Hunting teams have got 963 predators arrested in 245 days here in the UK. No violence and with solid evidence to get them convicted.

@coolbreeze6198

Жыл бұрын

Awesome 👍

@lindaaspromonte1514

Жыл бұрын

No violence…impressive Solid evidence and convictions fantastic! Keep up your great methods

@dustin628

Жыл бұрын

Way to go, gotta catch em all! Go get em hunters... never stop hunting!

@Fanny-Fanny

Жыл бұрын

I have a lot of respect for the vast majority of UK teams. They do a huge amount of good, despite the ridiculously lenient response of the law, even upon conviction.

@NoNameNo.5

Жыл бұрын

Unless they are Muslim….then they just go free right? In the uk?

You mentioned that the person caught ended their life. You didn’t mention that they were an assistant district attorney and that the show was forced to be shut down by other law enforcement trying to protect the monsters in their ranks.

@gregorydamienmech

Жыл бұрын

The police do not dictate what programming NBC airs.

@brutalictesku

Жыл бұрын

No. The district attorney's sister filed a lawsuit against NBC and local law enforcement, and won, therefore cancelling the show.

@badnbruja6572

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU

@NinjaDildoShow

Жыл бұрын

This dude is controlled opposition, or just suffers from severe cognitive dissonance. Maybe even both.

I'm surprised you didn't mention that the individual who ended his life in the incident which led to the cancellation of To Catch a Predator was a district attorney. He had been caught attempting to lure what he believed was a 13-year-old boy.

@ladymonacoofthebluepacific2571

Жыл бұрын

😵

@romainvicta9793

Жыл бұрын

Good riddance

@randomtees

Жыл бұрын

"A self...[UUP-ointet] and self...[PROOO-claimed]...district attorney who frequently elected to make use of the.........[VAH-mit] emoji.🤮"

@mikewilson5556

Жыл бұрын

probably why it ended tcap. cant have them catching important people!

@brutalictesku

Жыл бұрын

It was the district attorney's sister who filed a lawsuit and won, what caused the show to be cancelled.

Your dry humor catches me off guard at times, but it is absolutely hilarious. It definitely brings levity to the subject matter. Thank you.

@RaferJeffersonIII

Жыл бұрын

As an Englishman, this humour is just normal speech 😊

@84Shadows

Жыл бұрын

Me too! 😂

@Rayman1971

Жыл бұрын

@@RaferJeffersonIII British humour is best humour!!!!!!!!!!

@Mrosen7542

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure his jokes are his way of letting people know not to take his vids too seriously and to protect himself from lawsuits.

One thing that stood out to me during the Hanson “to catch a predator “ many of the suspects knew about the show and even thought about it and how the person they were talking to online could be a sting operation. Despite this their interests in hooking up with someone under Age outweighed the known risks involved.

@robertgiles9124

Жыл бұрын

And Later HANSEN GOT CAUGHT TOO; he was a grifter and cheater. It Used to be in some societies you could be put to death for THAT. He was so creepy like he was some high Lord sitting above everyone licking his chops.

@fabf7133

Жыл бұрын

@Predator Catchers PA ShAFiQ

@TCoyTheDecoy

Жыл бұрын

*most* of the people committing SA crimes know that they are doing so……they just don’t care who gets hurt in the process.

@robertgiles9124

Жыл бұрын

@@TCoyTheDecoy As opposed to OTHER criminals....who care so much? Are you kidding?

@TCoyTheDecoy

Жыл бұрын

@@robertgiles9124 no but it is possible to be unaware of laws that exist. But everyone knows touching is illegal & wrong. Yeah some people do care like the ones that kill their abuser. They care about stopping them. And technically they are a criminal but also a low key hero… IMO… since u asked.

Doesn't help that some of these vigilantes think they are Judge Jury and Executioner.

@PositiveMommaLife

Жыл бұрын

No. It doesn’t help the predator.

@tiredox3788

Жыл бұрын

@@PositiveMommaLife wtf is your profile 😂😂

@mlewelk

Жыл бұрын

They call the cops and turn over evidence actuallu

“If a police officer collected it using the same tactics.” Regarding evidence…. OKAY WHERE ARE THEY???

@TCoyTheDecoy

Жыл бұрын

@@GilaMonster971 hiiiiii! 👋

seems like they did a great job. I'm amazed they gave him 6 years. that's good. and i don't think I could ever feel sympathy for these people

@deborahstone9696

Жыл бұрын

And you shouldn't

I also LOVE hearing any jokes by Dr. Grande, Honestly these quips crack me up sometimes 🤣

@hellohsaytin6813

Жыл бұрын

"mostly because of the murder part..."

@SarahKing3GD

Жыл бұрын

One should always make jokes when discussing vile men that fuk kids. Laugh cry emoji....sooo funny!

Thank God someone is doing something, these guys are heroes 👍

VIGILANTE(pronounced: vig•i•lan•te) - noun: a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

@SarahKing3GD

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like we need more vigilantes.

