Slavoj Zizek: God in Pain: Inversions of Apocalypse conversation with Jack Miller

in HD which I wasn't able to retrieve vimeo.com/41178624
www.lfla.org/event-detail/707/...
Slavoj Zizek, renowned Slovenian critical theorist, dissects and reconstructs three major faith-based systems of belief in the world today, showing how each faith understands humanity and divinity-and how the differences between the faiths may be far stranger than they at first seem.
Jack Miles is Senior Fellow for Religious Affairs with the Pacific Council on International Policy and Distinguished Professor of English and Religious Studies, University of California, Irvine. A MacArthur Fellow (2003-2007), Miles won the Pulitzer Prize in 1996 for God: A Biography, which has since been translated into sixteen languages. He is currently general editor of the forthcoming Norton Anthology of World Religions.

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  • @walterh234
    @walterh23411 жыл бұрын

    Žižek was my fellow at Ljubljana University in the 70ties. I remeber that he was so "crazy" intelligent at that time. At the first Lacan's session I escaped because was too uncomprehensible that kind of mind dialectic. Now am sorry for that. He never smoked or even on drugs, his mind is so full of informations that his "tics" are simply a moderating gesture of his thoughts!

  • @boskopils4153

    @boskopils4153

    3 жыл бұрын

    I saw Slavoj Zizek at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

  • @angelohieronymous2692

    @angelohieronymous2692

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@boskopils4153 bruh i dont think he gets it

  • @nukepizzaa

    @nukepizzaa

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@boskopils4153 I don't believe any of this

  • @liphardusmagus5970

    @liphardusmagus5970

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nukepizzaa i think its a copypasta

  • @arpanmitra6624

    @arpanmitra6624

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@boskopils4153 i dunno why i have to read the whole thing everytime i come across this, but its so funny ahhahah

  • @HToothrot
    @HToothrot12 жыл бұрын

    I like how it says "conversation" in the title

  • @alviag
    @alviag11 жыл бұрын

    Are we Watching Zizek so we dont need to think for ourselfs....? Is it like Friends where we watch people laugh and feel relived yourselfs, are we not pleases that there are people who think about those kinda things and we are able to watch them

  • @Hardcoreforliife

    @Hardcoreforliife

    4 жыл бұрын

    Fuck

  • @lgor6837

    @lgor6837

    3 жыл бұрын

    Shit mate

  • @theRiver_joan

    @theRiver_joan

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey man

  • @112233habib

    @112233habib

    3 жыл бұрын

    zizek does that when he reads jaques lacan ...

  • @bilbowild

    @bilbowild

    Жыл бұрын

    I have an addiction

  • @DiabloPlayer4life
    @DiabloPlayer4life11 жыл бұрын

    Jack Miles is one of the few people that I have actually seen have more of a conversation with Zizek than most other people - and while he lets Zizek talk, he actually prompts Zizek to talk, and elaborates greatly. Good man :)

  • @avantgardenovelist
    @avantgardenovelist9 жыл бұрын

    17:02: Zizek with a southern US accent

  • @alexdom213

    @alexdom213

    9 жыл бұрын

    Hahahahahahahahahaha right on :)

  • @GioGio808

    @GioGio808

    5 жыл бұрын

    That is the one of the best comments I ever read , why it has only 19 likes ?

  • @inszti

    @inszti

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hahahahahahahahaha.... I just shit myself... Good thing I was sitting on the toilet...

  • @TheYopogo

    @TheYopogo

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's exactly what I thought when I heard that bit. You're spot on.

  • @KalinTsvyatkov

    @KalinTsvyatkov

    4 жыл бұрын

    again at 1:01:22

  • @IsaacMcCaslin
    @IsaacMcCaslin9 жыл бұрын

    starts at 3:20

  • @keeperofthecheese
    @keeperofthecheese9 жыл бұрын

    1:00:00 "I'm a jesuit volunteer" "JAMES BOND?" LOL

  • @jogurtburek979

    @jogurtburek979

    7 жыл бұрын

    axaxaaxaaxaxax

  • @ajnorthrop9121

    @ajnorthrop9121

    3 жыл бұрын

    The fact that this video contains the most moving exegesis of Christianity I’ve read outside of Augustine, an anecdote about cybermice and also this exchange is why I stan Zizek.

