Check out my video on furina national, I get a lot of feedback from people tried it and they've never had abyss clears be so easy! High damage, super hard to die, and simple to play kzread.info/dash/bejne/hGehs7OtndW7cco.html

@brandonramsaran8312

5 күн бұрын

c0r1 furina or c1 furina and also would you say its better to get c0 furina and c0 yelan than to get c1 furina / save after?

@kindanooby2988

4 күн бұрын

Furina needs ER. Weapon does not give ER, so not as big of a boost compared to other options. C1 is better

@mickysaif

4 күн бұрын

​@@brandonramsaran8312yelan kinda fell off due to furina, atleast xq has his niche for hydro app or defensive option

@brandonramsaran8312

4 күн бұрын

@@mickysaif But she's still worth getting even if I have furina right ?

@mickysaif

4 күн бұрын

@@brandonramsaran8312 maybe if you are a fan of double hydro it's alright but there are so many teams where xq is enough and imo it's more fun to pull characters who enable new stuff

Thanks for highlighting the fact that hydro has not been challenged in 4.x at all. I mean... Besides Tulpa.

Furina is probably the most well-designed character in the game. Super strong without powercreeping anything, she instead created new teams where healers shine and actually helped other units, including Hydros people expected the archon might invalidate. Almost 10/10 kit design, unlike garbage like Neuvillette and Kazuha warping and monopolozing aspects of the game with big margins.

@user-og9nl5mt1b

5 күн бұрын

She is so well designed that her pneuma mode is literally useless 99 percent of the time . Like no she isn't well designed when one of her mode is useless

@threebees7785

5 күн бұрын

​@@user-og9nl5mt1b It's pretty good in the overworld

@nikumilotic1333

5 күн бұрын

​@@user-og9nl5mt1b I'm pretty sure that mode is definitely made in the context of overworld exploration Which is a huge part of the game Her healing mode is also great for new players as they basically have a offield dps with healing build

@djampoucheukap1742

5 күн бұрын

I mean man, you have to revisite your definition of 10/10 design, especially in the context of the game, unlike hsr, having 4 years and that we need some units to force the meta to change, even if the change is radical, and will be balanced afterwards. And that's precisely what Neuvillette and kazuha do

@kashira-0

5 күн бұрын

@@user-og9nl5mt1b Not being able to heal while also doing damage, buffing and applying Hydro at the same time makes her more well-designed if anything, which in the first place refers more to her effect on the game and how she impacted other characters. Furina would still be amazingly designed even if she didn't have a Pneuma mode altogether; but the devs wanted the archon to have both Arkhe alignements for lore and more versatile shield-breaking and in keeping with Hydro's major theme of healing, they gave her an optional healing mode to use outside of combat or in an emergency. I personally think it was a good choice, but whatever you think.

A big benefit of Furina is that she can make most 'Jank' characters shine without much effort. Thanks for the upload\o/

@DefinitelyNotAFerret

4 күн бұрын

Can't wait for some Aloy clears

@mickysaif

4 күн бұрын

furina + xianyun makes everyone a usable dps

@naqibfarhan4356

4 күн бұрын

Overhyping is real in this one^^

@izmif980

4 күн бұрын

@@naqibfarhan4356 its kinda true tho. Furina + xianyun + c6 bennett and you have a vape plunge "dps"

At 19:43 you claim it's because of the Arkhe Furina provides from last abyss, but that's simply not true. Even if you look at B-RI10's previous abyss speedruns with Nilou since Furina came out, he himself said that team has been what has gotten him the fastest times. With C0 Nilou I'm pretty sure that with their runs in mind, that team may well be her best team. And I think it's also very telling from the fact that you didn't even manage to find a counter example for your own point and opting to dodge the question saying "people use a variety of teams" without ever actually mentioning their comparative efficacy.

@kenzoutenma8248

4 күн бұрын

Funny how Jamie, the cope speedrunner won't reply to this

That kokomi team is my go-to for a while now, it's such a satisfying easy rotation, unkillable, very synergistic

@CaCtuSnyan

4 күн бұрын

I got double donut from wanderers weapon banner so now I'm a little tempted to get kokomi for mono hydro 👀

I always appreciate the clarity of your advice; no glazing of characters and no taboo's (on things like vertically investing). I'd like to hear your (updated?) thoughts on Nilou when gets her rerun in light of the Fontaine meta changes.

5:00 Just like how they wanted you to play dendro characters in sumeru & now they'll 100% have cryo shields in natlan so you play pyro characters, poor cryo is gonna have one hell of a time till. snezhnaya

@naqibfarhan4356

4 күн бұрын

Oh double cryo and hydro abyss lectors are so back in natlan

That Kokomi/Futuna/Yelan/Kazuha mono hydro team is one of my favorites to play… I used to run as a taser team with Fischl in Furina’s spot (before her release) and I actually find that variant more fun to play but the offensive and defensive power of this monohydro team is just so strong…

@el7284

5 күн бұрын

I run Fischl instead of Kokomi (don't have her), and the stagger is pretty noticeable

@reactiondavant-garde3391

5 күн бұрын

@@el7284 Who the healer? Xianyun or Jean?