The funniest vigilante catches was when known scam artist Ramy went to Egypt and did a couple of catches where he came close to getting murdered. I look at these creep catchers as pure candid camera inspired entertainment and I really enjoy watching the catches while also realizing money is the main motivational factor for these vigilantes who will constantly talk about where one could donate to them. I also do enjoy watching someone like Alex's precise interrogation techniques where he befriends the predator and masterfully gets them to admit everything in front of thousands of live viewers.

@buzzkillington3470

Жыл бұрын

alex is massive sociopath!!!

@zipzip8239

Жыл бұрын

alex is the best by far but he's also a shit person and i'm convinced he only does it to have fun destroying peoples lives in a legal way. i dont think he really cares about catching preds.

@angeladansie4378

Жыл бұрын

I disagree that money is the "main" motivation. Many of these guys were childhood victims or have family members who were. Most of them started this part time to seek justice, but found that there are so many creeps that they started doing it full time, necessitating income to keep going

@ArkaraValtare3729

Жыл бұрын

Where we can find those shows to donate to them? I dont care if they do it for money, if they can help the good people is totally fine anyways is a job and it deserves to be paid

@zipzip8239

Жыл бұрын

@@ArkaraValtare3729 predator catchers muncie, lc predator catcher, people v preds, gordon flowers, pp toronto, protect the innocent...those are a start.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Who else was watching Anxiety War doing this long before the boom in the market?

I honestly wish these types of groups were somehow able to get licensed after receiving proper training in order to work alongside law-enforcement, but the few I’ve observed on YT seem more about getting views, potential sponsorships, and monetizing content.

@forallthestupidshit3550

Жыл бұрын

@@neighbor472 they are in the most minuscule minority then. As the original comment pointed out, many are not trained, do not conduct proper investigations, do not understand entrapment, and end up making sure nothing can be done in court against these predators.

@Duskdog717

Жыл бұрын

Law enforcement isn't even well-trained enough to be trusted to apprehend people -- why should we trust any other rando violent people who are on a crusade to be any better?

@JerdMcLean

Жыл бұрын

Many of them do work alongside lae enforcement. They have a big book of evidence that they give to the reasoning officers. From there it is up to the officers to decide if they want to just let the pxdophiles roam or do something about it. Typically they just let them roam. Really sad we as a country don't just lxnch these people.

@JerdMcLean

Жыл бұрын

@@forallthestupidshit3550 Yet they still do more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government which is content to sit back and let children be abused so long as they have their power and mountains of our stolen tax money to play God with.

@hermanubis7046

Жыл бұрын

Proper training? These people need a shrink more often then not, you wouldn't want them working with law enforcement (who could often use shrinks themselves).

Yes, vigilantism is almost always ill-advised. However, it's also important to see it as an expression of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice system -- where it seems like perpetrators are getting off scot-free a lot of the time. Maybe it's time to start retooling our justice system so that people can trust it to function properly. When that happens, there won't be much motivation for vigilantism in the first place.

@LukeSumIpsePatremTe

Жыл бұрын

The vigilantes don't care about justice. That's why they practice on what to say and what not to say to avoid getting punished on their own wrong doings.

@Breakstop

Жыл бұрын

These people aren’t vigilantes, they don’t punish these people, they expose them. They’re essentially a private investigators. If they were vigilantes, we probably wouldn’t be seeing their videos on KZread

@Eric-yo4qk

Жыл бұрын

Well, the point your making would again depend on a person's perspective and their own personal biases. You say that "vigilantism is an example of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice systemc", however, others might say that our justice system already engages in over-reach with overly powerful prosecutors and a society that relies too heavily on incarceration.

@coolbreeze6198

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 👍

@coolbreeze6198

Жыл бұрын

Your completely right, and there's so many pedo apologists an criminal forgiving weirdos now I totally expected responses like the ones above...

The civilian vigilantes sounds like a hip-hop or post punk group. 🤣

@kauswekazilimani3736

Жыл бұрын

I picture them as jazz rap group from the 90s.

@DreamingInTechnicolor

Жыл бұрын

@@kauswekazilimani3736 like Digable Planets, Tribe Called Quest, or Arrested Development?

@kauswekazilimani3736

Жыл бұрын

@@DreamingInTechnicolor Black Sheep, De La Soul 😂

@DreamingInTechnicolor

Жыл бұрын

@@kauswekazilimani3736 or almost anything touched by J Dilla!

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

@@kauswekazilimani3736 Mad Villain

I was really interested in hearing your analysis on this subject. Ask and you shall receive, haha. The speed in which you make these detailed and insightful videos is incredible, Dr. Grande. Thank you for another in depth analysis. I appreciate your hard work. 🙏

@conclavecabal.h0rriphic

Жыл бұрын

This! I literally just left a comment that echos very similar sentiments. How Dr. G manages to put out so many of these blows my mind. I’m assuming he has some sort of private practice/clinical job , a family and life, he may even teach classes too- a lot of psychiatrists/mental health professionals also teach college courses here and there too…and he still manages to release well researched high quality videos more often than I change my damn socks. 😂😭

@bthomson

Жыл бұрын

Ah! Another analysis (I like it!)

