So does he even make an argument or does he just shit talk?

@johnalbent

2 ай бұрын

I think you know he does 😉

@TheNiggler17

2 ай бұрын

No he’s just shit talking

Did the socialists devolve their sense of humour to the state?

@redwater4778

5 жыл бұрын

You thought the story about the round a bouts was funny ?

@cassidy99ful

5 жыл бұрын

@@redwater4778 Good Lord Thanks for proving His point. Laugh Clown Laugh.

@vojtasks

5 жыл бұрын

lmao

@kidluna

5 жыл бұрын

To accept the premise that conservatives are funny is nearly impossible.

@kidluna

5 жыл бұрын

@CaptainJayOT steven crowder had that ine joke.. And who else are the comedians on the right?

I kept wondering what Corbyn was scribbling. Then it struck me: "He is sketching out the design for a Gulag."

@MagnumOpusYT

4 жыл бұрын

Love it...

@ridinggambit5017

4 жыл бұрын

Just brilliant.

@forgivemenot1

4 жыл бұрын

I thought he was just taking down names of who to send there.

@patrickmarquez9706

4 жыл бұрын

No he isn't, he is making a list "Hmmm 1. John Redwood. He hurt my feelins."

@forlorndream1400

3 жыл бұрын

He already has the design, he's adding names to the list.

Corbyn had a venomous expression as he added Redwood's name to The List.

@snowflakemelter1172

5 жыл бұрын

A list no one will ever see.

@rappers5719

4 жыл бұрын

Wasn't that a beautiful look of distain, knowing he had been banged to right.

@namesake-mx9nl

4 жыл бұрын

hell that's what i was thinking , he put redwoods name at the top of the list , in big letters , underlined in red !

Noticed a giant difference between the socialists and capitalists. The socialists can hardly look at the person with the opposing view while the capitalists rather enjoy it. Pretty telling

@snowflakemelter1172

5 жыл бұрын

Always miserable, scruffy, angry, bores, life's failures and bitter old men who when offered a peerage or union money immediately sell out their principles.

@blue_ranger

5 жыл бұрын

He has to maintain the image of scruffiness, I would say his followers would be shocked to realise his actual income and net worth, but they would still make excuses for that millionaire.

@RoadRunnerLaser

4 жыл бұрын

Jonny B Goode - Yes. There is a word for people who are intolerant of others with differing beliefs or viewpoints, and whilst the lunatic-left are so eager to throw around the word "racist", I am certainly not shy about pointing out in no uncertain terms that they absolutely are, by definition, bigots and that in general, their name-calling is nothing more than psychological projection.

@joshtucker231

7 ай бұрын

The socialists arguments criticized THE SYSTEM, this guys argument criticized the socialists. Out of every one of of these videos, Id argue this one is by far the worst. He brings nothing new or interesting to the table, and instead says silly things like "socialists do not follow the dress code". His whole argument is based around the fact that the socialists are stupid. Would you be wearing a big toothy grin if you where in their shoes?

@johnalbent

2 ай бұрын

It's their superior self-righteousness

If only he had toppled Major perhaps we'd be a free-er country

I wonder if John Redwood resents the fact that he has to turn left at a roundabout.

@animesis

7 жыл бұрын

Sticking with his analogy, freedom requires some constraints to function. As Aristotle said, politics function best when you keep in the middle ground and avoid the extremes, the UK is socialist and capitalist, meaning we have free healthcare, but also the ability to be greedy and get rich benefiting the nation.

@jonnybgoode7742

5 жыл бұрын

@@animesis that's also why everything is so stagnant. Your healthcare isnt free. Nobody on this planet has free healthcare.

@cspike9061

5 жыл бұрын

@@animesis Every day I watch UK parliament videos, and in every one of them MPs complain about long queues and avoidable deaths in the NHS system.

@TheAtticusFinch

5 жыл бұрын

This comment is why KZread exists

@cspike9061

5 жыл бұрын

@Mark Sesum thanks for that completely idiotic comment. why would you even take the time to write that? smh

I will never understand why a person who knows anything about history would actually prefer socialism to free market.

@taravanova

4 жыл бұрын

Speaking of not knowing anything... Socialism and free markets are not mutually exclusive. The difference between socialism and capitalism is common vs private ownership of the means of production. You could, for example, have an economy of co-ops interacting in a free market. And as a point of history. Probably the best example of a laissez-faire capitalist economy would be Britain during the industrial revolution. At this time 86% of the work force were children working 16hr days with no days off. They were routinely beaten, malnourished, and the life expectancy for factory workers was 19 yrs old. Thank socialists and unions for the half decent working conditions you now enjoy.

@rauminen4167

4 жыл бұрын

@@taravanova Yeah... "Oh, think about the children!" "You're a bad person if you support capitalism because of the children centuries ago!" "I will emotionally manipulate the shit out of you until you bend your fucking knee to me!" Great arguments. How about the children working to death in China right now? Today? How about the children in Venezuela who were eating their pet rabbits? Then they made "starvation" as an ILLEGAL cause of death for children to fix the statistics. See? Two can play this game, and I'm afraid you're quite under-equipped.

