I’m a fairly decent painter but I find that traditional methods take me too long for army painting, since discovering slapchop I’ve been blasting through my projects & pile of shame and really enjoying the process!

@nelsikegaming

Жыл бұрын

same!! I see my pile of shame as something I can achieve in 2 weeks or so instead of it seeming close to impossible

@Regimeludwig

11 ай бұрын

What would you guys do for imperial guard cadians? Black prime/grey then what?

@richardszabacsik5293

8 ай бұрын

@@RegimeludwigBlack - grey -white -speed paint of your choice :)

@coryhamel2512

4 ай бұрын

Same, miniature painting became a chore. I used the "traditional" method to paint 20 Goliath miniatures for Necromunda and it took me about two months.The method that I use now, I cranked out 10 Corpse Grinders in about two days, and the end result is so much better! Black prime + white zenithal from an airbrush + contrast paints + dark enamel wash + solvent to clean up the highlights.

@realsparrow

21 күн бұрын

same here. i got some great miniatures but it takes me to much time to paint a single one of them. i wont reach a level of a proffesional painter so i deside to switch to slapchop to basecoat faster and then paint some details with normal paints.

I find dry brushing with more white bring the mini more in line with what we’re used to seeing in a mini. I also never use black, opting for a charcoal grey for the prime coat.

@sethpeterson8261

Жыл бұрын

This. For Speed Paints you can do spray black prime (but just to catch the underneath deep shadow areas), Zenithal with a mid-grey (I find Army Painter Uniform Grey perfect), then drybrush (almost overbrush) with a bright white. OR Skip black just like Jayson said, prime mid-grey (not to light) drybrush white.

@user-rz7ih2vh1c

Жыл бұрын

@@sethpeterson8261 Yep. Pure black white too agressive, looks dirty.

@justinc8791

Жыл бұрын

Just stripped some minis specifically to base them in dark Grey instead of black. Nothing new under the sun I see!

@offthebooksmusic

3 ай бұрын

yeah the standard slap chop method is great if you like dark/faded and less vibrant minis. i'm a big fan of that look so i mostly do that. but if i want a more vibrant mini, i'll prime with grey and dry brush with white.

One of the big reasons I like the look of the slapchop method is that it has a grim look to it. Reminds me of the art style from the video game Darkest Dungeon.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I remember the game :D and yeah it adds a grungy, grimey feel to it doesn’t it!

@GREW50ME_Gaming

Жыл бұрын

Ah, yes, the terrible RNG simulator with good art.

@chaosincarna

Жыл бұрын

@@GREW50ME_Gaming Most games like this are RNG to nearly the same degree if not more. You might as well say that about the entire genre. Matter of fact lots of rpg or dungeon crawl games are built on a massive level of RNG. The more I think about your point the more I realize how little thought you put in to it.

@johnfett1177

Жыл бұрын

I think it would work well for the Dark Souls board game or Bloodborne board game

@absolutelydegenerate1900

Жыл бұрын

Did you know they made a board game with it? I think the minis got slapchop style painting so they looked like it.

I love the slap chop method and I find it does add a bit more time to prep but the end result is just so much better and less highlighting and edging to do. Some of my recent videos I use this method and I love it.

more white and grey is generally a good rule, leaving too much black naturally creates a darker mini. I prefer a darker mini (not too dark though), they feel more normal too look at compared to the brighter and more colorful ones. Underpainting is a pretty nice technique and can be used in a wide variety of colors, either as a guide or as a way to make color shift tones. I first heard about it from the historical miniatures, and vehicle kit enjoyers as a way to get shadows, base tone, and highlights from just one color (regular acrylics) either as a guide for further painting or if you just want to finish some figures. It of course works great with inks as well. And I can recommend giving it a go with other colors to help change the tone of what you put on top. Using black, grey, and white is just one way of doing it :) lets say you a light grey , near white, and a very light flesh color before you slap on some "skin" colored contrast or speedpaints, then you get a more readable skin with more believable highlights in my experience. some people who know art more probably have some sweet color combinations to share :)

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment man. Sound advice and tips

@sweatilaa5325

Жыл бұрын

@@WatchItPaintIt i am by no means an art knower, there are way more competent people than me :) but about the topic of the video, the "slap chop" method is pretty good for getting people who don't really like painting and think they suck at it to actually get the motivation to paint since they see that they can reasonably get pretty good tabletop results without too much effort, like your last mini who ever that was.

