Trans girl who was raised mormon here. These people are, like, stock-standard. They’re B-tier at best. The rabbit hole goes wayyy deeper, trust me

@rascal_rae

2 жыл бұрын

agreed

@sothisisbasicallyhow4696

2 жыл бұрын

@mansexman the magic underwear is merely the tip of the iceberg

@elliefuller3667

2 жыл бұрын

For sure. My family are all Mormons, so alt-right that EVERY single one is either vocally supportive of QAnon or believe in some of the conspiracies. I cut them off for a reason.

@Void84276

2 жыл бұрын

@mansexman For a long time the church's "teachings" said that those without white skin were cursed.

@andreadamon2197

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a trans girl who was raised Mormon too. I had a lot of baggage to unpack before I could finally embrace myself. I’m glad you were able to do that as well😊

I love how chat thinks Hasan is joking when he says mormons get their own planet when they die. He's not, this is actually something I was taught about.

@eleruces7722

2 жыл бұрын

get their own planet, native Americans were the real Jews, black people are descendants of Cain, Satan controls the water, nom-mormons don't actually love each other and are not happy. tell me if I got any wrong, I used to watch a creator who was an "apostate" but stop watching him when stuff came out about him being a bit creepy

@YukiiSahashi

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. They like to say the planet thing is not taught anymore, but it still very much is.

@sufficientinside336

2 жыл бұрын

Nope Mormon MEN get their own planet.

@lilelo208

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah as a kid I wasn't about it, a lot of the things they talk about contradict with each other. I'm sorry you had to go through that, my family wasn't religious. I was curious and they would help me find a church. That's when I found just being in nature and cleaning up plastic was enough.

@isabelwatkins9354

2 жыл бұрын

Not only that, but eventually we will become our own gods.

It will never not blow my mind when people are just like “that’s just how it is 🙂” and never question anything ever

@notusingmyrealnamegoogle6232

2 жыл бұрын

Religion is like that

@vermilion6966

2 жыл бұрын

religion is one hell of a drug

@ilanlopez9826

Жыл бұрын

in my experience it's a cop out because they believe in it but don't have the spine to say it out loud

@suzandefneklc8167

Жыл бұрын

That’s the result of indoctrination and brainwashing from a young age. Fear of hell and parents are another factor.

@thedigitalrealm7155

Жыл бұрын

Must be so much easier....

If being gay really was a choice, wouldn't that make everyone bisexual or pansexual by default. Because in order for a sexual preference to be a choice, they suggest that everyone can make that choice at any time, regardless of how they were born.

@manigje1

2 жыл бұрын

I'm straight and if it was a choice. I would've been pan for the bigger dating pool for a neurodivergent person it would have been easier for me to find someone who gets me. But I'm only attracted to men.

@lewisballin4549

2 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine also hoped to be bisexuell, but for him it was just for having more opportunities to have sex.

@deadn3t

2 жыл бұрын

@Polak a lot of animals we’re most closely related partake in same sex stuff. like i’m not sure you realize how little we have in common with a lot of those 8.7 million. not to mention being gay has always been a thing, and it’s also something colonization dwindled down.

@deadn3t

2 жыл бұрын

@Polak bro ancient Greece was so gay what do you mean? rome had a transgender emperor, the ottoman empire had normalized gay relationships and trans people. also i was saying the animals we’re most closely related to practice homosexuality. you know what’s something no animal practices? homophobia.

@deadn3t

2 жыл бұрын

@Polak it was literally my first response with a source, if you don’t read sources and listen historians not sure you care at all about facts. only to ignorantly justify your beliefs.

None of these things surprise me. Have since left the church, even after goin on a mission. Wild that you could be kicked out of the school for the smallest reasons. One of my friends was kicked out for wearing shorts too short in their dorm and another for drinking HERBAL TEA

@quinnquitars

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Recently left the church. Where did u serve?

@Rydoge7

2 жыл бұрын

@@quinnquitars LA (Arcadia mission)

@aivlysplath

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I left as a teenager. Can’t believe my mother is gullible enough to fall for the bull shit that so called church pedals. 😂

@Melisa-cj3zj

2 жыл бұрын

What’s wrong with the herbal tea

@Caleo996

2 жыл бұрын

Herbal tea is notoriously fruity 🏳️‍🌈🫡

The fact that Hasan knows the bar is that low. Dating for me has almost become just asking " do you believe in human rights?" Especially as a woman, I cannot date someone who doesn't believe I deserve rights.

@mickeybat5816

2 жыл бұрын

What do you think us left handed people had to deal with? All people ever did was try to take away our lefts, we got nothing but rights now in this world. Kk enjoy my shitty pun

@danielandree3947

2 жыл бұрын

Of course you deserve rights…. The right to make me a sandwich, the right to clean the laundry and the household, the right to blow me etc….. don’t ever let anyone tell you you don’t have rights or that they don’t matter! As a human flashlight/personal chef, you absolutely have rights and should live up to them every day diligently!!! (Obviously joking btw before you or anyone else wants to take that seriously and freak out)

@LordLambertius

2 жыл бұрын

Not a good joke bro

@adamconover8950

2 жыл бұрын

the abysmal depths that your standards start with is all anyone needs to know about the patriarchy

@av1564

2 жыл бұрын

Better call saul , because he sure do believe you have rights

"I just do what the leaders say" Oh yeah, that sounds like a free thinker and not an idiot.

I had a Mormon friend in high school who compared homosexuality to cigarettes, saying they're both equally sinful.

@sovietcranberry

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm addicted to that bussy, dog, that's why God finna put me in the forever dark box. Sadge as hell yo. Seriously, I'm sorry your friend said that.

