Should we look for spiritual guidance deep inside ourselves, or in 'good alineation', by identifying with others? This is an extract from 'The game of life'. To watch the full debate, head to iai.tv/video/the-game-of-life?KZread&

Powermove by Zizek to start taking notes during a guided meditation

@taomaster2486

7 ай бұрын

Bias move

@JT-si6bl

7 ай бұрын

His Inner Self kicked his ass with a bunch of schooling.

@dt6822

7 ай бұрын

I love this man so much. He really is Diogenes. Never seen someone f@$# with everyone so well and so intelligently. He is a quantum power troll

@aaronjwallace501

4 ай бұрын

GOAT comment

@Kuhanapomaranca

3 ай бұрын

He isn't a troll, he just talks about Hegel@@dt6822

props to Zizek because you know that was pure torture for him

@torquemaddertorquemadder2080

7 ай бұрын

Fortunately, he was fully identified with his mask.

@as-above-so-below-

7 ай бұрын

He said "This world is falling apart, everyone feels lost and you're meditating? MEDITATING??"

@nightoftheworld

7 ай бұрын

seriously

@simonenenkel405

6 ай бұрын

lmao

Zizek sat still for exactly 3 seconds 😂

@jaypee8768

6 ай бұрын

Very bold of you to be this generous. 0.5 sec tops

@insaneartist8381

3 ай бұрын

It's pretty funny because she framed this as an invitation and so he just declined the invitation.

@worldofsimulacra

2 ай бұрын

@@insaneartist8381 he preferred not to

They set up the perfect situation for Zizek to Zizek completely

Whoever set up this situation is a genius. Watching Zizek squirm and fidget was like watching Charlie Chaplin or something. High comedy.

This is the longest minute I’ve experienced.

@TheVelvetTV_Riesenglied

7 ай бұрын

60 seconds from 1:03 to 4:08, she bends spacetime here

Thank goodness for Žižek, he sliced through Lisa Miller’s schtick very masterfully

The fact that destiny is sharing the stage with zizek is a fucking crime

@metalman4393

7 ай бұрын

Like in a good way?

@jedijesses5496

7 ай бұрын

Destiny is a midgrade argument bot (funny against moronic right wingers, theists) but not a thinker that produces original thought or interpretation.

@schadowizationproductions6205

7 ай бұрын

@@metalman4393 in a bad way imo

@Synodalian

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely wasted opportunity imo. They could've gotten into the real meat of all the antagonisms within progressive politics but nope, _iS LifE a gAmE?_

@MonkeyDIvan

7 ай бұрын

@@schadowizationproductions6205 Explain why.

Dude is more real than western civ can handle.

@LARESCIV

7 ай бұрын

Zizek is a Balkan Chad

@ff-qf1th

7 ай бұрын

Is he really Balkan though? (many are saying this)

@LARESCIV

7 ай бұрын

He served in Yugoslavian army, he's born in Slovenia, he speaks all south slavic languages except macedonian, so yeah he's balkan af@@ff-qf1th

@antoinepetrov

Ай бұрын

​@@LARESCIVDoes he speak Bulgarian?

@LARESCIV

Ай бұрын

if he doesnt speak macedonian he probably doesnt bulgarian either i'd imagine@@antoinepetrov

Yes, one of the greatest thinkers of the 21st century is sharing the stage with a health guru bimbo and short online streamer man.

@SisypheanRoller

Ай бұрын

Perfectly said. Soon, after Zizek and his contemporaries are gone, we will have only streamers and bimbos in these seats.

Action Begins 4:15

4:15 Bullshit ends, show starts

@ColtraneTaylor

7 ай бұрын

The bullshit started with Zizek's career.

@ricardopinheiro4104

7 ай бұрын

Tysm

@birdwatching_u_back

2 ай бұрын

Thanks lol. I could feel my sanity tangibly unraveling during the guided “meditation” 🤪

The furiousness of that tonguing, I knew something was coming.

I love this clip, it's so epic. We all know something is coming and we're just waiting for it. 😂

Love how he mimics the applause of the one on his left at the very end, "perfect analogy"

@Xcess007

2 ай бұрын

damn. I didn't catch that first time. amazing xD

this was 3 minutes of pain and not at all 60 sec meditation... if there is a God I hope he blesses Zizek. What a saviour for our minds in these crazy times.

Video starts at 4:10

As a psychologist who has studied mindfulness and its uses in therapy, I have to be honest and say: she did an awful job in guided meditation. She was fast like in a hurry.

