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@vanology3606

Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to it!

@TheProGamerDino

Жыл бұрын

ok,

@Ghost82uk

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear your back to using the same music from most of your recent videos. I love that track

@azizchaudhry9544

Жыл бұрын

Can you explain what brand of Eucalyptus oil you use? Are you sure it does not cause long term damage?

@iamdmc

Жыл бұрын

I think you're not storing your things properly I've never had this sort of problem with 10, 15, 20, or 30 year old tech of any sort. Tech doesn't just spontaneously combust. You seem to love putting some sort of oil all over your plastics - yeah that's a recipe for disaster through chemistry. There's a reason that electronics engineers only ever use alcohols to clean plastics (aside from acrylic), PCBs, contacts, etc - it evaporates and afterward there's no chemical reaction taking place Humidity is also a major factor Your tech problem is you - sorry Long term storage of tech: in a cool, dry, dark place. Use desiccant pouches if you can. REMOVE ALL BATTERIES. Lithium batteries should be stored in lithium pouches - not plastic ziploc bags Cleaning: with soapy water in wringed-out clean cloth (microfiber works), followed by alcohol, let dry

The tech may die, but their microplastics will be in our hearts forever ❤🥹

@pavel9652

4 ай бұрын

Microplastics and heavy metals ;)

@ahmetcanaksu6821

Ай бұрын

literally

@bentonrp

Ай бұрын

Perfectly done! Every word!

@Pickleslip

Ай бұрын

@@ahmetcanaksu6821what bro said ☝️… 💀

@ApexFilmsUS

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Stone tablets should make a comeback. They can store records for thousands of years.

@supahfly_uk

Жыл бұрын

Battery life is insane.

@Blox117

Жыл бұрын

no one can read your writing after 1000 years

@bomberharris9322

Жыл бұрын

@@Blox117 Ea-nasir would strongly disagree

@thedapperdolphin1590

Жыл бұрын

@@Blox117 If we can translate Gilgamesh, I’m sure future generations will figure it out

@Blox117

Жыл бұрын

@@thedapperdolphin1590 expressions and stories lose their meanings over time. A joke about people from new York means nothing to someone when new York hasn't existed for a long time

It's a real shame that even if you take care of your tech like a museum artifact, they will still degrade to the point of looking like they've been trashed. I especially hate rubberized coatings, and stay away from anything that's advertised as "soft touch". They always turn into a sticky mess within a few years.

@horsepowermultimedia

Ай бұрын

It is certainly disappointing that the only way to preserve old technology is to keep replacing obsolescent parts to the point where it literally becomes something that is like the Ship of Theseus.

@therabbitchannel2059

8 күн бұрын

You can take that sticky stuff off with acetone. I did it on some knobs a few years ago and they still work. It didn't destroy them yet.

It’s so eerie and almost unnerving watching my childhood wither away like the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean, just a slowly decaying mess of less and less available items, only remembered through the lense of a highly stereotyped image of their time.

@blastermaster5039

Ай бұрын

I am actuallt tempted to print some of my old pics on my phone and pc.

To someone who feels as strongly about preservation as I do, seeing old technology break down like this feels like watching the stars going out, one by one.

@liukang3545

9 ай бұрын

TRASHPPLE PISSPRODUCTS BELONG IN THE TRASHCAN ANYWAH HA HA

@GardeDuCoeur

5 ай бұрын

Planned obsolescence + oxidation 💀

@haven216

5 ай бұрын

@@GardeDuCoeur I wouldn't say planned. These devices still worked decades after being manufactured

@BrawndoQC

4 ай бұрын

@@GardeDuCoeur That is not planned obsolescence. People are using these words way too easily nowadays.

@hinz1

4 ай бұрын

HP test gear from the 80s is mostly aluminum, that lasts a lifetime, if you do the occasional electronics repair. It's just crApple garbage, that dies. No big loss, if you ask me. That company went garbage, at the time they ditched 68k.

Vinegar Syndrome can be repaired by removing the polarizer (and the original adhesive) and replacing it with a new one. Though how long the replacement lasts is hard to say. Shuichiro Hirakawa explains the vinegar syndrome chemical process in detail in his KZread channel and also shows how to replace the polarizer.

@goclunker

Жыл бұрын

Is this every display? Or ones cleaned with the wrong chemicals?

@akhyarrayhka4048

Жыл бұрын

@@goclunker every LCD display made in the 2000s to 2010s can develop this thing in this 2020s due to age (i have successfully replaced the polarizer on my LG Scarlet TV)

@kenabi

Жыл бұрын

@@goclunker i have a few ancient lcds that haven't had any issues at all. so its either improper cleaning, or limited to specific types of plastic polarizers from certain companies. or perhaps a combination of the two.

@sengyew83

Жыл бұрын

@@goclunker the issue is caused by the triacetate cellulose base (what the polarizer is usually made of) reacting with moisture/humidity or even the adhesive layer. So yes, almost every LCD display including LED backlit ones are affected, because they all have a polarizer. This issue seems to be less prevalent in temperate climates though. Wrong or harsh cleaning liquids are unlikely to be the primary cause, but they can worsen or quicken the damage if the chemical process has already started.

@goclunker

Жыл бұрын

@@sengyew83 damn. Everything is made to fail. I am now reconsidering my retrotech collection

Yep when the rubberised plastic goes sticky thats tricky to resolve.

@SacredMilkOG

4 ай бұрын

Good thing not everything uses it :) lots of old electronics are still fine and will remain to be fine. If ANYTHING.... Apple has always played the game with planned obsolescence. It's possible they didn't see this coming- but I understand they did something like this again to a few MacBook Pros, a few years in a row. 2014-2017? But yeah. Thankfully not everything uses this crap. I hate it so much. It "feels" neat for a while... but then it goes sticky. And what's more I'm pretty sure it rubs off particles we don't really want to carry with us. 🧠

@joelv4495

4 ай бұрын

Yup. Happens in as little as 5 years. I have an Ableton Push 2 that has the problem...

@bulutcagdas1071

4 ай бұрын

Some of my old mice had the same issue. The scroll wheel had this plastic layer on top that just seems to have melted down to a goop. I had to remove the whole polastic bit and clean the inside of the mice from all that goop that drooled down inside.

@Destilight

4 ай бұрын

The soulution I found for most rubbers becoming sticky is straight up getting rid of the rubber with gasoline, alcohol, acetone... it mostly depends on which solvent the other materials can withstand

@aussiewanderer6304

4 ай бұрын

I wonder if coating the rubber in something like clear varnish could help prevent it further breaking down.

100 year old cars are still drivable today. 100 years from now, nobody will be able to drive today’s cars.

@jamesgizasson

15 күн бұрын

Not without completely replacing all the electronics that make them work. That's why I love old non-computerized cars. Keep it simple, stupid! :)

Back in 1987 my boss had a 2nd generation IBM workstation. green monochrome, big floppy disk drive, the works. She loved the keyboard so much. There was an old photo of Bill Gates with that exact same model in the background when he first started out. It was built solid but computer tech guys all hated her using it and kept wanting her to upgrade.

@JustinHiggins

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like an IBM Model M keyboard, they started coming with IBM PCs in 1985. I'm using one from 1994 to type this, I love it. There is a company called Unicomp that still make them.

@NathanPlays395

Жыл бұрын

The old saying seems perfect for this😂

@AerFixus

Жыл бұрын

​@@JustinHiggins "2nd generation IBM" probably refers to the IBM 5160 PC XT, the successor to the IBM 5150 PC. These computers used Model F keyboards! Far superior to the Model M, IMO.

@JustinHiggins

Жыл бұрын

@@AerFixus I thought ‘2nd generation’ might refer to PS2. I would love to try a Model F, but they are a lot harder to find than the Model M.

@AerFixus

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinHiggins given the rest of the context: The IT department wanting the user to upgrade the machine in 1987, presumably because it is out of date, wouldn't make sense to be a PS/2 since that was released in 1987. Also notable is that it had a monochrome green screen, which was no longer a standard option for the PS/2. Also, having a "big floppy disk" seems to refer to the 5 1/4" size of disk, rather than the smaller 3 1/2" floppy disks. Anyway, it's an interesting story. And Model M and Model F keyboards are both great. I'm just a snob and I enjoy typing on an F significantly more than an M. Don't get me started on Beamsprings!