@el7284

5 күн бұрын

@@reactiondavant-garde3391 Jean

@DefinitelyNotAFerret

4 күн бұрын

Have you tried Kokomi Jean YunJin Mika? 🔥

Kokomi mono hydro is my favourite strong team at the moment. So immensely easy to play and very overwhelmingly strong. The equal amounts of comfort and strength are rare and quite welcome when I don't wanna bother with abyss. I wish more people would try it out.

The true strength of Furina is not only how she fits in so many teams as one of the better supports for many dpses, but that she herself creates so many healer teams. Like, you can pair Furina with Qiqi or Kokomi or Baizhu or Xianyun or Charlotte and you can easily clear Abyss without much issue, and all of that with comfort since your characters keep healthy most of the time. Also, Furina's ease of use is immense with her pets following you around, requiring no conditions to attack, and lasting for 30s.

@djampoucheukap1742

5 күн бұрын

Not really, you cant put furina, qiqi and baizhu and expect to clear this 4.7 abyss, it's a straight up lie, because you want have the sufficient dps, But you can replace furina here with neuv, and this time you will be able to clear, you see the problem?

@valhhir

4 күн бұрын

@@djampoucheukap1742 reading comprehension

@lehang5840

4 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@djampoucheukap1742The correct phrase has to be “sufficient element application”, Neuvi can be much better than Furina in breaking pyro shields this abyss with less hiccups.

@djampoucheukap1742

4 күн бұрын

@@lehang5840 won't, rather than want. Sorry for english

@lucasfmhomem

4 күн бұрын

@@djampoucheukap1742 I never said to put these characters together since it's pointless to have Qiqi AND Baizhu in the team. However, one of them is enough. One of my comfiest teams that clear abysses with time to spare is simply Furina (C0), Qiqi and two subdpses, usually Yelan and Kazuha, but it can be Fischl, Beidou, Venti, or whatever is your teste for subdps as long as energy works. Instead of Qiqi, you can use Baizhu and make something like Hyperbloom. Or monohydro with Kokomi. The point is that you don't need the archetypical onfield maindps in these teams.

2024 and people still using users rates as a metric😒

She's very strong undoubtedly, yet I have to go out of my way to find a use for her. Nowadays, I'll just default to one of the Arlecchino archetypes and a Dendro team, most recently Clorinde aggravate. I tried the quickbloom variant with Furina and while it certainly is a decent team, I much prefer Aggravate. Dusted off Wanderer after pulling Jean c4, and tried Faruzan c6 and either Bennett or Furina. The Bennett variant felt much better on 12-1-1 despite the circle impact. If I ever pull Neuvillette, she'll at least have a home on my account cause now she feels kind of lost.

@jamiekb9v

5 күн бұрын

it's certainly not uncommon to be maining two dpses who don't need furina even in their best teams, I've done several account reviews with similar situations to yourself👍

@ABC-yj6cy

4 күн бұрын

Believe me brother, if you ever get neuvillette, there's no going back

@alexferrier5732

4 күн бұрын

Similar situation over here, Furina been on the bench for like 4 months in my account cause the teams I main have no use for her. I main Arlecchino hyper and vape, Furina C0 is a DPS loss and awkward to use in vape compared to XQ/Yelan/C6 Candace, she would need to be C2 to actually be a good addition to an Arle team. Also I main Wrio melt with Benny/XL/Shenhe C2 and Furina C0 is also a slight worse buffer for Wrio than Shenhe is here, not to mention she steals pyro app to vape and we want that pyro for Wrio melting. Finally, I main Childe international, nuff said, that team's composition is set in stone and Furina has no business there, tried replacing Childe for her and DPS loss was noticeable in single target, huge loss in AoE scenarios. I'm sure she is amazing and a game changer for other accounts. But there are some examples like mine and OP where she just has no home.

I really appreciate your insights on 16:20, it can be surprisingly difficult to get refinements on Favonius weapons, and I value them so much because they're so good for an account's QoL for teambuilding. Weapon banners can be a scam most of the time, but it's not always going to be completely garbage when you target the right ones for sure. And I really don't regret downing 120 pulls on them early on to secure R5 Fav sword and Mistsplitter

15:08 C3 also gives healing bonus which gives more fanfare which gives more dmg%, probably not a huge increase but still 27:31 I remember 2 extreme exemples : a "C0 Ayaka one-rotating the 3.5 abyss wenut" but it was actually C0 R5 with C6 R5 Shenhe, 674 base atk weapon Bennett, and C6 R5 Kazuha (mainly the R5, his constellations didn't do much there) and the other exemple was C0 Neuvilette speedrun, I think it was the 4.5 abyss top half, and it was C0 R1 with C6 R5 Furina and in these situations, it feels like it's very intended click bait like if someone did a "C0 childe run" but it's C6 Neuvillette using the +1 normal atk talent passive Overall, I feel like saying CX (insert carry name) speedrun when an other character in the team is higher constellation is a bit misleading but I also understand that you can't explain the exact team investment in the title of a speedrun video

@jamiekb9v

4 күн бұрын

yeah absolutely you're right with both! it is both reasonable to feel mislead with those types of videos, and also it is also understandable for the uploader that they can't convey the investment easily in a youtube title. sometimes it is intentionally misleading, but also sometimes they wasn't trying to. perhaps this is where the cost/gold system helps

I am so ready to get her c2

@jthepj108

5 күн бұрын

What teams are you playing other than Raiden BR?