@Breakstop

Жыл бұрын

The speed in which these videos are produced could also signify a gap in research. Grande is making sweeping claims about an entire group of people based on the actions and persona of one pred catcher. I think the Dr could have watched a few more predator catchers.

@Khaotic450

Жыл бұрын

@@Breakstop It definitely would’ve been interesting had he covered other predator investigations for sure. I at first thought there would be a bit more on him talking about to catch a predator the show because that’s what I originally requested. But still, I’ll take what I can get I guess.

@officialpowerofbanana

Жыл бұрын

@@Breakstop agreed. He seems like he's probably a really smart guy in other contexts, but you can't just read a few articles and think you have your finger on the pulse of what you just read.

Very glad to get back to your episodes. I've been deeply distracted by hurricane Ian. My prayers to all who have suffered loss. We were spared, but my heart is with those who were not.

A man in my former neighborhood had too much to drink and put his hand up the dress of his 15 year old daughters friend. Not far up, just above her knee. He served a year in jail, is on the Megan's Law website and has had his house burned down, has been beaten up several times and in the hospital many weeks because of self apoinyed vigilantes. He has never reoffended. He is very disabled now because of this and lives in a tent on the river bed. Hos assailants have never faced justice. Eric needs to be stopped.

@jessica_jam4386

Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry but if one of my friends fathers had put his hands up my skirt when I was 15, I don’t care if he was drunk or not, that would’ve traumatized me or any other young teenager who trusts that the parents of their friends won’t see them like that. Not saying I agree with burning the man’s house down, but you don’t get to stick your hands up your teen daughters friends skirt, and not face consequences.

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

Jesus said, "whoever offends these little ones, it is better that a large stone was tied around his neck and he were cast into the sea." Alcoholics don't get a pass.

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

@@jessica_jam4386 Don't be sorry Jessica. You are completely right to say exactly what you said and the perfect person to say it.

@Dharmarenee

Жыл бұрын

“Not far up,just above the knee”. 😮 The Justice system tried and convicted and punished him. What people took upon themselves to do to him was wrong. I am glad that 15 year old he assaulted was not silenced and forced to live with what was done to her without any justice.

@nightdipper5178

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the good news!

As police departments and District Attorneys practice their social experiment on their population by not prosecuting or letting criminals out, vigilantes will only increase.

When I was in high school girls always bragging about their 20 something year old boyfriends

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

High schoolers are fools. They have no idea how the world works or what's good for them. I was a fool in hs and every girl I knew was a fool too.

@lf9341

Жыл бұрын

My boyfriend was 38 and I was 16. Now my bf is 36 and I am 56!

@brown.frown.

Жыл бұрын

I was sadly one of those girls. Groomers do a lot of love bombing & have the upper hand due to high-schoolers being so pure & naive.

That comparison between Miley Cyrus and Yoko Ono was spot on! 😂

🤦‍♂️ He got so much wrong in this video I can't even...

@genasea

Жыл бұрын

So true Ryan! He couldn't even get the predator's name right. This former officer chose to go to a jury trial and was CONVICTED. If he had actually researched the topic and PCI, his opinion on predator catchers might change. Someone has to protect the children!

Burning that midnight oil again! Loving on us insomnia folks! Always a treat Dr. Grande!

@Sir372

Жыл бұрын

Ha!

Entrapment is when law enforcement creates a situation wherein a person commits a crime that they would not have committed on their own. I don’t know if it applies to vigilantes. But that seems likely to be what happened with the guy who ended up in prison.

Love your analogy about Yoko and Miley. But remember that old proverb, "In the land of the Blind the one-eyed man is King".

@AnneBoleyn-qg5pj

Жыл бұрын

LOL

I was peripherally associated with two online groups that found predictors in the 90's, which was the wild, wild west of the internet. Child pornography was posted in profiles on yahoo chat. Un neither group did the members try to apprehend the subjects. They forwarded the chat logs to an appropriate law enforcement agency. Sometimes, the member was asked to continue to a meeting with the suspect. At that point, the police were supervising. I cannot recall any religious member in both groups. Times have changed apparently.

@nightdipper5178

Жыл бұрын

The good doctor hates Trump and Religion. He has bad TDS. He is too smart for that. At least he thinks so.

@forallthestupidshit3550

Жыл бұрын

Were you in America? The kookiest religious folk ruin all sorts of things in America.

@nightdipper5178

Жыл бұрын

@@forallthestupidshit3550 Seems America has gone 100% woke. I don't mix religion or politics with the need to persecute or expose child predators like Hunter and his Dad.

@Erik_Danley

Жыл бұрын

“They” have changed? What does that mean? As if “religious” people are a single bloc huh. Wow just wow

@kristoffersmith8289

Жыл бұрын

non of these catchers are doing it for religious morality reasons

Looking forward to this. Thanks, Grande.

Two words: role playing chat room, dude.

@hyperbolic-time-chamber-strand

Жыл бұрын

That's literally 5 words though...

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

Roleplaying* Chatroom*

@kristenjustkristen9462

Жыл бұрын

You look like law enforcement, and I know law enforcement. Lol

@MikeySea676

Жыл бұрын

@@kristenjustkristen9462 Hey, I don't wanna be on TV dawg. 😁

Hell yeah! Now I can stay up even later tonight. Thank you sir.

