3:07 so you could save some time

@yvanstevenaclan1579

3 жыл бұрын

My lord and savior

@sategllib2191

3 жыл бұрын

@Elisha Sergio shut up

@sategllib2191

3 жыл бұрын

@Christopher Colin shut up

@haidertopg

3 жыл бұрын

@@sategllib2191 shut up

@sategllib2191

3 жыл бұрын

@@haidertopg no u

That was probably the most dramatic case of snap oversteer from an Mr2 that I've ever seen. *cues shooting star meme*

@fizhure8249

5 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Broadbent flipped and totaled his MR2 due to Snap Oversteer, check out his channel

@SadMarinersFan

5 жыл бұрын

@@fizhure8249 I cant find that video. Do you have a link?

@jamesrichards5601

3 жыл бұрын

@@SadMarinersFan There isn't a video, just a story he's told us many times on his streams :)

@radicaIized

2 жыл бұрын

Ew a furry 🤮

@Aminmotors

2 жыл бұрын

I literally just did this with my friend in the car and it's his birthday lol

One of the VERY few videos of actual snap oversteer. You can tell how he did react properly at first by staying on the throttle, so he didn't spin out from lift-off oversteer, but then he countersteered too far and/or too long = snap oversteer.

@robertkorn

Жыл бұрын

Wrong.

@yoshi555king

10 ай бұрын

how comparable is lift-off oversteer on a FWD (205/206)? I corrected it (also hit a oilpatch causing it) in a similir manner only I put in the clutch after getting the rear stable again.

@danielcarroll6303

9 ай бұрын

no it seems liek he went straight to off throttle and gone

@Scotty-vs4lf

9 ай бұрын

@@yoshi555king if ur in a fwd just hit the gas and point the front wheels wherever u wanna go lol

@yoshi555king

9 ай бұрын

@@Scotty-vs4lf you dumb as fuck if I did that I would have been dead bozo. Public b-roads🧠🪦

He came off of the inside curb and lost rear grip, and while he was sliding he let off the gas and counter steered as if he was in a FR layout car. When your fulcrum is in the back you can’t being doing dat

@bigrobfitness7953

5 жыл бұрын

fulcrum?

@FullOfMalarky

5 жыл бұрын

BIG ROB FITNESS yep, physics

@fungus2116

5 жыл бұрын

Matt Haas it’s caused by being an mr2 +stomping the brake

@rileygraham8952

5 жыл бұрын

what should he have done to not oversteer?

@mr2marc

4 жыл бұрын

@@rileygraham8952 power on and steer less.

watching this without timestamps goes like "Oh shit a corner, rip" but then he survives and its like "oh cool he made i-- oh no another corner" and then you look in front and lo and behold, there are more MR2s...

The driver must be a FR owner is his past life. He held that counter steer wayyyyyy to long. If this was a AE86, or a S13 etc... he would have been fine. To much weight transfer on the correction in the rear, which caused the snap oversteer

@keonherring4828

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ryosuke Takahashi

@TheMaddProfessor1

4 жыл бұрын

@@keonherring4828 😂😂😂

@EbilEnemyofBurgerTown

3 жыл бұрын

@Dopey Dope FR: Front engine, rear-wheel drive

@twitchybadger24hr33

3 жыл бұрын

Is MR2 mid engine M: Mid engine R: Rear wheel drive 2: 2Wheels getting power from the back

@tinuthomas531

3 жыл бұрын

@@twitchybadger24hr33 midship runabout 2 seater is what it stand for I’m pretty sure

I always here profusely by the MR2 community that it can be countered relatively easily if you know the car and know what you’re doing but dam, that snap is brutal! Seems like once it bites, it *really* bites, with little driver input can do.

