so onto 4.3, and I'm very excited! I will probably make Navia a new main.. 🤔 and all the new QoL, can't forget those!

@elmervelazquez3549

7 ай бұрын

Hello jamie, you recommed me pull for ayaka or navia ? My only main dps is heizou, my 5 stars are furina, yelan, jean, diluc, qiqi

The thing I like most about Furina is the fact that she gives a new team option to pretty much every character or archetype in the game

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

yep, even if it may not actually turn out to be stronger, having more variety to play is always nice 😀

@tristanmanalo6252

7 ай бұрын

​@@jamiekb9vikr! My lvl 90 qiqi now is very happy with her 😅😅😅

The biggest winner when furina came out is the abyss card that heals u when u press Q

Btw jamie, for the people whom are just shy off one rotating coppelia, you can swap to pneuma from furina(heal mod) and normal attack coppelia. This causes coppelia to have a decreased res for about 6 seconds. So get your dps after that

Personally the most interesting and suprising thing about Furina thet we at last can do non-cringe forward vape teams. (Sorry Barbara mains) I think it is pretty exciting thet I can play as example Yanfei in a way where her lower multiplyers are less a problem because she doesn't have to be the one who triggering the reaction, but because she recive a lot of external buffs, like Kazuha, Bennet and Furina she still do good damage in tandem with Furina's vapes.

@putent9623

7 ай бұрын

That's actually a W point

I was pleasantly surprised by the performance of that Raiden team. I think the biggest strength of that team is lowering er reqs which can allow Yelan and Furina to use their signatures to massively increase their damage and with more vertical investment I can see it being insane in single target content 🤔

@kingdoom5022

7 ай бұрын

I think wanderer is better than raiden in this team if you have constellation 2 or 4 jean

@nikumilotic1333

7 ай бұрын

​@@kingdoom5022no straight no Raiden increase burst dmg and restores energy to the whole party Plus raiden can function without any shield or interruption buff due to her infinite poise

@ixirion

7 ай бұрын

@@kingdoom5022 Not that it will be bad but dont think so. electrocharge is not to be underestimated, Raiden allows much less ER and Scara will have less buffs so he will be much smaler portion of the dmg. for Wanderer Beny buff -> 1400 att thats around 60-70% true dmg increase Faru c6 30% anemo res shred, 40% anemo dmg + 200 att from ToM + higher personal dmg is bigger buff than Jean's Jean C2 is also weak buff for invested wanderer cos he has 30% att speed if C4 Jean/I wish I had her/ the best Wanderer team may be Wanderer/Furina/Beny/Jean on Freedom sworn. You will have sunfire that will alow many Furina vapes without hurting Scara dmg. quite possibly Faru on Elegy for Wanderer enhtusiast like me I would rec to try a very fun team Wanderer/Furina fav/Faru on TotM or VV aand Chalotte on NO+TTDS go freeze the world!!

@alpha4935

7 ай бұрын

@@nikumilotic1333 Wanderer does function without a shield if you don't have skill issues.

@nikumilotic1333

7 ай бұрын

@@alpha4935 you are coping With that comment I hate when people like you say this type of stuff We know that it's not impossible but it's also not optimal Team building is about optimalism

From my own experience, furina has been an upgrade for double hydro hu tao teams. I find it clearing similar to my vv vape, so i've been using furina double hydro teams alot more now than vv vape, personally have never been a big fan of vv vape hu tao teams, i just hate the energy issues that I find myself running into. I also think that there's still a lot of room to grow, namely having a better healer, like a new anemo healer that groups, so u don't have to use characters like JEAN or deal with circle impact stuff with bennett. Also, specifically compared to older double hydro teams, I believe there is more room for vertical investment, like having a key on furina, furina cons, stuff like that.

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

yep, I discussed that more in my previous video, but I definitely think hu tao furina has much room to grow in the future. particularly more synergistic teammates

I'm happy with her performance with Noelle, it's a very comfy team with a lot of damage :D

while not being a direct upgrade over hutao vv vape in term of dps, hutao double hydro with furina is very easy to play and hard to fk up.