@tufol33k78

4 күн бұрын

@@jthepj108 he plays Nilou Bloom pog

@b-ri10

4 күн бұрын

@@jthepj108 Nilou is the other main one. I also mess around with Klee and am looking to get into Hu Tao more

@emilyvanlty

4 күн бұрын

GO BRI GO

Thanks a lot for answering my question! (the c2 furina vs c2 nahida one) I was looking up any comparisons since I want a general buffer to start vertical investing and I was wondering which one to use. You mentioned Furina being more flexible and I like her a bit more so I'll go for her. I think maybe my question was a bit too account-specific so sorry about that! I don't have Alhaitham or a 5* electro for quicken other than Raiden, but I have Nilou (and hyperbloom teams in general) and some people were saying c2 Furina isn't that strong if you didn't use less healing (while others said the opposite), so I was thinking if I should go for c2 Nahida instead

@tufol33k78

4 күн бұрын

it depends if you are planning on using more your Dendro teams or if you are focused more on your Hypercarry teams. It is box dependant and reliant on which characters you want to buff the most. If you want to play Nilou, ofc Nahida is going to be the greatest choice. But if you'd rather have a cracked Arlecchino/Noelle/Neuvillette... => whatever "non reaction" DPS, Furina If you consider a "reaction DPS" => Hutao (VV Vape)/Tartaglia (to some extent, Arlecchino (VV Vape), Kazuha C2 is then the greatest

a 10% teamwide multiplicative dmg increase is still good. her c3 is still better than most cons in the game ahah

Would a hypothetical future burning-focused dendro unit with mid dendro application enough for a forward vape Furina? I’m think Furina Sigewinne Bennett and a dendro, with either on-field Bennett, or any character that can be infused by Bennett’s c6, like a polearm? The forward vape might remove burning aura but with the remaining dendro, you should be able to retrigger burning with pyro, never letting hydro be the aura

@djampoucheukap1742

5 күн бұрын

No since you have to maintain the burning, so no furina allowed with emilie

@Linh_Tran-49

5 күн бұрын

@@djampoucheukap1742not really Yes you lose the 36%ish dmg buff, but Furina far overweight that And for the A1, you only need burning for 1 milisecond every 2 second to get the scent, and Bennett and/or her own NA is enough to do that

i NEED kokomi to rerun asap OTL i've been prepping my mono hydro team foreverrrr

Would you recommend going for Furina c1/c2 if I'm planning on using a reverse vape team with Klee (c0), Xingqiu (c3) and Bennett (c1)? For extra context I don't have Yelan or any good anemo characters (except Sucrose but I hate Sucrose and refuse to use her). Would Bennett's healing + Xingqiu's minor healing be enough to sustain the team?

Thanks for video Jamie, i have a lot of luck and saved primos to get c4r1 Furina ion her first banner, i have plans to c6 her, but i refiuse to pull with this bad, for me 4*. I think they should give us some newer 4* and this old place in shop.

Very fair analysis overall, I feel that while Furina is very strong a lot of content creators really oversell how good or necessary she is. She's basically always a good pull but there are plenty of other good hydros as well. I completely agree with the analysis of Bennett being stronger (or more necessary, if that's a better phrasing of it). My pick for strongest is Nahida but my perspective puts a lot of weight on enabling powerful teams at lower overall account investment while still remaining strong at higher investment, and not so much around speedrunning, and Dendro teams are the best for that by far. Personally, I definitely don't regret pulling Furina, but she's also not a unit I necessarily use every abyss cycle and some of my stronger teams don't really want her (Arlecchino vape or mono pyro/Nilou/etc.)

FFXX is pretty much the only team I use often that includes Furina, maybe I'll use her more when/if I get C1 but we'll have to see.

12:10 ...but shinobu is always 1 hit from dying anyways.

@jamiekb9v

5 күн бұрын

its less with xingqius dmg reduction, especially in quickswap hyperbloom teams where you can swap into her to give her some healing

@salto7080

4 күн бұрын

Id say in the Alhaitham team its a bit harder for her to die with Furina compared to Yelan, because in both teams she doesnt get healing ticks from her own skill, but Furina's passive can still heal Shinobu when Alhaitham gets overhealed

@ixirion

4 күн бұрын

@@salto7080 in those teams is preferable for me to use Nahi on r5 Prototype. EM from burst is also very useful on Alhitham so its win/win. Also ppl dot invest in Kuki nearly enough. If you do many of her substats will be HP%/EM for better healing

I have neuvillette c1 and I personally like using childe over furina when I don't play Childe International. My favorite Neuvillete variant is with Childe, Kazuha, Zhongli and it just feels so smooth and comfortable to play.

i find that furina is the most consistent version of neuvillette teams, hydro resonance and being able to consistently burst on neuvillette is why i tend to not play the other variants of neuvillette teams.

