It’s crazy to see a melee video after all these years and be blessed with the sound of Slime and Ludwig for commentary

@sleepyavenue5572

3 жыл бұрын

It still feels like yesterday when Ludwig used to be a melee compilations channel

"i found some things to exploit" *looks at title*

Lmao amazing. Not even the BLUR DASH was enough??

I really want to try a TAS with this, if I can figure out the complicated set up.

@theeyenzier8190

4 жыл бұрын

Lol just use dolphin it has a built in TAS

@kurtisgibson2929

4 жыл бұрын

how'd it go?

@philorgneopolotin8762

4 жыл бұрын

gamerfreak5665 yeah fr any update? So many people in all of these videos’ comments sections saying they want to run smashbox against TAS. Was it successful? Is the video anywhere on KZread??

@theyhategwa

3 жыл бұрын

Still waiting

@15Monkes

2 жыл бұрын

Waiting still

So this bot actually is beatable, or at least hittable, if it works the way he claims it does. He claimed that the bot will attempt to grab you if you are shielding. But, since some characters in this game have OOS options that are faster than 7 frames, if the bot tries to grab you when you are playing one of those characters, and you then do that OOS option after he has started grabbing (in which case he's commited and can't do something else), your OOS hitbox will beat his grab, thus preventing a JV5.

@funnynin5140

6 жыл бұрын

yea as he said "*[the grab] is technically unsafe*, but it's cool and swaggy so"

@Technicallyaddicted

5 жыл бұрын

I dont understand half of what you said, but I believe you.

@corrosivehail2078

4 жыл бұрын

Remember tho he said he will grab as a mixup so it's not guaranteed

@Moss_Dude

3 жыл бұрын

The thing is you would have to either react to the bot grabbing and use your OOS before it's too late (almost humanly impossible,) or get lucky and input it on the same frame the bot grabs. If you do even 1 frame too early the bot won't grab because that option would be beaten.

@sheridan5175

3 жыл бұрын

It'd have to be frame perfect and you couldn't do it on reaction

What would happen if Smashbot played in doubles? Or vs itself or TAS?

@stanzacosmi

6 жыл бұрын

It can't.

@moahammad1mohammad

6 жыл бұрын

Sunset Shimmer It definitely can.

@Verkern

6 жыл бұрын

he made a video, fox will double shine each other resulting in 2 clanks and then they wd away, and dash and do it again for 8 minutes

@brolo7234

6 жыл бұрын

TAS opens up the Avenue for winning.

How does it do in cruel melee?

*it makes your game faster if you press alt f4*

Now, we've found it's weakness Playing on other stage than Final Destination

20XX is coming, and the only move that will ever be used in Melee tourneys is fox's shine.

@protocetid

11 ай бұрын

Smashbot lands a shine once Smashbot: Omae wa mou SHINEdeiru. player: Nani??

I feel like I'm watching terminal montage

Put the bot against M2k, Armada, Hbox, Mango, and Leffen.

@Xalashaska

3 жыл бұрын

they’d get bodied just the same

@sheridan5175

3 жыл бұрын

@@Xalashaska They'd probably take a couple of stocks

@pureawesomness35093

3 жыл бұрын

I have more faith in m2k than anyone else against smash bot lmao

@Xalashaska

3 жыл бұрын

@@pureawesomness35093 why? because he cheeses 1000 unranked players a day?

@dak-o-lanturn

3 жыл бұрын

@@Xalashaska because hes the real bot

Have they done this with other characters? Id like to see what a perfect bot of low tiers looks like

@shayboual1892

3 жыл бұрын

The reason why fox bot can be so good is because fox simply just has options which are simply not punishable like shine. Low tiers wouldn't really be able to be programmed in this way since they would have counterplay and since the bot is predictable they wouldn't be that good. Unless they were training with learning

@dark0ssx

3 жыл бұрын

@@shayboual1892 I just mean were its programmed to played as best as it can, through machine learning

@shayboual1892

3 жыл бұрын

@@dark0ssx ah then yes I agree. I'm surprised no one has programmed a bot like that yet

@equinox3861

3 жыл бұрын

@@shayboual1892 A lot of moves aren't punishable if a computer is playing lol and even shine would be punishable if a computer was on the receiving end of it.

How would a bot made to work on a character without a lagless move do? Like on Cpt. Falcon or peach or sheik or something

i did not expect to hear Ludwig and Slime when i started this video lol

@aitan6593

3 жыл бұрын

For anyone who didn’t know, Slime was a melee organizer and Lud was just “his friend”. Hence the phrase, “Slime’s friend”.