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

yeah it can be easier to play for sure. personally I think hu tao, zhongli, yelan, xingqiu is the easiest hu tao team to play with a lot of QoL. very casual clear friendly

So a few things that I can contribute as a C6 owner for those who are thinking about saving for her Rerun, or, to grab a constellation per rerun, and wanting to know if saving 170 pulls-ish is worth it. Firstly, I think she's fantastic at C0, however, remember that for each of her constellations, it's essentially a team boost so the power of each constellation is not just for herself, but for her entire team. So what about each constellation? Constellation 1: this one is absolutely fantastic, you get basically a fully powered 1k EM level Kazuha buff for free on ult activation that doesn't require any setups whatsoever. It's free. You also get to boost it up to 100 percent total damage boost as the cap is increased...again, for THE ENTIRE team...AT ONCE, not just ONE unit like Kazuha's buff (or two with double swirl). On field, off field...doesn't matter. This is ridiculous as it's literally 2 and a half goblet's worth of damage boost at once. Constellation 2: This is a HUGE one and honestly, equally on part with Nahida's C2 (and imho, more powerful than it). This gives Furina max stacks nearly instantly for the full duration of her buff which is disgusting. It also gives Furina a GIGANTIC boost for her HP, essentially I've seen Furinas with like 100k HP with this. I think a more reasonable amount is like 60k or 70k or so. What this does is allow EVERY ability she has that scales off of HP whatsoever to hit that much harder, including skill, ult, and C6 autos. This synergizes well with C1 because you already have a crazy amount of stacks, so it just makes it that much more potent. C2 also synergizes well with C5 and C6. Again...I can't state how good this is. Constellation 3: A 25 percent TEAM damage boost. Not only does her ult hit harder, but it raises the stack cap again through the talent level increase. It's disgustingly good for a C3. Constellation 4: literally solves her energy issues in solo hydro teams. You will always have her ult up no issues, and can run a non ER weapon. You can even passively gain ult charge from Pneuma healing mode even if it over heals. I've literally stood in the middle of nowhere in overworld and have gotten my ult just by having the healing mode out. Constellation 5: probably her "weakest con" but still a monster. Her skill does SO much damage over time it's ridiculous and remember, you've gotten not only C1 and C2's stack boost, but C2's MASSIVE hp boost on top of that, and C3's stack boost from the talent levels all synergizing, with a Crit weapon because C4 allows you to ditch ER pretty much except for substats. I've seen her skill hits vape for like 600k to 700k with an average of like a 400k vape hit on the crab ALONE. It's disgusting. C6: You've seen the showcases. It's real. Her damage in Pneuma is more than most teams with an entire rotation. It's disturbingly powerful for a mere 6 hits. It's broken. It's god mode. Now, the thing that I want to touch on that so many don't realize is that her C6 Ousia mode does less damage with the strikes, but they are still REALLY strong...the thing that I want to emphasize is that her TEAM HEALING is RIDICULOUS. LIKE IT IS DISGUSTING with how powerful it is. Literally the best healer in the game. I'm not even using hyperbole. 4k Heal ticks PER TICK for SEVENTEEN SECONDS if you use her ult, stack it, then skill and hit with it to get all of the HP buffs. It's absurd how good it is. WHAT YOU DONT REALIZE BY THIS: You can run a FULL TEAM of DAMAGE DEALERS and SUBDPS with NO penalty. This frees you from the shackles of teambuilding. You can literally use w/e you want and never be in danger of dying. THIS DOESNT EVEN TOUCH ON THE FACT THAT FURINA ALSO ENABLES MARE HUNTER ON ALL UNITS. She's worth it. The most "worth" character to put constellations on in the game and I sincerely doubt that HYV will every top these cons

@Merquitarika

7 ай бұрын

Hell naw she ain't worth 7 characters lol you're just overhyping everything about her kit. I'd do the same if I spent whatever amount needed for a C6 tho, gotta justify to oneself that huge waste 😂

@loreyxillumina

7 ай бұрын

I don't know about you but If I can make any character good with her in any constellation then what is 7 characters who will probably gonna get power creeped soon infront of her majesty​@@Merquitarika

@loreyxillumina

7 ай бұрын

I am also will be pulling for her cons 2, currently at 30 pity with 10 pulls not guaranteed. But I have a lot of time since 4.6. So maybe c4 if I am lucky.