@ABC-yj6cy

4 күн бұрын

Same here, clearly his best team is neuv, furina, kazuha, baizhu. I hope that they release a pyro or electro support that can heal the whole team and apply electro with E skill while off field

I totally agree about weapons. even if f2p you should pull on the banner early to get some favs and few good signatures.

This video made me remember, when Kokomi was just out, maybe like one or two CCs (at least of those I watched) outright said that if Kokomi could crit she would break the game. It's funny that they more or less did that with Neuvillette and he is indeed super broken. It's got the extra layer of funny when you recall that many more enthusiasts were convinced Kokomi was the reincarnated hydro dragon, and yet...

@SuperPaper_34

5 күн бұрын

Well, I would say the larger part of what makes Neuv so good are factors that Kokomi doesn’t share with him, eg the extremely versatile AoE, being able to freely swap and reposition, having a simpler input method that doesn’t punish much for not doing cancels, etc. I think if you had a character that did Neuv damage with Kokomi mechanics, their reputation definitely would not be as good as Neuv’s. Though it would probably still be pretty good.

@dnoyrnoptere3499

4 күн бұрын

Kokomi is so awesome

I personally 36 starred this abyss with wrio, furina, benny and xl on the upper chamber and neuvi, zhong li, kazuha and kuki on the bottom. My neuvi is a bit slow since I only have sac jade on him. Tried to get tome but freedom sworn ruined my life, but hey, it gets the job done.

fufu my beloved

If I just want to increase synergy w/ Bennett and colorinde is C1 enough?

is key or signature the better c6 weapon?

i did quite lucky have her C2 at early. and for her weapon at first i using Festering but quite lucky i got Chiori Signature when i wanna try my luck for red horn, and the dmg kinda huge upgrade. damn.

Guys I know there's an entire video about that but trust me, try furina national if you can. It's STRONG

18:34 My fav frontload team is Arle (C2), Benny, Ayaka (C4), Furina (C2). Raiden boss dies in a 4 seconds window. :D

@ArchibaldVonSkip

5 күн бұрын

Subbed btw!

Why do I see in furina gameplay when people do E then Q they do E farther from the enemy, then dash up and use Q? Is there a reason not to use her skill when close to the enemy?

@jamiekb9v

4 күн бұрын

its a very small timesave animation cancel to dash out plus it using the skill out slightly earlier compared to running without it can help deal damage earlier. it's very minor overall. it can also affect swirl setups since it affects when the pets may attack.

I love my wife

@chomusuke1593

5 күн бұрын

please no

@nk30020

5 күн бұрын

Sometimes I just cringe

@Bigslam1993

5 күн бұрын

I love your wife too!

@ivar2920

5 күн бұрын

Pls stop and get some help

@whydoineedname4932

5 күн бұрын

Get help

i call furina a smogon bird (well in this instance genshin bird need some work lol) because she is preset in pretty much all the team that needs to amp damage and only characters that specifically messes with her mechanic dont need her i look at nahida the same way there is no escaping her in any dendro team same as talonflame in smogon back then singles hes there doubles hes there need a buffer gale wing tailwind need a revenge killer bravebird need wall breaker bravebird

@jamiekb9v

4 күн бұрын

ah reminds me, the talonflame nerf in gen 7 was rough

@spheroboom7299

4 күн бұрын

@@jamiekb9v yeah went from being in every team to not being in any team

Arlechinno imo is the only unit that did not feel bad being played without Benny. Her with chev and overload team I didn’t even need Benny.. of course Benny will make her a monster

Still gonna go for Yelan over Furina (because I have to choose).

Me vendré en furinaaaaa

Genshin impact = best hydro supporter for hyperbloom - furina & alhaitham OR yelan & alhaitham ?? 2- who is more universal supperter..?

16:12 ayooo thats me!

i personaly don't use Furina much. I play Clorinde Aggravate, Alhaitham Hyper Bloom, Arle vape and Eula hyper

In my opinion kazuha is the best character in the game, for furina and bennett you need to use their burst but with kazuha you just use E

@djampoucheukap1742

5 күн бұрын

Yes

@doggypoofy1390

5 күн бұрын

weird reasoning

@D4C_267

5 күн бұрын

Furina doesn't need to do cringe swirl setups and buffs more.

@haxt97

5 күн бұрын

Geo and Anemo mains might say otherwise

@Marz333

5 күн бұрын

Once furina gets enough er she has 100% uptime and her buffs last longer without having to switch back for swirls

Neuvillette sipping water ever since his release

32:06 imagine 60 cost pyronade with 15s base duration 😮

I don't know how strong Furina is, but I usually struggle a lot with abyss because I cannot play her in both side.