That nightmare of breaking plastic is also very common with cars too. It is engine parts in particular that are made of plastic becoming brittle over time or warping from heat and causing a leak. The worst thing is that more and more parts are being made that way. It is only because it is cheaper, they would not use these horrible things if they were more expensive.

@AlchEm1st88

4 ай бұрын

Fellow car guy here! Thankfully, 3D scanning and 3D printing are solving this issue for us! Guys are 3D scanning plastic parts and just printing replacements or even making molds with the 3D scan so pieces can be reproduced with injection molding.

@srpacific

4 ай бұрын

Price wasn’t the only reason for switching to plastic parts in cars. Injection molding is incredibly useful, allowing the creation of parts that you’d never be able to make with metal casting. They also respond better to a lot of the conditions cars face. In fact if say when done right, with glass fibre reinforcement and good design, plastic parts are somewhat better for cars than we think

@kyliecrown533

4 ай бұрын

Plastic engine parts have been such an issue for me my car is 8 years old and has had a plastic valve go out each year for the last couple years

@vincentbryan1962

4 ай бұрын

You better get yourself a classic car that’ll last you a lifetime. Unless you feel like buying a new overpriced car every 3-4 years.

@redcherry8137

2 ай бұрын

Its designed to fail on purpose sadly, more money in parts being needed rather than being set for life

I absolutely love how percussive maintenance usually ends up working

@enthusia86

4 ай бұрын

I used to have a CRT monitor in the late 90s which turned pink every now and then. I started tapping it gently and it returned normal. As time passed I had to use bigger and bigger force. Months later I was banging the top of the display with full force until it returned normal. Later I learned that the issue was with the power outlet and the display had no issues. Still managed to sell the CRT display.

@octogonSmuggler

3 ай бұрын

My dad calls that "gentle abuse" lol

@BrandyBalloon

3 ай бұрын

It works great on fridges with jammed compressors after being in storage. Give it a good whack with a hammer just as you turn it on.

@CaribouEno

2 ай бұрын

That phenomenon happened alrady 40 years ago. I was called to someone having a VAX machine (digital/DEC) and it would not boot anymore. They wanted to copy the data one final time. When hard drives ran for a long time and then are turned off for a prolonged time, the bearing grease gets thicker. By giving a gentle knoch it moves a bit - enough for the torque of the motor to spin it up again. The hard drive heats then up a bit making it running again.

@masterkamen371

Ай бұрын

It's how my PowerBook G3 has been operating for the last year. The HDD seizes up after a while of not running so I keep a hammer in its bag for starting the system.

You should look inside some old 8-track tape players and cassette players from the 70s and before. The belts in those have mostly turned into a viscous liquid that gets all over the place. Good news is that there are brand new replacement belts available.

@kyliecrown533

4 ай бұрын

This is a good reminder to change my cassette player belts haha

@masterkamen371

Ай бұрын

Not just the 70s, most belt driven electronics older than about 20 years are either suffering from a deteriorating belt or have had the belt fail entirely.

@PutItAway101

Ай бұрын

I've found the same with an 8mm projector and an EIAJ reel to reel video, belts all either goo or crumbly

That's sad that components will break down with no use over time, even if stored well.

@ebinrock

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, nothing lasts forever.

@krnlg

Жыл бұрын

With enough effort, things can be remade. The C64 community is a great example - various failing custom chips but through the hard work of enthusiastic people, modern replacements are now available!

@ATomRileyA

Жыл бұрын

@@krnlg Yes so true, there is some impressive work being done in those retro computer scenes.

@MamaMOB

Жыл бұрын

Everything has its lifespan.

@jayspeidell

Жыл бұрын

Especially devices designed to not be repairable.

I honestly hope, these old machines are being used to write proper emulators. Their demise is inevitable, but it is worth to preserve the software ecosystem of these systems for historical purposes.

@science_bear

Жыл бұрын

If dos has then it wouldn’t be a surprise if the old Apple computers were being emulated too.

@TorontoPopulistConservative

Жыл бұрын

@@science_bear Check out Sheepshaver

@MrBrno

Жыл бұрын

@@science_bear They definitely are

@USS_Sentinel

Жыл бұрын

For classic Macintosh OSs, there's Basilisk II and SheepShaver.

@jamiegrantadaire

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I’m trying to figure out how to take my OLD pc games and convert them because now I’m thinking if I buy a late 90s or early 2000s PC it may not work. 😣

Not just tech, also data and file rot. I went into a rabbit hole about Software rot and its insane. obviously not the same but its a legit thing that happens to internet stuff over time when abandoned and its just mindboggling.

@cantin8697

Ай бұрын

Happens with USB storage apparently... Learning about that made me think, yep, paper would be better. Imagine having your saved data just suddenly gone.

@sam12587

Ай бұрын

I’ve started trying to get back in the habit of paper due to that. Even screen shots if I can’t copy/paste the text into word. I’m starting to deploy binders by subject.

@cantin8697

Ай бұрын

@@sam12587 Same! Even if you use external storage and a format for your documents which is sure to be supported for years to come (e.g. I'm willing to guess that even Windows XP Word files can be used with Windows 11), data corruption can still happen on there. And goodness knows how many times you might need to replace the external storage due to physical rot between 20 years. Expensive! Paper in plastic "wallets" for protection is the way to go. When they're in plastic covering, they can't be damaged.

@thedistinguished5255

Ай бұрын

you should always download what you like on the internet, and ideally keep 2 or more copies

@CARBONHAWK1

Ай бұрын

Buy multiple USBs and transfer every couple years lol

This video made me cry, it really hurts seeing our old beloved computers dying a slow and remorseful death somewhere in a dark dusty attic or basement. RIP

@user-xf7mu7ub9d

9 ай бұрын

Same thing here. I have such a deep connection with my computers and my game consoles. I care so much about them that I did everything I could to protect them.

@darwishshazeen4153

7 ай бұрын

Me too also.

@jOKIC1-fk5wh

4 ай бұрын

We still have emulators on our new tech to remember them. Better than nothing.

@papabird4425

4 ай бұрын

Seems like an Apple problem.

@Foam_ball

2 ай бұрын

@@papabird4425it’s the polarizer on the screen it is any old device with a polarizer they actually aren’t that hard to replace

The huge amount of electronics and plastic parts in modern cars that cost a small fortune is frightening when you think about how they are going to fall to pieces as they age.

@Musyaaaa

Жыл бұрын

old cars also have plastic and everything is fine with them

@lukeonuke

Жыл бұрын

Had a old E class w211 merc, i wont say that every plastic bit was still maluable but literaly all of it was like new, the only exception being the plastic bits that hold the side spoiler. and the car was from a place where the roads get salted

@hihellothere9569

Жыл бұрын

It depends on how you see it. Because everything is getting expensive nowadays that. Plastic is becoming expensive to produce and make

@loganmedia1142

Жыл бұрын

Cars are made to a different standard though. Modern cars are also probably mostly more durable than those from five decades ago.

@a.g.9437

Жыл бұрын

Your car will be a clump of rust, before the plastics start to deteriorate.

We need to begin uploading STL files for plastic PC components so plastic bits can be 3D printed to restore functionality. A lot of the new filaments on the market are way stronger (especially once annealed) than the plastics that were available back then.

@welcometooaudioland7877

Жыл бұрын

Can you make a video on how to do this?

@dtvjho

Жыл бұрын

This screams business opportunity. A cottage industry needs to develop for computer restoration, just like what happened for old cars.

@draconic5129

Жыл бұрын

Glad to see some people promoting restoration in this comment section, Restoration is the only real way forward, not crying about it or living in Fear. Either restore it or move on (and ideally if you do move on allow someone else to have the opportunity to restore it).