@beepyou34

2 жыл бұрын

@@sovietcranberry he's actually pretty left now but that was cringe

@masonhyde9411

2 жыл бұрын

@@sovietcranberry omg xD

@g0stn0te

2 жыл бұрын

he's definitely boofed a cigarette

@bobbybokchoy1095

2 жыл бұрын

Not saying these are my beliefs, but this is a common misconception. In ALL Christianity, it is very clear in the bible that all sins are equal.

I dated a Mormon girl and she introduced me to her cult and I felt like an imposter the whole time and I just managed just to make her happy but man. They are the most two-faced, racist homophobic hypocrites I've ever come across. They are all brainwashed to a point where the most I could do with my gf is quick pecks because anything more makes her feel guilty and she will break down crying. I can't believe I made it up to 3 months lmao. It was easier to leave than trying to break her free, she was born into it so yea...

@qjtvaddict

Жыл бұрын

Don’t poke crazy

@chalkandcheese1868

Жыл бұрын

Well at least she's not making up a story about dating a Mormon girl.

@lavellelee5734

Жыл бұрын

why didn't you slide sooner?

@Anitamustdie

Жыл бұрын

I was raised catholic. My bf and I lost our virginity to each other and he didn’t understand why I was freaking out. I’m not religious but I guess the trauma and guilt. I knew what I wanted but in the back of my mind there was this shame. However, now I don’t give a fuck

@Random-sk6hm

Ай бұрын

FR they're insane

Wow I feel like this video was personally tailored for me. I’m a black man born & raised in salt lake city ut and did NOT grow up mormon, but being surrounded by them for a period of my life, I definitely felt like a zoo animal. At least in salt lake there’s SOME diversity but black people literally make up 1% of the population here

@elliefuller3667

2 жыл бұрын

I was raised in Utah as a white Mormon, the first time I saw a black person I was literally taken aback. I knew that black people/POC existed, but seeing one was strange, especially after hearing the way my parents talked about POC. It is such a bubble that you almost can’t help viewing black people/POC as aliens. Utah sucks, that’s basically the moral of the story.

@anticapitalistamphibian8309

2 жыл бұрын

"Can I touch your hair" vibes

@eleruces7722

2 жыл бұрын

Well wasn't it only in the past few decades where they made it possible for you to be mormon if you were black. I'm sure there was some rule that was just outright "no black people in the church"

@patternrecon5271

2 жыл бұрын

Move to Chicago or Detroit

@GAMINGSAVESLIVESMAYBE

2 жыл бұрын

We need to link

One of my ex's is an ex-Mormon. His mom is a lesbian and had three kids, but was able to leave her husband and live her lesbian life with a loving gf after her husband fell for a honeypot scheme by cops and was arrested for soliciting sex from a minor and intent to engage in sexual activities with a minor lol

@budomk9299

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad the Mom has left. Good for her

@solala1312

Жыл бұрын

oh brother, that is wild.

@thesexybrownman

Жыл бұрын

That’s so fucked that the only way his mom could get out of her marriage was because her husband was a pedophile

@dennismetzger9287

Жыл бұрын

Well that escalated quickly

People will say "I don't support gay marriage" and not realize that they're homophobic. It's wild

@KnuttyEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

1. I don’t support gay marriage 2. I’m not homophobic Please demonstrate the logical contradiction, because it seems pretty coherent to me.

@CREEPYCREEPER70

2 жыл бұрын

@@KnuttyEntertainment there isn't any reason to be against gay marriage unless you think it's unnatural. That is homophobic

@KnuttyEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

@@CREEPYCREEPER70 I can think of many other reasons one one be against gay marriage. For one you could say it’s a contradiction in terms. Historically, marriage has been defined as a binding relationship between a man and woman for the sake of creating a new family. Saying two men are married would be like saying there is a married bachelor or square circle. A homosexual couple also can’t create children, which is historically the purpose of marriage, and so they’re automatically ineligible on those grounds as well. And let’s say you do believe homosexual relationships are unnatural. If they are, would it be homophobic to state that fact as your reason? Would it be racist to say Asians are shorter on average? Nothing personal, it’s just a fact. And if it is not unnatural (and I don’t see how you would argue it is without changing definitions), but you genuinely believe that it is, then it’s still not homophobic. It’s nothing personal, it’s just a fact (whether or not you’re mistaken on the facts is irrelevant to the motive.)

@CREEPYCREEPER70

2 жыл бұрын

@@KnuttyEntertainment Terms and purposes change over time and there's nothing wrong with that. Regarding child bearing, it would mean that infertile people wouldn't be able to get married. However, you have no issue with infertile people marrying so your main issue is same sex marriage. Again, meanings change. For example, marriage was once used primarily to unify families and had very little to do with love, with love-marriages being a work of fiction. In contrast, now marriage is used to signify love. Under this definition, same-sex marriage is valid. Also, I didn't imply that same-sex marriage was unnatural, I was saying that people usually use that as a racist talking point. If this confused you let me be more clear, the reason you are against same-sex marriage is because you're homophobic. You are aware that being homophobic is a negative trait and so you use ridiculous and flimsy reasons to rationalize your homophobia.

@KnuttyEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

@@CREEPYCREEPER70 I’m not even sure how you define homophobia, much less why it would be a negative trait. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of etymology can see the flaws with the term. (Literally means fear of uniformity) If by homophobia you mean unjust discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, I don’t think it’s a very strong case, and why it would be worse than any form of unjust discrimination. And if you include justified discrimination as homophobic, then I don’t think it’s inherently wrong. I justifiably discriminate against murderers when it comes to gun rights. And marriage isn’t even a right, it’s a cultural/religious ritual. On your point about infertile people, people don’t typically know they’re infertile before they’re married (especially back in the day). You also make the very good point that marriage was for uniting and forming families, and not the result of romance, all the more reason why one might be against same sex marriages. They’re not for romance, so why the insistence on marrying to show your attraction, versus a secular domestic partnership? This does not even go into all the religious components of marriage, which has been intertwined with marriage for all human history. Now I wasn’t under the impression that you thought same sex marriage was unnatural, quite the opposite. My point is that whether or not it is unnatural is irrelevant to whether someone is homophobic, and that if it is unnatural that would be rational grounds to oppose the practice.

When people are asked with a really simple question that is essentially just: "Are you homophobic?," and then starts the answer with "Well," you might as well just admit you're homophobic. Like drop the act, you aren't fooling anyone, we can tell you're a bigot who KNOWS it's wrong, but choose to be so anyway. Just admit it instead of playing that childish innocent "Well, I agree with both sides sometimes! Just playing devil's advocate!"

@cimex7492

2 жыл бұрын

"I just dislike the lifestyle"

@charlescox86

2 жыл бұрын

We also need to stop being so precious with religion, especially one like Mormonism that can be consclusively proven to be false. Like archaeology and EVERY discipline of academia relevant to the claims of the LDS church can PROVE its false.

@metalacop

2 жыл бұрын

An easy question like "What is a woman?"

@Skullgar

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's a bit more complicated than a lot of people realize. I'd bet plenty of them have doubts and uncertainties about their beliefs and shouldn't be encouraged to "just be homophobic". I also think that some students want to avoid any issues with their schooling and would rather give a vague or "agreeable" with the elders sort of opinion as to avoid hampering their school experience or being ostracized by their community. Sometimes it's better to be quiet about your opinions when giving them can only serve to hurt you and improve nothing. Better to instead being active when and where it actually matters, like I'm sure some French partisans gave a Heil just an hour before giving Nazis hell.

@aspannas

2 жыл бұрын

@@metalacop ???

I love all the ex-Mormons coming out of the woodwork in the comments. Hope y’all are living happy, great lives.

@ames_elaine

2 жыл бұрын

its all nice & dandy then a flood of "i'm an ex mormon! x 40"

Ex-mo here. You have to understand the indoctrination that goes on for years and years starting as infants. It’s really tough to overcome...

@Glamerth

2 жыл бұрын

@@roystonmason9125 ??

you'd think they'd put 2+2 together and assume that since they're asking a mormon AT BYU the question, the answer to the slavery question wouldn't be Robert E Lee.

@HTeamYes

2 жыл бұрын

They probably hoped it was a double trick question where the seemingly obvious answer WOULD actually be the right one

@anticapitalistamphibian8309

2 жыл бұрын

BAHAHAHA

@Setherina

Жыл бұрын

That’s why that lady said judging from the context I assume Brigham young

@franknstein5376

Жыл бұрын

Let's be real, the correct answer is probably: c. Both of them

The word “lifestyle” used in a response to a question about lgbtq+ people, immediately triggers me as a mother of a 20 year old gay daughter. Almost guaranteed to be a religious person referencing their church “guidance”. Sure fire way to piss me off.

@mars_is_cooler

Жыл бұрын

I thought you said 20 gay daughters and I was like you have a whole army wow

@ultimately-sabrina

Жыл бұрын

@@mars_is_cooler 😂

@lemmon-up4er

Жыл бұрын

With ya mom

@Random-sk6hm

Ай бұрын

As a 23 year old gay guy I'm yet to learn what exactly the 'gay lifestyle' is and how I'm supposed to live it. I go to university and work part time. I eat food, shower, work out, and clean my apartment. Is this the gay lifestyle? Or is me just being gay a lifestyle? 💀

growing up mormon, this is pretty normal stuff to hear from them

@layo7573

2 жыл бұрын

gay is a choice

@TheHeadlets

2 жыл бұрын

@@layo7573 Who cares though

@Utnapiishtim

2 жыл бұрын

@@layo7573 we can see fortnite boy

@idkanymore6634

2 жыл бұрын

@@layo7573 you gotta be at least 21 years old to have an opinion, not with your fortnite pfp

@GustavRex

2 жыл бұрын

@@layo7573 If being gay is a choice, go out and fuck a guy right now and fucking love it. If you didn't love it, you're clearly not gay despite trying to be, ergo it's not a choice. If you do like it, you're clearly not as straight as you thought. You're welcome.

If being gay was a choice why don't gay people in countries like Saudi Arabia just choose to be straight?

@alexiskuwata

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@TheVincident.

2 жыл бұрын

Because gay is just more fun

@jericaneely949

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheVincident. Cause LGBT people love being bullied and ostracized by their families and friends and government, ya know, for funsies

@EB-du3vh

2 жыл бұрын

Because everyone is not born straight just like everyone is not born gay. Some people do choose

@Spongebrain97

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's funny how like gay people all the time come from religious fundamentalist households and as kids they're told being gay is bad. Logically if being gay were a choice wouldn't there be no gay kids then if they have conservative upbringings lol?

Love straight ppl forming such strong opinions about things they know absolutely nothing about and have never even come close to experiencing. The insanity of this shit will never be lost on me.

@Starwaveomg

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone has had a gay moment you just liked it and kept it going

@chalkandcheese1868

Жыл бұрын

And of course you never have an opinion on something you know nothing about.