10:44 how not with clorinde? You replace kazuha for more dmg bonus but less res shread but furina does significant damage and buffs nahida and gives you hyperbloom damage Sure if grouping is a factor kazuha better but if not

You mentioned how "if you don't play Bennett with these characters, they feel bad", and I do play these characters and I think they work fine without Bennett. Sure, Bennett will give bigger number, but those bigger numbers aren't necessary. Maybe with the exception of this 4.7 abyss that is harder than normal, but still. I usually do the following teams: Wanderer, Yelan, Layla, Faruzan Gaming, Xianyun, Zhongli, Furina Liney, Kazuha, Zhongli, Klee (yes, this last one is "way worse" for other reasons, since there is no healer and there are only two pyro, but I was able to clear 4.5 abyss with it, even though I was still getting the hang of Liney and he was still lv 80 with lv 8 talents). And all those characters are C0 (for exception of Yelan C4, Faruzan C6 and Gaming C6). The Liney Team is all C0 and his weapon is Amo's Bow.

@TheMoonestOne

4 күн бұрын

Ok, I'm watching the rest of the video, and I think you're having a criteria that is getting mixed up. You were talking about "clearing abyss", right? But then you started talking about speedrunning. So it made me think now that you were talking about how Bennett is "necessary" in those teams with speedrun in mind. For me, it wasn't clear but probably it's my fault on interpretation.

I fully agree with 4:00 - ... Hydro hasn't really be countered at all the whole of 4.x imo furina and neuv are the most overrated char in terms of power since idk how long. Don't get me wrong i still believe furina is top 5 in the game and top 3 maybe top 2 hydro so i still think she is top tier and broken BUT i never felt like she was the strongest unit or most needed unit in any team i use

Personally for me not really exist "strongest" unit in the game, it is more like strongest units. Furina doing such high personal damage and universal damage bonus thet it is pretty on par with Bennet's ATK buff and sustain cpabilitise or with Kazuha grouping and damage bonus. I would even say tht characters like Chevreuse and Faruzan could arguable be part of the strongest group by the nature how impactfull they are for the teams you use them, like, Chevreuse C6 absolutly do as many things as Bennet or Furina if not more.

@jamiekb9v

5 күн бұрын

chevreuse and faruzan can be up there in strength for sure!

I really only use her with FFXX. If it weren’t for that team, I probably wouldn’t use her at all.

it's worth it pull for her even I dont have neuvi?

@Zythroxes

4 күн бұрын

Of course she just works best with neuvillete but she offers a lot of good teams that can work really good even if she isn't "best in slot" so go for it she will change your accounts versatility tremendously

@Kindi001

4 күн бұрын

but keep in mind she need a healer to reach out that fanfare stack. and for me and my friend who have Jean already build, She a godsend for both our account. we manage get C2 th, and its amazing. Furina able to make your Atk/Deff/Hp goblet viable depends on your character scale is insane. i do have atk and Hp goblet with like 50CV stat and that really kinda make my build easier.

Is this not the same thumbnail

All this talk about Neuvilette and none of the people I know even have/use him :P

Sadly unlike with the nerfing in abyss to Cryo and Anemo units, Hydro tailored abysses won't probably be going anywhere once we move to Natlan.

The most impressive part in this video is Baizhu having such a high usage. That char is just so so bad, not enough dendro for consistent HB as a solo dendro. Huge ER requirements. Few buffs (less than 120 EM worth of buffs), long ass E animation and Q. He just heals

@episode4882

5 күн бұрын

Bcs Genshin CC overhyped his value as a healer to pair with Furina, but Furina’s strongest team(Neuvillette + Furina hypercarry) doesn’t need a healer regardless of Furina’s con bcs Neuvillette helps fanfare stack to full with his self heal Somehow people are running Baizhu as the last slot for this Neuvillette hypercarry when Zhongli is just miles better with consistent interruption resistance and res shred, so Baizhu’s usage rate gets carried by this team

@pyronado4320

5 күн бұрын

If 90 out of 100 people use a character it will have 90% usage rate but if 5000 out of 10000 people use another character it will have 50% usage rate. Usage rates are kind of misleading

@danedavid6925

5 күн бұрын

​@@pyronado4320it is. Because of the nature of the game that not everyone will have every character usage rates as a metric will always be misleading

@mickysaif

4 күн бұрын

​@@danedavid6925they mean that if someone pulled baizhu then it's probably for the neuvillette team so they are using him regardless

Furina fits with Atk scalers and can match bennett buffs, while Bennett cant fit in hp teams and kazuha on bloom teams. Again, quite shortsighted. I do think they’re strong but not as top 1 and 2 anymore.

@ginger2114

3 күн бұрын

Yeah she can match his buffs, but go ahead and name how many units actually ditched Bennett in favour of her. You made it out as attack scalers appreciate Furina just as much as Bennett, when that clearly isnt the case.

@chimilicitypjm459

3 күн бұрын

@@ginger2114 just as Bennett wasnt ditched with Kazuha release, so does Furina. Like many other top tier supports, if they work together, then that’s part of why they’re top tier. Y’all are not for real when using this argumeny.

@ginger2114

3 күн бұрын

@@chimilicitypjm459 Then I dont understand how Furina is above them? They are still top meta picks, they limit the game design to a significant margin, they are core parts of a certain teams, where as mentioned in the video Furina is more of an alternative that doesnt change anything on most teams, she works, but so do other units in place of her with few exceptions.