@BillytheEntertainer

3 жыл бұрын

@@aitan6593 that's hilarious in retrospect given Ludwig's blow up in popularity lol

"what about randy forwards?" at 0:58 had me dying

Smashbot v Pro? - Ok, sounds fine. Smashbot on Fox? - Are you high?

I think I would fight that game cube if it did me this dirty.

Still dying to see Smashbot vs TAS. Also 2 or more Smashbots fighting each other. Please?

@stanzacosmi

6 жыл бұрын

It can't. It can only play against marth.

@Jcend

6 жыл бұрын

Sunset Shimmer Why do you say that?

@stanzacosmi

6 жыл бұрын

Smashbots fighting smashbots is impossible. It only works on player 2 and assumes you're player 1, and it against tas would be smashbot against a perfect player.

@stanzacosmi

6 жыл бұрын

And for the marth comment characters with projectiles would be impossible to get the read on projectiles.

@balthazarmoimeaux3715

6 жыл бұрын

in fact it can play against math/fox/falco/samus (for now) he knows those match up but it has fram data of every char, the only thing that counters him is counterpick stages, it can only fight on sd) Go watch the full video of smashbot vs pro, it's in vgbootcamps vod. so a tas could be made against tasbot.

Everyone keeps saying this bot vs other pros, or other bot programs But why not this bot vs multiple pros at once?

@LT1

3 жыл бұрын

Any competent players would win a 2v1.

Ultra instinct goku vs jiren

vs the pros, and also blur

Imagine that thing as Pichu.

@ChronoSquare

3 жыл бұрын

would need to be completely rewritten, looks like it's purely written for Fox

please make it play other characters as well i'd love to see pros v.s bowser true swag

part 2 pls

Can we see smashbot vs giga bowser?

It never leaves the ground. Is this the future?

Blur plays melee?

Could it beat brawl meta knight?

came for an interesting video, surprised to hear ludwig and slime :^)

@danhan67

3 жыл бұрын

o7

I would've liked seeing a 3 v 1 against the bot with the pros

You should make a video with smashbot vs smashbot.

@ShanaSama26

6 жыл бұрын

He did.

And I'm still here grinding Blur Dashes

Virgin Amiibo vs Chad Smashbot

And Leffen says Marth is favored.

probly only works against marth + other waveshineable characters

Are we really gonna count blur as a pro

What a nice name i wonder what happens when i press the buttons

So like.........are they all just gonna play Marth?

Is that Ludwig and slime?

*_justmarthystuff_* chaingrabbing them to death on FD

young lud AWOOGA 👀

Unreal

How Do I Get SmashBot?

I dont know irf it would matter, but I dont know why they didnt get any really good pro to play it but all well, or is this just showing the jv5s and there were other sets that went better as well?

@steelwall4396

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter. The bot has an instant reaction time and perfect frame data. If you throw out an attack it will simply power shield of spot dodge into shine The only way to hit it would be to frame trap it, which isn't possible in neutral against a shine only Fox. It doesn't matter who fights it, they literally can't hit it The only thing they can do is pick Fox/Falco and clang shines best case scenario

Slime and Lud? This feels... Weird.

Ludwig and slime here

Pick puff and lwdgecamp timeout

Hi. First of all, i would like to say thank you for brining AI to Smash. i have one concern tho, and i'm sure you've heard it many time: there should be a human-like reaction time implemented in a bot (or a new/different version of it, that would start to learn all over again with the reaction time). Main issue is, when we think to AI in games, reaction time isnt an issue that has been talked a lot about. In Chess and in Go, the game is turn by turn. Therefore one can take as much time as he needs to (i know it's within 2 hours limit, but it is still long enough) in order to play. Then the bot can play, as fast or as slow as he wants to. The fact is that the game is not reaction-time based (of course there is a 2hours limit) but it is turn by turn based, which makes reaction time almost irrelevant. In the game of smash. And almost every video games that isnt turn-by-turn based, reaction time IS PART OF THE GAME. If you take it off, it is not the same game at all. The strategy of the game, the meta game, how you move, when you decide to attack, etc. every timing is based on your reaction time. Reaction time IS PART OF THE GAME. This is why reaction time should be implemented in order to make a really interesting bot that we can learn from if it is even possible with average computational power, to make an AI that can beat the pros. (Because even if it is cool to watch a frame-perfect infinite waveshine, we all know it is not realistic and it gets boring to watch/play against after a while) A reaction time of about 0.25-0.3sec should be implemented. Even this is quite fast since it will have almost instant option selection and action (so i think going to 0.3sec should be the best). (Note that the reaction time only apply in reaction to your opponent action, not to yours (for exemple, if ou are inputing an input sequence, it could be frame perfect between each of those input, since you already knew you were going to input those)) Hope you've read this, and hope to see a bot like that soon! (also with videos showing his evolution would be crazy interesting)

@helengriffin358

6 жыл бұрын

Gullshunter the bot is designed to be impossible to beat

@NonJohns

6 жыл бұрын

The point is to show that melee is an easy game

@spectrillium

6 жыл бұрын

Adding a reaction time completly defeats the purpose of the bot. The point of this bot existing is to show what near perfect melee could look like.

