DG shot 4-17 delivering a disappointing 11 points, and couldn't get passed a 38 year old 6'10 center in his 17th season in a close out game. I'll take my chances with whomever else Koby can get to replace that...

@vism2812

14 күн бұрын

dg also dropped 30 the game before, made the game winning play in game 5 vs orlando and dropped 10 points in the fourth quarter of game 7. carried in their only win against new york. there was a lot more bad than good for him this season, but this is the first time thats happened. every year he was steadily getting more confident and efficient before the jaw injury that made him lose 12 pounds. we cant just pick and choose which performances define him, but if we’re going to, there’s 10 amazingly impactful games for every stinker he’s had the last 3 years. patience is going to be required. we’re gonna have to stomach an offseason of rumours and look back on lackluster performances from him this year. but this is exactly what jarrett allen went through last year. and he responded with his most complete season and a dominant showing in the playoffs

@FloydPhillipsII

14 күн бұрын

@@vism2812 Mitchell is an upgrade in everyone's book. Move DG, we don't need a small guard that expensive...

@vism2812

14 күн бұрын

@@FloydPhillipsII mitchell has been searching for a true pg to play with his whole career. from rubio to conley to dg, his best years were next to a primary playmaker that allowed him to focus on scoring. its great to see mitchell elevate his playmaking to this level, but he wont be maximized unless he has a guy like dg to alleviate defensive pressure, give him plays off to rest, and to takeover when he’s cold. reality is these two seasons in cleveland have been mitchells most efficient and prolific, despite playing heavy minutes with garland. this was a weird year for garland and even mitchell himself post all star, but there’s a lot of good to build off from their two seasons together, especially the first one, which saw them be two of the most efficient shooters in the league, off the dribble and off the catch.

@FloydPhillipsII

14 күн бұрын

@@vism2812 I can tell you don't watch Cavs games. Donovan Mitchell is a pg now, there's no other way to say it... He doesn't need a primary ball handler, he is the primary ball handler going forward. He just needs one big and 3 knockdown shooters. That's the formula...

@vism2812

14 күн бұрын

@@FloydPhillipsII thats the formula that got the jazz knocked out early every playoffs. if thats all mitchell needed to win, they would’ve figured it out in utah. but when push came to shove, every playoffs he was getting swarmed by the best defenders and coverages teams had, praying for someone else to create quality looks for themselves. being a knockdown shooter isnt enough in the playoffs, teams will run you off the line and at least 1 guy that isnt your best player needs to be able attack once donovan is forced to give the ball up. jazz tried going 4 out with mitchell and gobert. it had a second round ceiling every time. by the end they were scouring for an all star level creator to pair mitchell with and couldnt make it happen. cavs already have. darius will prove his value if cleveland sticks with the pairing

I think the best advice I’ve gotten is from Brian Windhorst “No one knows except Donovan Mitchell”… they’re reports left and right about him staying or going I think the best thing we can do is just wait and have a plan A and plan B. We are clearly at a crossroads with the core 4 and this offseason we will say good bye to atleast 1 if not 2 of them I love everything all 4 have given to this team and they are all really good players they just don’t fit together and that’s fine. The biggest thing I know at this point is anyone acting like it’s a sure thing one way or the other is not reputable… sometimes in life you just have to wait and see. The only thing I am positive about is we will find out the day he is eligible for an extension. If he signs it he will be here if he doesn’t he will get traded end of story. Until then just relax and enjoy your life!

This video tells the story that I think most people don't know. Great video , I liked and subscribed.

We’re used to it, man. Bron played here over a decade collectively and apparently “he wanted to leave for New York… and, yeah, he left for MIA, but he jetted from there. And something tells me he won’t be in L.A. MUCH longer

Garland needs to be able to run an offense. Dude is still a star, but he has struggled next to Mitchell. Mikhal Bridges or Brandon Ingram would both be fine gets in exchange for Garland if he has to go. Allen should not even be considered for a trade. Mobley is NOT a full time 5. Mobley has spent the whole year focusing on outside shooting, ball handing, and his face up game. He is a tall power forward who CAN play center. Never NEVER believe rumors about internal strife that suddenly pop up AFTER a season. Its always BS. Always. JB is a good coach. If a guy like Ty Lou becomes available, then go for it, but Stotts and Bud are lateral changes AT BEST.

@jarren32

14 күн бұрын

Are you the only sane person in Cavs KZread comments?

@dearmas9068

14 күн бұрын

@@jarren32 sometimes it sure feels that way, lol. Good to know there's at least 1 more out there.

@TalkinnGrubbinMedia

14 күн бұрын

Bud was hired by the Suns.

@dearmas9068

14 күн бұрын

@@TalkinnGrubbinMedia some people wanted him though. Those people were mistaken.

@marmak256

14 күн бұрын

I would rather take Trey Murphy lll than Brandon Ingram.