  • @nickmorrow2613

    @nickmorrow2613

    3 жыл бұрын

    So funny

  • @thesenate3009
    @thesenate30094 жыл бұрын

    love how the guy with the first question decides to just casually mention Finnegan’s Wake and Menippean satire to show everyone he’s very a smart and Intellectual™️

  • @sandworm9528

    @sandworm9528

    Жыл бұрын

    You think that Finnegan's wake is "intellectual", doesn't every high schooler read it?

  • @nakedworldtv
    @nakedworldtv Жыл бұрын

    "You know" My favorite thing to hear over and over in Zizek's lectures. And of course "I am about to finish. Don't worry". Every time.

  • @eyesocketplug6989
    @eyesocketplug69897 жыл бұрын

    What if laughter in this video is canned?

  • @AlissasCouch

    @AlissasCouch

    5 жыл бұрын

    What if the laughter that comes from cans were just videos??? 😬

  • @DillonPlaysGuitar

    @DillonPlaysGuitar

    4 жыл бұрын

    I like how he gestured to the audience to complete the joke by providing canned laughter, but nobody did.

  • @not2tees
    @not2tees11 жыл бұрын

    What an amazing and delightful mix of philosopher and comedian is Zizek.

  • @Sir_Typesalot
    @Sir_Typesalot24 күн бұрын

    The leader of Bosnian Serbs, Radovan Karadzic, wasn’t predominantly a poet, but a clinical psychiatrist. After earning his M.D. in Bosnia, he took a postgraduate course in clinical psychiatry at Columbia University in NY. Upon returning to Bosnia, he opened his own private practice, specialising in depression and neurosis. He was also the counselling psychiatrist in three sport clubs in the 1980. He wrote and published children’s books and poems, but in his native country, he was foremost known as a psychiatrist.

  • @sandraseeper
    @sandraseeper2 жыл бұрын

    He is entertaining, and am drawn to genuinely listen. My mind feels alive and connected to many dimensions within conversation.

  • @thomasstephenson4043
    @thomasstephenson40434 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the upload :)

  • @newagereactionary
    @newagereactionary11 жыл бұрын

    There's an ad before this video; I love it!

  • @andrewroberts8139
    @andrewroberts81399 жыл бұрын

    Terrific introduction, by the way.

  • @fra-kolpanzer
    @fra-kolpanzer5 жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know what the musical piece in the beginning is? Is it a fragment of some musical piece or just an intro for the show?

  • @jrg8
    @jrg812 жыл бұрын

    "you are not a complete idiot." I love you Zizek.

  • @BurntToastVault
    @BurntToastVault12 жыл бұрын

    Zizek is on top form here! absolutely blazing!

  • @RICHARDGRANNON
    @RICHARDGRANNON9 жыл бұрын

    I am in man love with this man.

  • @miri8851

    @miri8851

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sooooo.... gay? Men can love men in romantic platonic etc ways.

  • @lifepuddle3036

    @lifepuddle3036

    2 жыл бұрын

    It took 6 year's but, we got him

  • @slothmode3590

    @slothmode3590

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lifepuddle3036 lol

  • @MichelleE110
    @MichelleE11011 жыл бұрын

    awesome, incredible.

  • @Zirc0nium69
    @Zirc0nium6911 жыл бұрын

    well said, sir. tipping my hat towards you.

  • @sxfocksx
    @sxfocksx11 жыл бұрын

    "Thank you. I hope i was not too crazy..."

  • @lievenyperman9363
    @lievenyperman9363 Жыл бұрын

    "I am a Jesuit volunteer." Zizek: "Jamesss Bond?"

  • @evenkeel87
    @evenkeel8712 жыл бұрын

    I would really love to hear Zizek's thoughts on Bataille.

  • @flyLeonardofly
    @flyLeonardofly11 жыл бұрын

    yes you are spot on about that

  • @sycamore6935
    @sycamore6935 Жыл бұрын

    The world is not about to begin, the world is _about_ to continue, actually it already is

  • @skyadriana5419
    @skyadriana541910 жыл бұрын

    a very good introduction. Congratulations to the panel leader!

