Leonardo Da Vinci didn't go to art school because they didn't have such a thing. They had apprenticeships.

@danielsantisteban

4 жыл бұрын

@Al Jaz and he didn't carve sculptures in stone, that was Michelangelo. I´m having second thouts about it it´s worth watching the other 23 minuts with such a bad start.

@parthsavyasachi9348

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielsantisteban Michaelangelo also did go to learn and train first.

@TheMasterTelevision

3 жыл бұрын

Not only, Van Gogh briefly attended art classes in Paris where he studied casts, models, and bargue lithographs while in paris

@TheCrusaderRabbits

3 жыл бұрын

This. He had a mentor.

@TheCrusaderRabbits

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMasterTelevision this. He also had an uncle whho was an artist

I've made a full-time living off of my art for the last eight years. No gallery. Getting rid of the middle-person allows me to price my work optimally. I don't have to pay $10K do make an opening party become the work goes right from my studio to the collector. I don't attend many openings because I'm too busy doing what I'd rather do, making art.

@thumbsdown1415

4 жыл бұрын

So cool. I'm a senior in highschool and want to do art for a living but it seems so scary

@Nonorama

4 жыл бұрын

OG TRASHCAN it is difficult, but doable. If you don’t set the goal to high in the beginning and start off and are a bit creative (and active) in your search for ways to sell or market, you can achieve a humble living. And keep in mind, that it is not a shame to have a side job or be an artist and a craftsman at the same time. I make my living off drawing, but I have for one: my craft, which is animation, like a service I can offer and have more regular big job assignments and make art at the same time. So I have two different incomes, that have drawing at their core. Learning an artistic craft to supplement the fine art is quite a good deal, to be able to make a living. At one point, you might be able to drop the more job like crafty part and be a painter/artist/whatever type full time. But that needs patience. I for one am glad, to have a skillset other than just painting, which brings me bigger amounts of money from time to time.

@nancystone3793

3 жыл бұрын

mugushi54 This is why I am starting a business as an Artist Agent and only charging 30%. Galleries are overrated. Also going to add a consultancy, so I can teach creatives how to run their own business. I’m currently studying for a graduate certificate in entrepreneurship in art marketing and branding, and have an artist who had already done a commission for a VIP before we met. I heard a lot of mistakes in this presentation and my BA is History, not Art.

@mugushi54

2 жыл бұрын

@@nancystone3793 Very cool. I would love to make contact. I've always thought there should be more people filling the role that are. A burgeoning industry.

@DragonKnight401

2 жыл бұрын

@@mugushi54 if you’re comfortable with it do you have any socials I can check out your art at? I want to make art my full time career as well and I’m trying to learn from others and see successful artists.

Comment section: 1% art, 99 % socks & history check. Chill out, the title starts with 'Business', not a lecture of art history.

Secret of earning a living as a producing artist is a well edited mailing list... every artist needs 50 regular customers who will buy whatever they need a gift for someone... dealers and galleries take half but selling direct the artist gets 100%... add up what it cost to make and multiple by three- one to pay for materials and time, two to make another piece like the original, and three is profit... build a collector group and keep in touch with them... today it is easier than it was 40 years ago with social media... Art is a business.

You know you're truly an artist when you wear shoes without socks.

@manuelbranco173

5 жыл бұрын

i think you mean pretentious idiot

@LLHJM

5 жыл бұрын

@@manuelbranco173 LOL

@luisodriozola79

5 жыл бұрын

l'll never pull that out, but it looks good on him

@loupsgris798

5 жыл бұрын

LOL

@VolordKingdom

4 жыл бұрын

that is the funniest thing that I have read in a long time - :-)

Art history is thinking and mind. Making art is feeling and soul.

He's not wearing socks because they are in an exhibition somewhere.

@RobertScozzari

4 жыл бұрын

LOL!!!

@jetsonjoe

4 жыл бұрын

@@RobertScozzariknow your rights, research...many gallery owners are going to prey on the uninformed and are NOT a reliable trustworthy source for this info...they will ask you...assuming you understand before hand...many artists loose their works in lieu of not selling as a gallery claims in contract that it was understood paintings would be sold...and payment comes from that...however sometimes...it does not happen...but you cannot get your artwork back as they hold this as a "payment" for all of the effort they put into putting on the show...and whatever expenses associated. No one loves your work more than you...and if you are selling...then more will love you...for the money they can make from you...not you...just the money...Be very very careful. They potentially have the power to destroy you financially.

@thestaz8564

3 жыл бұрын

lol

I went to art school and earned my MFA. The Number 1 thing I learned at art school was that I did NOT need art school. What we need is to learn how to market and sell art. Art school does not do that.