@itamaradio

4 жыл бұрын

@@taravanova Free market capitalism doesnt mean workers are not free to unionize and negotiate with management. The problem with socialism is the use of the government in order to compulsively force workers to unionize even if they prefer not to. The beating and abuse of children workers is a crime in of itself, so i don't think this is a problem that Socialism needs to fix.

@sullyschwartz2365

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy S Thank capitalists (Henry Ford for example) for your weekends and benefits at work.

@Aqsticgod

4 жыл бұрын

thats because they are taught a faux history to indoctrinate, and then they dont bother to learn because it sounds enticing and its like a drug, being in the moral high ground i mean.

Prune-faced Jeremy Corbyn is the very epitome of sour socialism.

@amoskowitz0103

5 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Corbyn is an embarrassment.

@Shainito

4 жыл бұрын

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@littlepete6849

4 жыл бұрын

THE LOOK ON STEPTOE CORBYNS FACE IS PRICELESS..FUCKIN CLASSIC!!

@FlexBeanbag

4 жыл бұрын

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@npet6842

4 жыл бұрын

He doesn't even have the good grace to laugh at a few remarks . And he still won't resign ! Says it all really ............... Seventies socialist throwback . Who the heck could tolerate this person ?

I love seeing the sulky faces on the Socialism Does Work panel when John Redwood is speaking. Priceless!

@bighands69

10 жыл бұрын

Harry Evans it is not ad hominem what so ever.

@Winnie689

10 жыл бұрын

Harry Evans Did you actually see the debate?

@bighands69

10 жыл бұрын

Winnie689 Why did you not.

@callumharvey2808

6 жыл бұрын

I think most would be rather sulky when they realised such a distasteful and arrogant man's job is to 'represent' British people

@johnharvey4448

5 жыл бұрын

His entire argument was not based on ad hominum attacks. The first 2/3rds was mostly to do with traffic lights etc.

“Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or good or joy worth having” - C.S. Lewis

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I got here after googling "highway code"

I'm a Romanian and I can confirm every word of what he said was true. You stood in line at the town store for chicken necks (a wonder when they got any) and you were lucky to get some. Bread was rationed but there was no national disaster to warrant any of that food shortage. My family managed to build a bigger house by making alcohol (palinca, traditional in Transylvania) and smuggle it in the region and our neighbor who had some party influence but was rather lazy threatened my father that he would raise his kids at our upper level of our house because the party could impose that on you. Your livestock could be confiscated if you had more than enough barely to survive, people had to steal crops from the state fields to survive (your land you had left was not enough to sustain a family). And so on, and so on, and to see "wise" people in capitalist countries arguing for socialism even now, it makes my blood boil for their arrogant stupidity.

@stevenschnepp576

4 жыл бұрын

Funny how I've never met an old Soviet who argues for communism, but plenty of people who've suffered under statist authoritarianism that argue and fight against it.

@sledgiefd9070

4 жыл бұрын

Felician Cadar thank you sir for sharing your stark reality, I hope you live the rest of your life in comfort having suffered under the Socialist Communist heal

@username5502

4 жыл бұрын

I’m so sorry that you had to live in a communist country, I can’t even begin to imagine the amount of starvation, poverty and suffering that people had to deal with.

@carmelopappalardo8477

4 жыл бұрын

To be successful meant you were an enemy of the state.....unless of course you were the state.

@rv706

3 жыл бұрын

But the smart people in capitalist countries are not arguing for an authoritarian communist dystopia: they're typically arguing for Scandinavian style social democracy.

I loved the look on Corbyn's face, just fantastic to see him so unhappy.

@herbiewalkermusic

Жыл бұрын

That’s pretty sad

Roasted the young men at the beginning.

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Look at Corbyn, he's like a child who been told there's no pudding.

@mateenabdul4593

3 жыл бұрын

Well he better get used to it because under socialism there is no pudding anyways... or the main course... or the starte- basically what I’m saying is that there is no food. BTW I’m very sorry if that was cringe I was trying to be funny.

@fluff6811

3 жыл бұрын

@@mateenabdul4593 It was funny, you have been approved :)

@mateenabdul4593

3 жыл бұрын

@@fluff6811 Imagine being called “The dark Lord Sauron” and being such a lad 😂

@fluff6811

3 жыл бұрын

@@mateenabdul4593 From my experience you can’t be a tyrannical dictator without a little charisma to trick the matches

@mateenabdul4593

3 жыл бұрын

@@fluff6811 *Hugo Chavez has entered the chat*

Capitalism is about "doing." Socialism is about "getting."

@fredthedrummer

5 жыл бұрын

no. the bosses of corporate companies don’t do anything but abuse workers rights to make profit. socialism is making sure everyone has enough to eat and live a healthy sustainable life and i fail to see why that is a problem.