Three letters: CPJ CPJ will be a star. He makes DG super expendable. If I’m getting rid of a core team member, it is DG. If we package DG and Caris for a 3 pt shooting athlete that can guard multiple positions, the Cavs will be UNLOCKED next season, especially if they play fast/fire JB.

Koby is a genius. He gave Garland a $40m contract annually that Cavs fans know he didn't deserve (this season). HOWEVER, now that Cavs may need to trade him, imagine how much value we can get in return. Top tier strategy to get a boatload of assets for a currently slumping player...

@giotorres8669

14 күн бұрын

WRONG

@FloydPhillipsII

14 күн бұрын

@@giotorres8669 Prove me wrong...

@XBeat.

14 күн бұрын

@FloydPhillipsII I believe that koby and JB saw in Garland what we all did. This year 'sbeen shit I know. But theses past 4 years... I still trust this core, but id put some Cm and Kgs on the roster. Love from Spain

I'm intrigued with the possibility of Lauri Markkanen returning.....you're spot on about Donovan @ PG Garland is expendable but you won't get equal trade value

@johnbontea1353

14 күн бұрын

How do we get markkanen back ?

I want to keep J.A. He is underrated. Not many guys, ever, can average close to 18ppg on 62+% shooting while being able to switch 1-5 and giving ELITE rim protection. He also shows signs of being able to spread the floor. If we get rid of Allen, it better be for another all-star level player.

I just want to let this off-season run its course without the sensationalist headlines and all that. But of course we won’t get that 😂

@itscavalierpodcast1410

14 күн бұрын

Right!

There is absolutely no way the cavs can allow Mitchell to go into next season without signing an extension. That is not a possibility and it can't happen, period. He either signs the extension this offseason, or he must be traded. He's either all in or he's out, simple as that. If he doesn't wanna commit to the cavs beyond next season then they have to maximize his value via trade.

Klutch made it clear that he wants out if Mitchell signs long term. He is either the starting pg or he is gone. They are not complimentary. Altman acquires talent and then has to decide between them. One will be gone like it or not. You cannot trade as much as they did for Mitchell ,and expect that same gm to side with retaining DG over Mitchell either. Given they made that trade after they had already commited to Garland, before he ever proved worthy of it, also shows negligence. You cannot buld a team like that unless you are willing to cut loose of good players like DG when they don't fit.

Positional size and length does matter! The problem is that Koby doesn't understand that. That's why he loves to draft undersized players Sexton, Okoro, Agbaji....all small lottery picks at their positions plus they are all tweeners. Don't trust Koby moving forward!

Honestly if we aren’t patient enough to develop this team, we deserve a rebuild and another half decade of suck.

We could be in worse places than having Donovan Mitchell for another year if we want him and a feeling that if we stayed healthy, we could at least feasibly get to the finals. Max as our two guard makes more sense than seeing DG get bull dozed in the physical playoffs. Kuzma would be a nice return IMO

JB obsessions with running a 1-5 pnr with JA. If Allen had been available when Mitchell was out DG in the last two games, it would have made DG more effective obviously. It also would have made Mitchell more effective before that. He needs Allen I guess is what I am suggesting. Mobley for as good as he may become offensively, is not Allen yet.

We will probably stay still until the draft but Mobley is probably the only untouchable if I’m the GM. I trust CPJ, Travers, and even emoni enough to be willing to trade our bench for another starter like a Brandon Ingram or Lauri

garland is a 24 year old all star that never felt like himself after the jaw injury. giving up on him now will result in the cavs kicking themselves as he goes on to become an all time great shooter and playmaker. he had his best season next to donovan mitchell. donovan mitchell had his best season next to dg. the fit wasnt the issue this year. when dg is 26,27,28 and dominating, no one will care about this one year where he never fully felt comfortable. i’ve seen this too many times to give up on a player. kyrie, steph, de’aaron fox, jamal murray. so many rumours about their teams moving on or their potential being wasted. just for them to be on top of the world again a year or two later.

They are forced to trade DG now coming off his worst season, as long as the Mitchell decision dictates the outcomes. The only selling point to excuse away DG's poor play is injuries and previous success without DOnovan.. DG only gets them value back on the basis it is a bad fit. If they come back healthy and it still does not work, even under a new coach. DG gets you even less if you can trade his contract at all. What happens if DG continues to play bad next season? Then you have to trade Mitchell to find someone to play with DG. Mitchell would only have a couple landing spots with good odds to get him to stay wherever he is traded. They will have gave up all that value for a rental that couldn't win more than 6 playoff games for them I think they kind of have to start over with a new GM and less JB Then there is the front court

I get DG had issues but that’s part of the problem. He can’t stay healthy. As I mentioned on X prior to the playoffs, DG should have just shut it down for the season because playing it out didn’t help his stock.

