Liftoff oversteer is not the same as snap oversteer. Full disclaimer, haven't watched the full video, but the first clip definitely shows liftoff oversteer, where the weight transfers to the front when lifting the throttle causing the rear to become light and lose traction. Snap oversteer is when the car has already lost traction and started oversteering and then snaps when the driver tries to correct the car due to the rear tires momentarily getting a lot of grip causing the rear end to snap in the other direction. Think of snap oversteer as a highsider on a motorcycle

@negativeindustrial

5 ай бұрын

This video shows only lift off oversteer. If you own a MKII Turbo MR2, you probably know that the comment above mine is 100% correct. I spun mine on day 2 of ownership. I entered the freeway on ramp from a u-turn a little too hot and let off the throttle near the apex. I got a half turn clckwise and then a full 360 in the opposite direction. I improved my setup and the car improved my driving skill.

as someone who has never played this before or ever planned to, this information will be very useful, have a great day.

@JuiceyBeverage

Жыл бұрын

I actually watch this cause I want to get into motorsports but I'm too young so I watch this for now

@chrisemma9556

Жыл бұрын

@@JuiceyBeverage Do you sim race?

@Joopyter724

Жыл бұрын

I mean you can always try it on the commute to work

@adrianmugari8416

Жыл бұрын

@@Joopyter724 bruh 🤣🤣🤣

@JuiceyBeverage

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisemma9556Yes I do sim race,but I cant wait till I can drive a car

Lift-off oversteer also works for FWD cars. It's also great to get your FWD car sideways - or more helpfully, to get a bit of rotation. Basically initiate some rotation into the corner and then nail the throttle to cancel it and accelerate out of the corner. Basically any technique that maximizes the usage of slip angle helps you through a corner.

@gamespender8605

Жыл бұрын

yee, plus using a bit of brakes to put even more load on the front wheels and you can get pmuch any FWD car rotating like butter

@DGworksIvan

Жыл бұрын

you just let me know i did this a lot on dirt rally 2 without knowing this is a skill LOL back when i was stuck using the first car, i found out lift off the throttle or light braking right before the corner than accelerate again, will give me a drift like state which make corner way easier.

@N3gativeChill

Жыл бұрын

Can confirm, liftoff is the most reliable to get my cobalt sliding around town in the winter

@bladermusics

Жыл бұрын

i experienced oversteer on my super weak car ( for the first time IRL). After that I realized that I was just using my lil city-cruiser a little too harsh xDDD. From now on I slide it like for fun ( only in rainy conditions).

@negativeindustrial

Жыл бұрын

@@gamespender8605 Do not try to use FWD techniques to correct an MR2T oversteer.

Snap oversteer is when the rear end steps out then suddenly snaps back. It's not what is shown in this video. Not trying to be an ahole to the creator but just giving some clarification.

Great video, I think the mr2 is a very interesting vehicle. A transverse mid engine layout sports car that doesn't have huge power or a high price. Low on power, it makes up for this with a short wheelbase and low polar moment of inertia, causing such snappy handling along with the layout. It's weight distribution gives it a bit of an advantage against FR cars with similar specs, because under braking the weight is distributed equally over all 4 tyres, whereas under acceleration the majority of the weight is over the rear wheels helping grip. However, this has somewhat negative implications when cornering. Unlike a 50/50 weight distribution vehicle, where neutral throttle is used to get the optimum grip on all 4 tyres, the front tyres tend to have less grip than the rear causing understeer. However, trying to correct this mid corner by easing off the throttle has the opposite affect because the weight of the vehicle is near the rear, so its tendency to swing round is amplified compared to an FR vehicle with the weight over the nose. As a result, another optimum driving strategy used by drivers of this layout is to prioritise exit speed even more so than usual, in order to make the most of advantageous straight line braking, to start cornering whilst the weight is still over the front axle and to accelerate as early as possible (playing to the layout's advantages). An unusually late apex racing line can be used to achieve this, as seen by porsche drivers, who's cars with the engine in the back experience similar characteristics (but to a greater effect).