@lordrichardson4447

Жыл бұрын

yes. how dare them have their own opinion on something.

@khodges72

Жыл бұрын

@@Starwaveomg I think that might just be you dude

@Hyperrcapsule

Жыл бұрын

Using your logic, non Jewish people can’t say the holocaust was bad.

I grew up Mormon as well and don’t find any of this at all surprising. There’s definitely a few wild takes Especially in Utah.

@elliefuller3667

2 жыл бұрын

Yup! Raised and lived in Utah for 22 years, to a extremist Mormon family. Bizarre hearing them talk about the world/the church after breaking free from the brainwashing and applying actual logic to life.

@pyagtargo1260

2 жыл бұрын

@Commander Russian Waifu lost the tank I see

@leonairm

2 жыл бұрын

Please wish me luck I’m an ex-member living in Provo and I fear for my sanity every day

@dylanwaters3146

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonairm fellow Utahn, if you can, get out of Utah county. Worst people I've ever had the displeasure of working with. Salt Lake, Weber, and even some parts of Davis are much more chill.

@jarrettath9636

2 жыл бұрын

I grew up Baptist. We were taught you guys were racist.

I’m so glad you found this channel. I grew up Mormon in Utah and this is seriously accurate.

@ishtarsdonut4489

2 жыл бұрын

Utah is so fucking beautiful but I don't think I could ever live there

11:43 Same life story, woah. Married for 21 years before my dad was outed. When he was 16 his bishop told him to ignore it, get married, and have kids.

@TheHockeyjock10

2 жыл бұрын

Literally the song “Turn it off” from *Book of Mormon*

@zjensen1022

Жыл бұрын

@M S If you’ve ever listened to the Mormon stories Podcast or other similar content, you’ll know that this is a very common thing for gay members. Many are told something along the lines of “Go on a mission, get married, have kids and fallow the commandments and god will take away you same-sex attraction” by their bishops.

How hard is it to understand that you can't choose who you love? Life would be so much easier if you could.

@russellward4624

2 жыл бұрын

I think the main issue is they conflate gay with sex. Like you can choose to not have sex, therefore you can choose not to be gay. The other issue is they believe God makes everyone the way they are and being gay is evil. So to admit it's not a choice is to admit God intentionally makes people gay to punish them which makes it very hard not to argue that God is immoral(the calvanists have no problem with it).

@XiaoYueMao

2 жыл бұрын

two words: political lesbians

@ShadowGun625

2 жыл бұрын

@@XiaoYueMao what??

@XiaoYueMao

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShadowGun625 some people for various reasons do legitimately choose to be gay, look it up. the people in this video werent trying to be rude when mentioning some people choose to be gay, they just didnt want to offend people like political lesbians

@deadn3t

2 жыл бұрын

@@XiaoYueMao isn’t that more like living as gay rather than being gay. gay is having sexual attraction towards the same sex. attraction = gay, no attraction ≠ gay

There is literally not a single "conservative" they doesn't desperately wish to be living the life they constantly condemn. Whatever they say they're against is what they're into every single time.

@DietersYT

2 жыл бұрын

Example?

@notbydesign3316

2 жыл бұрын

​@@DietersYT Grooming

@krispykreme

2 жыл бұрын

@@DietersYT when they say it's wrong to be gay, what they're really saying is they want to blow a random dude

@nogeagor2787

2 жыл бұрын

Another example, racism.

@erich1380

2 жыл бұрын

​@@notbydesign3316 what about the flash who just got caught for years of grooming of a 12 year old? pretty sure he's as far from a conservative as it gets. it's not a party thing man everyone does it

This made me realise how bad my religious university in australia could've been. Instead, we have an awesome lgbtqia+ society, an acceptance for all religions and cultures, and a heap more. I was scared it was going to be like when I found out about it, ngl

@69Satan69

2 жыл бұрын

Australia's an awesome country ngl

@qjtvaddict

Жыл бұрын

@@69Satan69 compared to the USA yes and that’s a low bar

The Family Proclamation sounds like a direct-to-streaming thriller.

@bagel0w

2 жыл бұрын

You’d be disappointed. it’s misogynist and homophobic and boring as hell.

@coldjam

2 жыл бұрын

@@bagel0w and transphobic too!

@ames_elaine

2 жыл бұрын

the family proclamation can kiss my ass, it's literally gender norms 101

my grandpa was a gay mormon and had 3 kids with my grandmother and came out after like 15+ years after getting married

@qamar1041

2 жыл бұрын

Thats horrible that he lied to his wife for so long. If you're gay don't marry the opposite sex, you'll hurt more than yourself.

@zking2929

2 жыл бұрын

@@qamar1041 I agree with that. It's still important to acknowledge people are pressured into marriage.

@madeleine.b8826

Жыл бұрын

@@qamar1041 i think he probably didn’t even know he was gay because the church told him he couldn’t be so he convinced himself he was straight. He could’ve been disowned or excommunicated from family. Still tragic for both parties and I’m glad he found himself

@soapercereal5914

Жыл бұрын

I read mormon as moron 💀

@monsterhunter445

Жыл бұрын

​@@qamar1041huh yeah dude because gay marriage was totally legal. Go say that to my grandpa who was also gay and was arranged to marry my grandma. You homophobic maroon

The reason a lot of LDS folks will claim states rights is because there's a teaching in the church that basically says the laws of your land are also god's laws... made me really confused as a kid growing up mormon which "laws" were real and which were things the church taught

@sovietcranberry

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, I believe the doctrine you refer to is d&c 134:6. Essentially, God will hold saints accountable for following civil and religious laws (with exepctions for infringement on religious liberty among other things). Little bit different than what you say, as they make a clear distinction between the two. Really confusing verse though, so I could understand why a kid would be befuddled by it.