@lukeligo7079

7 ай бұрын

That look more like a visualization exercise, nothing about observing the mind or focusing on something like breath an object or feeling, terrible job really!

@DoctorEstoico

7 ай бұрын

@@lukeligo7079 that too. She forgot that guided meditation requires going slow, with a low volume.

@raybailey

6 ай бұрын

Love how she begins by “guiding” us through three “deep breaths” in the span of 2.5 seconds.

@someonewhoreallylikesyoutu8694

6 ай бұрын

She did say it was a 60 sec thought visualization

@EMPANAO321

Ай бұрын

"a psychologist who has studied mindfulness" bro come on

To be completely honest, through directly applying meditative techniques and "going within" I've reached identical conclusions about it as Zizek, there is no fruit to be found within that "going within" other than some temporary feeling of gratification that you yourself have set up by simply believing that what you're doing is profound or significant, the reality is, as he says, to identify with your "must" so much that you simply execute it and assimilate it into yourself.

@dt6822

7 ай бұрын

It's actually even worse than that if you think about it applying everything we've learned from Slavoj. It is the ultimate con that works very much like religion. You actually pay someone to tell you or help guide you to sit there and do nothing, apparently to reach some ultimate place of enlightened nirvana, that you never reach, and which you can only know you've reached when you have reached it, such that you permanently search in pursuit of that thing which you never know if you have found until you have allegedly found it. 😊 psychology gets one thing right: all your responses to the world, all the emotional pain we endure, everything that we experience, is inside your mind, and is under your control a lot more than you believe. But they're wrong about everything else.

@valchaars

7 ай бұрын

I believe one shouldn’t pay for meditation. There are meditation retriets and centers that only ask you to cover your accomodation and meals if you wish to learn from the teachers. Otherwise the internet and libraries have extensive resources. To me meditation isn’t about sitting and doing nothing or achieving Nirvana. It’s about training patience and sense of presence; training to let go all the unwanted things in your mind or to reflect on the thoughts and emotions you haven’t had the time to pay attention. It’s also effective at reducing stress; research supported not only by psychologists but also neuroscientists.

@otoyoto7153

7 ай бұрын

@@valchaars There's definitely plenty of data and neurological evidence supporting meditation that's very true. I have a feeling that that has more to do with fixing breathing patterns than the subjective experience of letting go, but that's purely speculative.

@valchaars

7 ай бұрын

@@otoyoto7153 Might be true but I wouldn’t disregard subjective experiences just because they’re not scientifically fitting. And here I’d like to quote the late Terrance McKenna. It’s about plant medicines but can be applied to meditation and subjective experiences in general: “Consider a shaman who uses plants to converse with an invisible world inhabited by nonhuman intelligences. This would seem to rate a headline in the supermarket tabloids. Yet anthropologists report such things all the time and no one raises an eyebrow. That is because we tend to assume that the shaman interprets his experience of intoxication as communication with spirits or ancestors. The implication is that you or I would interpret this same experience differently and that therefore it is no big deal that some poor, uneducated campesino thought he was talking with an angel. Xenophobic as this attitude is, it suggests a good operating procedure since what it is saying is, “show me the techniques of your ecstasy and I will judge their effectiveness for myself.” I did this. This is my credential for theories and opinions I hold. I was initially appalled at what I found: the world of shamanism, of allies, shape shifting, and magical attack are far more real than the constructs of science can ever be, because these spirit ancestors and their other world can be seen and felt, they can be known, in the nonordinary reality.” Thousands of people have had deeply profound spiritual experiences from meditation and possibly Zizek hasn’t. Yet I also have the feeling that he hasn’t really tried. If true, then seeking truth about meditation from Zizek would be like seeking travel advice from Kant. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy and her exercise wasn’t impressive at all, however from where I stand meditation is all about practice and very little about philosophical discussion. One of the strongest representations of the power of meditation for me, has been Thich Quanc Duc - the burning monk. I don’t see another way to explain the unflinching acceptance of his extremely painful passing. Thus saying that one can only get a temporary feeling of gratification and that it has little significance is more than doubtful to me. Apologies for the lengthy answer.

@Farzadhoss

7 ай бұрын

There is plenty of fruit to be found by going within. Most people do not have the patience to practice long enough to see the benefits and usually their lifestyles are totally anithetical to developing the ability to go in. Of course there are many different approaches to meditation and a qualified, skillful teacher is usually very effective in facilitating the process. The fact is even if we totally disregard being able to withdraw the senses from the outside, almost all people are incapable of doing nothing for for a few minutes, and I mean really doing nothing, rather than going through internal dialogue and thinking about how stupid what you are doing is.