@marcusaurelius4777

7 ай бұрын

This is one of the most low IQ statements ever. You understand that after a while, you no longer need new units, right? So vertical investment becomes more important. Answer me this: How many characters have you benched after pulling them? You're a liar. You're lying. Whatever number you have in your head, you're lying. The only characters that have such huge usage rates would be Nahida, Kazuha, Zhongli, Yelan perhaps, and Xinqiu with Bennett. After a while, it no longer matters to a person to "pull every unit at C0". So what? You have a ton of benched, weak units that are half built? Somehow that's better than a handful of favorites that are really strong? If you said an R5 WEAPON was not worth multiple copies, I'd agree with you without a doubt. If you said that most constellations in the game aren't worth pulling except for a handful of C1 and C2's...I'd agree with you. Furina is different, you dummy. She's a subdps buffer that has healing, ridiculous damage, and an insane, universal buff that applies to every character you have on a team that allows for not only consolidation, but to have a literal team of four damage dealers that no other character enables. NO other characters can do this. Not Kazuha, with his rather mid buff that only really shines because he's anemo and can use VV which only buffs one element at a time, two, if you do some jank setups, that doesn't even have full uptime because of swapping...the grouping is why he's so good, nothing else. Nahida? She only works in Dendro teams. She can function outside of them, and still deal good damage, but she's locked into dendro. Furina has NO weaknesses like this on top of having INSANE constellations. She's truly worth whaling for or saving for. No other character meets this at all. I think C6 Wanderer, but he's a dps. A damn great dps, but a dps nonetheless. Furina can be slotted into legit any team and do wonders for it. She makes my C6 Ningguang look like a monster and single handedly ressurected Noelle from meme status where she could do decently as a slight Itto downgrade, to where now she literally is better than him in some cases. Please stop with that. You are a Zajef fanboy because you parrot his ridiculous notion against spending or saving and investing in a unit. Stop embarrassing yourself, please. @@Merquitarika

@Merquitarika

7 ай бұрын

@@loreyxillumina You can make any character good with proper team building, you don't need Furina for that. And what powercreep are you talking about? The one that after 3 and a half years still lets me 36* abyss with Diluc? 🤔

I literally cannot stop putting Furina and Baizhu together in my teams.

Just found your channel, love this kind of content. Hope you do well!

Loving furina as a character and as a unit especially in my eula team. Glad to have stuck it out with eula cause furina makes her physical hyper carry so much better even against the high phys res enemies. The hp drain keeps you on your toes cause swapping to raiden to burst, i have to go to pneuma furina sometimes to keep her alive but it's worth it for the team's insane performance. Eula/furina/raiden/mika lets you do showcase numbers in actual combat and it's awesome. Overrall, furina has justified my time as a day one eula main while also letting me appreciate the strength of other team comps. I didn't need any new units since like 2 years ago and furina hammered that nail down. I am officially free of fomo thanks to her XD

I picked her c2 and c0 on two of my accs. I got donutted on the signature, other than that she is the most fun in genshin i have had in like 3 years. Also thanks for the heal swap .i put her in kuki /bennet pairings a lot , and that extra bit of healing is really nice to have

Kokomi Furina Fischl Kazuha has been my go-to, it's just so comfortable to play and does great damage

7:52 i just checked Akasha and ppl who used Furina + Hu Tao have a higher Full Star clear than those who didn't use Furina in their Hu Tao team. So just because they aren't using Furina, doesn't mean she isn't optimal. It could be very well mean these people just don't know how to slot in Furina or play her in those said teams. Hence, I don't think we should use those samples as an indication of the evolution of certain teams. And teams that uses Furina + Neuv is going to steal away Furina from the other side, there might be some influence there.