@pcrsweetness

6 жыл бұрын

also, this bot is not a learning algorithm

@hocuspocus5256

6 жыл бұрын

pcrsweetness Exactly. This guy put a few months into designing smashbot. A learning algorithm is outside the scope of his skills and would take a team of people to implement. When AI tools become more available and computer processing becomes cheaper, we can consider building a learning smashbot with human reaction time. Right now anybody with those skills to create that is going to be using them on a real job making good money. We will have to wait some years before seeing a smashbot that learns and performs akin to OpenAI DotA project or what deepmind is doing with StarCraft. Both those projects are composed of entire teams of people who are more or less geniuses when it comes to AI systems. That's what it takes to create an AI a step up from this, one that could beat top players with human reaction time constraints factored in. It's an entirely different order of magnitude in difficulty to create what OP is proposing.

So the bot is a can of spam someone beats it and breaks the bot because of jigglypuff

This last man is the biggest streamer now...huh

@rektyrektingson4668

3 жыл бұрын

Ludwig. Ikr he's come do far

Level 99 CPU

Ludwig throwing for content, as usual.

Watching this bot on the menu screens is giving me arthritis.

is that slime?

Extrauniversal artificial intelligence intrauniversal wormhole

look its cody schwab

20XX has taken form

let smashbot play campaigne mode

@JSRFModCentral

6 жыл бұрын

Neonicon smash bot would loose on stage 1 because it’s only programmed to play on FD.

@rickywalters7717

3 жыл бұрын

@@JSRFModCentral What about VS Master/Crazy Hand then?

@JSRFModCentral

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickywalters7717 still loose

I dont see why iBDW cant do this.

4 stock bodied in less than a minute at 0%. Humanity is fuckin doomed.

Is that Ludwig I hear ?

@loot737

3 жыл бұрын

he plays at 6:28

this cpu must be put at 127369420

bots need to be limited by latency and remote control ping.

FT Ludwig

Ludwig and slime!!

It's not that hard to beat Marth on FD cidy

Hahahahahahaha good bot, idk who program it but it is good against marth

Shoulda pivot downtilt

It’s so frustrating to watch XD

I wanna see two bots fight

Surprised nobody tried countering

@Voltronman

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregoryford2532 timestamp?

SFAT was right all along, fox wins on FD vs marth

Play puff and rest you win

5:06 for those of you on laptops you might need to hold the fn as well. Your welcome

I bet M2k would still win. He's is the robot afterall.

@sheridan5175

3 жыл бұрын

He'd take a stock and plank

Hungrybox + Zain vs 1 bot.

People are laughing at this But this is the code the terminators of the future will be running.

Lol.

Personally i would have rather seen a smashbot with 15 frame reaction time implemented, because it seems kind of boring to have a bot that just reacts frame 1 to everything

All it did was spam shine

@ChillavaKirby

6 жыл бұрын

MM 352 Well yeah. It's shine.

@MM-qe7nk

6 жыл бұрын

Chillava there’s other things it could’ve done

@SB2749

4 жыл бұрын

That's the best thing it could do.

Pro Smash players just make me grit my teeth😬😬

@spicymeatballs2thespicening

3 жыл бұрын

Why

@LT1

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody in this video is a pro but go off

Who are these "pros"? And why the heck do most of them not even seem to acknowledge what they're doing? You're fighting a god AI. Have some fun. It's not serious. You're not supposed to win.

@pwnography577

6 жыл бұрын

Chillava Lmao they're top level players and well known players in the community, and they seem like they are having a lot of fun. Of course they want to see if they can beat or exploit it, they're basically helpless against this bot and they know it, I saw a lot of silly fun stuff in the video. I don't know what you expected from this video, but I saw a lot of fun and personality in this video.

@garretrodriguez

4 жыл бұрын

@@pwnography577 Not really, the game froze every time the players were winning, so this bot is beatable when not freezing 24/7 the full 2 hour clip shows how vulnerable the bot really is.