@DJSekuHusky

Жыл бұрын

​@@draconic5129 I enjoy rebuilding things because I have ASD and find the restoration process to be soothing and meditative. It sort of began with the family Betamax player when I was 8 and it sorta snowballed from there. The unintentional by-product is reducing the number of working or nearly working items in the trash, reusing components that are working to replace ones that are not, and recycling the rest to ensure it's disposed of accordingly. I even got my 3D printer as a broken store-demo at Micro-Center for $50. Rebuilt it with genuine Creality parts for $20 more, then threw another $100 in upgrades on it so it was still less than stock retail ($199 at the time) but with all the upgrades already done. I had never even touched a 3D printer prior, I sorta learned as I went along. My 1st print failed due to warping, but my 2nd print ever turned out perfect. It's been rather dialed-in since. I had to learn some CAD in high school to design and fabricate control-surface hooks for UAVs. so I'm a bit rusty but I'm down for a refresher course. I even have a part in mind that I should be able to test with since I have many and they're prone to embrittlement and breakage (Lian Li case faceplate-clips from the early 2000s). Otherwise I would need the dimensions of the particular item to be printed; while I have a decent collection of vintage tech, I literally can't have everything. Any sort of STL repository would require a substantial amount of collaboration, or at least a 3D-scan of each object.

This is a problem in cars as well. Anytime I try to fix, replace or maintain some hard to reach parts, I end up breaking half the integrated plastic clips on the part. Needed to replace a bulb on my headlight, broke 5 clips and the headlight never sits right now.

I’ve noticed the same problems with a lot of my old tech, particularly the rubber on old devices. I got around the problem by carefully painting the rubberised coating with a thin coating of clear nail varnish to seal the rubber away from the air and in this case, it worked. The surface was smooth, protected and sealed. It works for sticky rubber but I don’t recommend it for rubber that’s started to disintegrate. Hope this tip helps someone😉👍🏽

As a fan of the idea to keep old hardware alive, this is really painful and sad to watch 😢 WiiU owners these days worry about dying NAND storage in their consoles but it tends to corrupt itself depending on who made the flash storage. Luckily my console is still alive and also my old ThinkPads still work fine but seeing what happened to your iBook is real hard.

@KoopaKid660

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Now I'm worried about my Wii U, but it still works for now.

@Kippykip

Жыл бұрын

Voultar showed a method of fixing it pretty easily

@gamagama69

Жыл бұрын

some wii u issues are fixable with the UDPIH method, and if you have a dumped nand (which you should if youve ever touched wii u modding) you can actually replace the nand with a replacement chip or a micro sd card

@protocetid

Жыл бұрын

geez as if the Wii U wasn’t disappointing enough

@MegaManNeo

Жыл бұрын

@@protocetid I mean, the PS4, PS5, XBOX One and Series XS are justsilly locked down PCs, so from my perspective these devices are just as dull as the WiiU to you.

I own alot of old tech, mostly phones and game consoles so this makes me incredibly sad. I just wish I could keep them forever.

@Lundbergh

4 ай бұрын

NES never dies! 🤓

@DOMINNIMOD198

4 ай бұрын

You will die before your consoles

@DeepSouthernTX

4 ай бұрын

I guess vacuum sealing it should make them last longer

@Zappy4001

4 ай бұрын

i doubt all components would withstand a vacuum (i think back to the The Martian where he brings a notebook out into the martian atmosphere and the lcd screen breaks because of very low pressure)

@theIRS1

4 ай бұрын

or you could shoot all of your old tech into space then bring it back when you want to use it.​@@DeepSouthernTX

What I just realized is how much patience we all had in those days. I mean, sure, we did get frustrated if something took forever to load, but we generally could wait a minute or two for a website to start functioning or a game to load. These days, we think something is wrong if everything isn't instantaneous or takes only a few seconds.

I love the "enjoy the tech you have" part.

Damn this makes me sad. The inevitability of decay even when you do everything right. Just think about all the files that are or will be lost to time not even just because of being forgotten but simply because the machine they were stored on broke down beyond recovery. You know everything ends eventually but watching it happen still hurts.

@iiiiii7680

Жыл бұрын

I will say data recovery is quite advanced these days. While yes everything may not be recoverable you would honestly be surprised of what can be recovered

@deusexaethera

Жыл бұрын

If you think that's depressing, wait until you find out that you're going to die someday too. Don't feel bad about the lost files, though. Humans generate an insane amount of data on a daily basis, almost all of which is only worth keeping until you find out whether it will ever be useful someday. Most data is no more valuable than old purchase receipts.

@NiCoTHX

Жыл бұрын

Iost 2 years of work on a hard drive who suddenly died during the late 2000, at a time I didn't really know about data recovering... Anyway after few days of mourning, I rewrite the disk so now it's f...ed. Yep, it hurts.

@HighmageDerin

Жыл бұрын

as far as old films go, there is a special vault built into the excavated salt mines under the great lakes where Hollywood and the government store film reals and other documents that require extreme environment conditions to preserve. The only other way I can see of keeping stuff from degrading is in a perfect vacuum in a chamber that blocks as many high energy particles from hitting it as possible!

@JK360noscope

Жыл бұрын

Everyone dies bud

You're running into the same problem that occurs with antiques made with celluloid plastics. there's nothing sadder than a box full of vintage pens and pocket knives decimated by celluloid rot. The best advice I can give besides storing in a cool, dry place is store the things you truly love by themselves with some degree of airflow. The off-gassing from one item breaking down can not just damage other item's materials, it will jump-start their degredation too.

@qwertykeyboard5901

Жыл бұрын

@Orobas 66 The oldest thing I have using plastic that comes to mind is a ~1960s pocket transistor radio made in the province of Taiwan. Zero, and I mean ZERO broken plastic parts, even on the exterior.

@lukasg4807

Жыл бұрын

How is it that plastics breaking down is such a big problem but everyone also says plastics never break down and that's why they're such a scourge on the earth?

@qwertykeyboard5901

Жыл бұрын

@@lukasg4807 Plastics are different

@pete3011

Жыл бұрын

@@lukasg4807 Because reality doesn't have much impact on the religious fictions (and profits) of radical environmentalism. Now repent of your enviro-sins or mother gaia will wreak her global warming upon you!

@thunder____

Жыл бұрын

@@lukasg4807 To add onto Orobas 66's reply, if somebody says plastics *never* break down, they're either exaggerating or they don't know what they're talking about. The reality is that plastics typically take several hundred years to decompose, compared to a few days for something like an apple up to a few years for an unembalmed corpse. In nature, it's not normal for anything to really take more than five years to decompose, but the low end for plastics is 20 years. And it's pretty rare for it to break down that quickly; again, a typical timeframe is a few hundred years. So even if it starts to get brittle and useless after 20 to 30 years, it's gonna take a hell of a lot longer than that to fully decompose. And as Orobas 66 pointed out, during the decomposition process for plastic, it 1. leaches out some nasty stuff, things that cause cancers and other similar health issues, and 2. spends most of those several hundred years just breaking down into smaller and smaller pieces. That's how we end up with not only things like the Great Pacific Garbage Patch but also things like fish being caught with stomachs full of plastic and studies showing a majority of humans having microplastics in their blood (you probably have plastic running through your veins right this very moment, and so do I). I hope this explanation helps clarify.

And here I am typing my diary on a 1995 ThinkPad that I rescued from the dumpster at my university. Aside from a dead battery, the beautiful black box works without a hitch--and that keyboard made by Lexmark in 1994 is legendary.

I never owned one of those old CRT macs, but I'll be damned if they don't hold up aesthetically. Absolutely beautiful little machines

Before those disintegrate, someone should take careful measurements, as replacements for any plastic part can be 3D printed. Today you can print in nearly any material, from Nylon and ABS all the way through to rubber, like TPU. It's a shame the manufacturers wouldn't release the engineering drawings to make it simpler to preserve a bit of history...

@FingerinUrDaughter

9 ай бұрын

its funny you should say that. because patent documents include exact measurements for the finished product. which are completely visible to anyone for free.

@brianmi40

9 ай бұрын

@@FingerinUrDaughter down to tiniest part level? I can see overall dimensions, but wasn't aware you get a full engineering diagram of every single part.