If DM doesn't sign this summer you MUST trade him!

The size of the backcourt alone won’t get them any further than where they are now. I like them both as players but they won’t win it all with smaller guards who play OK defense (Mitchell) and poor defense (Garland). They need to keep Allen because the defense that he provides. Personally I wouldn’t mind them trading Mitchell for a good player and multiple firsts. I’m just not sold on him being a 50 per player with him being 6’2” relying on athleticism with bad legs and being 28 in a few months.

Some of the reports may have an ounce of truth - but likely blown out of proportion - if any group or family have people watching them all the time - you could find little arguments or disagreements and make them sound dysfunctional

@itscavalierpodcast1410

14 күн бұрын

A very good point Tom. Already tired of hearing it.

I think that Mitchell wants to stay, but i believe that he just wants some changes.

@mspeedm5849

11 күн бұрын

Thats what Jazz fans thought until he left. No way of knowing anything for sure

If DM signs... ove DG....Don't be in a hurry to move JA....right away...you need that size upfront and you need depth! Just loo0k at all of the players that get hurt during the season and in the playoffs. The winner is the healthiest!

If Garland wants his own team, let him go. I believe we can get far more than he was giving us in return for his contract... Stop fighting it, let him go!

GARLAND NOT GOING NO WHERE

@mspeedm5849

14 күн бұрын

Rich Paul disagrees

@AndrewPolander

14 күн бұрын

@@mspeedm5849 Rich Paul wants to get Richer!

C P J

Fire JB before we move Allen

@mspeedm5849

14 күн бұрын

teammates were mad Allen would not get a cortisone shot or whatever. He should not be traded yet, until some of the smoke clears from what happens with the back court. However if they have to make the choice, Mobley is staying.

Garland can take his 1 million dribbles somewhere else....will never work in the Playoffs 😂😂😂

Darius garland is underweight still and it affected his game. National media wants donovan to leave so they will always throw dirt on us

Koby has to go way more than JB does but people aren't ready for that discussion yet

@OliGrant-sw8by

14 күн бұрын

The Kyrie botched trade where he took bad hip, bad attitude 4 foot 9 Isaiah Thomas, malcontent moping Jae Crowder, and a Ukrainian Center and a #8 pick instead of just taking the pick and Jaylen Brown, replacing Love for chronically injured Wade, drafting old as hell chronically injured Windler, non shooting #5 pick in the draft Okoro, letting NIANG go to Golden Corral everyday, Kevin Porter Jr head case, not giving Bates, Porter or Merrill more of a shot, overpaying Strus, letting coaches chill on fully developing Evan…yeah Koby has gotta go!

@dearmas9068

14 күн бұрын

Lol... these casual fan takes...

@XBeat.

14 күн бұрын

​@@dearmas9068not even a single one that was casual. Those are facts my brother. I still trust this core thou

@dearmas9068

14 күн бұрын

@@XBeat. yes they were. Koby is great, and JB is a very good coach. Stop being so easily fooled by all these absurd narratives

James is coming back to the cavs

@mspeedm5849

14 күн бұрын

He will buy the franchise then?

I’m calling it here: IF DG is the main ball handler next season, no matter the team, he will be a 50, 40, 90 guy and average 20+ppg and 10+apg

@mspeedm5849

14 күн бұрын

So what, they cannot play together. They made their bed now they have to pick one of them. Problem is DG has bad trade value on that deal, looking awful without Mitchell to end the playoff run. Outside of Cavs fans, few are going to see a max player in Garland at this point, no matter how good we know he was. The Cavs would have a much better chance of getting value trading Donovan and might have to as a result of DG playing so bad. They brought this on themselves.

You don’t want to admit that they are not good at all.. like now DGarland and others in the team. You already suffering bks he have to go somewhere else with his dribble,dribble,dribble and turnovers.. Lol lol 😂🤣!

Ohhh.. you always fall in love with Cavs players then you don’t want to admit that they are not good at all.. like now DGarland. You already suffering bks he have to go somewhere else with his dribble,dribble,dribble and turnovers.. Lol lol 😂🤣!

@itscavalierpodcast1410

14 күн бұрын

Part of being a fan my guy. Darius Garland doesn’t fall into the category of “not good at all” if you believe that, there isn’t really anything for you and I to converse about. That said, he had a pretty rough season. I’m okay if we have to move on of it benefits the team.

@AndrewPolander

14 күн бұрын

@@itscavalierpodcast1410 The biggest problem with DG unfortunately is that contract...can't afford to keep all of the core 4 moving forward!

There’s no need to fire a coach we just need to go all in and stop making weak moves we have the proper foundation this year coulda been so much better with just a little aggression even a Kyle Lowry pick up would have changed things Christin wood was available coulda been a great piece I seen so many players that could have fit with us and would have gotten plenty playing time and we coulda been unstoppable stop wasting years