I wasn’t able to add this into the video last night since I’m traveling for the PPA, but Six Zero has informed me their warranty has now been updated to: 6 months for core crushing and 12 months for everything else. If I had a microphone with me while traveling I would have added this to the video. Sorry about the missing info!

@loso_snrs2667

7 ай бұрын

nice review makes sense what you said about the original. are you going to make a review for the warrior 18k and 18k power pro?? i know how much you dislike the warrior edge maybe these 2 will change your mind. if not maybe the Gruvn Muvn 13s

@DaddyDinksAllDay

7 ай бұрын

Hey Chris what is the biggest difference between the DBD 14 mm compared to both of these paddles?

Please do a review on the new Black Diamond 16MM Infinity

Absolutely nailed it! Accurate analysis and I like the side by side comparison.

Great review, comparison and suggestions. I subscribed because you do a great job!

Great review as always, Chris you DA Man!! If your'e hitting the ground often enough to bust up your edgeless w/tape, wouldn't that compromise the the edge guard's attachment to the core? Repairing a loose edge guard can be tricky to do right. It's a sharp looker for sure though.

Great review. Very helpful for making a purchasing decision - I'll stay with the regular 16mm DBD!

Thanks, Chris! Your insights and descriptions are always so well done. I just oredered a DBD on the Black Friday sale. After analyzing what I could find on the Infinity, including the discussion you and Will had, I came to the same conclusions you had after you had played both. I'll be interested to hear your review if the Ruby when it hits the market. Thanks for all of the great content!

Thanks for the Cheetah Predion E16 mention when talking about low swing weight. 😊

Anyone thinking about the new DBD Infinity paddle, be careful with the grip size that you receive. I have used a paddle with the 4.5 inch handle size for 2 weeks and now have a severe case of tennis elbow. It was hurting so much today, i had to stop during a match and leave the court. Been playing PB for 14 months and this is the first time I have had this issue. I did contact Six Zero support and i can return the paddle, but have to pay for shipping and a 10% restocking fee. (not good) Just be aware if you are thinking about this paddle, you might be get a 4.25 grip size or your might receive a 4.5. I wished i had the choice, but it was not offered.

@declan2253

Ай бұрын

Does bigger grip help with tennis elbow?

100% correct. I played with it and sold it next day. Was soft as a pillow at the line but lacked power and made no sense to keep it. Great review. Wait for that new RUBY coming...

@bryanfalat4169

7 ай бұрын

Did you add a little lead tape? It's a great paddle

Finally! 😊. Ive been waiting for this review to see if i was gonna get an Infinity to replace both my DBDs 14 and 16mm. I think I'll stick w my DBDs for now or until the review for the new Ruby comes out. Thanks for all your work Chris.

Nice comparison. Based on my personal experience, for people who like playing with the Vatic Prism Flash 16mm, the DBD Infinity is an upgrade in most ways. The Infinity has equal or better control, a bit more power, and equal or better hand speed due to a slightly lower swing weight. The only downside is the Infinity does have a slightly smaller sweet spot. Nonetheless, I have now gifted my Vatic to my wife and the Infinity is my main paddle.

@evk3593

7 ай бұрын

Double the price to the Prism isn’t a downside? Lol

@irablumberg5986

7 ай бұрын

@@evk3593 Depends on your perspective ;-). Regardless, I was discussing performance aspects that cannot be judged sitting at a keyboard.

@jeremy7383

6 ай бұрын

What I came here to find out. Thanks! hahaa

great review, waiting on the ruby hope you or pickleball will can do a review before their release date.

I am glad that this paddle has a spot in the Six Zero lineup. In golf, you have players irons and game improvement irons. Players irons (Blades) have smaller sweetspots but help consistent ball strikers shape and control their shots. This paddle is like a player's iron. When you hit the sweetspot it feels incredible, and the control and spin is fantastic. A great 3rd shot drive for me isn't based on velocity, but rather placing the ball a foot over the net at a desired spot with topspin, diving downwards. The original DBD is like a game improvement iron in golf. It has a generous sweetspot and is very forgiving. Staying with the golf theme, the edge guard on your paddle not only protects it, but acts as a perimeter weight, increasing the size of the sweetspot. When you don't have an edge guard, you lose some of the perimeter weighting, and that impacts sweetspot. NUTSHELL: If you are a consistent player and looking for control, spin, and maneuverability at the kitchen line, this paddle is a great choice.

@colecampbell3036

7 ай бұрын

That’s an amazing analogy!

@Jich505

7 ай бұрын

Coming from a golfing background myself (also playing forged blades) this is the exact analogy I used to describe different paddles to some friends as well. The perimeter weighting is very much like the effect of a cavity back iron versus a muscle back iron blade.

Awesome comparison! Great seeing you at PPA. You saved me $15, thanks for the burger review! Lol

Nice review, will you be doing a review & comparison with the new six zero Ruby? Thanks

I agree with a lot of this review. I like the infinity because I can naturally generate a lot of power, I do feel that the spin is on par or higher with the infinity than the original DBD.

@luke9822

7 ай бұрын

I wish they didn't so heavily brand these paddle faces because everywhere the font is has zero grip and is super slippery. Any ball that hits on there will not hit carbon fiber.

🔥🔥 Really nice comparison

Spot on review!