@SNDKNG

Жыл бұрын

i like a dark, desat red-brown underpaint for skin. then i add some high yellow-pink highlights, add speedpaint over the top to blend. looks great

I'm just getting back into the hobby and so far slap chop has been hugely hepful for me as a tool to identify model highlight and recess areas. I struggle with feathering and other techniques, so the speedpaints are a boon. The only issue I have with speedpaints is the occasional reactivation (which doesn't occur is I use a blow dryer) and knowing which color combinations work best with each other.

Your last experiment looks really great. I believe that's the idea of slap chop and how it should look at the end. By using coats of dry brush you are actually providing color variance which will be reflected on the speed paint that you apply on top. Personally I prefer this output rather than primer+speed paint alone

Fantastic video! I like both, and I really think it depends on the models your working on and the overall effect you want. Thanks for showing this comparison.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for leaving a comment! Happy painting

I like both for different reasons. I think it comes down to the color of paints used and the look going for. It is a great way for new painters to get started..

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Ooooh. Hadn’t thought of that! It’s a very good point brand new paints could do this really easily and get pretty epic results. The method definitely looks kinda fancy pants. Whether you like it or not it’s like “woah, that’s interesting”

@velveteenv76

Жыл бұрын

Not really, learning the fast way without the basic people are never going to improve. I learned how to drive automatic and avoid all stick shift cards because it seems too complicated for an example. Most people sadly are lazy.

@cfd1052

Жыл бұрын

@@velveteenv76 i don't agree, mate. Its like needing to take 2+ years of musical theory for just playing basic chords on a guitar. First you learn the basics unti it looks good enough, and if you like this part of the hobby, then you take more advance classes, youtbe videos, etc

Nice breakdown on the process. Good video. I also found out that I had to use lots of drybrushing to get a nice result, but my first one was luckily very good so i knew it could be good looking.

Slapchop is a step in the painting process. It's an old technique revitalized with new technology. Not all models are good to use with the technique and you really need to push it in order to get the contrast right. Honestly, only the underside of the model should be black.

Slapchop a new name for a process that was being used 20+ years ago with inks

The last one you made was absolutaly awsome, i simply love the final result

When underpainting models with a lot of brighter colors you gotta swap the black to a dark-grey, u can ever try colors like brown under red or purple under blue. Also the second color can be zenithal sprayed either airbrush or rattle can. Only the white needs to be drybrushed. For zombies like you painted in this video, I recommend brown and a bone zenithal, with an aggressively-bright white

@DaronSchmit

Жыл бұрын

100% agree with you It's very easy for transparent paints to get way to dark when applied over a very dark base coat. Base coating with a fun shadow color or other hue you want to shine through is a great strategy. Then dry brush with a color consistent with the theme of the minis and you're off to the miniature painting races

I'm sure I've said it before, but I've used a slapchop type technique with purple and pale sand to make the contrast paints pop so much more

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I’ve got purple primer :O will have to try this out

@jherazob

Жыл бұрын

I think the ultimate discovery in a few months from all the "slapchop" enthusiasts will be that it doesn't need to be black-grey-white, but that you can use other colors to suit your color scheme better That said, replacing the default with purple-palesand-white sounds interesting, definitely worth a try

@cestaind

Жыл бұрын

@@jherazob I believe Ninjon did a video where he used different colors as the primer and highlights

@jherazob

Жыл бұрын

@@cestaind Then i'm the one who's behind the times :P

@dlh567

Жыл бұрын

I'm doing similar to this now, but did purple primer, white rattle can zenithal, purple toner wash in recesses, dry brush white. I didn't consider using an off white though, which is interesting. I think I would need a grey or off white zenithal for that to work, though. 🤔

For me, your final attempt (a Krampus?) really evokes Maurice Sendak's art for *Where the Wild Things Are.* That book, and especially Sendak's shaded ink drawings tinted with simple, solid colors, were a hugely important early exposure to fantasy for me as a child. It's also just a bit evocative of Blanchitsu style minis. I find this MUCH more appealing than the technicolor, bubblegum look of Contrast or Speedpaints over a simple white prime. I'd be thrilled to field a Beasts of Chaos warband painted in the style of your Krampus.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Ooooh, i like that warband suggestion! I think it would look awesome, nice suggestion!

I’ve been using greychop variation happy with the results not to dark. I like the way the dry brushing picks out the details, certainly helps my ageing eyes!

very interesting video! informative too! I too didn't like my finished minis using slapchop just because it was primed gray instead of white. glad I came upon this video.