@pjdelucala

5 жыл бұрын

@@fredthedrummer You are correct. There are many corporations outsourcing manufacturing jobs to take advantage of cheap labor. I am with you on that. We now have a President that is attempting to undo all that damage from the past 25 years. Inherently, capitalism produces and socialism doesn't. And socialists can be greedy too. They may want lots of things but be unwilling to produce and pay taxes. This happened in Greece. Greeks wanted to retire with full benefits in their 50's and they didn't want to pay taxes. The greed of socialists in Greece was their downfall. Guaranteed incomes and social benefits make people lazy and free access to those benefits makes people tend to over use them and abuse them. The government can also be greedy. I worked for the government in Yonkers and my agency didn't do any work. Literally. We faked it. We got paid for doing nothing. That city five years later went bankrupt. In a capitalist system social programs are fine. They can be afforded. I am a proponent of a single payer CATASTROPHIC health care program. Even in Scandinavia, the economic system is capitalism. But the middle class in Denmark is heavily taxed and the upper class is not. The middle class is the chief beneficiary of those programs. An economy needs to promote entrepreneurship and production. Then that society can afford social programs. That is fine. Capitalism is about doing but capitalists need to learn to be more spiritual and caring. Adam Smith wrote about it in his book "The Theory of Moral Sentiments" and Charles Dickens who was a critic of capitalism wrote about it in his famous story "A Christmas Carol." Ebenezer Scrooge became a more caring capitalist. Dickens did not promote socialism. So the idea is not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The baby is capitalism. :) Peter de Luca: Economist

@brigitteschultz1552

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredthedrummer Your thinking is toxic

@kofola9145

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredthedrummer Yeah, we want everyone to have enough to eat and live a healthy sustainable life. That is why we live in a free-market society and not Socialism. Because Socialism is the exact opposite. Starvation and misery. You know what? You have all those wonderful ideas. How about you start a company or a commune that provides them?

@leeuniverse

4 жыл бұрын

As Ben Shapiro has said.... "Capitalism is consensual sex, while Socialism is Rape." The reason this is a correct statement is that Capitalism works by mutually beneficial cooperation and agreement of services/products, socialism achieves the same means by FORCE instead, i.e. you do what someone says OR ELSE. Thus, you have consent on the one hand, and then you have rape on the other.

3:15 "They didn't tend to have cars in the communist systems apart from the people at the top who, uhhhh, stole most of the money" [AWKWARD LOOK DOWN TO THE FLOOR INTENSIFIES]

@redwater4778

5 жыл бұрын

The west would not trade with the USSR after the war . Big stab in the back by the allies.

@vanbeet5105

4 жыл бұрын

It's always someone else's fault; our system is perfect,it's just other people's fault that it has never worked

@jonnybgoode7742

4 жыл бұрын

@@redwater4778 communist made products were dog shit lol.

@stevenschnepp576

4 жыл бұрын

@@redwater4778 I'm sure you've thought very deeply about that, and have answers to the question of the quality of product, the millions of Soviets starving to death, and the fact that the USSR was only ever an ally of convenience, not a real friend of the West.

@redwater4778

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevenschnepp576 A system of taxation or an Ideology of governance do not kill.

"The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money." - Margaret Thatcher.

@redwater4778

4 жыл бұрын

Who are the other people?

@StrangeAttractor

4 жыл бұрын

the problem with capitalism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money. What rock were you hiding under in 2008?

@redwater4778

4 жыл бұрын

@@StrangeAttractor Yaa The peoples money as we bare all the tax burden.

@MoiraJones

4 жыл бұрын

Ours!!!

@redfalcongamer1422

4 жыл бұрын

@@StrangeAttractor I was there in 2008. That was a direct result of the government telling companies and banks to do things that were mind-bogglingly stupid which no sane business owner would've done, and then trying to bail said companies out of the mess that the government itself put them in in the first place. So, 2008 was a result of government meddling in the economy. Like Socialism. You think more of that will fix it? Hell no!

It's always wonderful when rich, entitled people state that everyone have the same opportunities.

@bjornhattan6026

4 жыл бұрын

John Redwood went to private school on a full scholarship and grew up in a council house, a far cry from the likes of Corbyn...

@somecommunist1383

3 жыл бұрын

​@UncappingBadger Nowadays, you almost certainly need a degree/ go through university to get a job. Universities Make you Broke with their enormous fees (Don't ge me started on exploitation of staff and students). You are in debt until far later in life. We don't think everything should be handed to us on a silver platter, we just think those who pay huge amounts to get a degree for a job and work should get paid equivalent to how much work is done. If You own the company and you sit around while others do the work to generate money for you, why should you get more money? If we alll refused to work for you, your business would just collapse! Also, Jobs available have gone down as business don't want to hire new people, if they can just pile more work on the people already there, and maybe (if your lucky) Give Them a moderate pay rise.

@somecommunist1383

3 жыл бұрын

@UncappingBadger I do believe that experience should be taken over a degree. Experience of showing you are a good worker though, should not prevent people who have not had time to prove themselves as good workers to get a job. I believe that degrees should be adapted to show that you have the ability to put the theory into practice. Also, I agree that some CEO's Have put a lot on the line to make their business successful, but that still does not in any way excuse the exploitation of workers done by all successful companies at some point.