Chatlogs are physically extracted off of devices….

I'm so glad you covered this topic, as it's something that has become more and more prevalent online.

@TCoyTheDecoy

Жыл бұрын

@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne ruff ruff!

@adulthumanfemale8666

Жыл бұрын

It worries me that YOU are worried that pdf catchers are becoming MORE prevalent. That is really, really worrying.

@purityspiral662

Жыл бұрын

Sussy comment. Stay away from kids please

@lostandfound5145

Жыл бұрын

@@adulthumanfemale8666 maybe she is worried that crimes of this nature online is what is increasing?

@bless_M

Жыл бұрын

@@adulthumanfemale8666 the problem with hunters is they can completely ruin a case against a potential predator if they step out of the bounds of the law.

With some groups their hearts are in the right place but others do it for a weird power trip , internet clout and KZread money.

@RadioDadJokes

Жыл бұрын

@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne you’re missing the point they say they’re all about saving kids

@creativechaosify

6 ай бұрын

Tbh as long as they catch the guys, I don't care if they're motivated by selfish reasons.

I'm surprised no-one has brought a "vigilantes" to court for entrapment.

@nightdipper5178

Жыл бұрын

Then the chat log would become part of the court record. Don't be so surprised.

@shimmer8289

Жыл бұрын

That's rich.

Another great video Dr. Grande .Love from Ireland.

Police wait until crimes happen to do anything. At least these guys are trying to stop kids from being abused before it happens.

I write from Ireland and I really enjoy your videos. Your analysis of this phenomenon is absolutely correct. I myself was accused of a crime in my youth and the Police officers involved lied through their teeth throughout the process. It was only after my Lawyer was able to discredit their version of events, using CCTV footage from the alleged crime scene, that the charges against me were dropped. The whole experience taught me that the so called, good guys, are more than capable of criminal behavior in pursuit of a conviction. If the men in uniform are so untrustworthy, how can religious zealots be allowed to operate with impunity?

@maitiucibhleachain5139

Жыл бұрын

Pedophile catchers cannot "operate with impunity", the law obviously applies to them too, I don't know where you got that from. Your story is irrelevant to the morality and acceptability of people tricking and calling the police on pedophiles who believe they are meeting children.

@robg5958

Жыл бұрын

@@maitiucibhleachain5139 I was merely pointing out that the Police often get tunnel vision when it comes to getting a conviction. The vigilantes are also often people who employ tunnel vision, usually because of warped religious beliefs, as pointed out in the video.

@maitiucibhleachain5139

Жыл бұрын

@@robg5958 I have watched tons of videos of pedophiles being caught attempting to meet children, many are quite long as they wait for police to arrive. The majority I've seen have been from the UK, but a good few from America too. Not one comment made in any of those hours of footage I've was about religion in any way. I have never seen pedophile catcher I thought was doing what they were doing because of their religion. "usually" - gonna need a source for that. This seems to be a ridiculous stereotype, and even if people were inspired by their faith to catch those attempting to meet and r*pe children, what's the problem in that being an inspiration for such a public service?

Dr. G. On topics of law and order, philosophy, civil rights, etc, you always make great, reasonable points.

Noone feels "sympathy" for a child predator, no matter how much they are insulted by vigilantes.

I enjoyed the Yoko Ono comment, very funny. Your analyses of your subjects are interesting, interspersed with humour. Thank you for the uploads Dr Grande.

I think it’s a dangerous game when people take justice into their own hands. Brilliant review, you made some excellent points. Thank you, Dr. Grande!❤

@TRU_Lunchy

Жыл бұрын

Those groups are about exposure. There's not handing out justice.

@bthomson

Жыл бұрын

Hi Rejane - Children must be protected. But the psychology of these predators is so very sad! They seem to be very resistant to any treatment and re-offend! They can't be allowed to endanger kids but how to stop them in time is so problematic! We need better resources but I don't know what they are?🤔😓

@rejaneoliveira5019

Жыл бұрын

@@bthomsonWe definitely need more resources to protect our children. However, I do think that mental health treatment is the cure to so many ailments in society. If we had more easily available resources such as mental health counseling and psychiatric consults, maybe we would have more stability in the overall population and less crime.

So happy to see you have a sponsor!

It's been a hectic day so far, so I made my comfort food, Sat on the couch, and pulled up Dr. Grande. ❤️

Terrifying. I don’t know if I can handle this.

@adulthumanfemale8666

Жыл бұрын

Handle civilians who catch pdfiles? Why not?

Wait Jason was carrying a gun when he went to meet an underage girl?

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

Nah it’s fine he was just gonna take her hunting after dinner.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@robd1329

Жыл бұрын

The undercover group got lucky! He could have opened fire on then

@slconley

Жыл бұрын

@@robd1329 seriously 😳

Waiting for Gordon Flowers or Chet Goldstein to enter the chat

I doubt this was Jason's first time.

Thanks, Doc!

Thanks for bringing this up. its a huge area of very sick people preying on innocent kids. But, what solution is there to prevent and police this??? I cant think of another better than this.