While using Furina, C2 Klee, PA Sucrose and Bennett, I got accustomed to using one Klee E in between Furina and Sucrose in the rotation, which would trigger the C2 and often make a hydro infusion on Sucrose's Q to increase Furina's damage. I've been practicing it quite many times in the Golden Troupe domain and gotten times between 40s-60s Also, Prototype Amber on Sucrose makes it easier to get fanfare, alongside Bennett's healing

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

cool kleerina testing!

@xelementalsupreme9308

7 ай бұрын

@@jamiekb9v Thanks :DDD Once I finish working on some projects, I'll record how it performs in Abyss

@AbhishekSingh-nq4rh

7 ай бұрын

​​@@xelementalsupreme9308hey! Another pa sucrose user. I have been using pa sucrose along with Bennet xiangling and furina in forward vape. I got around 1:27 in the gt domain due to my characters not having complete build but seeing those 50k vapes from her is so much fun.

I havent activated my C2 so I can feel the c0 experience and overall she is very nice. I use her in Mono Hydro Furina, XQ, Yelan and Jean and Nuevillette and it is satisfying to play. I will try Eula with her once I build Mika and then Activate C2

It's the first time I pulled cons for a 5* (consciously, anyway, since I got albedo c1 by "mistake"). I definitely don't regret it, and in fact I might eventually c6 her. I love everything about her!

My only regrets is not having festering desire. My Furina has Fav 35631hp 79.4/133.9 crit 190.4er with hp/h2o/crit rate artifacts and seems okay even if I have like 4 wasted rolls (1 flat hp, 2 def%, 1 atk%) I wish I could make her better without getting nilou’s key 😅

@eclipseeffigy

7 ай бұрын

The fishing sword is about on par with r3 festering, you're only the slightest bit behind for not having it.

@alth18

7 ай бұрын

fav is kinda nice

@joeltoomer3332

7 ай бұрын

Just fish for the Fontaine sword, it’s just as good

That is a insanely build Furina! Congrats kb!

At C0 she may not be "the best support" such as for Hu Tao in fact it's hard to stack her burst requiring a very good healer for "only" 75% bonus dmg and you may as well skip her. At C3+ she shits on every other support in the game with 124% bonus dmg which you stack as easy as having 1 person with pAmber

@luminous3558

7 ай бұрын

She is hutaos best support even at c0. You play hu tao, yelan, furina, bennett. Bennett overheals the active character and triggers furinas ascension passive and you swap through the team to make faster stacks. Hu tao teams didnt have an easy time including an anemo anyways so this is just free upgrade.

@Zythroxes

7 ай бұрын

​@@luminous3558no she isnt.. she's a good support but what hutao already had is just better, xingqiu yelan kazuha/sucrose hutao double hydro or the vv vape variants which are absolutely absurd bennett hutao kazuha and xingqiu/yelan

@Zythroxes

7 ай бұрын

With that being said you can run furina jean yelan hutao and probably get some solid results but idk how it'll fair in comparison to her other comps (her best one is still vv vape with kazuha bennett xingqiu/yelan)

@netparse

7 ай бұрын

@@luminous3558 she is not. vv tao with kazuha/bennet is still her best team, even between furina C3 vs kazuha C2 for hutao, I think kazuha C2 allows you to advance so much damage that it ends up being better, my furina C3 has similar clear times to my kazuha C0.

Nilou Furina definitely works for me, I can use either Baizhu or Kokomi for healer and more hydro is good for this abyss since the shield is pyro.

For Overworld and other times her team drain is annoying: Put Baizhu on the team. His team healing requires no ER. Also, you are now primed to create a dendro team and you have a shield. I run fav on Bizhu which helps her and his ER - support Baizhu is good here.

@manday2267

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, also when you collect “flowers” he heal you by the asked amount, which's goood!

About Hu tao, I've been using a triple Hydro team with furina and I'm getting excellent results with it. The trick is to run 4 piece maiden beloved set with HB circlet and R5 prototype amber on mona, my mona has some comps so she gives omen, heals around 30% HP party wide with extra vaporize and crit rate on omen enemies, burst on every rotation and allows max fan fares. Yelan/Hutao/Furina/Mona has been really strong and also allows hu tao to run 4 piece MH set and be normally low HP for her passive to trigger. The only downside is that sometimes I have to do the burst mid rotation against very damaging bosses like the dancing robots.