  • @TheBailongas
    @TheBailongas12 жыл бұрын

    great stuff

  • @marcuswagner6312
    @marcuswagner63128 жыл бұрын

    What is essentially Rene Girard's explanation of the crucifixion is something that I think Zizek should be made aware of, if he hasn't already encountered it. I recommend anyone interested in Zizek to read Girard. I would say don't read Girard without reading Hegel, but you shouldn't be reading Zizek without reading Hegel, either.

  • @ethanthomas7372

    @ethanthomas7372

    5 жыл бұрын

    He does know about Girard. In his talk with Jean-Pierre Dupuy (day two, i.e. post-lecture) they talk out Girard's Christianity. Apparently they both agree but Girard, but Girard changed his mind later - so Girard is the only one of the three who doesn't believe Girard.

  • @musicloverkathy

    @musicloverkathy

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unless reading Zizek leads you to reading Hegel.

  • @Synodalian

    @Synodalian

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ethanthomas7372 Wait....what changed Girard's mind?

  • @ethanthomas7372

    @ethanthomas7372

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Synodalian No idea. They didn't say anything besides that.

  • @TheBiomuse

    @TheBiomuse

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ethanthomas7372 Girard (who was a personal friend) didn’t “change his mind.” I surmise that they were expecting that Girard’s apparently paratheistic remapping of Christian theology should have resulted in his own atheism (as do most people when they first encounter his thought; as did I). It did not, because he viewed it as a genuine decoding, without presuming that a teleological examination is somehow equivalent to an alternative epistemology. Egotistical, perhaps, but it confirmed for him the social necessity of religion and the social advantage of functioning Christianity specifically. Zizek’s interesting move here is to locate that functional valence between persons rather than within.

  • @brandontart
    @brandontart11 жыл бұрын

    Last question was the most pertinent. SZ touching on the idea that the man who blows himself up does so as an act to convince himself that he believes. This is in contrast to Paul&Christ: JC telling believers "not to worry", and Paul said: "be anxious for nothing". Fear & worry serve as inactions, where relaxing into their words' truth reveal the truest acts of faith. Mary and Martha Lk10:38-42, for instance, tells the same story. Christian belief then:when one no longer acts to prove to self.

  • @jayaramj9630
    @jayaramj96306 жыл бұрын

    Zizek!! What a genius..

  • @MateuszSiwiak
    @MateuszSiwiak11 жыл бұрын

    I want 7 hours!

  • @markdzima
    @markdzima11 жыл бұрын

    I had that thought too!

  • @RICHARDGRANNON
    @RICHARDGRANNON9 жыл бұрын

    42:35 "every ideology to be operative, shouldnt go to the end, it has to leave its true implications a little bit in shadow" you could exchange the word ideology for neurosis here and it still makes sense.

  • @melo7444

    @melo7444

    9 жыл бұрын

    SPARTANLIFECOACH considering his psychoanalytic background and the tension between conscious and unconscious elements of ideology in his work, I'd say that's a fair comparison.

  • @mlonyenioner

    @mlonyenioner

    9 жыл бұрын

    SPARTANLIFECOACH but isn't it true that, my godt, ideology today IS just a neurosis. even fukuyama is not a fukuyamaist how should i put it

  • @melo7444

    @melo7444

    9 жыл бұрын

    mlonyenioner brilliant

  • @RICHARDGRANNON

    @RICHARDGRANNON

    9 жыл бұрын

    my got!

  • @elizabethsharp1607

    @elizabethsharp1607

    9 жыл бұрын

    nice find, thank you for sharing. I am concerned about my parents and the new "wave" of christian movements that is heading (in my opinion) very far from the basic teaching of Christ...leading a new "prophetic movement" that is really dangereous toward the harsh judgement of "God." The final days and so forth. I would even go so far as to say, pretty narcissistic... masked as "false humility." But who am I to judge right? I just had to walk away years ago when I saw the "reality" and refused to make ammends with my own parents in denial (which was submitting to authority that was unaccountable) Talk about. Being humble, loving and non-judgmental. Silence of lambs...