Very interesting analysis. Great video!

I always love it when Doc says "because of the murder part" Call me old fashioned but that's a pretty big/important part

@forallthestupidshit3550

Жыл бұрын

His deadpan delivery of jokes is one of my favorite parts of his videos. I think one of the first videos I saw of his was about a dad that killed his kids (or something like that,) and Dr. Grande ended up saying something like "thereby temporarily suspending his campaign for father of the year to do this..." I subscribed immediately.

@Throatzillaaa

Жыл бұрын

Have you watched this podcast on KZread (or listened elsewhere?) They have several different Playlists (so you get an understanding if the podcast will be discussing a serial killer, or some kind of wild conspiracy, and so on. I believe on of those playlists is named "the killing part" (and obviously it's the playlist of the podcasts on high profile killers). Just thought it was a clever name and I noticed it immediately.

It would be great if they would bring back that show. To Catch a Predator is an oldie, but goodie.

@troyevitt2437

Жыл бұрын

To Catch A Predator has a dirty secret; NBC doesn't want you to know that after the T.C.A.P. arrests, judges and DAs dropped a significant amount of the charges. That fact was brought to light by a competing network, ABC. ABC dug in and found out that DAs and judges had problems with the way evidence was collected by non-police entities-NBC Television and Perverted Justice. The police played too small a role, compromising chain-of-custody, and were often just the muscle that tackled the sickos as they left the decoy houses. When evidence is gathered by a TV network motivated by ratings and ad revenue, it gives defense attorneys ammo to prove the network was biased in favor of landing the arrest footage.

@forallthestupidshit3550

Жыл бұрын

@@PrettyFLY4aWiFi. those aren't new, I don't think. I think the suicide of that one guy made the networks drop the show due to liability.

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

@@forallthestupidshit3550 Nah others offed themselves too. He was just a rich, important assistant DA.

@forallthestupidshit3550

Жыл бұрын

@@MiguelDLewis I didn't remember he was an assistant DA. OOF! So does that mean that they are seriously still making new ones? I thought Hansen said they were done when I saw him on YHM, fairly recently.

@martybass7376

Жыл бұрын

Chris Hansen is rolling out a new show in November

Thank you Dr Grande, your speculation and opinion is highly regarded and greatly appreciated.

Having watched several of these social media vigilante videos, it always seems their primary motivation is gaining notoriety and financial support, not the protection of children.

@coweatsman

Жыл бұрын

Chris Hanson was one guy who came unstuck with his program "take a seat".

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

Maybe that's ok as long as creeps are arrested and no actual children are involved. Profit and passion aren't mutually exclusive.

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

@Sky L They're innocent until proven guilty. If a vigilante is willing to risk their life for a child, that's admirable, regardless of the potential financial gain. Nothing good comes without potential risk.

@jenniferleedy6024

Жыл бұрын

As long as they catch perverts who really cares

@jenniferleedy6024

Жыл бұрын

@@MiguelDLewis absolutely however in a lot of cases like this they have evidence in advance and then perverts showing up after making plans to have sex with children so there's really not much that needs to be done except a bullet

Reminds me of the Internet Sleuths involved in the Elisa Lam case and how they ruined the metal musician's life, I think such organisations need more legal training and definitely need to establish an ethical behaviour through which they interact with targets. There are several OSINT Organisations who work on unsolved cases, and they always submit their findings to law-enforcement.

Hello good Dr. Thank you

Love to hear your calm and logical takes on these crazy situations!!

@bthomson

Жыл бұрын

And witty!

Making the internet less comfortable for predators to lure children is a benefit. It's necessary to expose these monsters. I'm subscribed to a few poachers. I will agree that it's dangerous. There are so many deviants out there, I commend these groups for doing their part to protect children.

@adulthumanfemale8666

Жыл бұрын

Amen!

Two thoughts: 1) I have watched plenty of 'predator catcher' type groups in both the US and the UK, but I have never discerned any religious motivations in any of them- ever. 2) Trained cops blundering and lying is mostly caused by years of cultural on-the-job sloppiness, mixed with a desire to protect their jobs & pensions. Predator catchers don't have those motivations.

@maitiucibhleachain5139

Жыл бұрын

Good comment

@henrygrandpagobbleblobber6751

Жыл бұрын

@@AlphanumericCharacters You kidding, right?

@sketchysketches381

Жыл бұрын

Predator catchers have clout, money, bias, and poor judgment to have them make similar mistakes. Nobody likes peds but the fact is what these people do 9/10 isn't helpful and could become dangerous. I've also seen a few "bloopers" of different channels accusing the wrong person. The loud public shaming battle cry isn't as helpful as they think it is. We all know how TCAP ended and I feel there's very little reason for one of these people to point the gun at others before themselves. I'm not defending predators but I don't think investigations should be handled by random folk with no authority or training

@sketchysketches381

Жыл бұрын

@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne how effectively has it protected kids? It let's a bunch of people on the internet know that someone might be a potential predator. I'm positive people in real life aren't gonna take the person holding a phone to someone's face yelling "he's here to meet a 13yo boy" as seriously as you think.