@Zythroxes

7 ай бұрын

You are better off running jean in slot of mona

I think Raiden's best team is Kazuha and XQ/Yelan. Very easy to double swirl, Xingqiu can use a crit 5 star weapon and not worry about ER and his damage reduction makes Raiden feel like an unkillable tank in burst. I do have c2 Raiden and c1 Yelan so kind of standard "high" investment? it's very fun and is amazing in single target and aoe

I think saying Furina isn't an upgrade for Hu Tao based on CN "low cost" speedruns is pretty bad. If you go off the speedruns, 0 field time Childe is better than Furina. So are you going to recommend to the average player that they pull Childe to upgrade their Neuv teams? These speedruns are based on reaching thresholds fastest with frontloaded dmg that is already way above the DPS check. VV Vape has more frontloaded dmg and you never have to deal with the 2nd rotation or how awkward it can be in AoE. It doesn't make it overall better or more recommendable to the average player, there's a reason most ppl played Double Hydro before anyways. That doesn't even mention how flawed looking at "low cost" runs are when comparing teams. The top clears often borrow accounts, accounts only play 1 team and literally max refresh resin to get better artifacts, they use booking, funnel energy from the top half, not to mention these categories with 4* being "0 cost" are completely made up. Trying to use them to recommend or compare is just... bad

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

it's not just about speedruns though. losing zhonglis shielding, kazuha/sucrose grouping, or even xingqiu's interupt resist to play various furina teams is also losing key QoL things that can affect more casual play too. so many potential downsides without the upside of potentially higher dps is quite important. I mention those in my videos too.

@2bainz

7 ай бұрын

@@jamiekb9v Yeah, there can be some QoL concerns. But just from my own testing and calcs, the Furina double hydro teams overall do more dmg than past double hydro variants. So ppl would just have to think about the trade off between dmg and comfort (XQ is always an option). There are situations where lack of grouping can be a downside of course. But all in all, for me I would say Furina is an upgrade, but you'd have to be aware of the tradeoffs too

I've been enjoying using her on Neuvi's team, granted her ER is a bit low (44.1%) and if I gave her an ER weapon, her crit rate would sit on 30-ish%

If Cloud Retainer turns out to have a bit of grouping and heals similarly to Jean or enough to help Furina get her Fanfare stacks, then the Raiden/Furina/Yelan team would become even stronger.

I've been running Neuv C0 (gonna get his C1 later on his rerun) along with Furina C0 (also gonna get her C2 later on), Kazuha, and Charlotte (TGS team). But it seems that team isn't really popular, so I think I'm gonna swap Charlotte with Zhongli. The fact that rotation with Charlotte which came from TGS kind of complicated doesn't help either. So I want to know how to "rotation" with Neuv C0, Furina C0, Zhongli, and Kazuha.

Man, your build is what I wish mine was lol. You have 3k more hp, 7 more cr, 29 more crd, and 13 more er than mine. Golden troupe has consistently been unlucky for me.

when chevreuse comes out can you test her, raiden, xiangling and sara?

played since 1.6 but still waiting for a jean

4:03 Assuming your statement that furina/yelan/bennett isnt as widely popular as the other double hydro variants is true, I think the main reason is more to do with how unintutive the swapping rotation is to figure out or use for an average player. It isnt as straight forward rotation like xq/yelan/kaz or zl. In terms of speedrunning tho, it'd probably be used more often in abyss lineups that previously favor xq/yelan teams . That one consecrated beast abyss is a good example

@Zythroxes

7 ай бұрын

They were comparing it to vv vape with yelan kazuha and bennett which is why they said it wasn't as worthwhile, essentially hutao furina is good just like double hydro previously but not the same speedrun level as vv vape

@AweRQ-fs9mu

7 ай бұрын

@@Zythroxes There have been some abyss cycles where double hydro is the ideal comp to run. Saying vv vape is solely the best speedrun team is wrong. Abyss lineups matter here

Hi Jaime. Great video, but i didn't really understand what you meant by wholesale changes. Can someone please explain?