I really like how the green aquatic monster turned out. As well as your final light grey to white, version. Definitely going to look at this for large monsters.

Great video. That model you painted at the end was fantastic, im moving onto another army for my 40K game and was tempted to try this slapchop method out!

@WatchItPaintIt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks man! Which army are you doing?

Really really good video! Found this really helpful. This is a technique I am planning to employ on some of my miniatures. Subbed.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped! Thank you for the sun! What would you like to see next?

I tried to paint few minis with SP and I can conclude that the color of base coat is very important regarding you want to do. The dry-brushing is very important as well. On my first attempt I made only one layer of white DB on the black base coat. Consequently the recesses are too dark. Afterwards I added a grey DB avoiding to keep too much recess in deep black, and on the top of that I finished with white DB. I'll try to add a second layer of DB in white to get more light in some areas.

Than for this "tutorial"... Glad you stuck with it and kept trying to get it to work. The final result was worth it!

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man, yeah bit less tutorial, more like don’t worry if you gotta practice and things are hard - I mess up loads too :-D

The final mini is my favorite mini in this video. I think this is something I will strive for when using this technique(hopefully soon).

Something I'd recommend trying is the "slap chop" starting with a dark grey. Black tends to be a little too dark for contrast paints but a dark gret up to a titanium white gives a nice bit monochrome starting point for contrast paints.

I really like it for helping me "see" the details that I want to highlight, especially by using the white only with down strokes.

What I realized with the Speedpaints is that most times it looks much better if you use a mid-grey to bright white with the zenithal highlight (instead of the usual black to white), also instead of drybrushing the last bright white layer I paint it manually on edges and places which should be bright.

That last example is what I did from the start, from seeing what most people were doing. I didn't add any grey, went straight for a non pure white for the grey, then added white for the higher points, cause from the videos I've seen the models just looked far too dark. I really like just using black with the dry brush of whites as is, but I try and go with the old school rule of 3 or more paints.

Great video, that last mini sold it for me. It has a place for getting my boardgame minis to the table with a different feel and style. Less cartoony that standard speedpaints on white alone which will work better for some games than others. As you said, another tool for your arsenal.

I've only recently got back into the hobby after a 20+ year break, I much prefer darker figures, but this seems like a great way of brightening them up a touch; as the man said a great little extra tool to have...

Slapchop, like a lot of other painters have said in their videos, is for pushing out a decent looking army in a low amount of time, or pushing out canon-fodder that you don't care all that much about. I think Ninjon went in and highlighted his mini after slapchopping it, and Jazza made an absolutely amazing mini with just the new Xpress range from Vallejo. I think it greatly depends on how you use it, which type of contrast paint you use and how much work you want to put into your mini afterwards. A lot of the issues I had starting out (I'm still an absolute trash painter btw) was flat surfaces, but minis with a lot of details let me save a lot of time when putting together an army from 0.

I like your Slap Chopped Miniatures much better than just the speedpainted ones. I use a modified version of soap chop for years now. Zenithal Prime into Nuln oil wash into light grey dry brush all around and then white drybrush from above.

Such a great and honest video! I think not all minis are suitable for slapchop, but it's the only way I can use contrast/speedpaint with satisfaction. It's just a starting point, it helps me to see where to add highlights and other shade details that normally I wouldn't see because I'm not such a good painter. The final look surely it's darker or grimier so I have to pick carefully which miniature is good for this method. Probably this would be a good starting point for a "cell shading" effect, who knows.. For sure I would not waste much extra time for slapchop priming for a 20+ army of identical models, even with the airbrush.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video. Always very nervous releasing a video where I basically mess up for 15 minutes :D but I also want to show the honest side of things. I’m just a dude painting his little dudes so his game looks better and we all gotta learn and practice! Happy painting!!

Thanks for the tutorial!!!

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

I've gotten good results priming in white, washing in black and then drybrushing in white again before applying speedpaints. I've also done black prime with only white drybrush then apply speedpaints and go back and highlight with acrylics as normal.

I love the darker grungier look obtained by a black primer for many of my painted minis (spent a lot of time on Zombicide abomination variants) ... used a dark primer and heavy handed dry brushing technique before it was ever called "slap chop" (as many of us older painters did). We also experimented with QuickWash type products as dips for shading. Now with a great selection of washes and "speedpaints" we can get a time conserving way of getting a great look over a simple white prime (or grey with white zenithal) if the brighter look is what we are aiming for (I tend to do this for player models and NPCs). I recently played with a large Nolzur's "white" dragon that I actually re-primed with black spray and used white zenithal (spray can white) highlighting and minimum dry brushing before using a lot of different colors (rainbow style) to finish the dragon. Love the end product with the darker tones.