@RhythmAddictedState

9 ай бұрын

@@FingerinUrDaughter Are there specific websites where we can see patent documents?

@RodolfoAmbriz

6 ай бұрын

@@brianmi40 x2 Do you know more about open patent documents.

@brianmi40

6 ай бұрын

@@RodolfoAmbriz no, sorry

the pastic destroying itself is also a concern for 80's and 90's car. in my car, a lot of gasket, engine part and washer were starting to be made out of plastic. they all now break appart when you try to dissassemble something or were already destroy. There was a really bad play in the steering wheel and it turned out they used plastic spacer to mount the bolt on. those plastic thing disintegrated years ago and left a pretty big hole and that's why the steering was shaking and moving everywhere.

@Novusod

Жыл бұрын

In a couple decades it will be easier to find classic cars from the 50s and 60s than it will be able to find working examples of cars from 90s because of all the plastic and tech that just doesn't last.

@HappyDude1

Жыл бұрын

Nature and Time destroys everything, even without using it I was looking for a cool honda from the 90s with a vtec. like i had when i was a teen But they are all in bad shape now, they are falling apart Same with other brands .... All the cool cars from the 90s are breaking down and parts are harder to find

@97nelsn

Жыл бұрын

Check out the KZread channel “Garbage Time” where some of the old cars the owner of the channel has need extensive repairs because of the parts used in 80s and 90s cars. Then again, he also holds and destroys devices that have that sticky rubber surface on his other little known channel called…..DankPods.

@mehdisol7094

Жыл бұрын

@@Novusod plastic and tech can last, but it depend with quality. And at that time they found out that plastic was an awsome material to make some cost cutting part. And that plastic wasn't good either. Look at the plastic from 30's phone. My mother had à phone that her father had, it was from the 20s I guess. Full wood And Iron except for the handle that is hard plastic. Guess what didn't roted or rusted out.

@Novusod

Жыл бұрын

@@mehdisol7094 Your mother's phone would have been made out of Bakelite. Not really a plastic in the modern sense.

So cool to see some of the old computers we all have used - I can't tell you the number of times I checked out an iBook from my school's library for projects... I loved that device & keyboard was a treat to type on. Devices back then were aesthetically pleasing & still functional! The doors on the iMac's were very in-genius for example. Very cool video!

I guess this applies to electronics in modern cars, makes me wonder how computer controlled cars from the 80s and 90s are holding up

@xijinpingsfavoritehemorrho1328

Ай бұрын

Nor well. I had to replace the capacitors in the computer of my old ford truck, and it was lucky to be only as bad as it was

I'm old enough to remember most these techs and it makes me really sad to see them falling apart. I got a bunch of old laptops and computers sitting in my house that i sat to the side when I upgraded to new tech. Always thinking "I'll get my stuff off here later." Lmao maybe I should finally get on to that. It's only been 20 years...😅

@270eman

Жыл бұрын

Why? They are cool to look at but total garbage for anything useful

@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit

Жыл бұрын

​@@270eman "I'll get my stuff off here later" kinda indicates why.

@soterudsvarten8356

Жыл бұрын

@@270eman he’s saying he’s got files on them that he never transferred

@andipajeroking

Жыл бұрын

@@270eman For anything retro related they are the best.

@christophermorreall3454

Жыл бұрын

@@270eman false I'm still using old tech in my business even windows 98

why did this actually make me cry, like i never grew up with any of these electronics but its like watching someone you know really well die. im into old tech, especially old computers, the fact that this is starting to happen is extremely upsetting but I know there's nothing you can do about it.

@cattysplat

Жыл бұрын

Everything dies eventually. Nothing is immune to time.

@AmazingArends

Жыл бұрын

On the plus side, at least the concerns about plastics sticking around forever in landfills has proven to be overblown!

@canalRetro269

Жыл бұрын

More modular = more durable.

@saaros

Жыл бұрын

​@@AmazingArendsno, it has not, there are MANY types of plastic, some far more durable than others, not to mention, just because your eye can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there poisoning the soil. microplastic has become a concern for good reason.

@KEVBOYMUSIC

Жыл бұрын

@@AmazingArends Just because a plastic is brittle and breaks apart doesn't mean it magically disappears

I wish there were companies that remade certain parts to these devices so we could repair them

I'm very curious of the humidity in your home/workspace these were stored. I wonder if that plays a significant factor.

@Monaleenian

4 ай бұрын

I think that's likely to have been the cause of the degradation here.

The Dell and the CRT monitor are from the capacitor plague era. Those bursted caps would even appear after a few months or 1-2 years back when the computer was new

@blazuma111

Жыл бұрын

There was also another capacitor plague in the late 1980s-early 1990s because during that time, companies were running out of the materials like tantalum to produce them, so most capacitors in electronics would be replaced with far cheaper and poorer quality ones like most notably ELNA that didn't quite measure the properties of the older capacitors.

@laur6405

Жыл бұрын

@@Orobas-jb9fi i actually did find one of those very old Dell Dimension 2400s or something similar to it that eas still running. Someone was actually still using it and wanted me to fix it because it wouldn't boot anymore. The caps were all fine,the reason it didn't boot anymore was because the original hard drive decided to finally die. This was back in 2022,it was in service since 2002 or 2003 whenever those things were made until last year lol

@laur6405

Жыл бұрын

@@Orobas-jb9fi True,there were a few Dimensions that would have bursted caps (mostly were the one that had higher end Pentium 4's that ran hot and damaged the caps) but overall the GXs did seem to have failed more than the Dimension. As for reliability yeah,i never owned one myself but i did come across a few of them for servicing and most of them were really basic and underpowered Celeron and 256MB RAM combinations,but they were very reliable and actually pretty snappy for the hardware they were using

@Dumb_Killjoy

Жыл бұрын

​@@laur6405 I'm currently staring at my Pentium 4 Dell machine from the mid 2000s in fear

@laur6405

Жыл бұрын

@@Orobas-jb9fi Well i wasn't trying to blame the heat for their failure,but those electrolytic caps would burst faster if they would get too hot.It's true that today's CPUs can make more heat,but all capacitors are now solid state and they don't have liquid aluminum inside them as the classic caps do. As for XP on low RAM it depends,SP3 doesn't really like low RAM and old CPU machines,but SP2 and under usually tend to run better on lower spec computers in my experience at least.

0:23 Never thought "vinegar syndrome" would be associated with old tech. I've always associated "vinegar syndrome" with old film stock (more specifically safety film), which contains cellulose triacetate, which over time degrades into acetic acid, the main component in vinegar.

I found my Sega Game Gear, which had not been seen or turned on for over twenty years. Didn’t work. I did some investigating and found capacitors which had leaked. Managed to teach myself to solder, replaced the capacitors (much trial and error). Turned it on once finished…. And it worked! Seeing Sonic 2 boot after more than 20 years was like going back in time….

@LethalBubbles

Ай бұрын

you are COOL

I remember using those imacs back in the day in gradeschool. What a throwback. I still think about them sometimes and their orange, blue, green and clear plastics. Its something that I can feel and see when I think about it.

I am a collector of consoles, and while I am yet to experience any true disasters, I have been starting to repair electronics as practice. Living in Australia, a very hot and humid place, summer is a stressful time for me, as that is when most things fail. But it is also why I try to collect Australian versions of these consoles as much as I can. Because I have found that many have a fair few differences compared to other regions, presumably so these devices can handle our harsh climate better.

@Doctorlockpick

Жыл бұрын

So you keep them outdoors and not in air conditioning?

@osman_ajmal4011

Жыл бұрын

@@Doctorlockpick Keeping your house air conditioned 24/7 isn't feasible for everyone.

@user-yg1dg6xm2g

Жыл бұрын

One word: "dehumidifier."

@cyberyogicowindler2448

Жыл бұрын

@@user-yg1dg6xm2g The corrosion comes from battery leak vapours. Moisture only accelerates it or reactivates the residues.

@nuherbleath461

Жыл бұрын

Do you have an og Xbox?