@chrisbrookes7422

2 жыл бұрын

@UncappingBadger Sounds all good on paper with what you're saying problem is in todays world when young people start off looking for work no employer wants to take them on, So they're left in a position where they're constantly looking for a job but have no experience. but at the same time nobody is willing to take them so they can't get that required experience a horrible catch 22. Also I must say that not every young person wants to start work at McDonald's and why should they? It's all well and good working your arse off and starting from the bottom then moving up the ladder through the years, but in todays economy with sky high prices and low wages people are working harder and longer than generations years ago, yet earning/achieving less so I think people are right in questioning Capitalism especially right now where its clear its not as good as people thought.

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Jeremy Corbyn looks so pissed 😂

John Redwood stands up and prepares a delicious roast

Corbyn's face........priceless

@rmeighen1

5 жыл бұрын

well noted it was priceless no smile totally bemused.

@NathanJennings1222

4 жыл бұрын

I laughed at Corbyn's mug so hard my neck hurt.

@razzberry6180

3 жыл бұрын

He looked ready to burst into tears 🤣

Most hilarious moments? the close ups of Corbin!

Fantastic, John wiped the floor against Jeremy !

@das81

4 жыл бұрын

Let's see if "humour" can save from the Corona Crisis...

@shreyarishi2720

3 жыл бұрын

@@das81 lmaooooo that one was actually good, i can actually imagine one of them unironically saying 'laughter is the best medicine' to your comment 😂😂

Socialism: "This is the best you will ever get, you can't be a better person - therefore you get all this stuff you haven't earned for free" Capitalism: "Do better."

@fredriklvoll5789

4 жыл бұрын

Socialism: "you get you basic human needs fullfilled, and your labour isnt exploited by someone above you, and you democratically controll the workplace" Capitalism: "Fuck you, give me your labour or you will die from starvation"

@reduceparticles876

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredriklvoll5789 Someone didn't get a job to receive personal income.

@ashemrus

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredriklvoll5789 Socialism: you get you basic human needs fullfilled as i see fit but never anything more. And you don't have choice on anything including where and how you work Capitalism: Go and work or you will die from starvation. You are free to do either in any way you see fit Here, i fixed it for you

@fredriklvoll5789

4 жыл бұрын

@@ashemrus I think you should do more research about the different kinds of socialism and how you control the workplace INCLUDING how you work! NOT that people are forced to coerce with the boss. Also who the fuck said you cant choose where to work? In a market socialist society the only difference is that the workers arent exploited, since they own their own labour and control the workplace. In a communist society you are not held back by poverty unlike under capitalism. Also you arent very "free" when you choose between working a shitty job, and starvation. Your also not very free to choose where to work under capitalism, as most of the time there is one or zero options to where you work, this is especially true for people with low skill jobs.

@koalasquare2145

3 жыл бұрын

Capitalism: your parents were poor, so fuck you. Work a minimum wage job with no benefits and then go bankrupt when you can't afford healthcare. Do better. Socialism: here have some education and some healthcare too. We want you to be able to contribute to society.

Corbyn looks like he is almost in tears in this one.

Fantastic. I laughed so much at this man. Redwood is clearly a socialist, who decided to put a differnet spin on things in this debate and make an argument for socialism by pretending to be a capitalist and talking about capitalism in an obviously farcical and ludicrous manner, very clever.

The one point i would like to make it that traffic lights are extremly good at allowing all different people a chance to cross, for example those that cannot afford a car and instead have to use a bike, or foot, whereas at a roudabout it extremly hard, if not impossible for this type of person to cross, and if indeed they can cross it takes them far longer, and is much more difficult.

@andrewwenzel3600

7 жыл бұрын

Why yes it gives people a chance to cross but a large amount of the time there is no-one who needs to cross and therefor peoples journeys become less efficient, true it does make it safer but then look at other solutions to the issue and you will find things better than traffic lights.

@jmakes3745

7 жыл бұрын

Roundabouts - people travelling on foot, bike or even those who are blind/handicapped etc CANNOT CROSS Traffic Lights - people travelling on foot, bike or even those who are blind/handicapped etc can cross extremely easily but sometimes at the expense of those using cars/motorbikes/trucks etc

@animesis

7 жыл бұрын

Roundabouts tend to have lights specifically if there is a need for pedestrians and bikes to cross. But the roundabout still functions to allow cars to go when theres a chance versus the other cars

@jmakes3745

7 жыл бұрын

Aren't you therefore proving that in order for pedestrians and cyclists to cross, you must have traffic lights? Or in relation to this you must have socialism or at the very least a mixed economy?

Now we have Traffic lights on roundabouts.

@swagmanandy

2 жыл бұрын

That say's it all in a nutshell!!

Redwood is a brilliant Conservative mind. He would have made an excellent PM.

@oliverdesvaux

5 жыл бұрын

Good mind yes, but Not sure about that comment

The English knows that socialism doesn’t work ,they remember Mintoff ,one choclate brand ,one car brand ,no private hospitals ,no Mc Donald’s ,and so on

Seize the means of production. And also seize the means of humor, like holy shit laugh Corbyn! Laugh!

@boneyween

2 жыл бұрын

Why would he laugh when there's nothing funny happening?

Great Speech from Mr Redwood-Destroying the Socialist Morons & Indeed Corbyn.