@chimilicitypjm459

3 күн бұрын

@@ginger2114 Bennett inflexibility is a detriment to both future and present units with non-atk scaling. Not to mention, he doesn’t increase off field DPS unlike Kazuha AND Furina. Jamie is being shortsighted again by picking Bennett when we all know that even with DPS like Arlecchino, the buff uptime isn’t that great due to Circle Impact

Neavullte, nahida, kazhuha - 5 stars . Bennet, xianling , xingqui - 4 stars .

Regarding F2P and 4-star weapons, you will naturally get a steady flow of them from losing rate up 4-star 50/50 on limited, as well as from standard pulls. If you insist on R5 or bust, then sure, you probably won't have enough for heavy refines, but is that min/max mindset really compatible with F2P in the first place? I'd say no. At the end of the day it boils down to the weapon banner using the same currency as limited character banner. Every pull you blow on weapons is a pull lost for characters,. It is hard enough for F2P to make skip/save decisions without this other thing bleeding them out as well.

Come Natlan and the Abyss suddenly has nothing but hydro-immune enemies to make ppl pull for pyro characters from the new region 😂 Not saying I want this but this is Hoyo, I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaking furina is trap, does mean Kazuha is must pull 1# priority without dps first like Ayaka? Look at usage and owners, aren't those bots or real people does submitted or online auto analysis?

[17:15] Older Accounts DON'T need to pull on the Weapon Banner: All of the *Favonius* and *Sacrificial* weapons (+ Widsith and Stringless) are permanent on *ALL* featured Character Event Wish at an nominal 2.55% chance (effectively ~1.7%), which results in at least TWO of these weapons per 5-Star character (in 75~90 pulls); as the game averages *60 FREE* _Intertwined Fates_ + *24 FREE* _Acquainted Fates_ per month, with 2 banners per patch and 8 patches per version, a day 1 account has _at least_ 90 copies divided between 18 weapons - which would be enough to R5 ALL of 'em.

@jamiekb9v

5 күн бұрын

thats very rng. In my experience of doing account reviews, I've seen numerous accounts that lack them. Although I agree you don't *need* to pull on weapon banners, there is still a lot of value in increased rates for useful weapons.

@maxwellstylez

5 күн бұрын

I am a 1.0 F2P player and I only have 20 rolls on the weapon banner. I never struggled with the abyss horizontally investing and have multiple high refinement Fav weapons. Although I will say after all these years I am getting more cons (have c1 furina, getting c2) and planning on rolling for The Key when it gets reran. I dont know what I would suggest for new accounts but I have no regrets on how I allocated my primogems. I was curious about your math and apparently I have 43 fav weapons having received none from the weapon banner as a day1 player. 9 bows, 10 Lance, 7 GS, 12 Sword, 5 Book

@I3eXe

5 күн бұрын

If I didnt pull on a weapon banner that had Fav Bow, mine would be still R1 (which we get for free)

@mickysaif

4 күн бұрын

3 year old player with no fav lance kekw

I think the complains about C2 supports for Furina, Nahida or Kazuha, are warranted when the KZreadr announce C0 run....

- furina not best character because of absence of water slimes in the abyss and because she used with neuv. - bennet best unit because watch another 30 minute video lol im done

@stelixhyx808

5 күн бұрын

7 mins in and yeah pretty poor video. Well furina is de facto best if not neuvi so i guess thats par for the course

@pyronado4320

4 күн бұрын

Very disappointed he didn't say what I wanted to hear 😢

@mickysaif

4 күн бұрын

the glazing is insane

Really stretching on "Furina is not the strongest character", don't you think? Furina is not a "plain stronger than Bennett" character but he's not omnipresent. Furina is the only universal buffer of the whole game, not limited to ATK (like Bennett) or elemental type (like Kazuha), so she's much more flexible, which, in my opinion, makes her better. And to say she's there mostly because of Neuviellette? My dude, hahahahaha

@eclipseeffigy

4 күн бұрын

Your mind is gonna be blown when you read what Yelans burst does

@youmadbro7

4 күн бұрын

​@@eclipseeffigyyou're mind gonna be blown when you realize yelan's buff is only for on fielder and have lower avg DMG bonus than furina, furina on the other hand gives DMG bonus to 4 characters at the same time which already makes her 4x better buffer wise and she doesn't need the on field char to do Autos to apply hydro

@brunao8138

4 күн бұрын

@@eclipseeffigy you're comparing a buff that it's maximized at 50% (but that "maxed number" lasts for 2s) for the on fielder only with a buff of that maximizes at 75% and it works for all 4 characters on the team?

what if you don't have and don't want neuv, arle, yelan and kokomi? guess you just die? lmao

balls

I find it so weird to be short selling a character that is so efficient as one character. Don't need to farm for 5 other alternatives since you already have an answer you can hyper invest into and thus performs better than all of her alternatives. If anyone cares about power and efficiency, even a little bit, they will be beyond silly to have any doubts about her

@jamiekb9v

4 күн бұрын

did you watch the full video? i say at 3:23 and 13:28 that her ultimate strengths are how she is so versatile and fits in many teams as a competitive option. if you deem me to be "short selling" her just because i don't consider her the "number 1 strongest character in the game", then I have no words.