The slap chop is more forgiving of my declining vision. I like a grimy look but that first one is maybe a little too grimy. Definitely preferred the later results where you used a lighter grey and got more white on the model. Dana Howl's approach in which she used white primer and a quickshade under the speedpaints was pretty nice, too.

I've had some fair amount of success using a similar air-brush method, but starting from a medium grey instead (so first medium grey, then a spray of light gray from an angle, and finally white from above or wherever the light source is). This still gives a varied degree of shading, but doesn't have that black in the recesses that won't take any color at all. I will say though, that the regular slap-chop look reminds me a lot of the art of Gary Chalk, best known for the art in the Lone Wolf game books and the OG Talisman board game.

Very interesting point with the black recesses hiding the speedpaint's issue with reactivating and mixing! I was going to recommend that Danna Howl video to you when I saw your first slap chop zombie, but then you brought it up yourself. Your final attempt with that horned troll ended up looking great. There is another variant to these underpainting styles taught by a guy/channel called Marco Frisoni. Simplified, it would be to start with a light gray or off-white like grey seer or wraithbone, then applying shade -not just to the deepest recesses but the undersides of the entire mini before drybrushing white. That way you get the saturated bright colors, but keep the stylistic darker recess shading. He does this in a way lengthier process where he also underpaints things like armor-scratches and stitch marks in cloth with a bright white at this stage, but what I summarised would be how to use it for speedpainting.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Niceee. I’ll check that out! Yeah I thought it was funny Dana released her video just while I was playing with the technique myself to get happier results. I think she has a nice approach into trying to improve her technique so thought I’d just let her video improve on mine :) I was chatting with her a few weeks ago and my awkwardness in the video was inspired by our comedy awkward conversation:-D she’s an inspiration

I really like both styles. A happy medium might be dark grey primer from below light grey from above and a quick bright white zenithal or slapchop coat followed by the speedpaint. As you point out though it depends on what time you want to spend and the look you want. Great video.

Others have already noted that you want to get the highlights really light, but I have another suggestion - start from a spray gray at about the tone of your first drybrush layer in the video. Using all AP, I've like the look of spray priming uniform gray, first layer of drybrush spaceship hull (light gray), then straight white. It really helps the speedpaints show up as an even wider gradient without ever getting the over dark stylized recesses.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this advice. I’m going to go try out some uniform grey spray! Very interested in how that might look. Plus I have loads of it:D

@GeneJordan

Жыл бұрын

I'm going to try this, out. I had mentioned skipping the gray step and going from black to white in a previous comment, but skipping the black and starting with a dark gray primer would create a more subtle final outcome. Thanks for that suggestion because I would never have thought to try it.

You got a sub for this, love comparison vids that show these types of techniques. Slap chop is really just Zenithal priming without an airbrush and extra steps, but it gets a nice style. The normal speed paint method works, but the tone is totally different with lighter shadows and higher upper tones. And, yes the whiter it gets the brighter the colors become. You should also try priming in different colors like purple, or dark blues, and build up mid and high tones with lighter blues and purples. This will entirely change the tone of the speed paints, and contrast paints. Also, thinking Valejos' upcoming Xpress Color might be even better for this.

Would love to see a follow up using different colored primers (including a dark grey). I also like to add some highlights / some drybrush after applying the contrast paints. To me this tones down the crazy intense some colors are but also equilizes them giving it a more coherent look

Fun!! Thats all that matters. Its a fantastic tool and you ilastrated it beautify!

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Oooooh, good point! I didn't actually mention that while messing about... it was FUN, like really fun, well worth a few minutes of trying!

Awesome vid, nice to see the comparisons! What I would love to try is: instead of starting from a black on the slapchop, start from a dark grey - so that the shadows are not pure black that overpowers everything else.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I’ve definitely got to try this. Not sure how dark my grey primer is but maybe its worth trying any grey primer! I’ll hopefully do-a follow up video with all the awesome suggestions like this

I had the same issues when underpainting/slapchop'in for the first time. It was just too dark. What i figured experimenting: Spray Priming black before basing in a very steep angle from below. As much from straight down as possible. Then use grey primer in the horizontal angle. Drybrush with white. If you don't care too much for the zenital light just prime gray, use thinned down black wash to get the black recesses that forgive colour bleeding and then white drybrush. Also white edge highlights on 90°+ edges if painting models that should get more attention. Next off i will try Dana Howls pale-chop on some models that are allready primed white from years ago. This video strengthened my resolve to do so, so thanks!