How am I not surprised that some of these older devices are failing... That reminds me, really need to check and/or sell on some of my older stuff. And to add regarding the rubber coating... Dell laptops from about 10-15 years ago are starting to have issues with the coating as well from personal experience.

@bitelaserkhalif

Жыл бұрын

Rubber coating, well my Dell e5440 has this problem. Gets sticky sometimes, on monitor bezel.

@JustARegularNerd

Жыл бұрын

I have a Dell Latitude 7280 (roughly 5 years old) that is already starting to show signs of the rubber coating going

@Zebra_Paw

Жыл бұрын

@@JustARegularNerd yeah rubber sucks.

@treennumbers

Жыл бұрын

E6430 models started getting this problem years ago, absolutely terrible idea.

@Zebra_Paw

Жыл бұрын

@@treennumbers I found a Dell XT3 Tablet PC with a pen that's like splash proof and insanely shock resistant, with a display that has a single flipping arm. Got rid of the BIOS password, installed Windows, all works really well but the rubber is completely gone. I also had an HP EliteBook from about 2010 with a 1st gen i5, a dedicated MXM GPU and full size display port, experimental UEFI and USB 3, insane machine, but rubber destroyed. I am writing from a pretty healthy ruberized Dell Latitude, I wonder how long that will last. STOP USING RUBBER

The algorithm has thrust me into the old tec/internet rabbit hole, and it’s so interesting. We grew up being told that things are forever, that the internet forever so you should be careful what you post. And yet, we constantly see everything get swept away through terms like micro trends, and just the sheer amount of growth. While yeah you can sleuth, it’s hard to naturally stumble on pieces of the internet from even a couple years ago - heck the majority of videos I get recommended are within 3 years of age.

Watching your disassembly to get to the root cause of the problem is magical; it reminds me of when I started building and troubleshooting basic systems I'd put together from spare parts 🙂

One of the big limitations of silicon today, is silicon is a crystal and crystals grow. So while the FINFETs are getting smaller and smaller, the space between them has been stuck for the past decade, they separate them with a calculated service time of about 30 years. Older chips had a greater space, as they weren't as dense as moderm technology, so they take longer to go bad, but they will eventually. It's this limitation of silicon that has tech companies researching other semi-conductive materials.

it is impossible to preserve something physically forever, but what we can preserve magnitudes longer than the object is the stories and videos about it. the preservation of technology in the long term lies in the hands of copying videos, photos, and telling tales to the next generation. i hope that we continue to preserve technology as much as possible and go to greater lengths to show what it was like

I got three Trinitron CRTs here from the 1970s still going strong, and I hope I go before they go! As in many decades from now, of course. In my experience, some of the much older stuff seems to have been built better, or were perhaps less complicated or prone to failure.

This just makes me sad to watch. Really makes you think about the fragility of life and how easily things can no longer exist. Makes me worried about some of the electronics I held on to from years ago 😰

@tomcollins5112

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering why vinyl records are making a comeback. My hunch is that vintage cd's and cd players are experiencing the same problems as the computers in this video are.

@EmeraldEyesEsoteric

Жыл бұрын

I notice these are ALL Apple products. Apple doesn't make REAL computers, just cheap knock offs built for the public school system.

@tomcollins5112

Жыл бұрын

@@Ketchyuki I'm wondering why vinyl records are outselling cd's right now.

@jacobsmollet1871

Жыл бұрын

@@tomcollins5112because of the aesthetic of them, and vinyls being bigger and easier to put on display. record labels also prefer them to cd’s as there are bigger profit margins on them. and due to the lack of facilities to produce vinyls, albums often sell out very quickly thus many are able to make profit off of them in the secondhand market, and vinyl collecting has become a hobby

@Orinslayer

Жыл бұрын

@@tomcollins5112 CD's aren't popular anymore, so these 'bigger' sales aren't really a good indicator of anything other than the decline of CD's to such a level where trendy Vinyls outsell them. Nothing to do with durability or usefulness, just nostalgia.

From my experience this all happens from being stored away. You have to make sure your electronics are stored in the proper conditions. Not in hot humid places or cold dam places but room temp. Once in a while it’s also not a bad idea to pull your old systems out and turn them on let them run it’ll keep them working. It’s like a car let it sit too long things start to break on it.

@younglee6469

4 ай бұрын

Would storing them in a vacuum environment help?

@MrHocotateFreight

4 ай бұрын

​@younglee6469 oh totally, just yeet your macbook to space with help from Elon, you got this 😅

@younglee6469

4 ай бұрын

@@MrHocotateFreight LOL but seriously though a vacuum chamber, or at the very least a sealed membrane that prevents outside O2 and N2 might mitigate the rusting and other adverse mechanisms

@user-dt9xb7sn2q

4 ай бұрын

@@younglee6469 Some plastics degrade sooner than others, no matter what. Plasticizers just migrate out the material. Volatile components will actually escape faster in a vacuum. Inert gas environment, like argon or even nitrogen, would be a better choice.

@darekmistrz4364

4 ай бұрын

@@younglee6469 I suppose for most of the components that would be beneficial. But I guess there will be some components that will not like it. Maybe CRT some CRT screens are kind of sealed? Maybe capacitors will be more likely to leak because vacuum will "pull" the liquid out?

I’d love to see a video where you cover tech that has miraculously stood the test of time though I’d wonder if there is such a thing . Great video !

@psivewri

4 ай бұрын

I like that idea!

I was working on a DOS 486, pulling it's controller card and the card was so brittle, it could break like a Graham Cracker. I'm guessing it was stored in an outdoor storage room that had drastic temperature changes between the days/nights of winters and summers, cause I found an identical card and it wasn't brittle at all. Be mindful of the temperature shifts of each day, where y'all store your retros, and try and keep it stable.

As someone who doesn't know alot about caring for hardware but is always a couple generations behind, this klind of stuff keeps me up at night.

@supahfly_uk

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@Slav4o911

9 ай бұрын

Unless it's something ancient you don't have to worry. Couple of generations behind is nothing.... I have mainboards from 20 years ago (Pentium 4 era) and their batteries still work. My oldest still working PC is from 14 years ago, works like a charm, so don't worry these things are robust. Also the displays start to take mold when they don't use them... a working display would never catch mold (if you don't literally dump water on it).

@spartan3924

9 ай бұрын

@@Slav4o911 Good to know thank you, I put together a nice pc recently and was praying it would still be good in 10-20 years

I've got a lot of diverse older stuff where the plastic is just shattering now, and a lot of gummy rubberised stuff as well. Strangely enough the really old stuff seems to be in the best condition, reel to reel tape, cini projector, PONG consoles, and the VIC-20. 1990 to 2000 appears to be the most rotting!

@richiehoyt8487

Жыл бұрын

I'm _in no way_ what one might call a 'tech~head', but I believe equipment assembled in those years is so notorious for its 'Bad Caps' (capacitors) that it's an actual 'thing'. As far as I can remember, as well as the usual corporate penny~pinching, there is actually quite an involved story involving industrial espionage and counterfeiting behind the problem but I'm afraid I'm hazy at this point about the details. Apart from low~grade electronic components and the well known problem of built~in obsolescence, I am constantly shocked by the lack of forethought or possibly even ignorance about the way material used in the more mechanical parts and basic construction can degrade in what, to a Gen X'er like me, seems like a remarkably short time - rubber drive belts; those ubiquitous and annoying - even - when - new rubberized coatings, plastic gear trains and doo~dads, plastic and even metal housings... Of course, if you _wanted_ this stuff to degrade (as in, in the environment) it would still be here polluting watercourses and strangling the wildlife come the year 8510, by which time (so the song says) God is supposed to be here - as if to spite us and him both!

@greyking3792

Жыл бұрын

It's almost as if it's all intentional 😂

@circleinforthecube5170

5 ай бұрын

@@richiehoyt8487 planned obsolescence is now in architecture, most houses built in 2020 wont last half as long as a medium quality house from the 1970s

It used to be a running joke in the PC gaming community back in the late 90s that if you want PC gaming you don't buy a mac or apple products, seeing how easily their hardware has corroded or failed over time watching this video lends some truth to this it seems but then again have a May 2000 built Compaq Armada E700 that has dead pixels through the LCD panel and have to use a CRT monitor to use it for retro pc gaming so mine aren't safe from this either...