@hanksCorner7011

4 жыл бұрын

@collinsplanet He is not saying that

@redswanmusic3627

4 жыл бұрын

This is literally the worst argument against socialism I've ever heard. He spends half of the time talking about an irrelevant metaphor, and never once addresses what actual socialism is, merely criticising totalitarianism.

Love Corbyn's expressions as Redwood is chatting his shit.

Great to watch Jeremy Corbyn's reactions in this video. His facial expressions are an excellent argument against socialism. Who would want to be ruled by such a person?

@slimlegs6298

4 жыл бұрын

You’re shallow

@markanderson6639

4 жыл бұрын

@@slimlegs6298 if not wanting to be ruled by the likes of Jeremy Corbyn makes me shallow in your opinion then I will embrace that shallowness. But since Jeremy Corbyn's tenure as Labour Party leader is now history the point is irrelevant.

@markanderson6639

4 жыл бұрын

@@waving-curve Jeremy Corbyn''s core ideology needs to be challenged. It's a malignant ideology.

@EOTA564

3 жыл бұрын

Corbyn is a humourless twat who takes everything too seriously. Reminds me of the common room bores at uni. Watch the Commons footage in the video ‘Thatcher’s Last Stand Against Socialism’ and you’ll see even Jim Sillars and Dennis Skinner charmed by Thatcher’s performance even though she was their mortal enemy. I’m sure Corbyn was sitting in the Commons with a face like a bulldog licking piss off a thistle throughout all of the entertaining exchanges.

the contempt on Chorbynov and co' face haha. Priceless.

Socialism works very well on a starship with replicators and holodecks. As long as resources are limited against the unlimited wants and needs of people some form of capitalism will exist. It is best to take the indifferent capitalism of the free market over the crony capitalism of the politburo.

2:40 - lol at Corbyns sigh of anguish toward Redwood...

@teddyirons8240

8 жыл бұрын

Corbyn seems like a genuine guy, but boy does he lack a sense of humour! LOL

@henrydupont9181

7 жыл бұрын

He is an A grade twit. And that's not my opinion, but the electorate's...

@frazerguest2864

5 жыл бұрын

Teddy Irons : That’s odd, as to me he seems like a very dangerous, anti-UK Marxist.

To the American who spoke up, U.S. cities frequently have traffic circles (just a circle with traffic lights), whereas big roundabouts are quite rare (you'll see a few in neighborhoods and small intersection). The only one I know of is in Indianapolis and it works wonderfully and is beautiful.

The look of revulsion on Jeremy Corbyn's face says it all!

@johnroberts6116

4 жыл бұрын

They should repeat this video each Christmas instead of the repeat of a Morecombe and Wise. It would produce as many laughs just watching the reactions of Corbyn.

9:40, 'if you want to see the smart people shop', sorry? Sorry? One more time please? This despicable toff equating shopping at Harrods with intelligence. Absolutely sickening that this guy is an MP.

@WillandTony

9 жыл бұрын

***** i think he means smart as in presentable. If he isn't his still kind of right, most rich people are generally pretty clever.

@aerialexplorer772

9 жыл бұрын

***** I think you'll find the average intelligence of those shopping at Harrods is higher than those shopping at M&S.

@ambrosethekat

9 жыл бұрын

AerialExplorer if that is the case, why? Is it because children of the wealthy have access to better education? Why should some children be taught differently from others, give every child the same opportunities. Otherwise the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor, it's a vicious circle... I mean a vicious roundabout.

@aerialexplorer772

9 жыл бұрын

james harris It's because the children of the wealthy have smarter genes, and have been brought up by their parents from year zero to work harder and smarter. No "poor" person is ever excluded from entry to the rich world - it just means they have to put more effort in to get there. It is a question of how much do they want it - many poorer people are happy with their lot and therefore don't have the motivation to improve. Every year there are plenty of rich people who blow all their money and end up having to work for M&S and send their children to state school - thereby freeing up space at the top of the tree for the most worthy, and them joining the ranks for the "poor"- there is a steady cycle of people from poor to rich and vice versa. Well apart from the Royal family perhaps, though even then you get people like the Duke of Windsor who gave it all up for a woman.

@ambrosethekat

9 жыл бұрын

Oh you're being sarcastic, jokes brother! That was good!

I lived in Long Island for most of my Life. And i loved the Round abouts. Riverhead NY had 3. So much better than lights. I wish Texas took advantage of this.

"The goal of socialism is communism''. Vladimir Lenin

With Capitalism, bread waits in line for the consumer, with Socialism, the consumer waits in line for bread. Which system sounds better?

The young man on throne is our future.

This is actually the best one out of all of the speakers. What magnificence! Humor and yet he makes a clear cut point!

@zylo999

3 жыл бұрын

Charisma 10

Where were the arguments? This is just a bunch of flawed analogies, ad hominems, and some bullshit at the end about how a socialist state stops people being able to buy things. There are plenty of capitalist states where most cannot buy things too; poverty is the reason for this, not democratic workers' control of their workplaces.

@andrewdevine3920

9 жыл бұрын

+jamma246 'Socialism doesn't work because I'm a knob end' is what i heard.