@2090skid

Жыл бұрын

As a happy MR2 owner, I'd like to thank you for this nice description! I'll just add that, based on the feeling I have with the car (this is not a scientific proof though) I would say the weight distribution on braking is not really balanced and throws a lot to the front. One time I even managed to lift the rear wheels slightly from the ground on a heavy braking :) It's a car that does not forgive optimism on your entry speed. It's a weird situation where you're arriving at a certain speed in tee corner and you KNOW that if you're too fast, you'll not be able to break or lift off the throttle completely, because of this famous lift off oversteer, but if you're too fast you could also loose traction buy oversteering or even understeering into a beautiful tree. So you really need to be confident in your entry speed and know the level of grip you have. And I experiences all of this in the NA MR2 with the 3sge engine, therefore only producing 160hp!! I can't imagine how sketchy it can get in the turbo 3sgte version

@bobcockwood

Жыл бұрын

@@2090skid same in the ZZW30 - about 80% of the braking is done with the front axles, I've gone through many sessions with rears basically cold

@Christophe_L

Жыл бұрын

@@2090skid Sounds like you need to tune your suspension. More low speed damping at the front should do it methinks. Great car.

@2090skid

Жыл бұрын

@@Christophe_L thanks for the advice! You're probably right! I'm running the stock suspension that is 30 year old so... Might be a little tired! 😂 Thanks for the complimente too!

@yankymate6689

6 ай бұрын

It's very interesting... until you hit a lighting pole.

I didn't realize I was using lift off oversteer while rallying I just felt like taping the brake or lifting off throttle real quick during corners that I thought would understeer out of

As a front engine driver, getting in anything like a Porsche or Ferrari, anything with most of the weight behind you felt really strange and didn’t suit my aggressive driving style, I suffered with under steer a lot trying to power out of corners, that’s now very obviously the wrong thing to do, trail braking and plenty of weight transfer over the front wheels makes these cars so much more fun to drive, the key is using the weight transfer to your advantage, people are quick to say it’s the cars fault (I was one of them) but an adjusted driving style has made me like a wider variety of cars now, still prefer front engine all wheel drive but rear engine cars no longer scare me

As we know, Snap Oversteer happens with the MR2 the most. But otherwise this can easily happen to really light cars at high speeds. It's usually felt more in cars that weigh less than 1200kg. Having a light vehicle is good yes especially for performance, but too much weight reduction can also bring in sensitive troubles like snap/lift of oversteer especially if your car doesn't have enough downforce to keep your car planted.

Your videos have impacted my irl driving in a really big way. So thanks for all the information!!! I am also a go-kart pilot, so I get some benefits here and there from your videos too, given ofc not from all the cool drifting videos, moreso form the racing lines and all the other good stuff. Been a great teacher!!!

Your choice of music is always perfect my brother. Got a playlist?

This is a REALLY well made video. It got to the point, kept focus and attention, was interesting, and overall pretty entertaining. Well done!

wait what happened to the other one did YT take it down? this looks the same

@santinogaretto160

Жыл бұрын

The only difference is the warning at the beginning of the video. Everyone in the comments was complaining that the technique was not called snap oversteer, but I really couldn't care less.

@Staro69

Жыл бұрын

@@santinogaretto160 ah so it's because of dumbasses i see.

@ChroniclesofKToyoda

Жыл бұрын

@@santinogaretto160 the technique absolutely isn't snap oversteer so I can understand why folks would point that out, this has dangerous consequences in the real world as me & other MR2 owners know. Bad info can get people hurt, in some instances it has..

Videos with you on screen feel way better personally. Super great videos overall. So quickly and simply learn things that remind me how to get better on sim racing. Gracia millia!

For the intro, you can’t have snap oversteer without liftoff oversteer but you can have liftoff oversteer without snap oversteer. As someone who owns a 93 sw20 it’s not that bad but for earlier models it’s for sure a real issue.