@SignOne

4 күн бұрын

@@jamiekb9v anything outside of extraordinary is short selling her. Your tone and all the soft criticism is short selling her. You said some characters were a side grade to her which is short selling her. It's not a negative she has side grades, it's a positive. I sure know what to say if you don't

SORRY BUT FURINA IS THE BEST AND THE STRONGEST CHARACTER IN THE CURRENT GAME PERIOD

I think you are downplaying how much Furina gives to a lot of teams. In my personal experience, Neuvillette without Furina is just alright (still one of the best dps tho) but nothing amazing. Xiao is barely playable with the double pyro core (Bennett, Xiangling) while with Furina Xianyun he's really good. Mono hydro teams without Furina are a joke unless you have cons on Yelan and even then they are not the best. For Alhaitam she is straight up a dps increase over both Yelan and Xingqiu (rip my king, he deals negative damage compared to the other two options but at least he has some defensive utility I guess), but I can see why someone would prefer Yelan over her just because the hp drain can be a problem sometimes. Hu tao without Furina is the same thing I said about Neuvillette, a good dps but nothing amazing, in this case is just because Yelan Furina is a way stronger core than Yelan Xingqiu (guess who is the dps loss pepelaugh). I could go on but I think the point I want to make is clear, 75% bonus dmg (50% on average)/20% Healing bonus for the whole team, great off-field damage and the ability to enable a set that gives you 36% crit rate are a lot of things that added together makes Furina stand in a tier above everyone else for now. Also someone can say "but you need a healer with Furina otherwise she is useless" and that is somewhat true, but there are healers that do something other than just healing like Bennett and Xianyun that are just great characters on their own and that sinergize very well with her. She is not a must pull, but if you want your favorite character to be a lot stronger she is the way to go unless you play Bloom/Arlecchino(with cons is ok but bot worth it for me)/Chevruese teams.

@tufol33k78

4 күн бұрын

he is not downplaying her, he said, for most people she'll feel an upgrade other units, it's very likely anything around 30 substats builds are gonna be better with Furina, most people won't get 40+ substats builds, most people wouldn't never put Xingqiu on Noblesse or Bennett on Instructor (though you might do, I'm just taking an example), most people won't weave attack or do sub optimal animation cancels... For instance, you are taking "damage" as DPS over time as a metric, though, if you try to clear the fastest humanlmy possible, it's not a metric, and 2 Vaped XQ's E can be better better than Furina's for instance. Furina has the luxury of "I press 2 buttons and I can afk, and despite isn't optimal, is better than most unit if they aren't played perfectly" My point is, if you are taking more than 20s for a chamber, which is "most people case" I believe, it's very likely Furina will always seem better than any other unit. Honestly he talked about most points you mentioned, and in general, he'd probably agree that for most people/most cases/ if you are just chilling, then yes, Furina is a better character

@sweatymobilegamer784

4 күн бұрын

Yeah, double pyro Xiao is so barely playable that it only managed to get 2nd place in the 4-cost category of a CN speedrun competition for 3.4 abyss. /s Why'd you use the words "straight up increase" in regards to Alhaitham specifically? He's one of the on-fielders whose synergy with Furina is seriously overrated. That "straight-up increase" is in the ballpark of ~10% on paper and it certainly doesn't get better than that in practice. You should also be aware that in solo hydro, the personal damage difference between Yelan and XQ is negligible and only Furina surpasses both (but even then, only significantly so when you run longer rotations). Also, XQ's rainsword orbitals literally make you ~70% tankier and noticeably harder to stagger. I wouldn't call that just "some" defensive utility. Once again, for Hu Tao, double hydro with Furina/Yelan is like ~10% stronger than the version with Yelan/XQ. If we're talking about a C0 Hu Tao in her traditional playstyle, she really isn't amazing with or without Furina. It's only with Furina + Xianyun that she becomes arguably "amazing" at C0 since only that combination allows her to reach the DPR thresholds necessary to one-cycle some of the tankier chambers in abyss (while also not experiencing the Fanfare drop from 2nd rotation onwards that Hu Tao's Furina + Bennett teams do).

@wilburforce8046

4 күн бұрын

@@sweatymobilegamer784using a CN speedrun as argument for a causal meta convo is so funny. Don’t do that you make yourself look dumb.

@sweatymobilegamer784

4 күн бұрын

@@wilburforce8046 Nah, that's how you're making yourself look by refusing to see merit in anything that doesn't reflect your 💩 standard of gameplay for comparing teams' relative performance. If a team's 'peak' performance is THAT high relative to others in the same competitive environment, while not being able to take advantage of the strong quicken blessing, then it is not "barely playable". End of story.

@sweatymobilegamer784

4 күн бұрын

@@wilburforce8046 Another way to put it: C0 Furina and C0 XY's value for Xiao is, in large part, what I would consider "QoL". Absolutely appreciated and impactful, but not incredibly significant for his team's raw damage profile.