@rascal_rae

2 жыл бұрын

@@sovietcranberry I mean, the whole "religion" is "befuddling"... it's just a glorified cult preaching nonsense with an iron grip on its followers. So happy to have escaped in the pursuit of truth and authenticity

@blue---monday

Жыл бұрын

weirdly enough islam also have that saying. something along the lines of "a muslim has to uphold and respect the laws of the land (of where she/he is)". growing up muslim i was always baffled like ???? so what happens when they contradict? 😂

I find Hasan's point at 3:50 really interesting, because I feel that evolutionary biology is indisputable, yet when we did a survey in my class at BYU, we found that only around 40% of students believed in evolutionary biology. By the end of the semester, that dynamic had almost completely flipped, and it was by teaching the students about church history, and the verbatim stance of the church on the matter that many were convinced to join scientific reality. So it is less that the school is teaching people information contrary to the Church's doctrine, and more that BYU is undoing the brain rot developed by these student's upbringing while allowing them to not forsake their beliefs.

I had an old roommate who was trying to get their life back together after getting expelled from BYU; they were date raped at a homecoming event and got kicked for “premarital sexual misconduct”. This was before the 2016 title IX changes BYU made to “better address sexual assault”. 🙄🙄🙄

@blue---monday

Жыл бұрын

how is your friend now? i hope shes doing alright

As someone raised mormon it’s important to remember regardless of “tolerant” members, in your interview to be able to go to the temple, (temple attendance required to get to heaven) you have to answer no when asked if you support anything that goes against the churches teachings. Even if they say they love gay people, or accept them in meetings with open arms, their nature is against their teachings, and by relation to temple attendance, you can’t make it into heaven as a gay/trans/queer person, or as someone who supports them

How is this even a question? Can you control who you are attracted to? Like can you just turn off physical attraction like a switch? No? Then it ain't a choice 😂

@SickBuckNaStY

2 жыл бұрын

Idk but the most charitable interpretation is if they are talking about someone who is bi maybe and then they can chose their partner I guess...

Utah is a very strange case though because it is very homogenous here and a lot of people even ex-Mormons are very weirdly fascinated by people of color here. It's real weird I'll just listen to my friends talk about this stuff and since it is again mostly homogenous people will say wild shit in front of people of color and be like "woops sorry". People here have a lot less of a filter. And what the church teaches them is to be super nice and kind to everyone. And a lot of the time for people whom are queer like me, or a person of color, they'll often time come across with an attitude of disdain and condescending pity. It's really weird here. The racism and homophobia here is literally different because of the churches presence. The way a lot of people go about it comes across way different than other forms of bigotry. At least from where I have lived.

@cryptbeast3222

2 жыл бұрын

That just sounds like a typical cult environment. Weirdly nice all the time (strongly reinforced) and typically very bigoted in an "innocent" way. Also very homogeneous, because outsiders typically aren't accepted much.

@iheartlreoy8134

2 жыл бұрын

So what you’re saying is if I go to Utah I’ll get orientalized and preferred by qt white girls with brown hair ?

@elliefuller3667

2 жыл бұрын

@@iheartlreoy8134 Probably not preferred, romanticized most likely. When it comes down to it, 99% of the white girls in Utah will only date white guys.

@jimmyostler8946

2 жыл бұрын

@@iheartlreoy8134 actually blonde girls with spray tans but close enough source: lived there and attended BYU for the last year

@patternrecon5271

2 жыл бұрын

Move to Chicago or Detroit

if being gay was a choice i'd be gayer

@user-tr8tt4qz9e

Жыл бұрын

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So glad i left that cult, it's so baffling to me that people can be so indoctrinated in that religion i spent decades in it and felt something was off the whole time what i realised was my emotions and my thoughts were being manipulated with guilt and feeling like i have to achieve perfection.

“Premarital sex? That’s a death sentence. Also I love slaves” ~ Probably some mormon leader idfk.

Dang king on a roll for videos today, thank you very much

My mom used to be Mormon but only for a few years when she was younger, and only really because she had crushes on the guys there 🤣 But some of her friends in the church were closeted gay men who wanted to come out (and eventually did) but still be accepted by their church. But my wonderful mom fully supported them when she would find out. Like didn’t bat an eyelash, would do anything to help them out and support them. 🥹 Now she’s not religious but she’s very spiritual and a fantastic ally because she doesn’t believe for a second that lgbtq people are strange or bad or should be punished for their identity or sexuality. And I adore that about her. ♥️

@Giraffe27

2 жыл бұрын

Lol your mom sounds awesome! I faked wanting to convert just bc the elders who came to my house were cute. Don’t judge me I was pretty down bad😔

@Kingbimmy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Giraffe27 I definitely can’t judge you, I’m the type to pull that kind of shit too 😂 Boy crazy didn’t even BEGIN to describe me when I was younger lmaooo

@Giraffe27

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kingbimmy oh noooooo city girls down 9000 but we live and learn 👯‍♀️

As an ex Mormon just to elaborate a little better in the planet situation, it’s not exactly just a single planet you get more so Mormons believe we come to earth in order to become like God. So when you die it’s not that you get your own planet but you become like God and have the ability to create planets and stuff if you really wanted to.

Omg it's such a simple question and everyone is stumbling through their explanation. "Ooo that's tough..." The only thing that's tough about this for you is admitting you're homophobic

I don't understand the people that truly believe "you chose to be gay". Why would anyone, in a world that hates them and sometimes even wants them to die, CHOSE that fight? Why would they chose the discrimination, the lack of rights, the threat to their lives. Who would ever chose that.