I love ZIZEK protect this man at all costs 🙏

“There is never any great beauty without a terrible depth.” -F. Nietzsche

@UniMatrix_1

7 ай бұрын

Must've been referring to his ex-wife

@arnold-hu4vk

7 ай бұрын

@@UniMatrix_1 never married.

@rogeraraujo4900

7 ай бұрын

Zizek is surely losing half of the human experience by not being a little bit more introspective.

@Degros44

7 ай бұрын

@@rogeraraujo4900 I do agree

@ordinarryalien

7 ай бұрын

​@@rogeraraujo4900The human experience is overrated.

i love how he concludes his lengthy point about the necessity of hypocrisy by hating when people talk too much 😂 his humor is always 🎯 for me lol

@fromeveryting29

6 ай бұрын

He didn’t say he hated when people talk too much, but when they open up too much to him, and he doesn’t want to hear it. It IS uncomfortable when people tell too much about their inner sincere emotions to us, and it’s actually a sign of respect and kindness to set bounderies and «lie» about your true feelings sometimes. That was his point. It’s socially a sign of goodwill to lie and say «I’m glad to see you» even when you both know they may hate you and secretly want to spill their guts about everything they despise about you. This kind of hypocricy is good. Other types of hypocricy however are typically bad.

Perfect Zizek situation!

What if i see žižek behind every door?

@foodchewer

7 ай бұрын

You're fucked. What more can you say?

@czarquetzal8344

7 ай бұрын

Hahahaha 🤣.

@StormbringerI

7 ай бұрын

I want a third door

@alesprochazka5781

7 ай бұрын

xddddd

Žižek is always a critical thinker.

@twot

7 ай бұрын

He does the hard work of thinking so he actually believes in something other than the status quo which giggles to rid themselves of their lack of thinking meeting his excess of belief.

@spiritsplice

7 ай бұрын

Saying society should be based on lying is hardly critical thinking.

@jonathanrao6498

7 ай бұрын

I'd say he is a comical thinker

@IvoMaropo

Ай бұрын

​@@spiritsplice Thanks for the terribly stupid interpretation of what he said. That was amusing. :)

A very important conversation between a man boy, a mystic and off the clock Santa.

@alana.4432

7 ай бұрын

Great comment, props to you

@grazie-dc6we

7 ай бұрын

I'm still laughing at this two days after reading it

@jeangold8789

7 ай бұрын

Except Santa is the true mystic and the spiritual path is a pyramid scheme

@matjazpovalej4146

7 ай бұрын

@@jeangold8789 spiritual path is a pyramid scheme- +1

Žižek is the king of the spoilers.

Zizek is fantastic!!

I don't think they're using the term 'meditation' correctly

@lukeligo7079

7 ай бұрын

I thought she would use at least say the classic "focus on your breath" but no, she says for you to THINK, yes to think in a meditation she must know a lot about meditation

I think that when Slavoj talks about the courage of hopelessness that he is in a psychological way talking about a mental yellow door; as talked about here. And perhaps he is about society finding that door, opening it and going through it.

Most of the "red doors" I've encountered have turned out to be stuck. Everything that I have ever desired most intensely, I've ultimately been denied.

@illomens2766

7 ай бұрын

When it comes to what Eastern philosophies call enlightenment, you're supposed to let go of all your desires and attachments to find inner peace, because fulfillment of desires will always lead to new desires.

@goodwillambassador4102

7 ай бұрын

@@illomens2766 What happens when you realise that the desire to end all desires is a desire itself?

@illomens2766

7 ай бұрын

@@goodwillambassador4102 That too is a desire that you are supposed to let go of.

@as-above-so-below-

7 ай бұрын

​@@goodwillambassador4102That's the hard part. It's contradictory approaches aren't just an Eastern thing. It happens in the Western Classical Sciences a lot. It forces an absolute change in perspective. The idea here with a lot of enlightenment practice is that duality is the fall of man and breaking through the veil of duality results in internal peace. It's like hitting the "desire" button repeatedly and so fast it's "on/off" nature becomes illusory and non-existent to your perception. You're phone screen flickers on and off at a rate so fast that your brain could never register it but it just looks lit up constantly regardless.