@magical5181

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah those cars are brutal, I guess you have to drive drive and drive it for such a long time in order to counter it. But I guess the best thing is not making oversteer occur in the first place, though it is fun kicking the rear end around 😂

@sigmamale4147

Жыл бұрын

You should always brake before corner and gas during corner in a mr2. People who drive it like a FR car will spin

@xkall5391

9 ай бұрын

Of caurse it can't be easy to counter it, they are talking about oversteer and not snap, this thing is so difficult to counter it that even dedicated racers can't pull it off with consistency.

Confucius say "slow in fast out, or ass about". Simple as that. Mr2's don't have snap oversteer. Drivers do.

@IdiotRace

4 жыл бұрын

Can attest to this as I managed to make the car snap oversteer at the crainer curves by putting a wheel on the grass with all the weight over the front at high speed. This then involved a trip across the track and into the barrier. Luckily most of the damage was cosmetic and also to my ego haha

@feral4mr2

4 жыл бұрын

I've been driving aw11's of many configurations since 1995. Sure over the years I've spun out, all my fault alone. Not the car.

@linkskywalker5417

4 жыл бұрын

@@feral4mr2 Which is why I seem to get the idea from my observations that the mr2 is not a car for beginner drivers.

@feral4mr2

4 жыл бұрын

@@linkskywalker5417 sure it's different in handling to a FR car, but a beginner can drive if not a overzealous knob with the right foot and thinking it's a drift car...

@lecoureurdesbois86

4 жыл бұрын

@@linkskywalker5417 Depends if you're over selfconfident, my first sports car and rwd car was an MR2 Turbo

3:06 if you don't want to watch the whole clip, your welcome.

Skip to 3:00 for crash

@mrpopo4330

4 жыл бұрын

TheRealCarlos \ thanks Kermit.

@KDD8

4 жыл бұрын

I like how he doesnt even try to tap his brakes

@Yoitsbiggiecheese

4 жыл бұрын

+10 Kogashiwa Points

@KDD8

4 жыл бұрын

@Joseph C. That is true, but you can also tap your brakes to try to stabilize the car. I'm not saying flat out smash the brakes to lock up

@justaguy6415

3 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU

Right at 58 seconds I figured what car was going down. Great driving mate

@whiplash-wl8764

2 жыл бұрын

yeah his throttle input was very binary

Oh of course it's an mr2

@memo-iq8wb

3 жыл бұрын

Just mid engine things 😎

@Foldingblade

3 жыл бұрын

Or a fiero

@The_Room_Of_Arachnids

3 жыл бұрын

@@Foldingblade it can’t be a fiero it has rhd

Slow it down to 1/4 playback speed and you can see around 3:07, the back end got light over the curb on the right-hander. Maybe he let off the gas..not sure ... it looks like the weight shifted forward about a second later, and the driver over corrected on the steering, and that put him into the grass on the left. Maybe a little less countersteering and not lifting abruptly on the throttle, and it could've been saved in a four wheel drift. Maybe. Once he it the lawn it was over. In a front-engined car if you weight shift forward, it can get tail happy, but there is less weight out back to throw around so it is easier to get it back. With a mid or rear engined car, there is a lot more momentum in the wiggly rear end. You're throwing the weight of the engine/trans back and forth. That's why you want to come in a smidge slower than a front-engined car and smoothly get on the power in the turn to keep the rear end firmly planted. Balancing traction between front and rear wheels matters more when the drivetrain weight is on the rear axle and steering is on the front axle.

and THAT boys and girls is why you DON"T tailgate an MR2

S N A P O V E R S T E E R T I M E

First time I experienced oversteer in my 90 mr2 it instantly reminded me of my first car, a 59 Bug, no issues though, came back like it was last week, though it was more like thirty years ago!

@djstatyk1540

3 жыл бұрын

Hey brotha! Your comment gave me that buttery nostalgia feel!!!

@djstatyk1540

3 жыл бұрын

You should make a video like the vin wiki guys!!! I'd totally watch. Just sit there and reminisce on days of when you drove around in the 90s

@bunning63

3 жыл бұрын

@@djstatyk1540 I recall going down a hill toward a T intersection with a major road, l had a stop sign and brake fade. That's a bit of nostalgia best left in the past. I stopped, just.