I like the way Hassan explained the planet thing after chat asking for clarification. I know he didn't mean it like this but it sounded like he was saying like it was common sense, like "come on everyone knows when you die you get your own planet. Have you not been listening to the elders?"

@erickmejia4602

2 жыл бұрын

Musical theater fans know you get your own planet after you die

@PartnershipsForYou

2 жыл бұрын

Are you saying the elders are liars? You heretic

@bro748

2 жыл бұрын

He's also wrong about 'the planet thing.' Ngl, Hasan's very misinformed about a lot of the specifics of what these people believe, though he has the more broad ideas roughly correct.

@saturationstation1446

2 жыл бұрын

thats kinda right. except you just rejoin the earth in some way. nothing you ever do will separate your physical connection to this planet. it literally formed your dna and it will break it back down into something else when you die. you just dont actually get to be in control of your consciousness when you go there and it becomes too spread out between other life forms to even be able to observe where its gone and what its doing.

@erickmejia4602

2 жыл бұрын

@@saturationstation1446 wtf

I was raised Utah mormon, and I think they tend to take the Bible less literally than most Christians. Evolution was never really questioned when I was growing up, and I've never met a mormon who is openly a young earther.

@buzzsawenthusiast1756

2 жыл бұрын

Another exmo here, its more family by family imo

@elliefuller3667

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely family by family. My Utah Mormon family is very extreme in their religion, they believe wholeheartedly that evolution is a demonic lie and Darwin is a servant of Satan.

@jonahblackham6375

2 жыл бұрын

Lol my seminary teacher straight up said science is wrong about the age of the earth. He said it so matter of factly too lol

It's so clear that a lot of these people have never actually had their beliefs questioned, always just nodded and went along with what they were told.

Nice to see more leftist ex-mormons in here. Shout out to you all. We did it.

"First of all, congratulations on the sex chatter" is still my favorite line lmao

grew up mormon and honestly every single one of these people seem infinitely more progressive than the people i went to church with

I like how people who've never been around lgbtq people think they know them.

What's funny is you hear a lot of people saying stuff like "being gay is a choice" or "these cartoons will turn kids queer" and yada, yada; but even if that were true, non of that matters if they can't prove it's a bad thing in the first place.

best question to ask to someone saying its a choice "when did you choose to be straight?"

Man I live in Utah, I am so lucky my parents are Atheists.

@elliefuller3667

2 жыл бұрын

What’s crazy is that these answers are incredibly laid back compared to some Mormons, especially in Utah. BYU students are generally more liberal with their beliefs, young Mormons usually are. You get into places like Ephraim, Brigham City, Logan, etc and talk to some of the older people there, middle aged and above…way worse.

As someone who is now ex Mormon I can’t believe I grew up being taught those things.

Question: do any of the high level Mormon planets have dragonballs on them and if so, can we gather those dragonballs and wish for Mormonism to never have existed?

So many of them just saying "If that's what the Leaders say..." its SCARY

Mormons in this video just seemed like the most polite homophobic people LUL.

@nati7728

2 жыл бұрын

Literally that is it. Be the most polite terrible person you can possibly be.

@elliefuller3667

2 жыл бұрын

Many Mormons are like this, I call it “diet homophobia.” There are a lot of extremists though, one of my coworkers when I was in high school thought it was a mental illness. Funniest part though, he was dating his cousin and thought being gay was bad but that was okay…

@HTeamYes

2 жыл бұрын

The Virgin "I'm not homophobic, but" vs The Chad "I'm homophobic, yes"

@zjensen1022

Жыл бұрын

@@elliefuller3667 wait, first cousin?

I had a bad first impression of you at first but you’re pretty chill

Can anyone out there choose to find someone attractive? Its never worked that way for me, I either do or I don't, never had someone talk me into finding someone attractive either. Anyone?

@tobythompson199x

2 жыл бұрын

That's one of my favorite arguments to make when dealing with someone who thinks it's a choice. Also the fact that I never had to be told that I was supposed to experience attraction, it happened completely on its own, which that fact alone proves that it's not a conscious decision.

I'm in just the beginning of the video and this is going to be a banger already I know. I have a few Mormon friends myself and man, the amount of hypocrisy is people is kinda insane. My best friend was barely Mormon for a period and then went back to the pretty religious end a bit ago. Nothing overtly screwed up but whenever I meet face to face with him again that is gonna be a tough project.

I used to hear these types of answers all the time back when I was Mormon

Whenever I think back to all the weird shit that Christianity put into my head as a child at least I can say I wasn't raised Mormon.

I couldn’t be more against organized religion. But I was a Mormon until I was about 10 years old. And it cracks me up that people repeat the idiocy about the planets lol. It’s just not real. Never once heard anything of the sorts in the decades I was around the Mormon religion. It’s such a clear example of how wrong we are about things we assume from rumors because I personally know it’s not true.

@ObsidianKnight90

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry you had to go through that. IMO, kids should be allowed to participate in religious rituals but never forced to. When I stopped wanting to go to church my parents were totally fine with it, and I really appreciated that. In terms of organized religion, I've got no problems with the church that uses its space as a kind of community center and shared space for events, but pretty much all other organized religion has serious issues.