Zhongli owners have so many skill issues to a point that running Furina in their team makes the game unplayable.

@bhellzeboss7541

5 күн бұрын

I believe you are delusional. First, "owners"? So you have skill issue because you have pulled for an archon in your account? No metter of you never even used him? Second, do you know that many unit have Zhong as part of their top team? For example neuvilette you know, his best team have Zhong. Third: neuvilette. Does not metter how you look at it, but neuvilette is way more braindead than zhongli.

@citoyenneteavanttout7273

4 күн бұрын

Zhongli owners ? you mean almost 90% of the players? you be just yapping for hating bruv 😂

@rasna2212

4 күн бұрын

@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 Zhongli haters are so damn funny I swear, we're getting 36* in the abyss easily with the comfort zhongli provides, while they retry over and over cause they keep dying with their meta teams. They think they're so amazing that they clear the abyss 10 secs faster than Zhongli users lol

@0rokuSaki

4 күн бұрын

Bold claim. Do you have proof?

@bhellzeboss7541

4 күн бұрын

@@0rokuSaki that some team have Zhong in their most optimal comp?

Bennett is cringe to play, ugly, boring, and annoying circle impact. Glad we now have furina. You guys keep overhyping bennett.

5:56 that's exactly my point, and thank you for pointing it out. Basically, furina wouldnt be as much as popular as she is if not for the absoulte sheer power of the monstrosity called neuvillette, because if you count furina teams where she is the best and most comfortable and synergistuc option is: neuv, xiao, kokomi (gaming also but not much people really have him c6). And as I said, it's not really neuvillette who needs furina to be relevant and crush the meta, but it's actually furina who needs neuvillette to even compete with units like bennett, kazuha and xiangling

@kashira-0

5 күн бұрын

Furina has her own teams outside of Neuvillette where she can be a sidegrade to popular supports while using less popular healer units. She doesn't need him to be meta, and neither does he need her. Furina doesn't need to "crush the meta", that's just another way of saying badly designed flops, which is what characters like Neuvillette and Kazuha are. She is meant to assist and lift up niche units and also help her fellow Hydros instead of invalidating them. She is a meta unit in a way more elaborate than "haha I'm stronger than you, so sit back" like Neuvillette and Bennett. People falsely calling her the strongest unit are either biased for a character they enjoy a lot, or have different metrics, which I don't see why it should annoy anyone. Otherwise, her popularity is warranted for many reasons.

I don’t see how C0 Furina is the strongest unit, bcs she either requires to be paired with a dps with self heal or sacrifices a slot for a healer that provides little to no dmg buff The top meta teams(ez to use, good dmg, flexible), if we simply look at it from f2p perspective are Neuvillette hyper, Arlecchino vape, Alhaitham hyperbloom, National archetypes(Raiden, Childe, Furina), Navia double pyro These teams don’t really need Furina at all beside Neuvillette hyper to perform well, sometimes adding Furina in can result in negative impact In my opinion C0 Furina is not worth getting if you don’t have Neuvillette, if ur pulling for Furina, at least get C2 to make her ‘worthwhile’

@jamiekb9v

5 күн бұрын

i mention this at 13:38 but even if shes not the clear BIS in **that** many teams, shes still in the conversation or a good option for tons of teams. the flexibility is nice

@TybossMaster

5 күн бұрын

What this gotta be bait c0 furina definitely isn't the strongest unit in the game but saying she dead in the water without neuv is a stretch First point you make is dumb its be said by plenty of content creators and TC's that furina buffs even at c0 make up for having to run a healer and that her personal dmg makes for healer aforementioned lack of dmg going past this furina can still be played with bennett kuki and xinayun healers with massive buffs in their kit and its a huge misconception that she can only be played with party wide healers like baizhu and jean third most all teams in genshin run some sort of sustain unit be it a healer or shielder so the slot furina is taking in the team is usually your other subdps buffer which is fine since other fischl and nahida for dendro she will out dmg them while giving the strongest buff in the game furina lastly works with all these dps unit neuv,diluc,lyney,cyno,aliathaim,tighnari,clorinde,hutao,wrio,xiao and,navia all these units before you even consider furina was already using a healer in their though either bennett,kuki baizhu or xinayun

@mickysaif

4 күн бұрын

c0 neuv doesn't even need furina

Neuvillete broke the game...

If Bennett is strong because other characters are maid with him in mind, then he isnt strong, its the other DPSes who are weaks. They shouldnt depend on a single character. Not everyone like to play him. (I dont mind myself but a lot of people refuse to play him). At least Furina is universal, not only atk based gated and she have the best element of the game as well. =3

@ginger2114

3 күн бұрын

Its cool if you dont like him, but he has a much better case of being considered the best unit in the game and your dislike of him or you liking Furina more doesnt change that. No characters are balanced around Furinas kit, every attack scaler is balanced around Bennets kit being broken and thats a fact. Being more universal is cool, but she isnt broken to begin with, so that makes her balanced and a sidegrade lot of the time and thats healthy for the game, while Bennett is just restricting the game with how strong his kit is.