@jamma246

9 жыл бұрын

Wow, I'm convinced. That's the end of that then.

@jamma246

9 жыл бұрын

You realise that socialism isn't about taxing the rich and giving it to the poor, right? It's more about worker's democratic ownership of key national resources, aiming for a world in which workers are paid fairly for their labour rather than capitalists gaining the lion's share just because they happen to have possession of vital industries. There is simply no reason for people to make millions from exploiting the energy market, or from cartels running the train network, and it has been consistently shown that these things run more efficiently in the public sector. And poverty _everywhere_ in France? How hyperbolic. The US is full of _very_ poor areas. I'd way rather live in France than the US.

@jamma246

9 жыл бұрын

Funny theory which doesn't stack up to any evidence. By way of example, public healthcare always outperforms private. In fact, the US spends 2.5 times that of the UK per capita on health care. This isn't transferring money away from people, quite the opposite, it's transferring money away from those who would wish to monetise and exploit a necessary public service. But yeah, keep waving your flags and being irrational.

@zeogold

8 жыл бұрын

+Admiral Nimitz boy is that ever true

''Multi-Culturalism / Cultural Appropriation. It's getting more and more difficult to support both !!'' *Ex Liberal here

@Sorain1

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. One of these must be false, as they are mutually exclusive. Either no culture is sacred and I'm free to do whatever, or every culture must be respected and I may only partake of my own.

As a socialist i ust say i have enjoyed Redwood's speech he is a good speaker and a bit of fresh air!

@Jack-xy4fy

4 жыл бұрын

shouldn't you be working in a factory somewhere?

@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-xy4fy And that kind of attitude Ladies and Gentleman is the reason why the correspondent IS a Socialist...

@milobrosamer272

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-xy4fy worldview destroyed

Ironically, here in the US -- at least in Texas -- the roundabout is slowly replacing traffic lights because all the studies indicate that if you just. put. proper. roundabout. protocol. into the Drivers' Education (it's not currently in there in most US schools), then they do, in fact, work better than traffic lights. ;)

living in small town USA, I have to say I like traffic lights and we have them at sensible intersections. I gladly give my time waiting at a red light so traffic flows orderly.

he told unfunny jokes and strawmanned.

A witty, informative, and erudite speech. It's no wonder the Corbynistas don't like it.

@frankvonfrauner

Жыл бұрын

They don't like anything but bias confirming rhetoric.

The analogy to the stoplights is great! The problem with stoplights is that you have reds or watermelons (greens - on the outside)

In every decade of recent history whether it be in the 80's, the date of this video and Cameron this year in the Commons, some Tory has always been making fun of Corbyns suit.

corbyn looks awkward when pointed out to be a communist... well, he is.. This video also reveals a lot that was reality in europe when communism fell in the early 90`s. This is gold!

A great speaker, engaging and with enough humor to keep the crowd engaged. Any, of course, correct.

Jeremy Corbyn's sigh at 2:40 just sums up my feelings about this guy.

@T800System

9 жыл бұрын

Rob Davies Yep. Same 'ere.

@jonathanowen4075

9 жыл бұрын

Rob Davies 2:57 is hilarious too.

@9avedon

9 жыл бұрын

+Rob Davies Perfect ,the true face of a thieving socialist elitist.

@largesatsuma

8 жыл бұрын

+Rob Davies Corbyn has no sense of humour. He can't laugh at himself.

@jilliandennis2576

8 жыл бұрын

+Socksandfrogs Of course they are achievable....we already did it after WW 2.Where do you think the NHS came from....us the people.

Jeremy Corbyn is like, "hww de fook es dis guy"

As an American we are slowly working on the roundabout issue, but he's right, I nearly lost it. Haha

Only in Socialism would they cry out against the evil, greedy Capitalist, only to have that same person be put into a bureacratic position under Socialism with all of the levers of power - laws, rules, regulations, taxation, etc. - and trust them to be an angel.

@fredriklvoll5789

4 жыл бұрын

Are you talking about marxism, becouse there are something called market socialism that isnt a planned economy. There will actually be less bureaucracy since worker rights will be protected internally.

The roundabouts and traffic lights analogy is excellent.

@the_bron_jame5139

3 жыл бұрын

it is perfect, because it shows that under the socialist traffick lights those who arent privileged enough to have cars still have a time they can cross the road (welfare state, public education, workers rights), yet under the capitalist roundabout there is movement only in favour of the privileged car owners, at risk of those walkers (working class) being hit by a car (student debt, high interest rates on loans unregulated by govt, the risk of homelessness)

@captain-chair

2 жыл бұрын

To… Soviet Union style “socialism”, not to the ideology as a whole.

1:36 that dude couldn’t hold it 😂 that laugh

What the hell? I was really interested in hearing some legitmate counter arguments and he just went on negligible tangents and petty insults.

I'd never really thought much of John Redwood's abilities until now. There was nothing particularly wrong or strange about his traffic light, or roundabout analogy - it was a down to earth example of metaphor. Basically saying that a citizen can exercise more of their own judgement in a democratic capitalist system than in a communist one, similar to a driver in the circumstances described. Britain is very heavily in debt and pays an awful lot of money to finance the state, more compared to other countries. A nice face of socialism, perhaps would be nice, but our next prime minister might just be Tony Blair with a beard, or Ceausescu.