@MrSlippy68

2 жыл бұрын

I was a Mormon until I was 24, served a mission, and graduated from BYU. The planets thing is true to an extent. It's just not taught in primary. As far as I know, the ability to create planets isn't specifically stated (though it might be, a lot of leaders have said wild things throughout the years), but it is doctrine that faithful sealed members can become like god. Joseph Smith famously stated that god was once like us and we are on a path of progression toward godhood as well. The reasoning is that since god has created at least one planet, faithful sealed members will be able to as well. This is a very widely held belief among members of the church. I heard it in seminary, sunday school, BYU, my mission, etc. What Hassan is wrong about though, is that people are stuck with their first spouse for eternity. This is only true if they are A) sealed in the temple, B) are both faithful enough (ie will repent of their sins at the latest in the spirit world), and C) don't get unsealed which is possible but requires approval from at least a stake president level. Maybe higher. Also, the chatter was wrong about Outer Darkness. Only people who commit the "unforgivable sin" of denying the holy ghost with a perfect knowledge of god's existence will go there.

@Someone-tried-to-hack-me

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSlippy68 that’s what I was thinking because wasn’t it part of Brigham Young’s cosmology? A lot of what he taught was discarded, but there were definitely Mormons who believed in the whole biological reproduction based cosmology and at least the possibility of being exalted to the point of becoming a God- otherwise how does the generations of gods keep on going?

It cracks me up that they’re asking these Mormons if gay people should be considered human or not, when the correct answer is “it’s none of my business to control what other people want to do” Religion has broken their brains that they think they’re entitled to decide over other people’s lives

Ex-mormon Johnny Harris is a pretty awesome Lib, so I'm hopeful for some of these Mormons.

"should humans have rights" "Oooh i dunno thats a toughie, come back to me later on"

I live in Utah and back in 2016 I was on my senior year of high school. All my teachers and most peers were Mormon. One day one of my teachers admitted to voting for Bernie Sanders and from that point on nobody in class liked him anymore. The students were straight up disrespectful one girl literally freaked out and walked out. Just cause he voted for Bernie

This makes me wanna head to Utah and see how many gay awakenings I can cause in a week

@ames_elaine

2 жыл бұрын

it makes my ex-mormon ass wanna move there in spite

I feel like everytime they go into the longform answer my reaction is "bruh I would rather you just tell me your homophobic" because I hate how their jumping around the question until finally their answer is essentially" no yeah I'm Homophobic"

"BYU is so unique" Not in a good way

AAAHHHH I LOVE THE MENECES!!!! Glad they are on the BYU campus! They give people who are there and who no longer believe in the church some hope :)

Not knowing and expressing such a response is perfectly fine

18:40 no literally thats how low the bar is. like that’s heartwarming 😭

Mormons are an interesting lot. I've had quite a few hitting me up on Scruff. Never did I ever think I would find myself as an gay educational outreach center for wayward confused Mormons on a dating app. Whatever helps bring people to reality I guess.

i was raised mormon, and a lot of the issues with the lds church can be answered just by doing research on the church, but church authorities go out of their way to cover it up. like there are "church history" classes at BYU and sunday school, but they mainly focus on joseph smith and deliberately avoid topics like emma smith's (joseph's wife) objections to polygamy or brigham young's violent racism. the black priesthood/temple ban, for instance, was not of god (whether you believe in god or not). it was purely brigham young's racism. there are historical records of him saying slavery was a "divine institution" and campaigning to make utah a slave state. almost 100 years later, then-president of the church ezra t. benson said in a general conference talk that the black civil rights movement was a "communist plot" to destroy america. the church teaches that its presidents are infallible "men of god," but history has proven otherwise. leaving all these byu students doing mental gymnastics to justify objectively cruel church teachings under the guise of divine authority.

The "it can be both" takes on whether you can choose to be gay are insane. Like what? do they really think people are like "I'm not gay but I'm gonna make myself gay, so I can be just like the natural gays"? The fuck?

“Ever since I got this haircut I can’t form memories” LMAAAOOO

A lot of them seem like this is the first time they have been asked their opinion on something.

These people have no original or critical thoughts. A lot of faith believers say atheists have no moral compass without God, but these people base their morals on the state or elders. They'll lack empathy the second they're told it's okay to.

as someone who was raised in the church, the Family Proclimation has always annoyed me, even before I started having a gender identity crisis. Its all, "Your duty as a woman is to have kids and nothing else.'' And then it says that "gender is a super important characteristic but only if you're cis and follow every gender norm ever." As a 'woman' in the church, saying I dont want to get married or have kids (with a man at least) I genuinely feel judged and hated by the leaders of the church.

We do need a soaking episode.

Went to a young earth creationist baptist school for jr high, Vehemently against the teaching of evolution but they DID teach adaptation. I remember in one class learning about this species of moth that adapted during the industrial revolution to better camouflage itself on soot covered walls. I ask "Isn't this evolution?" and got sent home.

"I just go with what the leaders say man I dunno." Well that's kinda scary.

That tiktok is genuinely the only time I’ve laughed at someone saying ‘periodt’

when i watched Real World New Orleans a long ass time ago, there was a BYU student named Julie who either got expelled or almost got expelled for having roommates who were boys (while in the RW house)

I grew up Mormon I wish I was there for this stream omg. I didn't go to BYU but when I was taking college biology at Utah Valley University, I had other Mormons tell me to just remember what I need to for the test and forget about it because it's not real. Also Black Menace recently got told by BYU police to stop recording on campus because they "don't have permission to"

@sovietcranberry

2 жыл бұрын

Yo, if I was still at BYU I would be super pissed at the campus. That is absolutely stupid.

I feel like if being gay were a choice there would be a lot more gay people.

@tobythompson199x

2 жыл бұрын

Idk about that. Idk if it would be very common that people would choose to be part of a group that's constantly being attacked just for existing by so many.