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

wholesale changes meaning having to change more than 1 teammate. I did get it kinda right since many ppl are playing baizhu furina. But in practice, I underestimated that she can easily (and popularly) fit in just replacing 1 (replace either xiangling or zhongli)

@Inj2Moves

7 ай бұрын

@@jamiekb9v got it. Thank you.

The game became so ridiculously easy that I don't feel a difference at all. Neuvillette used to obliterate floor 12. Now with Furina, he also obliterates floor 12... The same goes for A LOT of teams. Hu Tao annihilates everything with almost any character in her team. Double hydro, just 1 hydro + zhongli/bennett/kazuha/fischl/proto amber, whatever. We REALLY need floors 13-16 in the abyss and at least WL 10. The game would be so much better if it was a bit more challenging

Furina would have been an upgrade to ayaka teams if charlotte particle generation wasn't as bad. And also long duration of pets makes it harder to swirl cryo sometimes.

Furina is awesome! She's a better healer than I thought she was going to be. She does really good in my nilou, nahida, and her team. Found just her and Yoimiya is a slaughter fest, and really like running her with just Ayaka. She made my fun team way better it's raiden, ayaka, hu tao, and furina. I go raiden e, furina e burst few hits to heal, ayaka e burst, hu tao e instant burst, raiden burst and bosses crumble lol.

@Zythroxes

7 ай бұрын

Furina isn't really a healer she's a buffer that uses a healer to actually buff the team

@MrJayslayerjay

7 ай бұрын

@@Zythroxes she's c6 she maxes it by herself in like 3 of her healing hits in a full team. In the duos it just takes longer. Sorry guess I should have stated it but I said I used her healing hits.

Hi what are your opinions on wanderer with Furina?

Ok, we can all agree that she is good at C0 and can be a sidegrade in teams if you need some units elsewhere. But, can you say that C2-3 Furina is undoubtedly better supprot in most teams she can be played?

I will say that furina is great with nuevillte but mostly at c1 nuevillte but even if u do use c1 Nuevi using Jean isn’t every effective I used Jean in place of kazuha and the damage went down to nearly the same as my old neuvillte team with kazuha the man himself kuki and c2 Barbra but replacing Jean with kazuha and getting another team wide healer like charlotte makes the team a lot better

@mickysaif

7 ай бұрын

true my f2p neuvilette already does well with childe support so i never have a reason to get her

@jj6148

7 ай бұрын

@@mickysaif I'm pretty sure she is a decent damage increase from Childe, but Neuvillette does so much damage that it doesn't really matter (in terms of being able to clear things like abyss.

@mickysaif

7 ай бұрын

@@jj6148 yes she's increased dmg but I prefer childe because I don't even need to swap into him kekw

She's an upgrade for hu tao , alhaitham , lyney , wanderer , xiao , wriothesley , neuvellite , Noelle , raiden , kokomi , ganyu , ayaka , eula , itto etc , the only characters i don't she's an upgrade in the game is nilou and tartagila

@tristanmanalo6252

7 ай бұрын

Bruhh you forgot Diluc, Keqing and Tighnari. Not to mention even Dehya 😅😅😅

@manday2267

7 ай бұрын

@@tristanmanalo6252 But he said “etc..” my brother. 🙂

The ramp up speed with bennet for Furina is still copium speed... majority still uses Jean/Charlotte rather than bennet

What's the raiden build for the raiden furina jean yelan team? just normal crit stuff?

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

Yes normal stats like er crit atk

7:51 literally almost all result showed furina is paired with strong healers....

I won 50:50 for her 3 times. With my f2p gems. She will forever be in my teams.

Furina is a good buffer at low investment, I would argue even better than Bennett.

I regret wasting primos on her signature weapon

6:26 How does Yanfei perform in this kind of team?

@alexschmidt3034

7 ай бұрын

Rather nice as I have seem as either she or Furina will do lots of vape hits.

One slight nitpick with this video is the lack of Baizhu and Cyno mention. Granted, u don’t play them anyway so it’s fine ig.