4:20 IMPORTANT PSA: "Main" Lithium-Ion batteries in *any* device can develop *explosive* temperaments! I just had a thankfully contained failure in my Asus M50V. I also had an HP NC6000 try to go nuclear on me on first-to-me charge. ALWAYS charge vintage electronics batteries under CLOSE supervision! Watch carefully for abnormal heat or swelling! This is not just a risk to your electronics, but to your *house*. Lithium Ion fires are no joking matter.

I purchased a Powerbook 150 for $1 that has that exact display issue.

@Crypt2349

Жыл бұрын

Big fan

@SMTahmid

Жыл бұрын

I got a sony handycam from 2006 with same issue.

Great video. I'm an electronics technician by trade and a retro gamer, so this kind of stuff is very important to me as history and I hope as much of it can remain useable for future hobbyists as possible (and also to stay out of landfills). Another thing collectors are often unaware of is that Styrofoam packing material can chemically meld into the plastic it is holding, so acid-free paper should be inbetween styrofoam and plastics for long term storage. I do also recommend replacing caps.

@andygozzo72

Жыл бұрын

and pvc cables can melt into plastic casings and styrofoam

@Shawnerr

5 ай бұрын

​@@andygozzo72Yes, because of the plasticizer chemical that keeps them flexible. The downfall of course is a cord touching something else and melts into it. It's very maddening when that happens. I always put cords in seperate bags when storing ANY electronic that's not in use, regardless the age.

I hear capacitors on not even that old consoles, like the original Xbox, are leaking on the motherboards nowdays. Truly a shame that these devices will not be around for times to come without replacing components, which I don't think many people posess the knowhow to do.

Seeing all these old pieces of technology slowly falling apart over time is very upsetting to see I guess it's true that nothing lasts forever.

Only extra tip i could add is having oxygen removing material held in bag together with electronics. Often sold as iron powder bags, iron reacts with oxygen faster than other parts and removing oxygen should make things last tad longer, especially rubberized elements

I had an over-30-years-old bedside digital alarm clock/radio that still worked in 2017. It even played TV stations (audio only). Keeping your lithium batteries charged between 40% and 70% does something like TRIPLE their lifetime.

That's why I replace ANYTHING that can go bad in my old tech once or twice a year. Costly, yes, but I guarantee I'll be the last one still using a 2004 windows xp HP pavilion desktop and ballin' with my 1987 colour Panasonic cathode ray tube television set.

The struggle involved with trying to preserve these machines from their inevitable and rapidly approaching fates really makes me appreciate people who make high quality videos like this documenting these things, so that we don't lose the knowledge and memories with the actual machines. The only thing sadder than things I grew up using as a child no longer being able to function is not having anything other than my own memories, sometimes, to go off of. I enjoy people who make a good, video-based nostalgia binge possible and have so much respect and admiration for that work.

This was definitely a wake up call. I have been collecting to some older Apple laptops for a while now such as the Ti Books, but after watching this, I am just gonna play them for a few more months and sell them off. I am moving soon and I don't see any need to be carrying this dead weight with me.

The 90s and early 2000s were a time of relentless cost cutting, even in the Mac space. To do otherwise was to lose customers. When I was a repair Tech at my local Best Buy in the 90s, poorly made caps corroding were already a known issue. This is what led to ceramic caps becoming the go to standard. Fortunately, it's relatively easy to backup all your old data to a thumb drive, or better yet, archival quality CD, DVD or Blu-Ray. Just as you can still find a turntable to play old LPs and 78 RPM records, nostalgia societies should be able to refurbish, or manufacture on demand optical drives for the foreseeable future.

@circleinforthecube5170

5 ай бұрын

the internet archive is incredibly important for stuff like this, in the future we can probably manufacture something almost the same in aesthetic

@westelaudio943

5 ай бұрын

The process of making an optical drive requires precision and effort that's not really acheivable (financially viable) on a small scale While anyone can make a phonograph. The only specialized part is the cartridge.

@Scott__C

4 ай бұрын

Also, sometimes manufacturers just have a bad batch or two of those parts.

@glebglub

4 ай бұрын

to be fair the capacitor plague was due to counterfeiting in the electrolytic capacitor market, caused by an ex-employee stealing an old/prototype formula from Nichicon and running off to china with it, selling it on so hundreds of factories produced millions of capacitors during the late 90s (either 1996 or 1998, I forget which) until 2002ish and took until about 2006 for all the stock to be either found and destroyed, or inadvertantly used *coughoriginalxboxprerevision1.6cough* I'd avoid flash drive for archival though, depending on the NAND quality they can lose data after a year of being turned off, as their modus operandi is billions of nanoscopic capacitors - better off using magnetic tape or archival HDDs, stored in a climate-controlled and EMP-proof safe

You’re right - awesome video! I was cleaning out closets and found old cell phones from early 2000’s and the rubber was sticky. However, my Motorola StarTAC from 1996 was fine. I also had an old IBM Dell Laptop from 2004 and it was fine as well still in computer bag. I also was able to use bleach water to get rid of stickiness along with using rubber gloves and small nail brush. It worked as well.

Considering how many decades old 486 business machines from the early 80s worked for, this says a lot about the quality about late 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s low build quality.

It’s honestly so sad. I’ve been collecting old tech for a while and it’s honestly so sad to see these things no longer working.

@rebeccajeane8287

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I've been trying to start collecting old tech and this is like watching your childhood idols succumb to mental illness. I just want to hug all the clunky monitors goodbye just one more time. I may never hear the beautiful tingy noise of my fingernail on a glass monitor screen again.

The good news is, if you catch some of these problems early, you can replace the affected parts with either new-old stock (if you can find them) parts, or a more modern solution that may last longer. Things like those rusty shieldings could be replaced with something that doesn't rust as much, or would take much longer to rust. I'm not sure if there are any kind of aftermarket 800x600 screens that would be compatible with the iMac ribbons to replace that dead screen, but I imagine if they start failing en masse, some enterprising person could come up with a solution to save the old tech.

@christophermorreall3454

Жыл бұрын

Some aftermarket companies will make new replacement parts especially batteries. I have many times found stuff on eBay or Amazon

@kllause6681

Жыл бұрын

someone else mentioned that the vinegar syndrome happens to most old LCD's, and all you have to do to fix it is by replacing the old polarizer with a new one, which is a fairly quick and easy fix (as opposed to replacing the entire screen)

@RetroCaptain

Жыл бұрын

Store in a room with a Dehumidifier. Storing in a damp basement guarantees corrosion. It's the cheapest sheet available used in the manufacturing.

@EriolGaurhoth

Жыл бұрын

@@RetroCaptain I definitely need to do this. I have a finished basement room with all my vintage macs, and it can get /a little/ moist in summers. Bone dry in winter, but I definitely need to get a dehumidifier.

Also opening the Hard drive and lubricating the bearings also helps extend life.

Lid of my vintage IBM Thinkpad 3xx crumbled one day I decided to test if it still works. I just opened the lid and it folded in half killing the TFT screen backlight. The plastic was super brittle around the hinges as well

It be interesting to see which vintage tech holds up the best over the years tbh

@diamond6719

Жыл бұрын

When I was growing up we had a Atari . Then a commodore. And the list gos on. .

@wolfcanine100

Жыл бұрын

@@diamond6719 I didn't grow up with a commodore but have a c64 it's my favorite retro computer. Lol

@costakeith9048

Жыл бұрын

Vacuum tubes hold up pretty well, they will fail quicker than transistors when being actively used but will store for decades, if not centuries. New old stock of vacuum tubes seem to work just as well today as they did when they were new.