Damn lol rip, Almost did this in my S6 in the rain once, Instead I got a sick wheel misalignment.😂

I removed my fuel tank and mounted a 12 gallon fuel cell in the front trunk, then relocated the battery to the area the fuel tank was, there is a 75% improvement in the way my 89 MR2 handles.

@adamcarolan5884

10 ай бұрын

Thats gonna be a nice bonfire if you ever have a frontal impact lmao! You'd want to make sure its a puncture proof cell.

The downshifting with no rev match is painful...

Traction really said “A d i o s”

This is why mid-engines scare me. All that weight behind me.

*[Marks & Spencers advert music]* "This isn't just any snap oversteer. This is Toyota MR2 luxury snap oversteer..."

Well, allow me to be the first to articulate it ... "Oh, Snap!"

Seems like braking and turning simultaneously is not a good idea in MR2s.

@RayanM50B25

3 жыл бұрын

He just didn't controlled it right

@fluxmasterfix

3 жыл бұрын

Trail braking is pretty important to drive an MR2 well though Sloppy weight transfer is not a good idea in MR2s

@lionel170

3 жыл бұрын

@@fluxmasterfix I agree, gotta brake hard to shift the weight to the front aye. The MR2 doesn't look like it likes soft braking lol.

What did he do? It looks like he let off instead of keeping it down while turning. Thinking of getting first gen MR2. Had a Miata 20 years ago,in an LS460 now.

@ErikSeastead

4 жыл бұрын

He didnt return to center early enough. Go frame by frame at 3:09 and you can see that the wheels are turned left still while the car is movign forward, then it begins to move left again. The final spin is because he applied the brakes at 3:10 once he went off of the track.

@CaillouLP

4 жыл бұрын

@@ErikSeastead Correct! When he lost traction he actually stayed on the throttle like should have, you can tell because otherwise he would have spun out to the right. Then he did regain traction but held the countersteer too long = snap oversteer.

@whiplash-wl8764

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaillouLP not to mention smoother pedal inputs would have also helped. If he had lifted off a slight but and had faster steering adjustment like you said, he could have recovered. #1 rule of MR2s: be gentle

So many in the comments saying this is not snap oversteer, it seems a lot of people have the wrong idea what snap oversteer is, and this is CLEARLY a text book example of snap oversteer. (Snap oversteer is when you loose grip in the rear and corrects it and it snaps back into place with such force and momentum that it sends you into often a 180 or 360 spin the other way).

Rage Your Dream by M.O.V.E starts to play at 3:00

@pepito2900

5 жыл бұрын

rip civic

that's not snap oversteer, thats just driver error. looks like he freaked out and overcorrected.

@bubbymacduncan8940

4 жыл бұрын

I'm willing to bet thats why snap oversteer is a joke with mr2's in the first place

@bradman7281

4 жыл бұрын

That's because snap oversteer is caused by driver error. Snap oversteer happens when the rear tyres lose grip and slip out, causing the driver to countersteer, but then the rear tyres suddenly regain grip and launch the car the other way.

@feral4mr2

4 жыл бұрын

exactly. mr2's don't have snap oversteer. it's a title made by people to hide their own mistakes.

@christcarsandcountry6812

4 жыл бұрын

feral4mr2 It's not to hide mistakes - snap oversteer, by definition, is caused by mistakes. Those mistakes are especially easy to make in an MR2 because of the car's design. Snap oversteer is when the tail end begins to step out one direction, then as the driver countersteers and lays off the throttle. The tires find grip suddenly and the car will quickly pendulum the other direction. MR2 drivers commonly make this mistake since in a lightweight, lower-power, grippy mid engine car, it's easy to make these mistakes since it doesn't take as long for the tires to suddenly find grip as it would on an FR. Snap oversteer can occur in all drive systems, of course, but still. MR2s make it way easier.