@sketchysketches381

Жыл бұрын

@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne Glad to see wit and logic are on your side, when a conversation hits a dead end it's always nice to accuse the other side of a heinous act instead of thinking about the real world applications of vigilantism. You'll never be the punisher, the closest you'll get to is William Foster. You can't see past punishing bad people when you're meant to be protecting innocent kids. Eb homeless or jobless is a punishment but I don't think it really stops them from offending, even TCAP had repeat offenders

Hello Dr. Todd Grande, I do agree with most of your points on social vigilantes. They do hamper with Police investigations and most cases against most predators get tossed in the courts because of their interference. However, as a businessman and on the social side of this issue, it brings to light who most people really are and it eventually falls onto people like myself if we want to hire them or even do business with them after knowing what they tried to do. In my opinion, this whole topic about predators & vigilantes is an ugly one as I never have encountered a predator when I conduct business, but as any normal person I absolutely despise predators and who they are.

Thanks again Leonard

In BC, a vigilante set up a guy for a sting. They got him, they gloated... and showed the world that they had entrapped a mentally disabled man. 👏

I dont think exposing pedophiles is a bad thing. Expose them, even if they don't get arrested their life gets ruined.

@mikadotanh9396

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but we want to get rid of them, that includes carriers to get rid of them properly. If there’s no evidence for them to get arrested, that could be misinformation or slander. I mean if you wake up the next day and everyone calls you a pedo, how would you feel? A lot of anger and scorn.

@martybass7376

Жыл бұрын

Not at All

Some of these groups have legit stopped some child abductions and caught registered sex offenders. The problem is (this is common among vigilante groups who take on these) they begin overstepping their grounds..To keep things exciting for their viewers (a lot of them is about views and subscribes) they get more edgy. I've seen one channel as their popularity grew they started getting more aggressive & confrontational on their "catches." In other words, they get more cocky and "comfortable" the more they do it. I think that's a problem.

@herculesbrofister265

Жыл бұрын

Heavy sack beatings are up a whopping 900%

@ryanjacobson2508

Жыл бұрын

Eventually one of them is going to get killed. Chris Hansen and his qualified security personnel (and present law enforcement) knew how to handle potential dangerous situations. These wannabe vigilante guys however tend to deliberately be provocative.

Man your sarcasm is beautiful

Dear Dr G. A great checked shirt to a very checkered case = perfect.

If authorities fail to enforce the law, it will be enforced by the people. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. It's human nature.

The system The courts The judges The DAs If they would do their jobs...they would not have this problem. They deserve what they get. Vigilantes will do the job if they won't met out justice, TRUE justice.

When I clicked on this video, I never could have imagined the outcome of Yoko Ono needing to be rushed to the burn unit. That burn came out of nowhere!

@eadweard.

Жыл бұрын

Third degree murder.

Thank you doc ☺️

I hate to admit I am in two minds about this. The police are overwhelmed with work and innocent girls are being victimized. But then to be fair I had a colleague who was set-up by the police and they successfully tried and imprisoned the bastard. I was abused by older men and I was a tubby little dumpling... If only there was a program in schools to educate. I hope and trust things have changed. In the meantime, if done properly I am all for exposing these deviants for the exploitation and the shere gall of their wickedness. I just don't encourage a group of good Ole boys trying to entrap a weasel.

Hi Dr. Grande 👋🏼 Still lovin your videos content and your consistency. So rare these days. Thanks for all the uploads. I love getting these notifications you have a new video out....makes my day....sometimes twice a day. 😀

@bast4rdlyreaper

Жыл бұрын

We are all suffering since Sam O'nella Academy stopped uploading videos.

@forallthestupidshit3550

Жыл бұрын

@@bast4rdlyreaper never heard of that. Thanks for the recommendation!

That was a brutal Yoko burn. Damn.

@SomethingLame

Жыл бұрын

I'm an attorney though, and I thank you for your measured and educated video here.

Creep : “You’re Chris Hansen “ DTG : “ No I’m Dr. Grande “ 🦇

You're channeling your inner J. Jonah Jameson Dr. Grande. Let's applaud vigilantes as a whole.

Batman comes to mind as fictional character vigilantes. a moral compass is often compromised when it comes to these real life types of vigilantes. sometimes people have to make a stand but usually thier moral justification is sketchy.

@Breakstop

Жыл бұрын

Everyone in this comments section is misusing the word “vigilante”

@kingmenelaus7083

Жыл бұрын

"get a confession on camera to show the cops" seems like pretty easy moral justification

1:04 That's generous to the show. What happened was 1 of the people they were attempting to lure got cold feet, so not wanting to lose part of his precious episode, Chris Hanson went to that guy's house and started confronting and filming him, and the guy shot himself on the spot.

Good video

I've always thought that it's a big ego trip for the vigilantes. They think they're something because they do this when it's actually quite foolish behavior. I wasn't impressed with Hanson's show either because all that was going on there was monetizing foolishness. Great video as always, Dr Grande.