@joylox

Жыл бұрын

I went to a video game museum and some of that was really need. I got to play an Atari 2600, Super Famicom, and some Sega systems I'd never seen in person before. I still have a lot of my GameBoy games that I play on a GameBoy Advance, and my dad has some old Mac stuff. So far the cheese grater looking ones seem to be okay, but I'd love to ask a guy that ran a Mac museum at a university I went to what his experiences were like. I think all of them worked except maybe a neon orange iMac, and the Apple II. I think the coolest one was a working Mac Portable. Certainly discoloured, but it worked. The first battery powered Mac.

@diamond6719

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfcanine100 We didn’t have a commodore till 77 .

the melting rubber is the WORST. i had it happen to a phone case from only about 5 years ago and it was so oily and wet that it scared me when i first touched it AND thank you for mentioning the bit about batteries. i'm starting to worry about some of my old macbook batteries - one of the cables shorted recently, and while i think it may have been the outlet, it made me realize i need to be more careful with the batteries :(

@jjlpinct

Жыл бұрын

Imagine that happening to your knobs and switches in your lamborghini or Ferrari.

@andrewx86x

Жыл бұрын

It's the hydrolysis of polyurethane unfortunately...Going green comes at a cost...I had to remove foam insulation surrounding wiring from a Volvo. The foam was a sticky green, gelatinous mess...Not fun. Sneaker collectors experience this too when their prize sneakers yellow and literally disintegrate before your eyes!

@cyberyogicowindler2448

Жыл бұрын

​@@andrewx86x PU is also the stuff that makes headphone pads crumble apart. I hate it. I keep my headphones in a dark plastic bag against ozone and UV exposure now, but if the decomposing substance is already inside (e.g. glue of the foam rubber) it won''t help. Also battery leak vapours strongly damage foam rubber. I collect music keyboards, and all with rusty battery contacts have damaged foam.

@piotr78

Жыл бұрын

See also PS3 controllers :( people use talc powder on the thumbsticks to make em a bit more useable. Hardly a solution but it works in a pinch

@cyberyogicowindler2448

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewx86x With sneakers it may help to store them airtight (in dry state, not freshly worn) in a dark place and add an absorbent if decomposition forms acid or such things. But migrating plasticizers between different materials are hard to avoid. Seiko made a talking watch "Robo-Air" using the same crumbly sneakers materials. The pneumatic cuff mechanism always decomposed. I did buy the remains with the LCD watch part because of the robot voice, but the strap would need to be completely replicated with different materials (silicone?) if anybody cares. (I collect sound toys and things with strange sound chips.)

This is the reality of old tech, thank you for showing it!

5:41 the only reason that battery survived is because it's a tadiran ultra long life battery, that model is still made

one of the beauties of more and more progess in 3D printing tech is the ability to recreate long lost and defunct parts

@Imxel21

7 ай бұрын

That’s a good positive on this doomsday video

You should make a video on Restoration and solutions to these problems, things like recapping, replacing the polarizers of displays, replacing those burned out CFL backlights with LEDs. Things that can help remedy these issues and extend the life of these machines. Also on older machines from the 2000s it's absolutely imperative to re-cap them ASAP due to capacitor plague (a lot of capacitors from that time were faulty and prone to dying early).

When I've done electronic design in the past, we always aimed to have devices last at least 25 years. This meant all solid caps (aluminum organic polymer or other), batteries that are replaceable, etc. This meant that things cost a premium, especially power supplies. PC motherboards can be built to the same standard, for some around the turn of the century their higher-end boards would use all solid caps, better grades of plastic for the molex and other onboard connectors, the PCI expansion slots and so on. A lot of this tech is 15+ years old and still going strong, though mostly only used by PC builders or others from around the time, any of the consumer brands like HP, dell, compaq, etc. no one should expect that stuff to last more than a decade or two if you are lucky.

This is so interesting. Keep doing what you're doing! This kind of thing is like a modern day art restoration. You could have a whole museum, dude.

@SleepyKyju

Ай бұрын

Not me replaying it to make sure it wasn't just me hearing my own Budgie pair funny 😂

The reasons in this video are why I love to repair vintage electronics. Something about it is really satisfying. I've got that Gateway Ev700A CRT and it arcs inside occasionally. I love to completely replace failure prone electronics (like capacitors) with high quality parts ensuring that they'll run for the longest time. I agree that the worst part are decaying plastics and rubber. By the way, older CRTs can also develop something like vinegar syndrome. It's called 'cataracts' and it's the adhesive between the tube and the safety glass decomposing. Very, very difficult and dangerous to fix.

Yes!!!!! You're actually doing a video about it!!!! Stuff like what you mentioned make my life as a vintage PC enthusiast in Singapore troublesome, and I'd never thought the same issues would surface in Australia! For a while, I've been thinking of getting out of the hobby, partially as a result of pressure from my parents who keep thinking I'm a hoarder… ugh! I just wish PCem and/or 86Box can emulate laptops (particularly ThinkPad models) complete with a battery gauge that could be manually controlled or synced up with the host, and also add emulation of early graphics tablets. (4:36) OH NO! I didn't think about using zipper bags! Argh!

@sengyew83

Жыл бұрын

Tech archival and preservation is very difficult in tropical countries (so both SG and the Australian costal areas). Unless you have constant climate control eg. air conditioning and/or dehumidifier, many of the components like rubberized coatings and ALL forms of LCDs will simply deteriorate. LCD vinegar syndrome is accelerated if kept in an airtight condition as heat is trapped inside with no airflow. Deterioration is actually slowed down if the device is still regularly used. Got an Epson 386 PC along with a CRT at home, CRT can receive power, but no display. The PC POSTs but the HDD is dead. Been wanting to donate to a museum but no one wants to take it in such a condition. Got a Pentium MMX that only boots successfully when it pleases, but the CD drives rubber bands have long since disintegrated. The only things in my retro collection that still work reliably are the game consoles from before the CD era.

@HikikomoriDev

Жыл бұрын

Write a little API that interfaces with the old operating system to the new and exposes the variables of the battery meter, you can write a little interface module that will work with the old operating system to control the battery gauge application or tray icon and manipulate it artificially. You could use VB and winforms.

@kbhasi

Жыл бұрын

@@HikikomoriDev That would work for Windows 3.x where there wasn't a standard, but Windows 95 introduced a unified battery gauge without device manufacturers having to make their own utilities or use an 'information panel', so I'd rather have emulated APM for older OSes or emulated ACPI for newer OSes, but what you mentioned for Windows 3.x and early Linux distro guests.

I've been playing with an Apple IIGS I've had stored for years. I had luckily learned about the PRAM battery and RIFA cap situations to replace those components before any real damage, the PRAM battery definitely leaked but it all cleaned up nicely with 99% isopropanol. Definitely going to enjoy this old machine while it still works!

One thing I have found that works great on rubberized plastic that get gummy is to get a can of Matte clear spray paint I disassemble/mask off the parts you dont want sprayed and paint them. I have a number of Old Dell laptops that got sticky n the cases and palm rests... I took them apart hit them with 2 very ight coats of Clear and they look and feel like new.

If this video doesn’t make you feel old I don’t know what will. I grew up with most of those products and I remember fondly of seeing them on the shelves brand new😢

Its also a good idea to be prepared to replace capacitors (all types) as they are the most likely of components to degrade from lack of use. Most analogue circuits are repairable if you have the know-how.

@dungeonseeker3087

Жыл бұрын

Disagree, solid caps like tantalums don't really degrade and electrolytic caps from pre 1990 are also generally fine as well. Bad caps (AKA the capacitor plague) started in the early 90s and right now its killing everything from Game Gears to big box Amigas. Preventative maintenance should only be done if its 100% required otherwise you risk ripping pads off trying to replace caps that don't actually need replacing. Edit - also kinda obvious but its worth mentioning, if you are replacing leaky caps be EXTRA careful when removing them as the fluid is corrosive and will almost certainly have eaten away at the pads making them much easier to rip off.

@mudi2000a

Жыл бұрын

There is some time , late 1990s, and 2000s, where a lot of bad caps have been used which then bulge. I also had a Dell Pentium 4, similar to the one in the video, albeit with a larger case. That completely broke down due to caps issues after only a few years of use. Actually Dell had a recall / mainboard swap program in place but at that time, I lived in a country where this could not be done and I did not have the possibility to bring it elsewhere, and so it eventually failed.