@a64738

Ай бұрын

That IS what snap oversteer is... I do not think you understand what snap oversteer actually is.

That car shall henceforth be known as the Turbo Merry-Go-Round 😁

i wish every person who talked about snap oversteer like it was some sort of mythical beast that is inherent to to mid engine cars had to surrender their mr2s to me

u spin me right round

pls no snap oversteerino jimmer

Snap oversteer a dangerous condition that fucks up laptimes oh and also His inner confidence level

Funny how the sw20 in initial d snap oversteered and lost the race

As soon as he hit grass it was over and the mid engine effect took over

This is what happened to Gordon smiley

Kai Kogashiwa can approve

I have a Fiero and boy, when it’s icy, I get a fuck ton of snap oversteer.

It was spinning around like it was a video game

Woah, i see many comments speaking about the car, the driver, many tecnical stuff but i think that he lost the car because he gave throttle on the curb.......

*snap oversteer moment*

i have seen honda ek racecar & experienced it in my k24 ep3 snap oversteer either wet or cooked tyres. the good thing was it was on a track with great runoff & not on the st with curbs & power poles

@IdiotRace

3 жыл бұрын

the guy was running toyo r888s that were pretty much on the wear markers when I went to check after

Am I correct in assuming that if you've had experience with AWD sliding out behind you on slippery tyres, had the Normal snapback and correct, then you should be ok to correct this situation just .5 of a millisecond slower in reaction in Snapback?

Yall focusing on the spin out im checking out mans downshifts, real bad.

@camrunner6633

4 жыл бұрын

I was watching that shift to 2nd each time

@IdiotRace

4 жыл бұрын

In defence, that was pretty much the first time I'd driven the car in anger after getting the entire engine rebuilt, replacing the gearbox for one that didn't have a totally fucked second gear and I'd also added a twin plate clutch with a lighter flywheel. So yes to say I was a bit rusty is an understatement.@@camrunner6633

Jeeeeez this man spun and the passenger wanted out he’s like fuck this shit I’m out haha I ain’t about to be next 😂

Did this in my 02 wrx trying to drift and jumped a median but gotta say the wrx is a tank cuz nothing happened to it just jumped the median like a champ

3:08 is when snap over steer Begins

why did he countersteer so aggressively, he barely spun

No. Liftoff oversteer goes specifically into the turn.

Oh, snap!

This was driver error, got loose on exit, over-corrected steering and lifted the throttle which threw the weight onto the front tires which were then pointed in the wrong direction.

Hey did you manage to get any footage of a yellow elise s1 yesterday? I didn't switch my camera on lol!

@IdiotRace

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't looked through all the footage yet but I can't remember any, just exiges. I'll let you know once I've gone through it all.

@TheMrrigma

5 жыл бұрын

Legend thanks!

@NathansLife

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMrrigma 8 months later

@jordanadams7168

4 жыл бұрын

@@NathansLife 1 year later

@CAMOGOD

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordanadams7168 2 years later

Still not gonna stop me from buying one

I notice the Chevy logo on the steering wheel

why did you add much of the video's length before the actual snap oversteer part?

When I’d play Gran Turismo Sport, I would sometimes use snap oversteer to my advantage in turns. Especially S-shaped turns

I’m making a video on snap oversteer. Would it be cool with you if I used your video for the video I’m making? I will make sure to credit you if it’s okay.

i think the tires gave up

Did he try to wave to him while he was trying a 1080* in a MR2🤣😂🤣🥲

It’s because he responded to the oversteer by braking instead of accelerating out of it, and he fishtailed into a spin.

Dude literally he snapped it flicked the wheel the other way and didn’t expect it not to happen I know fucking mr2s are known for it but damn that isn’t my kinda forte though 😂

looks like the top gear circuit in UK, is it ?