@holdencawffle626

Жыл бұрын

FEY...I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR PERFORMANCE

@glormoparch5154

Жыл бұрын

KZreadrs are making money too. Police do their job. I've watched a lot of both tho 🤷‍♀️

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

It's ok if it's a ego trip that doesn't hurt anyone and saves the lives of innocent children. Would you rather the vigilantes not take the risk and let child offenders run free? As an aspiring father myself, I'd prefer decoys and vigilantes doing what they do, regardless of their ego trip if it helps put creeps behind bars.

@mikadotanh9396

Жыл бұрын

It depends on their actions. I went on two coupes in my late teens. Nothing recorded. Just confrontation and fights. But it turns out to be hearsay because the guy was messing with a group member’s ex. But regarding vigilantes there’s more than just pedo vigilantes. There’s all sorts like ones that seek out drug dealers and ones with many free time who seek out commentators. If you look up Myron may, he had dealt with the commentator one.

@justiniadonisi9290

Жыл бұрын

I agree, it’s an ego trip, and a self-righteous one. I don’t side with the targets of these vigilantes, but Dr. G is right - the second these guys pick on a target their own size, or one that is truly unhinged, it’s gonna end badly for everyone involved. While I’ll admit these guys provide a certain level of schadenfreude-style entertainment, they ultimately accomplish nothing.

I disagree with the sentiment that self-appointed vigilantes don’t understand the risks or dubiousness of their behavior. They do comprehend these things, but view their own actions as “justifiable enough” considering those that they go after. Knowing this about them goes a long way in understanding the vigilante mindset, which is comparable to a destructive activist that feels justified by reason of their cause.

Good video.

The issue is he isn't talking to a minor and they're using a picture of an adult woman. It's entrapment.

@genasea

Жыл бұрын

Please educate yourself on the definition of entrapment.

11:40 this has nothing to do with the police and everything to do with the district attorney. Show some integrity and acknowledge that.

@MrAerohank

Жыл бұрын

The district attorneys should allow illegally obtained and unreliable evidence in court?

@schlomogoldberg3785

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAerohank "illegally obtained and unreliable" how so?

@willnill7946

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAerohank no, I said it’s up to the district attorney to use evidence by these groups, it’s not up to the police.

@handreaalexandru1446

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAerohank The evidence was so ,,illegal'' that the predator was convicted based on them :)

Ah yes, he read the Bible. He must be a good guy.

Over 50 pct of children live in a single parent home with very little supervision and schools don't help, that's where grade schoolers learn things concerning, sex, orientation and trans genderism that I didn't learn till I was out of school. Hopefully any moral minded person would be concerned. So what the problem really is, is that government agency aren't doing what taxpayers want them to do. I guess if you don't try and meet a child for sex you won't have anything to worry about.

The TV series To Catch A Predator was unforgettable. In my Addictions class in college, an internet cop (I think that was what he refered himself as) entrapped people in almost an identical manner (only they would be arrested when arriving at the meeting spot). I had no idea that these vigilante groups even existed, it is almost like they are creating an easy opportunity for the crime that wouldn't exist without their efforts. These people must not have thought through the whole group thing, they could easily be killed if they met up with an aggressive person.

@btetschner

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting case!

Thank you. A few years ago I saw KZread videos of these Chris Hansen copycats and at first I thought it was cool that they were helping out taking down these predators, until I realized that by the end of the video, the perpetrators never get arrested. I believe that some of these people think they’re really doing the right thing and feel frustrated when it seems like police aren’t doing anything, but in reality they’re often derailing ongoing investigations or ruining their chances in court for a successful conviction.

@eadweard.

Жыл бұрын

Arrest or not, isn't it a somewhat off-putting experience?

@Breakstop

Жыл бұрын

Where is your evidence that any investigation was ever derailed by these people?

@Sloimer

Жыл бұрын

They often do get arrested. What are you talking about?

@chrisbrown5743

Жыл бұрын

Which ones were you watching? There are plenty of channels wherein the people are almost always arrested and convicted.. Try Colorado Ped Patrol or PP Southeast Texas

@nanetteisontheinternet

Жыл бұрын

@@Sloimer maybe so, I was just talking about the ones that I watched though. And even when arrested, that doesn’t mean convicted, and you know that their lawyer is gonna try their damn hardest to claim that the evidence should be thrown out because of things like entrapment and unethical/messy investigations, and often times they would be right.

I have observed these so-called "creep catchers" and I feel they are motivated by some prurient need to exact vengeance or "justice" on someone who is not worthy of sympathy. Furthermore, they seem to try to present themselves as "winners" in the fight against child exploitation and I think that's pretty messed up. There really are no winners here.

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

Children are the winners.

@JerdMcLean

Жыл бұрын

The creep catchers are doing more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government, but then again you got to think the federal government is infested with pxdophiles who are just trying to look out for their own kind. Look at uncle Joe and his rxpe showers and comments about him being 30 and "her" being 14. Imagine living in the timeline where we elected a pxdophile.

@JohnGalt916

Жыл бұрын

the winners are the preds. these idiots mess up and current or future investigation. now the pred nearly has to be found with a live boy or ded girl. to get anything to stick.