Both methods had good results.just depends on what you're going for. I'll definitely try it on a mini but glad I watched this video. I think I'd prefer the last mini you did with this method. Thanks for the video.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments. While I didn’t get exactly what I was expecting there’s a time and place for all of this so I’m glad I took it for a spin and made some mistakes for others to avoid if they wish!

I use an airbrush for the black and grey layers, which speeds up the painting yet slows down the cleanup process and of course you have to have the air brush. But it makes the grey much more prevalent. And if I am doing a light colored model I really bring up the highlights with white but still leave the black and grey in the recesses, just like you did in the last model...

Something I tried was instead of using black, I did a red/brown for a more flesh and earthy tone, might work better here. One other thing is to use grey base, with a light grey highlight or zenithal and to use white high highlight.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Oooh. I’m a fan of these suggestions. I know what I’m doing tonight! Thanks man

@colig54

Жыл бұрын

@@WatchItPaintIt i tried with purple, had to paint them white to be able to see the speedpaint

I recently did a unit of the new Chaos Warriors with this method to mixed results. Much like any technique it takes practice to get that sweet spot. I personally it works better with a super light grey. Not like grey seer light, but between grey seer and a light grey. My fabrics looked amazing. My dark skin tones looks great. Any light tones suffered bc I got that same super cell shaded super super contrast look with my Crusader Skin. I plan to keep messing with it. I think the idea is solid. I just need to find the combo that works for me.

My first attempts at slapchop were definitely too dark for my taste, I had to use Vallejo's Buff and dry brush the highlights after applying Speed Paints to make them pop more. It feels counterintuitive to over drybrush because you're afraid of losing the contrast, but going heavier on grey and white seemed to fix any post-processing steps I needed to take.

I've only just got into it myself. My Undead or Alive arrived yesterday and my new set of speedpaints mega set along with AP black primer spray. Liked the results from all the videos Ive got and fed up with Sooo many minis stacking up I have. What I have noticed though is skin tones seem to be alot darker with slap chop I'll probably drybrush a bit lighter to compensate as I cover it all with a tin of AP stong tone after then Matt varnish anyway. Might also try acrylics for skin after grey/white drybrushing then add speedpaints over that e.g. Red then skin colour speedpaint.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I’m well tempted to attempt a 24 entire Zombicide game paint challenge with this technique!

@EliteC64

Жыл бұрын

@@WatchItPaintIt I'll be interested in seeing that, might encourage me to attempt to start on my MASSIVE, Massive Darkness 2 all in kickstarter 😅

Since I’ve started playing with slapchop I’ve decided I prefer to use a much lighter gray for my mid tone, like you did at the end. I was using army painter ash grey over black, dry brushed mighty with gray seer and then AGAIN with white on the interest areas. The brighter look translated to less muddy details in the end.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ll try out more light greys and see which I prefer

@Dagglestone

Жыл бұрын

@@WatchItPaintIt tbh I started commenting before the end of the video. They way you did the last guy is a lot like what I was doing. The whole thing is kind of messy tho. I’ve been using it to churn through my ork boyz and the dirty look is great on them. I actually do the whole dry brushing process in shades of browns and tans for the orks. Something I picked up from eons of battle

Hi First of all - congratulations on being on the speedpaint-development-group! I like to look at your content to get some more ideas for my paintings - even tough I'm not the greatest painter. On behalf of your "Slap Chop"-Movie, my version, how I'm doing it - without getting to dark! I swap the hole thing around. I start with priming the mini in white and then put a black or strong wash over it (if you prefer it brighter, you could also choose a brighter wash). So it doesn't get too dark. After that, I'm doing the drybrushing with white or beige to get the highlights back up. Then I start painting with the Speedpaints. So my minis don't get too dark and I think, I'm faster, because I only have to prime it once. Maybe you could try this out to get brighter results on your minis. Thank you!

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Marcel, we will try and help get the best product created we can! Thank you for the information on how you’re doing it! I’ll play around some more and take on your comments!

Slap chop is a useful technique-Particularly on very heavily textured things or large things like a big scaly or feathered monster (where highlighting each feather or scale would take a very long time). I've used it a couple of times and I find I like it best in conjunction with other techniques. Eg-I did a Sludgeraker using mostly slapchop but painting the orc rider , small areas of the monster (the tongue and teeth) and the metalic areas in a more tradtional way. This way you save a lot of time but the model has more variety and extra zing with the addition of some more vibrant colours.