@peabodyfrost6258

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. Indeed many art schools are taught by proud communists who frown on commerce, like it is selling out. Nevermind that they’re teaching for money.

@Philippines1780

2 жыл бұрын

Art school did not teach me how to sell art. True

@kalilavalezina

Жыл бұрын

My experience also. Seems hard to find that information. Any ideas where to get art marketing knowledge?

@karlabritfeld7104

Жыл бұрын

Selling and marketing is not the artists job. We need to make art otherwise you should have studied marketing.

@Rulody

Жыл бұрын

@@karlabritfeld7104 yes make art we are artists so it’s already a given but marketing art is a completely different story learning to market as a artist is incredibly hard but possible

This guy is a salesman. Not an art expert. But that is what is to be learned here.

@seanodaniels397

4 жыл бұрын

He is a gallery owner. He's explaining the business of art to a room of artists.

@richardmanville5621

4 жыл бұрын

@@seanodaniels397 Yes. Yes he is. And as a gallery owner one might have the impression that he is not just a salesman but one who knows something about art. Just like a shoe salesman ideally (in a luxury context) has some appreciation for the creation of a shoe; design, materials, quality, etc. This guy is dismissive of the act of creation at the heart of what he's selling. So, he is either oblivious or sarcastic. Either is dismissive of the artists process and intelligence. Like I said before, that may be the lesson he provides. As an artist, you will be selling to an uneducated consumer. ...and you may have to deal with even lesser gallery owners.

@rODIUMuk

3 жыл бұрын

Really?! I love this

@karlabritfeld7104

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I definitely got that part.

@mypointofview1111

11 ай бұрын

The few times I've had dealings with gallery owners I'd agree with you. They are glorified sales people nothing more. I'm interested in making art which is the thing I love about being an artist most. The marketing and sales is part of the business of being an artist and there's no good reason why you can't do this yourself.

If you’re going to emphasize the importance of Art History, get your facts straight. Of course Leonardo went to art school. He trained as an apprentice painter since he was 13! Toulouse Lautrec also studies under a painting master!!!

@yosmelelcompasinstress6871

5 жыл бұрын

Simon Bejer for me art doesn't need school. Basquiat didn't go school. Picasso quick school. Van Gogh didn't go school.

@franzbi8465

4 жыл бұрын

He only got the knowledge but everything he had for his masterpieces, is self taught.

@Bavubuka

4 жыл бұрын

Studying under a master is not the same as art school. Art school has loads of extra baggage and bullcrap, while studying one on one with a master is entirely different and far more intimate and intense way of studying.

@reginaldlovegood6500

4 жыл бұрын

That's where ı clicked off the video

@deniserothwell6325

4 жыл бұрын

Simon Bejer There were no art schools as we know them today. Quite right they studied under a master.

I went to art school in Germany and had the best time of my life. Didnt really learn technics, but had many many interesting conversations with professors, fellow students and other people at school. To say "you dont learn anything at art school" is just not true. I wouldnt be the person I am without the school.

@karlabritfeld7104

Жыл бұрын

I loved art school.

I certainly hope the brick and mortar galleries don't disappear. I love going into them and seeing the work up close. The internet just isn't the same as actually being in front of a peice...

@zenoist2399

4 жыл бұрын

You should go to the museem drsay in Paris and view monets works and others. They really do knock you it in real life and have an undeniable thing about them that cannot be experienced from any book or video.

Art school is great. I think it's also not the only way to make it. You'll learn great info and connections, but there are ways around it if you can't afford art school. Let's be real there are so many resources put there- don't limit yourself. Find mentors, work in galleries, connect yourself with other artists, Research, pay for online classes. Use what you have and bloom where you are planted.

Phillip i correct. The historical records and writings show that all of the masters during the early days of Leonardo and Michelangelo were, at one time, apprentices under a master for many years before they were allow to paint anything and learned about their craft from the bottom through prepping the studio, cleaning the studio, taking care of the studio(studio setup and maintenance lesson). They were even the models for the figurative works. Their parents also paid the master to take them (tuition) for their apprenticeship. This was the birthplace of the Academies and college training.

"Art school instructors teach you to paint like them." That's why I find it essential to my learning to explore dozens of different ideas and techniques. I have taken art instruction but didn't return because the instructors made comments that were prejudice toward a style, a material, a technique, etc. One said, "I don't know why anyone would want to work in watercolour." WTF? You don't have put something down to appreciate something else!