It's super useful to go f*** around in your car and get a fuel for sliding it just in case it ever happens. Mr and full rear engine cars may work better to an extent but honestly it's not worth the trade off. Even my Mustang versus my mom's Corvette, the mustangs rear end is a tendency to slide out a little bit easier but if it does it's a lot more savable than on the Corvette. the Corvettes were in with the engine even being as far back as it is does not like to slide as much and can get real sketchy.

Till now, I didn't realize the MR2 became well known (and kinda meme-ified) due to snap oversteer. I was kinda wondering why the MR2 is a bit more "gimmicky" (I don't know how to describe it in any other way) than any other MR car I've driven in Gran Turismo 5.

That guy is sitting way to close to the steering wheel I hope he can adjust his seat

Wonder if it has an open diff or a worn out LSD. Seems like it unloaded the right rear as it drifted left, then snapped back hard when it caught traction again.

@MikeTrollerOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

NA MR2s came from the factory on open diffs so that is a strong possibility

He almost recovered. Just needs a little more practice.

Wouldn’t putting something heavy in the front keep it planted more?

@lazar2175

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, you could move the gas tank and the battery and the radiator and few other bits and bobs to the front and that would help a bit but still these are mid engine cars, you don't want to offset that.

@vampireotaku4172

4 жыл бұрын

Down force and a staggered wheel set up helps alot.

@CaillouLP

4 жыл бұрын

It would, but it's a stupid idea. The light front end is THE reason why all serious performance cars are mid/rear engine. With the center of mass so far in the rear you can keep traction in corners for longer, the downside is just that when traction is eventually lost, it happens more sudden and quicker and you have to react more precisely (only lift throttle a little bit, stop the countersteer before the car is straight again).

Bro had the 'Realistic' setting turned on for his steering 😭 shoulda kept it in 'Simulation'

Oh snap moments 😂

He was kinda asking for it the way he was driving :D If he would've drove smoother and used all the track like POV car there would've been less change this to happen xd

I think he powered on too early, causing it to drift and when he felt it instead of punching the gas, he just let the car gain traction causing it to snip snap

@dielaughing73

11 ай бұрын

Ah, like a bike high-siding you

Well, the main reason this car oversteered is because the steering wheel is on the wrong damn side of the car. No one noticed this?????

s🅱innala

3:07 me driving road cars in gran turismo 7

S🅱️inalla

That isn't snap oversteer. The driver had his right foot pushed down too far as he was exiting the bend. Any rwd car with a lsd will do that.

ive never had mine snap yet, and i have a rev 1 which is meant to be worst for it haha

In racing games I tune my cars for snap oversteer. It's how I drift. I only do it in AWD cars tho, so I can power through and keep going. That's how I hoon.

@0zone247

4 жыл бұрын

What games

3:08 S🅱️innala

Easy for me to say but it looks like he was trying to do that, he was turning late and yanking on the wheel kind of hard. But thats easy for me to say, I wasn't in the car.

I've lost control of a manual, and an automatic sw20. Keyboard warrior clan

True or not true do Porsche and Ferrari suffer from snap over steer? Almost same set up

@rodvar8051

4 жыл бұрын

Ive never driven any ferrari, but porsches handling is amazing ... at first i use to think that they were "hammers on wheels" (for the heavier rear) but you can read one easily, no surprises at all

@joek1302

4 жыл бұрын

I used to own a mr2 and now a Porsche cayman. The mr2 was most definitely harder to regain control while drifting or getting into a situation. The cayman handles like a beast

@rolldog82

4 жыл бұрын

You think some suspension added help with lsd?

@rodvar8051

4 жыл бұрын

@@rolldog82 depends on what kind of lsd ... a set up that allows the wheels remain at the same speed during decceleration may help

@CaillouLP

4 жыл бұрын

Every mid/rear engine car is prone to lift-off oversteer/snap oversteer, it's just what happens when the center of mass is so far back. In fact even FR cars can do both if you provoke it. But modern sports cars probably have lots of tweaks to avoid it.