  • @IzmirWayne
    @IzmirWayne6 жыл бұрын

    Can anyone please give me a link to the original text of the story he tells at 48:02

  • @bloodynoes
    @bloodynoes12 жыл бұрын

    What's the music at the beginning (jazz piano)? Sounds cool....

  • @ujean56
    @ujean5610 жыл бұрын

    Now that's entertainment.

  • @Kobe29261

    @Kobe29261

    9 жыл бұрын

    Your comment makes me very happy! Of course in a pseudo-intellectual; "I-also-get-it!" kind of sense but this is only a break in the struggle. Keep well!

  • @shankyxyz
    @shankyxyz11 жыл бұрын

    the point about hyper-agreement with ideology is so true and so funny.

  • @kasraman
    @kasraman12 жыл бұрын

    very classy ending

  • @emmailiaki3015
    @emmailiaki3015 Жыл бұрын

    The jazzy opening tune is great, too!!! Any body knows the name?

  • @keplerskitty5949
    @keplerskitty594911 жыл бұрын

    zizek has that awesome element of insane genius, I'm just in a trance when I watch and listen to him...

  • @lyndonbailey3965
    @lyndonbailey396511 жыл бұрын

    Zizek is the one who knocks

  • @whoisbbg
    @whoisbbg11 жыл бұрын

    That is a good point.

  • @Technicolor909
    @Technicolor90912 жыл бұрын

    I love hearing what Zizek has to say about Hitchens. Slavoj, I think, is much more human than Hitch, especially considering Hitch was fully endeared to human decency, whereas Slavoj seems to realize that religion is more of a social order than a gimmick for power.

  • @guadalajara4848
    @guadalajara484811 жыл бұрын

    very interesting initial music. Does anyone know who is playing ?

  • @camaraholaciudad
    @camaraholaciudad11 жыл бұрын

    I love it when Miles is trying to be funny that Zizek asks him: "What is the connection between not trusting Mexicans and trusting you?"

  • @upalgangopadhyay7117

    @upalgangopadhyay7117

    10 ай бұрын

    10 years late but can we just talk about how he absolutely ruined the joke by answering? 😂

  • @greenmountainfarms7515

    @greenmountainfarms7515

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@upalgangopadhyay7117Agreed.

  • @Stupidityindex
    @Stupidityindex11 жыл бұрын

    This guy throws ideas out so fast it's for me like running on a treadmill when I am out of condition.

  • @musicloverkathy

    @musicloverkathy

    2 жыл бұрын

    The most exhausting is his conversation with Cornel West. Not only have they read everything, they can quote from them like rapid fire tennis balls flying out of one of those machines. It's absolutely terrifying. I love how Zizek prefers the minimalistic use of language in Beckett over the blah, blah, blah of Joyce, but has to make people not worry that he's Castro and will talk for 7 hours, which he could do without a 2nd thought. I absolutely love his fascination and openness to every aspect of culture and his liberating humour. He is pure joy.

  • @nedefinisani.5950
    @nedefinisani.595011 жыл бұрын

    Excellent, especially after 1:00...great insights, very linkable to buddhism and vedanta

  • @MrCscardenas
    @MrCscardenas10 жыл бұрын

    Can you put subtitles in spanish? Please! Thank you

  • @glenc5185
    @glenc51852 ай бұрын

    16:25 What dies on the cross? 18:20 Chesterton's reading of 'Eli eli lama sabachthani?'

  • @HaikuMalta
    @HaikuMalta9 жыл бұрын

    He actually makes a point from "thank you for smoking", twenty minutes in.

  • @Nexustonothing
    @Nexustonothing11 жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know if he has written more on this cascade from poetry to philosophy, … as a justification for bad things and so on?

  • @jungiantrip
    @jungiantrip11 жыл бұрын

    The Lewis Black of Philosophers. Genius.

  • @ToddBoopable
    @ToddBoopable11 жыл бұрын

    I read somewhere that he calls them "tics". But yeah, I think it has to do with nervousness.