@timon20061995

3 жыл бұрын

Every school have their own style or straight. Maybe you should check out what kind of style the student making before getting in? Beside, there are many different teachers in one school, you can always learn from different teacher. Every single artist learns from someone, no artist just make art without learning from the others.

As an artist far away in Africa, Ghana. Having the opportunity to get this advice for free means a lot .

Bad start... Of course art schools, as we know them today, didn’t exist until the 20th century, so it’s damn non-sense to say Da Vinci didn’t go to art school. Old time artists did go through years of apprenticeship at older experienced artists. And oops, I forgot to put on my socks ! :-D

@Betty1819N

5 жыл бұрын

Actually ancient painters learned how to paint with a "master", so did leonardo da vinci. Van gogh was probably self taught and sold almost nothing during his life....

@babonneau

5 жыл бұрын

Betty1819 N Yes, that is what I meant about apprenticeship. Van Gogh also took some painting lessons and courses in different cities. Check out his biography.

@charwest9449

4 жыл бұрын

Well, but I agree with him because modern art schools are hardly equal to learning with masters. To be honest you're learning from third rate artists and the other students. It's an art environment that may be stimulating creatively, but without the hard skills to actually achieve visions. They largely leave that to you. Practice practice practice. So what's the point of being there to practice practice practice. You can do that yourself at home. And that's his point.

@friedricengravy6646

4 жыл бұрын

Plus, as he continued the story into sculpture did he confuse Leonardo with Michael Angelo?? He did some castings, but i would suggest his influence is more within painting such as ‘smoke’ or softness & removal of lines, using value only to represent form. But who am I right?? Lol I gotta admit, sometimes I dont wear socks....lol

@charwest9449

4 жыл бұрын

@@friedricengravy6646lol, only the coolest people sometimes don't wear socks

Leonardo da Vinci didn't go to an art school because it wasn't the system at the time. He did what other artists did when they were young, worked at a workshop where he got mentored by a master. His mentor Andrea del Verocchio also mentored Botticelli. Van Gogh might have not gone to art school but Picasso did, John Singer Sargent did, Chapman Brothers did, Jeff Koons did. Georgia O'Keeffe went to 5 schools. Etc etc. And pretty much all pre-20th Century artists were at least mentored by someone. Not saying these are all the best artists in my personal opinion but you can't deny their success.

Art is what the gods give you

You don’t need art school if it’s a natural talent

I think he is confusing Michelangelo with da Vinci?? I know this....because I went to art school..???

Great info, thank you for sharing this video! Totally agree that contracts are so important. I've had gallery owners tell me they work on a 'handshake deal' - which is cute, but, when things go wrong, all that matters is what's in writing. I always insist on having all deals in writing - the most important thing it does is reminds us of what we agreed to.

Although art school for too long can really numb your thinking, art school for a short while is really helpful. M so glad to have met the bestest teachers in the academy i went to in Florence. They are hands down the best teachers. 💕

Good to remember also that galleries do not have to buy stock in like other retailers who are often left with huge stock which has cost money.Galleries can take paintings from artists without a financial outlay to start with which must be an advantage..

Thanks for sharing your wisdom, Alan!

Many thanks to you!! I've taken notes and received a reality check on how informative this video is. I am motivated and willing to make a personal commitment to myself as an artist.. Again, Thank You!!

a Gallery needs to promote YOU , not the other way around . its a new world . galleries are good if they LOVE your Art . most Galleries now sell any Art as long as the Artist promotes THEM !!!

Leonardo da Vinci was apprenticed to master artist Andrea del Verocchio at the age of 14 and he worked at his studio for several years. That was his art school.

Such a gem to have stumbled upon. Common sense, good ethics, hard work, and authenticity. Thank you so much for producing and sharing this.

Absolutely true that it is Art History that make some of the greatest impact on developing your own style and hone technique and vision for your work.

Beautiful moveing talk. Thank you very much for shraring this.

very helpful thanks for posting this Alan

Thank you for this video!

Thank you for the information💖💖💖very helpful.

Thank you so much! This was an amazing talk. Thoroughly, enjoyed. Have a great day!

Very impressive presentation

I studied art in Austin Texas, but it wasn’t just like waste of time and money. It was lessons for life

I don't trust people that don't wear socks.

@ellensalomonsen7465

5 жыл бұрын

I totally agree, they smell awful mostly

@greekguytalks

4 жыл бұрын

I dont trust women who dont wear underwear either

@dylanfurst6720

4 жыл бұрын

Basquiat often didn't wear shoes or socks

@charwest9449

4 жыл бұрын

I don't trust people who don't trust people who don't wear socks.