The guy at the end made me smile.

Him congratulating Mormon dude on the sex was so unexpected it sent me 😭😭💀

Actually all of your wives and all of your children are eternally trapped on your planet! My bishop grandfather buried my grandmother and his second wife in the same plot for this reason, and their names are in small font under his name. Great guy

@mini8964

2 жыл бұрын

So does that mean in mormon you're encouraged to have as many wives as possible?

@elliefuller3667

2 жыл бұрын

@@mini8964 They don’t practice polygamy anymore, but they still believe that there will be polygamy in heaven. All the men will have hordes of wives to pop out “spirit children” for them.

@squirrelgod598

2 жыл бұрын

@@mini8964 mainstream Mormons today will swear they want and have nothing to do with polygamy, but it’s ingrained in the churches teachings. Joseph smith and Brigham young both had more than fifty wives. Off grid fundamentalist Mormons still practice polygamy and are still big fans of child brides but mainstream Mormons are a bit more subtle

@kendallholland6842

2 жыл бұрын

@@mini8964 It’s kinda confusing honestly. The church doesn’t want people to be actually marrying multiple wives. You can only have one legal lawful wife… But in the temple where people are sealed and married into the temple, a man can be sealed to multiple women. (women can only be sealed to one man) So in the afterlife they have multiple wives just not this life. I guess that’s the best way i could explain it lol it’s wild

Anyone else notice Hassan always makes the opening statements about videos hes about to watch in question form ?

2 vids in one day? Is this normal I just started watching

As a queer ex-mormon with Tourette’s syndrome (swearing tics included) I can confidently say that there were things in the church that I’m glad I learned about, but there were too many things that made me incredibly uncomfortable! Absolutely loved the guy at the end!!

Wow. As a "mormon" (we call ourselves "Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints now") I had heard about the church not allowing black people to hold the highest level of priesthood. Only today, after doing research to find the sources these wonderful activists mentioned did I learn: 1. that extended to the entirety of the priesthood. 2. the ban lasted 100 years. 3. Brigham Young, a heroic figure in our church literature even today, was an avid racist and said that if the church ever let black people or asian people (cuz they have some degree of darker skin tone and thus mingled with "the negroes") that the church "must go to destruction." (Here is a link to the page. Scroll to the bottom then count 6 paragraphs up and you'll be able to read it there.I just read most of the document and he says some ludicrous things. Definitely not what MY god believes in. ) QUOTE: Let this Church which is called the kingdom of God on the earth; we will sommons the first presidency, the twelve, the high counsel, the Bishoprick, and all the elders of Isreal, suppose we summons them to apear here, and here declare that it is right to mingle our seed, with the black race of Cain, that they shall come in with with us and be pertakers with us of all the blessings God has given to us. On that very day, and hour we should do so, the preisthood is taken from this Church and kingdom and God leaves us to our fate. The moment we consent to mingle with the seed of Cain the Church must go to desstruction,-we should receive the curse which has been placed upon the seed of Cain, and never more be numbered with the children of Adam who are heirs to the preisthood untill that curse be removed. -www.mrm.org/topicsdocuments-speechesbrigham-youngs-1852-speech-slavery Now this all begs the question: If a prophet of this church which declares itself to be true, and this prophet was ordained and even today represented as one of the more impressive prophets and viewed as definitely what he said was true, then when that prophet says that allowing blacks and asains into the church would mean our church would lose its status with God and that the priesthood in the church would be stripped away, yet the same church over 100 years later said the priesthood for blacks is now okay, when was the church untrue. Because it was either untrue then or untrue now. BTW: For anyone wondering NO, this is not taught in the church. We are most certainly not taught thiss version of history of our church's origin, (the full one) just like we are mostly not taught unless someone brings it up that joseph smith had ~40 wives (more than one everyday of the week) and same with Brigham young and others who had multiples.

HASAN IS THE BEST STRAIGHT PERSON TO MAKE GAY JOKES GOD FUCKING DAMN THEY ARE SO FUNNY

They keep confusing "a choice" with "influenced by the environment"

@an_oracle

Жыл бұрын

YES EXACTLY, a nature vs nurture argument is not the same as a choice argument. We cannot control how our upbringing affects us, and if being gay was the same, it would still not be a choice

i just went to utah for the national parks a week ago and it was so surprising to see all the mormon things, like the beehive on all the signs and police cars which is a mormon symbol. i’m from the east coast so i had no idea that utah was pretty much all mormon haha, i had never met a mormon before. i was raised catholic though so i can’t really judge

I dated a girl who went to BYU and she seemed fairly based? We only went on two dates but she was pretty normal and we've continued to follow each other on social media for the last few years and she's always seemed progressive despite being heavily involved in BYU events. I had no idea BYU was like this lol

As an Atheist living in Australia. I am so happy that I live here...JEEESUS

I like the video of the guy down south asking people if they think its a choice. Then asking them when did you choose, they all said; I didn't choose. I just knew...

That last dude reminds me of my dad a little. My dad isn’t Mormon or anything, but if you saw him you’d probably assume Trump voter. But he’s a libby kinda centrist and like a little weird boomerish (he’s early gen X) but has surprisingly decent takes. Says abortion is up to the woman making the decision, made fun of Representative Tim Murphy (we’re in Pennsylvania) and called him a hypocrite when he resigned when he came out he tried to pressure his mistress into an abortion as a pro-life politician, and listens to Eminem but skips the domestic violence songs. I’m super glad he’s like that honestly because as a lesbian I feel safe around him and grateful for him.