Nice work! I think I will use this technique with my Soulblight.

Only tried slop chop once so far but was pleased with my results. Although I used a sand color and then white instead of the grey and white method. The straight speed paint/contrast paint looks to bright and clean to me personally.

I also have been using a few different colors as well based on the color and material. Adding more of a traditional underpaint.

I never considered mixing my speed paints till you said it, don't know why cus it seems obvious now but ill defiantly try that crusader skin paladin bone mix

@WatchItPaintIt

5 ай бұрын

That’s good to hear actually. I’ve been making a quick little video just about me mixing colours but I keep thinking surely this is just going to be people saying “well duh!” But I also forgot you can just make your own colours til recently :-D

I have done this "Slap Chop" technique for decades, long before anyone put a name to it, or even speed/contrast paints. I love how they look. They are easier for me to see all the details on the miniatures as well.

Thanks for the vid! This matt black priming at the beginning... it is done using spray paint or simply brushed? I'm at the beginning of my paiting jurney and don't have anything alse but paints to start with. Should I equip myself with spray as well or is it also OK (slower definitely, but that part aside) to u\se paints?

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I used a black spray primer. For the time it’s saves it’s worth buying. But brush will work fine while you get into the hobby :-)

I want to try this with some Black Templars which are already zenithol primed with black and Grey, but I wonder if a dry brush of white will make the details stand out more. Usually I dry brush my main colors starting with the darkest color and working my way up in brightness while applying less and less on the raised areas (abbadon black, skavenblight dinge, then eshen grey).

THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING MY BIAS!

I came up with this method on my own "accidentally" as a way to paint the Bloodborne game. I love it there. I wouldn't use it on every game, but for any "grimdark" themed game it's pretty dang good!

@bwheatgw

Жыл бұрын

Also obviously the Dark Souls game.

Final model looks great to be fair. I’ve been experimenting a bit with “slapchop”, a beige primer, Agrax wash then heavy dry brush of grey, light grey and finally white works nicely. But still looks like it took five mins, great for some minis and not for others. Think I’ll stick to the traditional base, wash, HL etc way for projects, and slapchop for quick dirty minis for board games or games that don’t hit the table that often.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I think that’s a good way to use this. It’s just another tool that some times fits the result we want.

Yeah I used this technique just with drybrush, and maybe my white is not white enough , but I didn't like the speed paint colors after that, I could barely manage to see the original colour ! So what I do now is a zenithal from above with a spray can, and I also add white on specific part where I want to see the colours. I do some preemptive highlights. Works for me now.

Slap chop looks like a different way to achieve something like a Zenithal prime. Maybe a bit slower, but without the need of either a second rattlecan or airbrush, but depending on relative skill levels, perhaps better coverage. I just got some 'Thropes in for my 'Nids, and I might try this as a comparison to my (rather poor) zenithal priming

A lighter grey or even 2 tones, applied with a spray can from above over a black primer and then a slight but bright white by hand with a nice drybrush does the job perfectly for me. Both with AP and Vallejo Speed/Express. You then just have to adjust your paint choice to the brightness of the primer and the results will be fine.

I really like your final version, it's another tool to use

Great video. More content from you please

If you took your bright speed painted mini and covered it in a heavy oil wash (I mean really heavy), left it to dry for a few hours and then came back in and used cotton buds, you could remove most of the oil from the mini, and still benefit from the dark recesses and would keep the bright colours as well. The added benefit would be the oils staining the mini and changing the colours slightly as well

a couple other tricks I've found with "slap chop" are for "comic book style" you can skip the mid tone and overpaint white over the black like you would the grey, or if you want to do like your final product but have it pop a little more, instead of priming black you can prime medium to dark grey, midtone light grey, then highlight white.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for these tips. I will try them out!! Might make a video on all the tips everyone has provided next

I'm going to try this soon with a model, but instead of dry brushing white after priming black I wonder how priming in white and then washing in black would work? It might be fast (or fastish, because you'd have to wait for the wash to dry, but maybe better for batch painting?) and you'd get black recesses but they may not as pronounced as priming with black.