@wiegraf9009

Жыл бұрын

Yes exactly!

I spend most of my time in Sim Racing games drifting cars now, but I have found snap oversteer to be extremely useful in rally or dirt racing. Being able to brend driving styles is extremely useful

My understanding what that snap oversteer was when your sliding car suddenly grips up and throws you back the other direction... i have never heard of lift off being called snap oversteer, have i gone this long with the wrong idea?

@sorian_delorean3348

Жыл бұрын

There is an actual confusion between the two in the community. Yours is what Is know of too.

@wiegraf9009

Жыл бұрын

Snap oversteer only happens in MR and RR cars because you get a funky pendulum snap from the engine in the back. Lift off oversteer can happen in any car and is what this video describes, although rear engine cars can lift off more if their suspension is wonky or if you try breaking into a corner with them instead of in a straight line.

@ChroniclesofKToyoda

Жыл бұрын

@unsub me, your understanding is actually the correct one, this video is confusing terms which are dissimilar to incorrectly mean the same thing which in reality they don't The "snap" in snap oversteer is a sudden snap from one direction to another from suddenly gripping up in a slide, for example car turning suddenly turning left, in a right corner where the wheel was turned left but the intention was to still turn right with the help of a rear slide

@lisnettelee2219

Жыл бұрын

Yeah technically he is talking about lift off oversteer

I'm very familiar with the setups these cars run in real life to prevent it, i don't know how it is modeled in game but reducing rear ride height specifically on a SW20 fixes the main cause, that being its rear roll center height (hint: stock its very high.) Its not simply a matter of the fact the rear is lower and closer to the ground, the much more important thing is that the camber angles are more consistent while the suspension decompresses which is usually where you get the "snap", from momentarily losing first the inside rear tire followed by the other simply not being able to keep up and recover. From best i can tell reason for the setups like this was essentially a compromise, you can get admirable on-paper performance with better then average ride quality, especially with tools everyone had back in the day, the cost was stability. Luckily there are other ways to improve ride quality for sporty road cars so you rarely ever see manufacturers set cars up like this. My biggest pet peeve is people thinking its simply a mid-engine thing, its not, even if rear weight bais pronounces the problem more readily, same issues with suspension geometry still causes same thing even if on surface level is less apparent on front heavy cars (certain generations of Mustangs are great example, despite how different their weight distribution and suspension design is, sans some models similarity in very very high rear roll centers)

Well, I was waiting for another video but reupload is good as well. I wanted to propose an idea you could test in one of the next videos. And the idea is of course from initial D, in the race AE86 vs Civic, Takumi vs Shingo (his name was I believe), when Takumi got mad, he started going insanely fast and there's a scene where he bumps his rear into the guardrail in one corner to bounce off it and enter another corner. Would you test if it's possible in asseto (or in real life if your're brave enough xD) and would that actually make any sense?

@ANdeRs0nD0ge

Жыл бұрын

That's an interesting idea. I tried it in indoor karting and hitting walls surely do bounce the kart off of them. But it's a whole lot different with cars: the body is big and heavy and the guardrails are pretty soft, as far as I know. Actually I'd like to know if what Fujiwara did is really possible.

@hakuccchi

Жыл бұрын

If I put a scratch on my car my family will disown me

@foxtuner_yt

Жыл бұрын

what???

@theravenouzraven

Жыл бұрын

Muh initial d

@michakasprzak6869

Жыл бұрын

@@ANdeRs0nD0ge I mean, guardrails are soft nowadays. But it's 2000 Japan and they weren't the American ones that has to absorb the energy but more, they were designed to bounce off them because you know, there were mountain roads, you wouldn't want to fall off the road. So who knows.

Bro your awesome keep it up please

after driving mostly the MR2 around in Assetto for well over a year, ive gotten used to the oversteer and actually try to induce it around sharp corners. lift off oversteer as well as overbraking are my key tactics around majority of the mountain passes

@christopherjohnston6343

Жыл бұрын

Overbraking?