@sparklegirl66

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Excellent! Many of us had no idea how to be an artist, even though we had the drive and the desire...After earning an MFA at the advice of an undergrad professor, I determined I related to outsider artists. I was told I was a natural colorist. I had extensive life drawing in undergrad and was shocked my classmates could not really capture the figure in grad school! Nobody taught me how to have an art career! Mostly anything I have accomplished was sheer luck! I am listening to you a 2nd time! Thank you!

Decided to read the comments at 0:59 Saved me the time I would have spent watching this video.

Leonardo was sent to Verrocchio's workshop and that was he's training, there weren't art schools at the time if you showed talent and was lucky enough to be recognised some then a Master would take you under he's wing and teach you the craft (btw in Leonardo's days no one referred to them selves as artists you where either a Allievo or a Maestro ) having said that Verrocchio taught some random chaps known by the name of `Botticelli Ghirlandaio and Perugino. here is some art history as you recommend sir. having said that yes technically Leonardo along his illustrious colleagues never went to art school and never had to succumb or submit to the modern days rules and regulation of the art market either. Your advice is spot on and sound as much as it is unpalatable as far as I'm concerned in the digital age the art gallery ,in its physical form regulated in our time's finance rule is by default obsolete and will have to adjust to the future not clawed to the pre digital era.

I was chatting to a high school art teacher who found through her years of teaching that her most promising and talented art students didn't pursue their art or go to art school.

@KpxUrz5745

Жыл бұрын

Well when I was in high school (then one of the best HS's in the U.S.), I barely had time for an art class because I was busy taking AP classes and staying at a class rank in the top 5. However I loved art and took one class, had a great teacher who really taught me nothing about art but he had immense enthusiasm. I won piles of Gold Keys and finally his top art award for the year. Went on to college, transferred to a very good art school in NYC, got BFA and then MFA in art (Ivy League). Kept pursuing art, won lot of awards, was collected by some "rich and famous", represented in many important collections, and now the museums are finding my works. So I cannot speak for others, but for a sample size 1 I followed through after being the top artist in my high school.

@abeautifulcountry9353

Жыл бұрын

@@KpxUrz5745 That is wonderful to hear and well done on your amazing achievements. You are right - I also knew of one very talented young artist in.a year above mine who continued to study art - he too became well known and won a highly prestigious art prize in the UK. He is now a well established and highly regarded painter.

So pragmatic ....yet so emotional....Thank you

Great information, really enjoyed this. Thank you.

Thank you for sharing your views and experience on the art world galleries! I appreciated your speech!

Great dialogue. I attended the Art Institute of Chicago completed Masters....opened a frame shop and print gallery...Prospered and Survived 38 years now retired. Alan speaks the gospel....Make the connection with your skills and then your statement.....Then when you have put in the years of work and effort then and only then Build a relationship with a gallery

@karlabritfeld7104

Жыл бұрын

So you made money off frames and prints? What about your artwork? Where did you sell it?

This was incredibly helpful - thank you

thank you for sharing your words of wisdom. I will be seeing you around in the arts

Great. Thanks. This information is practical and realistic. Most artists don't know their values, values of their work and believe that galleries are in control of their works. Earthy information. Thanks again.

Best single video on YT for understanding a gallerist’s perspective.

this was amazing

Wow!! Thank you so much for all this so important information!

Thank you i live here in the Philippines art system is different from your country but the idea as an artist is being connected with real art community and make the best way or go away.

Excellent information. Thank you, Alan!

Learned a lot about art galleries and the business of selling art. Thank you for the excellent video.

This is what happens when you just give anybody a microphone. I wish I had stopped this video sooner.

A true artist knows there meaning of whats inside there heart

This makes alot of sense to me & I will probably watch this again so as to continue reflecting on what seems to me to be sound advice. Thankyou💗 Ps- I really like the incentive program idea way better than the discount approach...kudos!🤗

Great 👍 video congratulations 🍾

AWESOME, VERY HELPFUL!!! Wish I had heard this advice 30 years ago!

joining or forming an art collective helps, a place where artists can network with each other, how to write a good artist's proposal to sale your self, and your work

@timothypaloutzian9208

5 жыл бұрын

what I liked about art school. it was a place where I can hang out with other artists and talk about our art work, and party with each other. life drawing work shops are a good place to hang out with other artists. at one of my art schools, the professor would hold these life drawing marathons where everyone would pay $20.00 each for the room and models for the weekend of drawing. every one would bring food and drink for the weekend. it was always a party.

This has been the most insightful talk I’ve come across. Thank you !

Great talk..Art ..it's business.