  • @AndrewMann552
    @AndrewMann55211 жыл бұрын

    Would be interesting to hear Zizek discuss Thomas Muntzer and the Anabaptists, he briefly mentions Muntzer in his introduction to "Trotsky: Terrorism & Communism."

  • @vonroretz3307
    @vonroretz33077 жыл бұрын

    The "perverse God" is the God of Calvinism. Always the elephant in the room, Calvin is firmly behind the binary dualism of Decartes and Rousseau.

  • @darthrevan3342

    @darthrevan3342

    4 жыл бұрын

    No, Calvin give stuff like the Man Devil not Rousseau.. Rousseau is all about virtue and happyness, Man Devil is all about vice = virtue

  • @DSteinman
    @DSteinman2 жыл бұрын

    Wow, a fellow Steinman! 😃

  • @Velkar182
    @Velkar18211 жыл бұрын

    What kind of act does Zizek say it is (at 1:13:05 )? "It is much more a ( ) act."

  • @TheHardProblem
    @TheHardProblem11 жыл бұрын

    FYI: Hitchens and Zizek knew each other and were on friendly terms

  • @NovemberTheHacker

    @NovemberTheHacker

    3 жыл бұрын

    You have to be polite with those who are dead inside.

  • @kinkokonko
    @kinkokonko11 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant debate. The only thing I can confirm is Man made God. The rest is brilliant insight into how we think

  • @dzhibrish
    @dzhibrish11 жыл бұрын

    What do you mean by radical atheism in your reply? and where is it presented?

  • @Peakage
    @Peakage8 жыл бұрын

    at 60:20 did he say James Bond? "...Jesuit..." "James Bond!?!?" "...Jesuit..."

  • @debordwalk
    @debordwalk11 жыл бұрын

    56:15 disappointment in jurgen habermas; "it's dangerous to do it if we follow that path...so let's not do it...Some things be better left unknown."

  • @todayisokay4075
    @todayisokay407510 ай бұрын

    Slavoj seems to miss the idea that a God's capability might only be achieved through specific paths. The idea is that God might be all-powerful, but to get what they want they have to follow recipes. Also, please fix the title, I believe you meant to type: "Jack Miles" not "Jack Miller"

  • @colindevane
    @colindevane10 жыл бұрын

    It's Jack Miles not Jack Miller

  • @HamidRehman100794
    @HamidRehman10079411 жыл бұрын

    The image is both horrifying and extremely humorous in a reality enhancing way *sniffle* *sniffle*

  • @theongreyjoy1947
    @theongreyjoy19476 жыл бұрын

    40:30 what is this?

  • @brek5
    @brek511 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, if you go to some of his other talks on the subject, it might be clearer. Just google it or, if you like philosophy, check out the documentary "Examined Life." I think he talks about it in there....could be wrong, though. He is definitely in it, though.

  • @godotkrull579
    @godotkrull579 Жыл бұрын

    Starting very nice and then again: Repetition Repetition Repetition... I guess he needs to, it's okay, but I think I'm done now! Thank You SO much Slavoj! Before you die: Plz give as a whole theoretical Book which is it's own subject. Like the Phenomenology of spirit by Hegel, the Critique of pure Reason by Kant and the World as Will and Representation by Schopenhauer! PLZ! Seriously! This one I would read!!!

  • @Freakingeediot
    @Freakingeediot12 жыл бұрын

    I think he's actually doing it right.

  • @debordwalk
    @debordwalk11 жыл бұрын

    59:45 good

  • @Stupidityindex
    @Stupidityindex11 жыл бұрын

    05:10 my reading too.

  • @debordwalk
    @debordwalk11 жыл бұрын

    1:14:00 Zizek argues for the Occupational Art School

  • @Oishi08
    @Oishi0811 жыл бұрын

    going up-in-smoke with this Indica strain I picked up from the Dispensary this week, just bored, reading Alain Badiou; wrapping the night studying philosophy @Zizek Studies...

  • @megavide0
    @megavide011 жыл бұрын

    ^ >> The first duty of philosophy is making You understand what deep shit You're in."