@as-above-so-below-

7 ай бұрын

The problem with seeking out enlightenment through meditative practice is that you can't pick and choose ideals and approaches. A lot of Buddhists, Yogis, Ascetics of all walks of life have a strongly established system that needs to be adhered to. In Western philosophy, we typically think of a more gnostic approach to it in that it's a solely personal journey, whereas traditional Easterners look at it as any other pursuit in mastery like carpentry or masonry.

This rly changes my mind about žižek

This is HILARIOUS

Slavoj went into psychoanalysis of himself and made notes of that.

The thing about vittorio de sica remembered me about kagemusha the shadow warrior

Žižek... 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💓👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙏🏼

3:24 *puts down glass as loudly as possible* lmao

If you are interested in this idea of games, and how that applies to human personalities, the idea is called Transactional Analysis and the book is Eric Byrne, "Games People Play"

4:15 is the best transition lmao

Meditation is just good for mental health. That's it. There's nothing else profound about it.

6:13 and that terror is the terror of leaving the mask behind, the need to have a safe map for this total formlessness and unpredictability of nature and our human experience

I just hate the fact that i know who destiny is in the first place.

Osho said the more you go deeper into self, you will hit the reality that self don't exist, self-exist because of ignorance, just like someone see a rope as snake and start to fear, but the more you go closer the more you will realize it's not the case, just like in dream consciousness everything look real, but the more is the awakening more we realized it's all dream. light is the absence of darkness.

@alesprochazka5781

7 ай бұрын

i think zizek, as a lacanian, would be quite in agreement with this perspective, to a certain extend. lacan, in his mirror theory, is describing how the false sense of self is constituted in mirror stage of individuals life to give him a tool to manage his parts of body etc., and from this point we belive that we are the self

@farrider3339

7 ай бұрын

Here's a simple one for u : Would I realise there is light if it weren't against dark background ?

What's the movie he mentions here? Does anyone have a KZread link? Thanks!

@rastovicfilip

7 ай бұрын

Il Generale Della Rovere

Meditation is not a guided chat

damn after watching the perverts guide to ideology film from 2012 I thought the deeper meaning was this deep eternal consciousness/awarness that is not touched by our ego or identity... I guess no one is perfect, Slavoj got damn close though

I feel awkward when this happens to me. So against my personality. Like letting control out of your hands... Strange feeling...

Meditation it's not about "finding your deep inner self". It's not even a philosophy there's a area in your brain called default mode network responsible for remembering, thinking about the future, and mind wandering, they studied monks brain and find that this area is enlarged in this people resulting in more resistance in pain and anxiety. Talking more about psychology if you have a problem in your life and you "can't stop thinking about something" when you experienced meditator you can(usually), you realize that thought it's just another function of your mind and there others ways too see reality. But for people who just saw life trough thought and are kind of "over thinkers", specially someone like Zizek, I can see why he thinks that meditation can look just something like "finding your inner self bulshit"

6:03 😅

That was the longest 4 minutes of my life.

With or without a mask it is still hallucination. :))

Based

haha never put zizek with a new age-spiritualist in the same room!

Came here to see Zizek hit Back but he did not even do one row movement :(

Which timeline is this?

zizek is saying fake it till you make it

Lisa Miller's clap at the end could be interpreted as "yes, you idiot, I know, but this is the mask I choose".

To be fair, this isn’t meditation per se, but some kind of self help positive guidance.

I don't understand his tone can anyone explained

she is describing rationalization

No, he didn't. Not used to stillness and silence, perhaps the lady should have just told him to just sit.

This is not meditation...

praise Socrates, zizek just cited the mask 1994

what is Lisa Miller yappin about

"We need hypocrisie " 🤣🤣🤣

True meditation is just “to be come familiar with”, and forced meditation just reinforces the ego. It’s a wild fucking thing but this sort of guided meditation misses the point of it entirely.

Ha-ha, Zizek is completely unable to meditate.

WTH is a trail angel

i made it a minute and 48 seconds. zizek lasted longer than me.

I know we are supposed to engage with the topic and not the person, but now that I look at Žižek, does he not look like he is stimming? I've been a fan of his for a decade, but it never occured to me that he might be on the spectrum. Adhd in particular. I remember he once said he was suicidal after a rejection in his 20s, rejection sensitivity also being one of the traits. I lowkey want to go to one of his talks and ask him about it.

@virtualsocialretreat8234

7 ай бұрын

...adhd spectrum?