@Wochensau

Жыл бұрын

@@mudi2000a Pentium 4 mainboards are notorious for their leaky caps. That also goes for original Intel boards, it's not a Dell issue.

@gamagama69

Жыл бұрын

@@dungeonseeker3087 caps from after the plague tho are fine for the most part i thought

@gqinc1202

Жыл бұрын

@dungeonseeker3087 it sister start it the 90s it was just worse in the 90s, electrolytic capacitors basically will fail eventually, look into antique radios for example, it's the #1 failure

Yeah, that is Apple Quality right there. They cost 3 to 4 times as much as Atari or Commodores back in the day, yet the Ataris and Commodores still work flawlessly now. My Commodore 64 that I got in Christmas 1982 still runs perfectly. As does my TI 99 4/a, Atari XEGS, Commodore 128 and Atari 520ST. My Turbografx16 and Sega Genesis seem to be aging well, too.

Oh dear! Complicated mechanical parts and batteries are FAILING after thirty years! What a surprise and outrage!

I've worked on repairing a lot of electronics in my lifetime, and it's always been my biggest interest. While I'm aware of the effects of aging on components like this, it still made me sad. Having it laid out like this gave me a Sisyphus crisis lol. Great video though!

@themecha47

5 ай бұрын

you are not sysyphus. Anything that rescues any thing from E waste is a godsend for earth.

To me looks like humidity problems IT might be a good idea to store all your PC's with a anti humidity solution .. either sillica sachets (when you get in new shoes box ) or any absorber.

@redpheonix1000

Жыл бұрын

Having a dehumidifier on a timer is also not a bad idea, it's what I do myself

@dustinschings7042

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I collect a ton of old laptops and I don't have this issue. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but seeing him pull out all of his machines that were pristine previously and now junk, it makes me wonder how cool/dry his storage area really is. There seems to be a common theme with everything he showed in the video, and it is that they were all stored in the same area.

@aaron___6014

Жыл бұрын

Just store them in a conditioned room.

@nigelrhodes4330

Жыл бұрын

@@aaron___6014 LCD screens delaminate no matter how they are stored, one of the reasons I don't collect later machines. Plasma displays have their own issues so even early laptops are a pain. You can sometimes find modern displays that can be adapted to work on these old systems but the time and effort required is often not worth it.

@carmichaelmoritz8662

Жыл бұрын

@@nigelrhodes4330 the problems come from when people use harsh cleaners on their items.

I am currently opening & attemping to repair some vintage point and shoot cameras cameras (1979 - 2000). The most common, nearly unfixable killers: 1.) Removable batteries left inside the battery compartment leaking and destroying the boards 2.) Faulty flash condensators leading to smoldering or shorts when attempting to use or repair the camera (v/ dangerous!) 3.) Moisture - wrong storage in humid condition leads to funghi in the lenses and corrosion on the electronics and mechanics - can be very hard to repair 4.) UV exposure - with cameras, this can damage or desensitize photodiods, giving inaccurate measurements and bad exposures. v/ hard to find

I’ve got a 1983 magnavox boombox that’s essentially got an equivalent ‘joystick drift’ in the volume knobs. Other than that it still works flawlessly and is a treat to have around.

You know that you became old, when the top notch stuff you once knew, is now vintage stuff from a museum.

Thanks for taking the time to make a video about this topic. It's reminded me that I need to check all of my old(ish) computers. And thanks as well for having an epilepsy warning before showing what I assume was a computer screen flashing very quickly. While I don't have epilepsy, I've got a similar condition that makes me incredibly sensitive to any strobing.

@dieseldragon6756

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully I don't have a condition affected by flickering images, but I rewound the video to see how I'd missed the epilepsy warning you've highlighted here. ⏪ Turns out it's quite easy to miss if you have subtitles turned on! ⚠

Imagine a world where tech was built for the long haul, with accessible ways to manage replacing volatile parts

@FalconWindblader

Жыл бұрын

Advancement would come at a much slower pace as a cost. advancements of any kind consume resources, & with tech stuff, A LOT of them, & the funds for it need to come from somewhere. if companies can't get enough money from selling stuff to fuel the required R&D, they do really have no choice but to keep pumping out or maintaining the old stuff. as such, in a world where tech was built for the long haul, you'd have stuff that has nearly identical specs to those that came out like10 years ago. much as i dig durability & reduction of e-waste, i'm not sure if i'd like to be in a world where new stuff that comes out in 2030 is pretty much the same thing as those that comes out in 2015.

Sad. I have a Panasonic radio from 1970 that still works fine, as well as a 1915 Victrola record player which also works fine. I also have a 1940s/50s tube radio which needs repair, but I'm sure it just needs a tube replaced, the structure of Bakelite and metal is not deteriorating at all and all components can be replaced or fixed with a soldering iron.

The capacitor problem isn't just general ageing: it's mostly that there was a batch of capacitors that were used across the spectrum of electronic devices, but especially PCs, that had a fault that unfortunately didn't show itself until some time after they'd been fitted to things. Devices made before that batch was used, or after, usually are OK. (OK, _very_ old wireless sets from the valve [tube] era often have capacitors that have lost their function, though they don't actually usually _leak_ , just lose their function.)

@michaelstanley5215

4 ай бұрын

That isn't it at all. There was the low quality electrolytics that were made when production moved from Japan to China, but all electrolytics will degrade over time and need to be replaced. There are also other types that are known not to age well.

@G6JPG

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelstanley5215 I'm pretty sure there was one particular bad batch (where the fault didn't show until some time after assembly into boards), though; it may indeed have coincided with (or even been a result of) the move to China. But I think it ended, or we'd still be hearing about it: I think the fault showed after a year or less.

@michaelstanley5215

4 ай бұрын

@@G6JPG Nope. The problem stopped when they went back to using Japanese made capacitors and then forced better quality control on the Chinese component manufacturers. 'Japanese made capacitors' was a major marketing point for PC components for a long time after that, some are still using it.

@G6JPG

4 ай бұрын

​@@michaelstanley5215 OK, maybe it wasn't one bad batch as such. But it definitely was such that the fault did not show up until well after the caps in question had been assembled into boards, and those boards passed test - it was an unusual mid-bathtub failure. Yes, I remember the "Japanese" claim - as you say, I think some are still saying it.

@michaelstanley5215

4 ай бұрын

@@G6JPG Wrong again - how do you manage it? The failures started occurring quickly, Dell (for example) tried to deny the problem existed and kept the repairs quiet until it became obvious there was a huge problem and they had to replace or repair all of the PCs with those caps. This was before the Internet became an everyday thing for people and you could still do this. Dell knew there was a problem from the beginning but chose to ship the products anyway and handle any failure under warranty - after all they couldn't ALL be bad, could they?

I would be careful about opening up failed hard drives, dust particles tend to me larger than the normal distance between the read write head and the platter and its why they have to be opened in a clean room or one of those smaller 'mini-clean rooms'.

@meatpockets

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was a really ballsy thing to do. I remember around the 2000s some thought it would be cool to have windows on hard drives and the recommended procedure was to do it in a steamy room. If you ever see an image comparison of the drive head vs. dust or hair it's huge.

@jonathantan2469

Жыл бұрын

I worked at a hard disk drive production plant, and yes, dust & also particles from your body that are too small to see can cause a head crash. That's why we suited up & the whole plant used laminar airflow with HEPA filters, raised flooring, and airlocks.

Vinegar syndrome is quite an annoying cosmetic (and smelly) issue. I recently published a video fixing this issue on my iBook G3 Clamshell, just by replacing the polarizing film, in case it helps someone. Let's take care of these devices so they can last for a long time!

On the sticky rubberized phenomenon... paper towels dabbed in some isopropyl alcohol, you rub it right off with that and leaves no residue. And electronics from around 2001 and up suffer a lot from the 'stolen capacitor formula' problem, many devices have failed because of faulty capacitors from that era. Relatively easy fix with a soldering iron, but annoying nonetheless