@nixonsprguy3629

Жыл бұрын

IMHO, in terms of character traits, many of them are grade a creep material themselves. That said: At least they don't really harm non-creeps.

@alanna4858

Жыл бұрын

Have a word with yourself and stop feeling sorry for predators! Of course they feel a sense of winning, these stings are hard work and horrible but what keeps them going is the hope they will catch the man who is trying to abuse children. They deserve a medal. There is a few prominent groups in the U.K. who have had excellent success and have been on TV etc. As long as they are organised and do not break any laws or harm the abuser and let the law deal with them. No sympathy for them. This isn’t a “both sides” thing.

Hysterical and intelligent analysis as usual. Thank you.

@eadweard.

Жыл бұрын

Do you really mean hysterical?

@AnneBoleyn-qg5pj

Жыл бұрын

@@eadweard. LOL that's exactly what I mean I voice text and spell poorly so I apologize.

@eadweard.

Жыл бұрын

@@AnneBoleyn-qg5pj Oh yes I see you mean hysterically funny. I thought you meant hysteria, as in the product of manic and irrational emotion.

@SarahKing3GD

Жыл бұрын

Oh for sure! Vile men fukking kids is so very funny.

This was so well presented. I agree completely!

REQUEST: Hi Dr. Grande! I do not know if you listen to Swindled podcast (my favorite), but there is an extensive episode about Budd Dwyer and his suicide during his resignation speech on live television. Could you please cover this case and make a case for his guilt/innocence in regard to the charges brought against him? I just watched your video about Christine Chubbuck and it reminded me of Budd Dwyer's live suicide (a very disturbing and incredibly sad case as well).

As a Wichita KS native I remember a particularly gruesome case that it seems no one outside the city remembers anymore. If you could do an episode on the Carr brothers I would be interested on your take.

@andrewcross8244

Жыл бұрын

Wichita huh? I know the Carr brothers story. But wouldn’t Dennis Rader be an even worse Wichita story? December 2000 was that Wichita horror (Carr brothers) thing I think. Horrible stuff

@actiondork

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewcross8244 But he already did a video on btk.

@martinasikk6162

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the presentation, very interesting. The vigilante phenomenon doesn’t exist in Sweden or any other country in Europe as far as I know. My 25 year daughter and her friends had on line contacts with men as they presented themselves as teenagers, it was a game for them. They stopped these games when I asked them to.

The Miley Cyrus-Yoko Ono comparison was absolute perfection. 😙👌

Sidetrack...The brick wall is my favorite!

Wood chipper go brrrrr.

This was very well done!

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

What was well-done about it? Grande just basically talked about the potential risks based solely on conjecture. His opinion is completely uninformed here. He's catastrophizing and being merciful to those who abuse mercy.

@forallthestupidshit3550

Жыл бұрын

@@MiguelDLewis how do you figure that the risks he mentioned are based on conjecture? Are you sure that's the word you mean to use? Also, how do you figure that his opinions are uninformed? He outlines the information on which he bases his opinion throughout the video.

@forallthestupidshit3550

Жыл бұрын

@@MiguelDLewis also, how do you figure that kid-diddlers abuse mercy? Who has ever shown a child diddler mercy (except Jesus, and that doesn't count because he's not real?)

@MiguelDLewis

Жыл бұрын

@@forallthestupidshit3550 All very good questions. Allow me to answer them in order: "how do you figure that the risks he mentioned are based on conjecture?" There's no case of a pred catcher being harmed after doing the work they volunteer for. For example, Eric Schmutte was completely safe and managed to get the predator cop arrested without being harmed. If there was a history of pred catchers being harmed, Grande would have grounds for his concern about the well-being a pred catchers. Also, these people obviously know the risks for the most part. If they didn't, they wouldn't work with police and they would try making a citizen's arrest. "Are you sure that's the word you mean to use?" Yes. "Also, how do you figure that his opinions are uninformed? He outlines the information on which he bases his opinion throughout the video." His opinions are uninformed because they're not based on any solid evidence. There's no evidence of pred catchers ever being harmed. There's only evidence of preds harming themselves, as was the case of Assistant District Attorney Lewis William Conrad Jr. "also, how do you figure that kid-diddlers abuse mercy?" Because many are repeat offenders who return to their old behavior even after making bail for a previous arrest or serving their sentence. Jeffrey Dahmwer himself was arrested multiple times for child offense charges prior to his more extreme encounters, to say the least. "Who has ever shown a child diddler mercy..." Spirituality aside, giving a child predator the opportunity to post bail is an act of mercy within itself, if not complete incompetence on the part of the judge. Many seek more children to harm while out on bail. Examples include Michael Seibert (the oops predator) and John Kennelly (McDonald's predator); both of whom reoffended immediately after being caught by Perverted Justice.

So what's the problem? This seems like a strange hill to die on

I very much agree with what you say Dr Grande. Thanks for another great video.

You made the dude catching predators sound like a jerk. You made the predator seem like a victim. That's talent! Great job! 👍

@taychurchward

Жыл бұрын

Soul sucking talent lol

@ParmesanTrees

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, I'm surprised this video made the cut.