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

yep I wanted to keep this video shorter and only focus on key things i really learned

What do u think about her as an only hydro unit in Ayaka Freeze teams?

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

doesn't seem that impressive so far, but importantly she does allow you to play charlotte, which lowers the freeze team cost (kazuha, furina, charlotte), which is nice. in comparison, the premium ayaka team (kazuha, kokomi, shenhe), used 3 limited 5 stars which not everyone had.

@DoctorWho777

7 ай бұрын

@@jamiekb9v thanks for answering! Also… nice work as always! Keep going!

@wagnowwerneck1376

7 ай бұрын

​@@jamiekb9vApparently someone in the CN community managed to find a rotation where using ttds Charlotte and swirling both cryo and hydro is possible. I wonder if you've seen it, it's on the Ayaka reddit sub. I always thought that not being able to use ttds very well was the main thing holding the team back. Is Furina still not a upgrade for Ayaka even with ttds Charlotte?

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

@@wagnowwerneck1376 I did see it, though IIRC it did seem to have tons of fragility and flaws though. they needed to do booking!? especially compared to shenhe kazuha kokomi which is very flexible and braindead to setup. I'll check it out again

@wagnowwerneck1376

7 ай бұрын

@@jamiekb9v Yeah, the booking part can be quite annoying, but considering that it is mainly done to reduce ER reqs, I don't think it is impossible to adapt the rotation so that booking is not necessary. For example, by using Charlotte QE and then Ayaka dash N1 burst immediately after switching to her so that she can catch Charlotte's particles, wouldn't that already help a lot with Ayaka's ER reqs?

she doesn't make existing teams stronger, she just gives more team options. constellations however are a different story

@areweevensomeoneoutthere

6 ай бұрын

She doesn't even make them stronger to be honest, healers are really bad on this game.

An underrated furina team that got massively buff in my opinion is furina triple geo with itto , as long as you have constellation 4 gorou its the best team in the game for itto

@Merquitarika

7 ай бұрын

Bruh what, C4 gorou healing is ass and only for the on fielder. Furina and Itto don't work well together, why do you think Noelle > Itto now?

@kingdoom5022

7 ай бұрын

@@Merquitarika You are forgetting that overheal from gorou will activate furina passive and heals the team

@Merquitarika

7 ай бұрын

@@kingdoom5022 Still not enough. People are building Bennett full HP and HB just so they can play them together and you think Gorou is anywhere near enough? It might be enough to not die, but that's not the only reason team wide healers are the go to with Furina, building a lot of stacks and doing so quickly is key for her to be worth it.

@kingdoom5022

7 ай бұрын

@@Merquitarika Its enough to make furina skill do max damage , also itto 4th option are all mid so furina is much better than any character else

@Merquitarika

7 ай бұрын

@@kingdoom5022 Nah, she also mid for Itto.

I wasted too many primos on her c2 and because i used my trusty travelers sword as fodder more than a year ago, i also wasted some money on bp so i could play her solo with black sword and atk/physbonus/crit Marechussee. its dogs*** and nobody should ever do it but its funny.

What do you think about ayaka Charlotte kazuha furina teamcomp?

@loreyxillumina

7 ай бұрын

Coming from a furina main, it is a pretty good comp, just don't miss Ayaka burst and constantly use her skill. I would play the team like: Furina skill and burst -> Kazuha skill and burst to group and swirl hydro->Charlotte burst-> Ayaka burst and skill-> Charlotte skill (switch quickly to Charlotte to catch cryo particles)-> Kazuha skill to battery Furina. Then do the rotation again

@no-do4pv

7 ай бұрын

Its probably skill issue but personally im not a huge fan of this team because Charlotte is too squishy and ends up either dead or on life support even though the enemy barely damaged her.

@loreyxillumina

7 ай бұрын

@@no-do4pv My Charlotte uses hp sands to combat her squishy-ness.

@no-do4pv

7 ай бұрын

@@loreyxillumina thats a good idea, I didn't even think of that.