I'm gonna laugh at the irony that 9 years later one of those people people sitting on the raised seats is now under consideration to be the speaker of Thai parliment 😂 or at least a candidate that people are considering I guess. I can't wait for debates on the many policies that will be discussed in the upcoming parliamentary sessions lols. I mean at least if this topic comes up, he is prepared. Might I also say that it is unfair to put socialism and communism in the same category? That might be just me.

Much respect to Oxford university for inviting #tommyrobinson to speak some years back. Higher education should be a place where all ideas are debated, no matter what they may be as there's no better way for bad ideas to die on the vine than by being thoroughly challenged out in the open. That's why #freespeech is fundamental to a free society. It's how we propagate good ideas and discard bad ones.

Socialism/Communism the path to inequality and no freedom

Why did Corbyn get a kicking in the 2019 election again?

@bobwallacejnr6852

4 жыл бұрын

Because he totally misread the will of the people . The man is a Gucci socialist. Also..he had Abbott the Hut in his team.

@gutworm686

4 жыл бұрын

Alan Parkinson it was a rhetorical question.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon

4 жыл бұрын

Because Free People Do Not Want Socialism to come in and bound their wrists in chains.

@russellbishop1633

4 жыл бұрын

@@bobwallacejnr6852 Abbott the hut. Priceless.

Every time I see John Redwood, I think of him singing that welsh national anthem in disgrace.

Under capitalism, the socialism for the rich, leaving the rest in debt so the rich gets rich. The word "Freedom" is systematically define as how far your money can go, against inflation and debt.

The young man in the middle throne is a Thai politician now. He is a Thai future.

Socialists are more money driven then capitalists. Never met a person that talks about capital or finances more than a socialist, in their minds, people always have too much or too little. It's money 24/7

@steliosmitr8245

8 жыл бұрын

+John Lott so what?

LOL @ Corbyn's face.

Jeremy corbyn is the panelist, I'm just loving his reaction, same as mine.

The best place to be a socialist or a communist is in a capitalist country..Clive Dern

People with a sense of humour should get to power. They’ll screw up just the same but we'll all have a few laughs on the way.

Fascinating analogy, the roundabout. Very good speech.

Interesting how they discuss everything except what socialism is, its foundations and implications on society. They don't explain the capital machine or internal commerce and trade in the 19th and 20th century. They fail to mention Social Democracy and its origins and motivations and use it as a argument against the socialist ideas. Both sides give poor, unconvincing arguments and are not good examples of modern Oxford Union debate performances.

We Americans are adding roundabouts bit by bit. We learn; we just do it slowly. Strike another blow for freedom!

All the negative comments because all the jimmies got rustled so hard.

''The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money'' - Margaret Thatcher

@TB-md1uj

4 жыл бұрын

jack Parker the problem with pissing on Margaret thatchers grave is that eventually you run out of piss

@koalasquare2145

3 жыл бұрын

Socialism is a dictatorship of the proletariat. The proletariat are the working people. Working people produce things. Who's money are they taking? Their bosses are the ones taking the workers labour, exploiting them into jobs where they are not free to keep the fruits of their labour.

The Traffic light analogy is fantastically perfect!

I would love to see more round-abouts for sure... they are definitely better than traffic lights.

Most people are too thick to realise that we live in a mixed economy which is roughly 50-50 split between public and private sector, and therefore it could be argued we live in a semi-socialist society anyway.

@bighands69

10 жыл бұрын

Not even close it is no where near 50-50. Socialism exists on the basis of capitalism it requires the wealth creation for it to exist. And if people do not agree to socialism the only answer socialism has is to use force. Now economies are mixed in that socialism exists but it is a very small percentage. The reason socialism is not voluntary in most countries is down to the fact it would shrink even further.

@PrinceZappa

10 жыл бұрын

I'm fairly sure the amount of money spent on public services is not far off the money generated from the private sector. Think of the fact that the richest people end up losing about half their salaries after they've paid every single tax levied on them. Also, the NHS is a health service providing for people according to need as opposed to their ability to pay. I'd say that's closer to socialism than capitalism. Likewise the state school system.

@bighands69

10 жыл бұрын

PrinceZappa It would be a fraction but would not be anywhere near the level of wealth created because if it was then our clothing,cars, houses, electronics would all be socialism and if that where the case none of it would work. Socialism requires private wealth to exist.

@PrinceZappa

10 жыл бұрын

I'm well aware that socialism requires private wealth to exist, even if some people are in ridiculous denial of that fact- and that is precisely why people get taxed so much, because when you add up all the taxes together, what you end up with is the state spending all of it on itself for itself. In practical terms, what seems to be working best at the moment is the scandinavian model of relatively high public spending together with relatively high degree of laissez-faire economics.

@bighands69

10 жыл бұрын

PrinceZappa The richer loose half there salaries but that does not apply to everybody. I am not saying that socialism is good or that more is needed because it is not. But socialism is getting over played by socialist who want to call about how big and great it really is when in fact it is small percentage of capabilities.