Interesting times. I've been on hold with my first speedpaint project (War of the Ring board game) for half a year due to life events. Just started watching videos again wondering how to best prime/undercoat. Zenithal just seemd a bit dark and difficult with spray cans. Now both you and Dana have given me new insight. I think Goobertown also used black primer with a pure white drybrush when he did speedpaints? Right now I think I might do a pale chop for models that should be more vibrant and a slap chop for more gritty/dark characters like orcs.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I think if you go hard on the highlights with the white you can get a really interesting and quick finish. I gave this a lot of stick about adding time but the more I did the more I saw that it speeds up the slow bits of being careful in the recesses and joins between colours. Hope you manage to get some time to paint

See, the funny thing is I was actually talking with some mates recently about how I'd like to prime a model out, then drybrush it for the highlights, and so on. I didn't realize this was a technique already. The fact it's called "Slap Chop" is even better, because seriously. I communicate in memes. And Vince was MEMETASTIC.

Great vid! I find that the drybrush looks better when it's more uniform and smooshed on, as otherwise the final result looks quite grimy as others said, not as neat as i like my minis. No slap chop feels too bright for me. I think the solution is in perfecting the drybrush so that it's smooth. If that's possible 😄 Thanks for your content!

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I’m working on getting better at dry brushing. Thanks for taking the time to leave feedback. Have a great day!

Speed paints are by far the most enigmatic finish anyone could ask for but the slap-chop gives a different aspect as if this guy has been dwelling underground and never seen daylight, bit like me as of tomorrow when hibernation starts as Snow begins to drop from the heavens up here in N. East Scotland. Brrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

I've preferred basing with a colour. using a midtone like yellow or pink then working upto white. Then doing a black wash or recess shade. THEN applying contrast ontop. I think it give the best effects for me. Just doing a dragon atm. Dark green base. Yellow mid. White high. Don't need the black as I'm using green base and bkue contrast. But if you were doing say a flesh tone or not a heavy contrast a black wash prior would be definitely worth it

If I had to pick, I'd pick the straight speed paint model, but my problem with speed-painted models is they're a touch too bright. I've tried slap chop and had the same issue you did - the finished mini looked too "muddy" to me with some much dark underpainting showing through. So I did what you did and increased the amount of white, but I still didn't like how it muddied up some of the lighter colors. I may try base painting in a light grey, inking the recesses then doing a heavy highlight of white as a slap chop approach but more likely I'm just going to go back to using speed paints as a guide coat to help map where I want to do my layering (I'm too lazy to wet blend)

I usually add a bit of nuln oil and a final dry brush before I varnish.

I like the last model the best because it oddly gives it a fairy tale look, which fits the troll, and I love the first zombie just with the black and white because it did remind me of Night of the Living Dead a lot-so yeah the style works the best when it's just black, greys and white to be it. But I'm not over the moon for it, because it kinda feels like I did it before everyone was over it-without knowing. I used it to paint my Dark Souls pieces, and even then there I skipped the grey and began to dry brush the colors on top of the black and built up to the bright colors with having the black in there for the shadows. For me, it's a very specific look-especially when you truly want to make things look either grimmer or darker but it's not the once shoe fits all solution. Good technique but overhyped to be the great time saver.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Hahah. I hadn’t noticed that. You’re right it does kind of look old school/dark monster fairly take! You’re right. I loved it in black and white and I think I might paint my Night of the living dead Zombicide just like this! Yeah it’s getting crazy hyped at the moment isn’t it. Love the idea it’s bringing more and new painters to our hobby though! Although at the expense of the more experienced painters being like “wtf I’ve done this for years”

Really curious how mixing slapchop with a zenithal prime before or after would work out. Going to give it a go on my next paint job

@toxkatz885

Жыл бұрын

Just stick with a zenithal prime, no dry brush needed , underpainting already done 👍

great review. for a noob like me, I prefer the straight up speed paint (what Dana called zero chop) vs the slap chop. the colors stand out more, although your last attempt turned out rather well. Congrats on making it as part of the Army Painter development team.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I think I'll mostly stick to zero chop too, but I think this slapchop can be really interesting, I can imagine doing a whole game in this style just for effect. Thank you! I hope we can contribute and make speed paints even better!

Great stuff friend 👏 👍

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark

Tried Slapchop myself on some minis, as someone who went from the matt white to speed paint, the slapchop method just didn't do it for me, may work if I wanted a more dark creature for that ambience, but for Zombicide 2nd edition, I prefer the brigher colors myself. Maybe a grimier game with more of a dark feel may sit to the Slap Chop method for me... but could be my application, hard to say. It's been fun trying it out though.

