Great review , bravo fo Huston Kiteboarding crew

I bought this exact set up - 3'10" board and 633 foil - from Houston Kiteboarding. It's AWESOME! I learned on this rig, have improved very quickly on it, and see no end in site in terms of outgrowing it. Hard turns, cruisy turns, surfing...it's all good! The foil is plenty fast for non-psycho purposes and generates tons of user-friendly lift. That being said, I look forward to getting the next-fastest foil and doing a direct swap with the 633...

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

Joel, you're the man! Great setup for sure. Thanks for the comment!

Such a great review you guys! Thank you! P.S. 1100 for even lighter winds!?

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

So Fun! Slingshot is coming out with larger wings for the Phantasm which is why we were really putting that fuselage and mast to the test. I'm thinking that they will have something as large as the 99cm infinity (1100 moses) in the lineup by summer time. Thanks for the comment!

If I don't find any used moses or armstrong before the season starts, I'll get this one. Nice to see the wing compatibility.

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tomas! We have them here. We also sell Armstrong and Moses.

@tomasgulas

3 жыл бұрын

@@midlerp thanks, ill wait for the weather to warm up here in Sacramento. I'm thinking of the 633. Due to the shorter mast, and possibly winging options. Though I have been foiling for 3 years but do not care for all that speed that the other phantasm models offer.

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomasgulas for sure! 102cm is a legit long mast, I'm very excited for the wing foil options on this setup. I think Slingshot made great call going to such a bomber design for long term multisport clients. Thanks!!

great video, i've watched your 633/657/730, would you also get a chance to review its PTM 684? Thanks

Hello, what is your feedback on using a wingboard for kite foil? Thinking at using a kite for light wind and medium to high the wing

I noticed the gap u talk about when adding the moses foil is present when mounting w950 moses wing. I also noticed when I put the original wing 633, there is the same gap in the back, but longer. No gap in front.

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

For sure. Did you use some foam tape or something to fill it? It is probably fine in any case. We were just stoked that the bolts holes lined up and the camber was close to a match. a flush fit was probably too much to ask for. Thanks for the comment.

@tomasgulas

3 жыл бұрын

@@midlerp I will use the tape next time, but I was surprised there was gap even with the slingshot 633 wing. Kind of concerning that it did not lign up perfectly

Will you guys be reviewing the new wing for this foil? I've using sabfoil w950 with this set up and would like to go to something smaller, which the new wing is.

@midlerp

2 жыл бұрын

We will...we have been getting all of the new phantasm wings and units in and getting them on the water. We plan to do a review of all of the units side by side. Thank you for your comment

Will other winging wing fit other than the 1100? I see there are bit smaller wings like 1000 or 950 and I wonder if those would fit. I'd say yes as they are also for winging and logically should fit the same moses fuselage. Did you try fitting those as well?

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Tomas. so we have not try those wings but I would believe they would work on the Phantasm as well. Really can't wait to see what Slingshot is coming out with soon.

@tomasgulas

3 жыл бұрын

@@midlerp can't wait either, super excited!

Does it float up on it's side like the 91/Onda (Ghost Whisper 91)? Or does the foil drop and it drifts downwind. Any different whether mounted to a floaty deck vs pocket deck? (yes I hate having to body drag multiple upwind tacks to get back to bobbing 633 on a pocket board). Thanks

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

It will drop in the water with any board that has volume on the rails. So if it is a pocket board but actually has some thickness to it, it won't stay on its side. The thin wood boards like the Crazyflys etc will sink on their side and give that wing a chance to float and stay up wind. For others reading this comment that have not experienced the phenomenon....it is a thing and very annoying!

@mec322

3 жыл бұрын

@@midlerp thanks for the response. Yes it IS a PITA! KS 37" w/633..."I need you to come pick me up". KS 37" w/679..."I'll come meet you down there"

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

@@mec322 LOL! For sure.That is the main move to just switch the front wing out if you like the rest of the setup.

Foil brands really should standardise the naming/sizing. It's far more logical naming the foil by its area rather than wingspan. For example with this range the 633=1270cm2, 730=665cm2, 657=743cm2, this clearly shows the wingspan doesn't give a clear idea of the size of the wing. Just a thought

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

Amen to that! So confusing, and I do this for a living!

Will this Phantasm 633 wing work on the older Ghostwhisperer fuselage?

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

No way. I haven't tried but would be absolutely blown away if it did. The GW wing had a lot less camber along with a bunch of other factors.

What is the weight of the complete foil without Board? I don't find any description..

@dominicelmer2978

3 жыл бұрын

With the 633 combination

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Is the wizardhat hw m6? Looks like it, the hw that comes with the board is m8 I think.

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

The wizard hat T-bolts are M6 but are designed to work in EITHER M6 or M8 hydrofoil slots and tracks so it will work with either one. Thank you for the comment!

@tomasgulas

3 жыл бұрын

@@midlerp thanks for clarifying!

not a fan of the downward-pointing winglets. more fragile, drag and wonder why such a big wing would need additional tracking. also the slot i think requires high production precision and as such rather gives room for unprecise fit. finally why spend so much money if you can't rely on the brand to stick to a consistent system/approach. Moses/SAB has clear advantages with its proven modular system. if i spend that money i want the best, not a good alternative. nice vid though, keep it up.

@midlerp

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, you are correct at these speeds the winglets do NOTHING. It is for the guys who plan to get hit in the face with that wing edge at some point. From experience winglets are nice and soft compared to an edge like the Moses 633. This is a common design feature on a lot of wings that are slated for freeride. Higher aspect and specialty wings will be more efficient and demand more experience so they drop the winglets in general. Thanks for the comment and keen observation!