@izu1525

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherjohnston6343 pushing the brakes so far that the rear comes forward. its most common in mid and rear engine cars. the weight shifts forward while braking causing the rear wheels to loose traction. basically oversteering but with breaking instead of gas

@christopherjohnston6343

Жыл бұрын

@@izu1525 oh okay basically braking no smoothly so stuffing go weight transfer?

This may help me master the 911's I really don't like most 911's especially mid 2000's ones we fight each other and I am usually the one losing out with serious power understeer or massive snap oversteer

Wish I had this channel when I got my mr2 in 2007

Been subbed to the channel for about a year. Your uploads never disappoint. Your editing style and voice pair together to make a video that is constantly entertaining. I love your vids and I know that you will blow up on KZread even more than you have so far.

@TSRB

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words :)

these videos help me play forza better and i thank you but since im not a mechanic i don't know the first thing about tuning and lose anyway

i stg i saw this video like a month ago, i can remember key points from it that line up directly with my memory what is happening

@stamp0569

Жыл бұрын

SAME WTH

As far as i know what you described isnt snap oversteer snap oversteer is when the car kicks sideways you over correct and the car snaps the other way

@wiegraf9009

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is lift off oversteer, which is what will put you into snap oversteer on a mid engine car.

I started watching you when I was playing ac. Now I’m actually driving on the touge wand still watch you

bro this editing and talking is so good why does this get only 10k views

How about a vid about lift-off oversteer in a fwd car?

Whats the Rally Map? looks awesome, also for the 10nth time, make a music playlist pls XD

My blue metallic SW20 '91 agrees with the technique. :)

Ah yes, the Toyota Mister2. 1:36

2:33 Mistake: not all 4 tyres, but front and back. Because one side gets more load than the other in corners.

This is all pretty much drifting but a good explanation for someone who is new to drifting and racing overall

God, all these skills revolve around throttle modulation,

Not sure if you made a vid about this but can you make a video on explaining hairpins in touge and what we should know about hairpins in touge?

@TSRB

Жыл бұрын

Try my Racing Lines video!

Something I feel like is pretty overlooked is letting people know when to shift, gear ratio, etc.

2:24 this is how Ayrton Senna does in last turn on Monza with MP4/4 and every corner in Suzuka Circuit with NSX-R..

never would I think TSRB would look like a dad in a tank top and shorts

Reminds me of slip angle but more aggressive

4:03 what mode is that the track looks amazing!!

Does anyone know what the background songs are? These are bops trying to find more like this 🙌

Does your cockpit support that dd wheel?

Where did you get that MR2? It was notorious for lift oversteer back in the early 90s. Always wanted to try it!

@TSRB

Жыл бұрын

all the mods i use are linked in the discord!

@kondor99999

Жыл бұрын

@@TSRB Thanks man, see you over there. Great channel, really enjoy it.

Im gonna use this and try it with my mister 2. Ill get back to u to tell u if it has worked... Or not 😂

Can snap oversteer also be used to describe whenever you drift and your front end swiping in the opposite direction afterwards?

@waldolemmer

7 ай бұрын

Yes, that's actual snap oversteer. The guy in the video is talking about lift-off oversteer

the guy that taught me how to drive told me when i asked about it that it only happens to bad drivers🤣

why was the premiere removed

well thats interesting

0:54 jazz cartel blue haze

@gaijingabber1056

Жыл бұрын

got one em at least, still trying to figure out the first

@trikewars

8 ай бұрын

@@gaijingabber1056 Velocity - Walk on by Big Bud - Soul food Flytronix - Rhode tune Alex Reece - Groove (Decon ReFix) I need the other

Basically what takumi always does

1. Power oversteer. 2. Lift off oversteer. 3.Snap oversteer. Snap oversteer is when you try to catch the first two types of oversteer and it SNAPS you the opposite direction.