@FactHubREAL

7 ай бұрын

He’s most definitely audhd lmfao

@sawtoothiandi

7 ай бұрын

Achtung Dictator! Hegel Died.

@trankhoinguyen1

7 ай бұрын

bro has to pretend he's not writing to write 💀

@SOLOcan

7 ай бұрын

Zizek's a psychoanalyst. I doubt he would care much about being classed on the spectrum.

I found the Yellow Pecora

Zizek: and by the way, did you see the movie: seed of chucky

Slavoj loses faith, and at 05:45 tries to fly away from his deep innermost, with mask in hand. AND THE CLAPPING AT THE END!

Why did they have to wheel out that security state troll, Destiny.

Zizek, "Because I'm a Yeti I affirm Freudian version of dreams blindly." Dream as Platonic dread of the question. Dread of existence. Flight into the negation of the abyss of the nothing in number and physics as "it works".

@ELeviathan33

7 ай бұрын

Hell of a word salad you've tossed

@letdaseinlive

7 ай бұрын

​@@ELeviathan33When you grow up you'll be Les hopeless with other people's thoughts....

@ELeviathan33

7 ай бұрын

@@letdaseinlive Cope

@letdaseinlive

7 ай бұрын

@@ELeviathan33 Only incels of thought use the term "word salad".

@ELeviathan33

7 ай бұрын

@@letdaseinlive Even bigger cope

M Night-Shyamalan twist: He never did the guided meditation

If he doesn't believe that, he's losing, at least, half of his life.

A society based on lying is neurotic. Saying what we have "works" is just another lie.

I’m playing checkers while Zizek is playing cliChess

😂😂😂I can hardly believe it !

Lmao... "I don't believe into going into inner self."

What the f is Destiny doing on a stage with Zizek ?? What world is this?

I misread it as 'Slavoj Žižek does a misguided meditation ...'

They really tortured Zizek

This had nothing to do with a guided meditation. This was just a quick visualization. If you actually meditate, do it at least 1 hour, with no one talking.

Don’t bring crystals and astrology lady to debate Giga Zizek

@farrider3339

7 ай бұрын

😂

"we all wear masks, metaphorically spaaayking" - psychologist in the Mask

What a tasty word salad

What is this woman talking about?

SZ can do whatever he wants. proceed.

So we need to bury the real self? Sounds dangerous and impossible, how can a man become another? His followers in jail must not have known the general deeply. So your point is that it is not necessary. But what if they did know him deeply? It is an interesting concept for a movie, i will check it out.

I was scared by Professor Miller's experiment the most. On one hand, she's right, much too right because her ideological position is the leading one, or the mainstream one. One can laughingly dismiss this, but it governs the life of the majority and I'm not laughing...

The master inletectualizer hits the mark again (don't identify with any ideology btw yet take your ideologically infested mask of your ego will be the perfect reference for your identity) makes sense but my man really needs to sit still go a couple layers deeper than just thought

She talks too much and uses silly words but she has a point

LMAO did not expect destiny in there

What in gods name was this woman talking about

That woman was the embodiment of everything wrong in the world. I felt rare, genuine, annoyance at her, I despise the fake science of psychoanalysis, no better than Scientologists.

@ayanjoemusic

7 ай бұрын

Hey but slavoj is a psychoanalyst as well.

@feelingevaporated2912

7 ай бұрын

She is not performing Lacanian or Freudian psychoanalysis. Whatever she’s doing is a strange mix of eastern spirituality and basic continental philosophy

@yp77738yp77739

7 ай бұрын

@@ayanjoemusic He’s a loony too, funny to listen to though. The inputs that make us whom we are and why we are are so massively complex, with the outputs being on a continuous spectrum. You’d need a similarly complex model to be able to predict our behaviours with any accuracy.

@Anabsurdsuggestion

7 ай бұрын

She is nothing whatsoever to do with psychoanalysis. She is utterly monstrous. Zizek is the precise opposite.

@theeskatelife

7 ай бұрын

whats wrong with psychoanalysis?

What is going on?? Why is destiny here?

While I partially agree with Zizek on the fact that "going within" is not the best way to "find yourself" (trying things that are outside of you is in fact a best way), I think that by debunking meditation as a way of life and a spirituality thing, a lot of people just miss the power of meditation as a tool to clean your mind of parasite thinking. As much as exercise is a response to the lack of physical activity in modern society, meditation is a response (among others) to the excess of information in modern society. It's really just like a shower for the mind. And that's what people find in meditation nowadays : relief from overthinking and excessive information.