Very credible speaker. Impressive.

What a wonderful, genuine and well-intended video.👏🏼 Thank you sir for your honesty.🙏🏼 Excellently produced movie clip.👍🏼And very grateful for the extensive comment section.😍 All the best in your creativity and business🔥💫🌿

Fantastic advice - honest !

Well, this was eye-opening! :)

excellent information from a gallery viewpoint. Good to know, why not? Successful artists, trained in school or not, need to be knowledgeable about the business of art and their relationship with that business.

This was very helpful. Thank you for giving back. Experience gleaned is much less painful than experience earned.

Fabulous

Good information - thank you!

Very interesting, Thank you!

This is extremely informative. I'm saving this for future reference. Thankyou for the upload.

Wow!! I wish --I started --SOONER!!! LOL LOVE ''THIS'' TKS Charles Mitchell

Wow! As an artist, it is always so fascinating to hear a gallerist's perspective. Your sage advice is spot-on. I appreciate your info-packed video. Especially the bits about paying your dues and pricing, and the importance of brick & mortar gallery's relationship with collectors, and an artist's branding. So true.

Very informative, thank you.

His first line...I'd had enough by there. Be humble and learn all you can, till u get yr break.

Wow!! Thank you so much for all the so important information! Cheers! (wish we were in the same con

With all the great insight he gave and the comments are all over the place. There aren't alot of galleries that would do open uncensored talks like this.

Thank you 😊 You Practice Law ! Your Practice Medicine !

that was great ,very clear and informative .

Excellent point on paying their dues and art rotation.

Great video. Thank you for this. I needed to hear lots of these informations. It´s very helpful for me. Thank you. Mii

I am learning so much from him!

This man speaks the truth!! I am a working artist, many years of experience, this man knows what he is talking about.

Leonardo studied with a master that is how it was done then. School is huge but our education system is not worthy of an evolving society. Teachers and teaching especially realism has a long history of techniques and information that is lost in our education system today. This is a heartfelt talk but is purely opinion not fact. Sculpture painting and drawing have had so much research and study for centuries, why ignore it? That is what happened in the last century. A combination of new creativity with the old is a great solution. Crafting and craftsmanship is worthy of keeping. Leonardo would agree.

@cheriesmith5140

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree.

@jaymcd8577

5 жыл бұрын

Here here, generations of painstakingly cultivated tradition was swept aside beginning in the late 1800s, I'm sorry to say but the Impressionists put the nail in the coffin of this tradition and it was all down hill from there, I've been to see the works of Van Gogh and Picasso and wasn't impressed, I'd take the work from the continental Renaissance to Baroque masters as well as the English Victorian and Edwardian masters over anything post modern any day. Other good masters from the 20th century would be John F. Carlson, Edgar Payne and Edward Seago, carrying on good landscape and composition standards. There are some others living I like such as Andrew Tischler a brilliant all rounder in Landscape, portrait and still life and Vladimir Volegov who exclusively does portraits and figure centric works, all in all keeping good art alive. One of the best watercolourists EVER, and I mean ever has to be Thierry Duvalaquarelle, jaw dropping stuff. Traditions in drawing and good painting techniques have completely disappeared from art colleges but online courses such as oldmasters.academy are helping to revive and maintain these.

@shanajames7552

5 жыл бұрын

I agree also, and since when was Walt Disney someone to aspire too ??? And how can you put Leonardo and Walt in the same sentence

Goodness! you are the first gallerist who is down right honest about the relationship between the artist and gallery and other subjects that are bought to life for artists.

Great talk - thank you for sharing 🎶🖤🎵

I should think the best way to become a successful artist or a successful anything is to find a successful artist, research their career and follow their habits. And network with people who know people.

@comfortakpan888

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, I think the best is to Practice, Practice and Practice, and then connect with the right people, also research...

Great show 🌹

Super informative thank you!

I love love love contracts. They define the terms of an agreement, and every "transaction" where value and potential for loss exists......is a situation that could benefit from a contract.

Happy to have attended this

I totally agree on photorealism... I personally find it really boring to copy the reality. Great video.

this guy is really cool and down to earth.

Artt is a state of grace, not to be achieved butI diligent application . Every person who paints must understand what these words entail . Simple, easy so that seams !!!!

TY 😊 I appreciate it...

Thank you for such honest,appropriate & valuable information … ❤️🇦🇺

Liked your way of running your establishment. Hope you do well in life.

Leonardo was taught by Verchio

@simonbullows

3 жыл бұрын

pari jain he didn’t say he wasn’t an apprentice but he didn’t go to university