Isnt Snap Oversteer uncontrolable by definition because is something that happens suddenly and you dont expect?

@grantcanty7294

Жыл бұрын

how i understood the video was that you don't just randomly get snap oversteer. it's seems like it's typically because of driver error like lifting off the throttle too long mid corner. i believe you are correct that there is a small window before you hit the point of no return where you end up losing control

@grantcanty7294

Жыл бұрын

obviously i could be very wrong, so take what i said with a grain of salt, but that's my understanding at least

@ChroniclesofKToyoda

Жыл бұрын

This video is very very incorrectly using the term "snap oversteer", what is shown throughout the video is liftoff oversteer "SNAP" oversteer would've be if his car suddenly turned left in the middle of that right turn during a slide because the rear suddenly gripped up & his countersteer suddenly become regular steering into the wrong direction

Wait wait wait wait wait, you reuploaded this video

No touge for this video Sad, but still good content Always good to have tips from you

Finally🔥

A madman came came here for that

Wonder how European cars like the mini/austin cooper perform on a touge

@wiegraf9009

Жыл бұрын

I mean there's the Alps over there. "Touge" just means "mountain pass" in Japanese.

@metalmoltres8031

Жыл бұрын

@@wiegraf9009 in asseto corsa I'm refering to. I'm asking as to how well eurpoean cars in the era would have performed on such a course compared to Japanese cars of the era. The boom in the 90s for mountain pass racing wasn't much of a thing nor document in Europe other than professional hillclimb.

Very confused why the car model says i6 turbo lol

did you just say the Mr.2 👔

Isn’t snap oversteer is when you’re counter steering too much and the car snaps into the opposite direction?

@yankymate6689

6 ай бұрын

Нет, это когда ты ехал прямо и вдруг смотришь уже перпендикулярно дороге. Быстрее, чем ты прочитал эти слова. Вполне типично для дорестовой в20. Большинство из тех, кто пишет здесь про ВНЕЗАПНУЮ избыточную, применимо к этой машине, понятия не имеют, о чем вообще речь.

4 wheel drift?

Yee

dude what is this track at the beggining, its total seience right?

@gaijingabber1056

Жыл бұрын

wait hold on, its jazz ass right?

1 view, 4 likes.... Understandable

is this a reupload?

Is this a reupload?

Is this re upload??

Longer vids pls or do streams

Thanks

Is this a reupload??

Feels like a reupload

@Junior-wz3dr

Жыл бұрын

Beecaus3 it is

this a reupload?

I could've sworn I was subscribed

@TSRB

Жыл бұрын

KZread has unsubscribed me from some channels recently too

Did he say Mazda 2?

Snap oversteer is MR2

Reupload?

Wait... What?? We have gravel in assetto corsa? When i searched for this a while back i found nothing, anybody care to elaborate?

Wong indonesia jualan viagara padhal serbuk di kwraske akeh kui contohe online.

solution: basically learn how to go fast drifting

that base doesnt qualify for the that flex rig

We need more driving technique!

Please god.... why.

mister 2

This isn't really using snap oversteer - it's just using weight transfer, especially since you're only using a little bit to avoid the snap.

@TSRB

Жыл бұрын

fr????

@ChroniclesofKToyoda

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a bit of bad info for people wanting to understand real snap oversteer, but barring that term as a video about "liftoff" steering it holds true But agreed this video isn't at all about using snap oversteer at all, which you'd never do for a sweeping corner, however S'es/switchbacks/consecutive/hairpins if close enough would be a place where inducing sudden grip to switch directions ala snap oversteer may prove a useful trick

First?

Kui yo polisi dewe sing urusan.

Jelas aku ngrti wogn utekke cah cilik to ngono kui

They/them like your videos less than he/she. Thankfully I'm a he and not a them. Because that would mean I had a Siamese twin attached to me and wouldn't be able to fit into my sim rig.

quite a lot of bs