  • @jimmyart007
    @jimmyart00710 жыл бұрын

    It's called subversive thought, what's all the fuss about? It's fun.

  • @thumb023
    @thumb02311 жыл бұрын

    I think his nose itches ♥

  • @lloplop
    @lloplop11 жыл бұрын

    rihanna @ 1:07:20?

  • @jeffreyallen2382
    @jeffreyallen238211 жыл бұрын

    2) He holds that the Christian dialectic (as he describes it) is the path to that structural shift. I hesitate to use this example, but there is a very obvious difference between the atheism of Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens and the atheism of Sartre and Camus. In the former, there is absolutely no radical change of subjectivity.

  • @maxstirner5361
    @maxstirner536111 жыл бұрын

    CLOSE... it's Max Stirner.

  • @badbegetsbad
    @badbegetsbad11 жыл бұрын

    I exploded with laughter.

  • @mutatismutandis6051
    @mutatismutandis605111 жыл бұрын

    right................

  • @TheJoyfulPianist
    @TheJoyfulPianist11 жыл бұрын

    Dawkins rests on the same absolutist premise as religious fundamentalists. Both camps think they know the truth. Zizek, like most thoughtful persons, doesn't claim to know the truth. He is therefore a rival to Dawkins in my opinion.

  • @MrHerzog333
    @MrHerzog33312 жыл бұрын

    there's a small section on Bataille in The Parallax View saying that Bataille is the philosopher of "the passion for the Real" or something. What I don't get is why Zizek never mentions Baudrillard who is so close to Zizek own project. Also, to everyone here, what is the point of the white haired guy making the comment about Mexicans? Was he serious or what?

  • @mutatismutandis6051
    @mutatismutandis605111 жыл бұрын

    Do you have a more *realistic concept of God*? Please elaborate!

  • @nonners21
    @nonners2112 жыл бұрын

    Zizek is on at 3:18

  • @DLock04
    @DLock0411 жыл бұрын

    1:16:16 "Thanks very much. I hope I was not too crazy." Classic.

  • @KingsOfCydonia
    @KingsOfCydonia18 күн бұрын

    What was that at 29:43 " i was never taken for a Mexican" etc. Was it an irony?

  • @echo1174
    @echo11744 жыл бұрын

    The only thing I disagree with is, that these phenomenon are new. I think it's always been this way but, we were at least connected to the cause and effect of our actions, no more.

  • @andyvantino
    @andyvantino12 жыл бұрын

    summary:"Beliefs don’t have do be first person. You have a belief which is nobody’s belief. The children pretend to believe in Santa Clause for their parents… We need to believe that someone believes. The truly Christian gesture is to abandon this objectified belief. If in Life is Beautiful it would have turned out that the boy was aware of how the camp was not a game, this would be such a gesture: that the boy’s show of belief is there to protect his father from breakdown"

  • @not2tees
    @not2tees11 жыл бұрын

    This doesn't necessarily mean that You aren't a troll (I give you a pass, myself) but I think most viewers have to agree with your point about Zizek indeed looking the part of TROLL. He has that Under The Bridge look, all right.

  • @udical
    @udical12 жыл бұрын

    why? do u have some prof?

  • @CPLains
    @CPLains11 жыл бұрын

    time?

  • @justinzacek6713
    @justinzacek671311 жыл бұрын

    "James Bond!?!"

  • @RICHARDGRANNON
    @RICHARDGRANNON12 жыл бұрын

    he really is - and I agree with him totally: they might be "right", but by god they are obnoxious about it

  • @lewisfilms
    @lewisfilms11 жыл бұрын

    I love Zizek AND Hitchens!

  • @Stupidityindex
    @Stupidityindex11 жыл бұрын

    1700 that's the way I read it too.

  • @sabar2453
    @sabar24533 жыл бұрын

    They only spoke about 2 faith based systems, not 3 as it says in the description.

  • @blastpeed
    @blastpeed10 жыл бұрын

    Underneath the presentation which he likes to deploy (he recognises his clownishness & frivolousness, but he has never claimed to be a charlatan, liar or conman), is a guy that really does know his shit.

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