@gasparbaigorria5103

7 ай бұрын

@@no-do4pv I play her with a high level ttds so I have decent base attack + the hp substat

She's a perfectly balanced unit. Mihoyo designed her to elevate a lot of mid carries like Cyno, Klee, Eula, Ganyu, Kokomi while not making carries who were already well established such as Hu Tao, Ayaka even stronger with Furina. I think it's enough for her to be considered top tier.

@tristanmanalo6252

7 ай бұрын

You forgetting Diluc and Keqing 😅😅😅

@luminous3558

7 ай бұрын

She literally raised the ceiling on every top meta team by like 10-20% but people will call it a sidegrade.

@Zythroxes

7 ай бұрын

​@luminous3558 not the majority, the very meta teams overall didn't change much with her, but she made mid teams pretty good!

@Matthew-qt3jk

7 ай бұрын

​@@luminous3558Because you're still referring to outdated Furina sheets from jstern which were overinflated to begin with. In reality, Furina only raises the ceiling for units like Alhaitham, Cyno, Klee, Wriothesley who can be now at 70k dps range or close to it (c0 klee in particular) while she's only a sidegrade to Yoimiya, Hu Tao vv vape and that's if you actually play Bennett with Furina over Jean. Ayaka still prefers Shenhe for her overall ceiling while for c0 Neuvillette, Furina is only a mild upgrade over his teams with 3rd stack which isn't bad but not what people expected.

I think she's the best character in the game , 80% of all meta teams DPS ceiling got higher cause of her

@jamiekb9v

7 ай бұрын

she's strong but personally i don't think that number is anywhere near true in practice

@kingdoom5022

7 ай бұрын

@@jamiekb9v Its 100% true , she's an upgrade for hu tao , alhaitham , lyney , wanderer , xiao , wriothesley , neuvellite , Noelle , kokomi , ganyu , ayaka , eula , itto etc , the only characters i don't she's an upgrade in the game is nilou and tartagila

@Merquitarika

7 ай бұрын

Lmao mf simping hard

@phorealthistime6165

7 ай бұрын

@@kingdoom5022only on paper lol😊

@kingdoom5022

7 ай бұрын

@@phorealthistime6165 Not really , my hu tao , alhaitham , kokomi and ayaka teams all clears faster now

Furina is so mid that I got C1 as a F2P and now saving for C2. Also saving for C1 and R1 for Neuv

I wish your content wasn't so F2P-limited. You seem to be very anti vertical-investment with your teams and I think that skews your results. I don't know what kind of testing you've done but Furina enables my Hu Tao (C3, R1) to reliably put out 130K+ charge attacks which is a considerable increase from double-hydro! We're also 3 years into the game so it is not impossible even for F2Ps to have some constellations for their fave 5 stars if they've been playing for a while. Also, Hoyo has been making signature weapons lately be more optimal and synergistic after having some vertical investment and constellations. Don't fall into the just slap Fave on everybody hype just because that appeals most to your viewer's demographic. The damage baby-numbers are laughable!

She is by far the most underwhelming archon at release, Kazuha is just straight up better in most cases as of now. You are severely under estimating the need for a healer because you are using Kazuha or actual insane buffers like Faruzan.

@kingdoom5022

7 ай бұрын

You can still use kazuha with furina

@nikumilotic1333

7 ай бұрын

She is literally the opposite dude 😂 The most underwhelming archon released was zhongli

@nikumilotic1333

7 ай бұрын

Didn't knew kazuha could give 75 percent dmg buff to whole party With increased healing Plus autonomous offield hydro dmg with nice aoe and ability to run the broken CR set on any dps unit

@serulu3490

7 ай бұрын

Starting to think she was a waste of a pull as well, doesn't really feel like an upgrade in any of my teams I thought archons = broken was a rule by hoyo but it seems like it wasn't, learned my lesson and will pull for the pyro and cryo archons only after if they're actually tested to be good

@areweevensomeoneoutthere

7 ай бұрын

@@nikumilotic1333 His buff + vv still gives an overall bigger damage increase than Furina can bring at max stacks. Her benefits are mostly on how long her buffs last, but overall she has too many downsides and restrictions as an archon in my opinion. Neuvilette on the other hand.. that's a unit, doesn't even need any outside support to be broken.