I prefer doing it airbrush with a zenithal so that my grays get better coverage and don't leave such drastic dark recesses. I find that the gradients and the transitions between color looks a lot smoother. It's not as fast as slap chop but it does make the minis look really clean, and is just another tool in the arsenal.

I often go in between by doing a white prime, a wash of black, Payne's gray, or brown, maybe a bit of white drybrush, and then the speed painting.

The grey you picked was a bit too dark, as well as too little coverage on the first mini which you touched on with the next one. It also has a lot of blue to it, so that also darkens the paint on top of it. You can use different greys or even off whites to compliment the color scheme you're going for better. I recently did a set of Frostgrave cultists with a yellowish bone color as my mid tone and bright white for my highlight to good effect. It's helping to make them look more dingy than comic. Some people also don't use a stark black as their base, but a somewhat lighter mixed color that better compliments the color scheme. This is an option if you want less of the stark contrast, and less of a comic book look.

Yeah. Nice to see you :)

That black and white value sketch alone would be great for the zombies, yes, just add red glowing eyes and they'll be complete, perfect scary horde of monsters :D

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I want to find time to paint an entire Zombicide game like that now :$ 24 hour challenge!

@jherazob

Жыл бұрын

[Shia LaBeouf DO IT intensifies]

I use zenithal highlighting with spray cans and it comes out pretty sweet! :-)

I'd love to see the last overbrushing method refined, think this is what I want to get out of methods like slapchop too.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I think I’ll play more and see how I get on. Will do a more refined follow up video if I get anywhere

@TimothyEdwards

Жыл бұрын

@@WatchItPaintIt I’ve got some lovely results with Zandri Dust prime, then drybrushing Wraithbone and White.

I think it depends on the model as to how well this method works. Additionally the colour/vibrancy of the paint you choose also plays a role. I’m a new painter, but I’m doing traditional painting at present, no speed painting as of yet.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

I think you started with the best start. If people want to learn well and be in it for the long run, first leaning to paint traditionally is what I’d advise. Then try out Speedpaints and see how you feel. Obv if money or time is the biggest concern I’d advise slightly differently but I think you have the best understanding of painting doing it the traditional way. Welcome to the hobby!

I was using Slap Chop long before it became a thing. I actually did it on my own, when I ran out of spray white for zenithal highlighting. Effectively that is all the Slap chop is: zenithal highlighting by using a drybrush. I've gotten great results out of it, and while it's not as fast as using a speedpaint, I like the more dramatic contrasts in dark and light. So if you asked my preference: Slap Chop. It's not the absolute best technique, actual sprayed zenithal has a better gradient transition with the tones, and still gets that dramatic effect in contrast.

Have you tried undercoating in white and then doing a blank ink wash? Wash stays in the crevices but then leaves the white raised for contrast paint

Personally, I use a slap chop method on large mobs of enemies for things like D&D and solo games like Space Station Zero and Five Parsecs from Home. Models that you're likely only to use for one or two sessions a month that don't actually HAVE to look really good. For example, do you REALLY need 10 Kobolds that will only be used during the start of your D&D campaign while the party is level one to be given your best, show quality paint job? probably not. And if you've got a DM who doesn't tell you what they need until, for example, the last day before scheduled games, then getting a large number of models in a short time is a nightmare. it's a solid method for getting good looking models in a short time that, while it might not come out looking as good as other methods, it still gets the job done where you have a good looking model in a short period of time. The method has been a lifesaver for me in those situations.

I zenithal in Vallejo grey, then dry brush white. It makes it a lot brighter

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Will try! Thanks for the tip

I mean, I’m still gonna find myself painting a (single) marine for 4 to 6hrs, but slap chop’s been great for getting the work I find tedious, done, so I can focus on the fun part detailing.

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

Base costing has always been the bit I find most fun :-D but I’m glad you get to the bit you enjoy faster!!!

@sunniedunbar6889

Жыл бұрын

@@WatchItPaintIt I like the last parts because that’s where you can build a narrative.

I loved the last mini, were can I find it ?

@WatchItPaintIt

Жыл бұрын

It’s the High Troll from Massive Darkness the board game

Im a beginner painter and last week i used slapchop with a few extra steps and won a competition for my mini army. its a good starting technique. But one im hoping to build on moving forward

@WatchItPaintIt

11 ай бұрын

Oh my goodness. That’s fantastic! Really well done. I’ve definitely built on mine since making this video. And it’s definitely a technique you can get better and better at!