John Redwood has just brought me to tears. Absolutely powerful words. Bravo!

@kulturfreund6631

4 жыл бұрын

Bravo, dork!

What worries me, is they fail to differentiate the difference between (on the 2D political spectrum); Right Authoritarianism, Left Authoritarianism, Right Libertarianism and Left Authoritarianism.

We have roundabouts in America, but we also have functioning traffic lights in very busy intersections. There are sensors in the road or next to the road to measure the level of traffic - if any - and change the lights based on actual activity. If people disobey, there are cameras that take pictures and fine the owner of the car for the violation.

Here's something you never hear: "Hey, have your heard about the latest great thing that the Cubans/Venezuelans/North Koreans (name your socialist place) came up with?"

@kulturfreund6631

4 жыл бұрын

You soon will see the climate breakdown through overproduction and environmental overwear caused by the praised evergrowing capitalism. Wait a few more months until the next bankcrash (by far bigger than the one in 2008) happens and wait some more years until you see resources being depleted and nature destroyed. Will see how you then think about your today´s comment.

@adiaarau4463

4 жыл бұрын

@@kulturfreund6631 sorry guy but the solution is the reform of capitalism not the socialsm who failed everywhere in the word. Today we are celebrating the first Revolution against the socialsm: The Romanian Revolution from 1989.

@kulturfreund6631

4 жыл бұрын

@@adiaarau4463 I never praised Ceaucescu nor anybody who just labled himself a socialist. Quite some leaders in the West though sympathized with him as being a half anti-moscow statesman. Capitalists are friends just with anyone they can make profits with, even the CCP in China. So don´t tell me that there´s anykind of a deeper morale in something that in its core just cares about power enhancement and buying and selling and playing off people against one another. I also have been saying on other occasions in the comments that capitalism is a pleasant thing to live in as long as you´re at the top of the food chain, not when being at the bottom. Countries like Haiti, Bangladesh or Morocco never have been socialist in their entire history, yet they´re bitterly poor and underdeveloped. Adolf, you´re home country supposedly is Switzerland, a place that gained half of its wealth from money laundering, from foreign dictators and oligarchs, arms dealers, drug trafickants, big time tax dodgers and fraudsters, left alone from Nazis etc. Yet Switzerland has such a neat image riding on the ticket of prosperity and "neutrality" which serves so well as a guise for all the opportunists in that country dealing with anyone who brings in money.

@adiaarau4463

4 жыл бұрын

@@kulturfreund6631 Socialism is a utopia against the human nature. In every socialist system you have an oligarch class !!!! Take a book of history and watch inside it! Is the most unjust political system on the earth where corruption betrayal and and justice are state politics. Because the capitalsim is in a very human nature, even in a socialist system you will find people the nomenklatura liked was called in USSR and Eastern Europe who are an upper class or like in China. 100 millions people died because of the socialism. Socialsim is the most murderer regime since the beginning of the history and everyone in the name of the equality justice and popular democracy.

@kulturfreund6631

4 жыл бұрын

Adi, du bist einfach zu blöd.

Well said John. I like the roundabout theme, very good argument and I agree with you fully that socialism does not work.....

@redwater4778

5 жыл бұрын

The UK turned socialist after WW2 and remain so until Margret Thatcher turned them capitalist . The UK now has a declining anglo birth rate and mass immigration . How did capitalism serve the people ?

@GamingDad

5 жыл бұрын

@@redwater4778 it made them richer and as a direct result the UK population found no need to overpopulated the world with children

@redwater4778

5 жыл бұрын

@@GamingDad How can reducing corporate tax then raising people tax make the people richer.?

if you want to know the difference between socialism and the privilege of capitalism john redwood has just unintentionally outlined it beautifully. He spends most of the time playing the man not the ball because he KNOWS that equality is a basic human right and capitalism, by its very nature, must stand in the way of it.

@Jim-so3zm

5 жыл бұрын

OK... explain

This makes more of a case against traffic lights than against socialism.

Eh. A weak closing for my side but I suppose a bit of theater is needed to liven things up.

@justtowatch111

6 жыл бұрын

WeekzGod if you look at the expressions of the socialists in the crowd (the person directly behind him against the wall for example) and the debaters against him you can see that his speech impacted them hugely!. His true life example of the people under Socialism with nothing in their shops to buy against the plentifulness of the UK shops and the fact that the elite socialist had plenty but not the worker verses UK worker was truly perfect and wiped the smirk off their faces!.

The Tories claim to be the party of good economy but the fact is ... 70% of Britain's debt (now over £2 Trillion) was accrued under the Tories, a lot of that debt was to pay for tax cuts for the greedy rich. For most of the population things have only got worse in the last 10 years. So when are the Tories gonna start showing us that they can run the economy better than socialists, so far they've had 10 years with no improvements whatsoever !!!

@samlievesley2008

2 жыл бұрын

it hasnt resulted in the death of over 45 million people tho has it

1:53 and what wonderfully tamed revolutionaries we have tonight here (gestures towards corbyn) the look on corbyns face is priceless.

Why do we not get to see the rest of the debate?