Maybe not a great idea to drive a mid engine short wheel base MR2 if your driving skills are low..

Too much countersteer

3:03 is what you came for

ofc its an mr2 lol

i got awd so when i get snap i’m fucked looooooool

Oh MR2 Owner’s, oh you.

That wasn’t snap oversteer, he got a normal oversteer and stayed on the gas pedal, over corrected it and went off track, no snap oversteer

@CaillouLP

4 жыл бұрын

That is literally what snap oversteer is - holding the countersteer for too long. Staying on the throttle is essential, otherwise you would just spin out further (lift-off oversteer).

@a64738

Ай бұрын

That IS what snap oversteer is... What do you think snap oversteer is?

You should have slowed down immediately behind him rather than overtaking from the right HOPING for the best!

@JohnDoe-ne2qs

Жыл бұрын

The vast majority of tracks are well wide enough that if a spin out happens on one side of a slow corner, it can generally be avoided.. that and it looked like a bunch of traffic was there. Slamming the anchors on could've easily ended in a pile crash behind!

No drift no fun)

there's no such thing. There is lift off overseer, snap only occurs when a driver doesn't return to center on time after a slide... as In this case. To add to the viciousness of the spin, he not only let off, but he also mashed the brakes. All big no nos.

The problem is morons trying to drive a mid-engined car the same way they do one w/the engine in the front. Owned an '85 for five years and a '91 for eleven. Never ONCE spun out.

He drifted. That wasn’t snap oversteer

@negativeindustrial

3 жыл бұрын

That was snap oversteer 100%

@a64738

Ай бұрын

What do you think snap oversteer is? This is a clear case of snap oversteer... (Hint snap oversteer is when you loose grip in the rear and corrects it and it snaps back into place with such force and momentum that it sends you into a 180 or 360 spin).

3:13. Did he hit you?

@IdiotRace

3 жыл бұрын

If he had hit me you would've definitely seen it in the video. He came incredibly close though as I saw him fly across the track in my rear view mirror. If I was going a bit slower he would've pretty much written off my car.

@bujin5455

3 жыл бұрын

@@IdiotRace I didn't think he hit you hard, but I heard a sound just as were pass which sounded an awful lot like some contact was made. That's why I time stamped it. Glad that everything worked out.

Thats not snap oversteer, the rear stepped out and he over corrected causing it to spin

@a64738

Ай бұрын

This is a clear case of snap oversteer... (Hint snap oversteer is when you loose grip in the rear and corrects it and it snaps back into place with such force and momentum that it sends you into a 180 or 360 spin).

How come mr2s are not appreciated as drift cars?? Lmaoooooo

@alwaysturnonaircon

5 жыл бұрын

because of this i guess

@pekonomials5246

4 жыл бұрын

ELITE COCK FIGHTER not really, some drift cars are actually tuned to oversteer in order to get a better slip for initiating a drift

@sporemaster97

4 жыл бұрын

​@@pekonomials5246 He definitely over-corrected. I have a mk1a and i have yet to even have it break loose, much less make me spin or anything

@pekonomials5246

4 жыл бұрын

Jordan Adams I have a MR2 as well SW20(MK2) although mine is guilty of oversteering, it doesn’t make it a bad car. Besides correcting oversteer is pretty easy, all you have to do is to buy cheap tires and go to an empty and spacious lot to experiment on how to correct an oversteer. The reason why MR2s are looked upon as a bad car, is just because people are either reckless or inexperienced mostly both.

@sporemaster97

4 жыл бұрын

@@pekonomials5246 I'm definitely more of a ride it out person than a try and slow down and freak out. When traction is at stake, the less changes to anything, the better, especially sudden ones. I love it, favorite car by far

3:07.

You’re missing the entry points and apexes on most corners in the video which leads to wrong steering and throttle input almost each times you turn! Slow down and get some beginners course, you’ll see then how handsome, easy and fast that car is!