This vs ballista? Which one is the better option since they are competing in same paddle category?

hey bro I have played with both of these paddles. I like the control I have with the infinity but I don't like the swing weight. My serves with the double black diamond are we more controlled. I was thinking of adding lead tape to increase the swing weight while utilizing the control. You suggested if I was going to add lead tape I should just get the original double black diamond. My question is if I add lead tape to the infinity, Will that compromise the control?

Would love to see this vs Ballista vs Luxx. All edgeless, control paddles.

Funny enough, I have my DBD 16mm setup with the same lead tape configuration as you showed on the Infinity. Curious Chris what the twist weight and swing weight numbers are on the DBD 16mm with the 4 bars of 3g lead added at 4/5 and 7/8 o clock spots

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

I can probably guess based on the Infinity numbers. It would probably be about 7.3 twist weight and a 118-119 swing weight. If I were back home I’d double check for you.

@ddyoder

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for responding and guessing! It does feel VERY stable and I like the plowthrough and improved sweetspot with the added weight... even adding a *bit* more swing weight@@PickleballStudio

I'm confused, adding lead feels ironic? There must be a silver lining, usually your advice is golden! Today I noticed a crinkly feeling/sound when pressing the surface of my paddle. I do not notice any extra "poppy" sound of the paddle with drives. I have not noticed any decrease in my control game. Is this core crush? Delamination? it's a 8 month old paddle and we regularly play in 30 degree weather so I'm out of warranty. Still love this paddle. John

What do you think of the ruby?

Is this a good paddle if I like to smash my paddle against the ground whenever my partner hits a crap shot?

Pls do a review of Gearbox G2 paddle. Can't find any real info about it besides their website

Chris, quick question on sweet spot of infinity compared to GB Pro Control EL. ? bigger or smaller?

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

Sweet spot is bigger on the Infinity IMO.

Chris, since this really is all about advertising to the populous for purchase, you should really include details about the warranty. It is ONLY a 120 day warranty concerning core issues like disbonding etc and their policy isn't customer friendly when it comes to really standing behind their products integrity in the long run. The 120 day policy comes straight from the company and greatly dissuaded my perspective and i am usually highly generous. Give the public ALL THE DATA.

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

They actually just changed their warranty as I was making this video. I forgot to pin a comment last night. It’s now 6 month core crush and a 12 month standard warranty. This news was given to me yesterday while I was scheduling the video.

@Atrain0114

7 ай бұрын

100% agree. Awful customer service. My paddle delaminated just over 5 months and originally thought it was 6 months but that’s not the case. Very disappointing since I emailed six zero several times and haven’t heard back.

@JosephTMyers

7 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio then they need to apply that to those who have had the misfortune of the previous paddle's generational errors...this won't go away otherwise

Considering the DBD but want to see the review on the Rudy first. Any idea when you are going to squeeze that into you already busy schedule?

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

Not 100% positive yet. Hoping a few days after release.

@scottpriske6793

7 ай бұрын

thanks Chris. Appreciate all your hard work.

Weird, I can see an edge on that edgeless paddle!

Long live the DBD!

Chris, is the DBD still your go to paddle or have you switched? I have to say that it's still mine!

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

I’m currently using the Gearbox Pro Power. DBD is my backup.

@nadzoll

7 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio Oh shoot, now I have to check that one out! LOL

@nadzoll

7 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio Elongated?

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

Yup!

@villbuzeep2043

7 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio in what ways does the elongated perform better than the normal (fusion?)

Are you doing a Ruby review on the 6th when it comes out.

@AllanMRR

7 ай бұрын

I'm hoping he does because I'm still looking for a Christmas gift....for myself 😅

@Ericsolgard8383

7 ай бұрын

@@AllanMRR me as well, Merry Christmas to me

Bought Black Diamond in July this year with my mate. Delaminated after 5 months of use. Customer service said that warranty only for 120days. (they recently change to 6 months for paddle purchased after September) Poor quality product marketed as premium paddle. Never had such problem with other brand paddle that i had used more than a year. Do not recommend at all.

not first!

Hey Chris! I’ve been diving into shoes recently and am having a hard time finding a shoe that is durable enough for the constant wear and tear of pickleball. My shoes right now are only last about 3 months. Usually less. I know you like the head shoes but I would love a video on pro and cons of other pickleball/ tennis shoes/ basketball shoes specifically for pickleball.

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

To be honest, 3 months isn’t bad. Myself and others can wear our shoes in 2 weeks to a month. Anything longer than 3 months and either your shoe is a rock or you aren’t playing as much. Check out Zach the Foot Doctor on KZread for court shoe advice. He’s amazing.

@JflipJedi

7 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio I love Zach’s channel! I reference his videos all the time. He’s been super helpful. I was playing 4-5 times per week. 4ish hours per session. But it’s getting pretty frigid out here now so I’m having a hard time finding people to come out with me. We don’t have any indoor courts here yet. So now it’s down to 2-3 sessions per week. Anyway, I’ve been able to get my shoes to last two or three months most of the time if I’m being mindful to not drag too hard. But each pair is over a hundred bucks and my wallet is not happy with me. Haha. Any suggestions?

I actually prefer the SBD over the DBD, the power makes up for less hand speed.

@douglasmurdoch7247

7 ай бұрын

Just so you know, what you’re calling the “SBD” is the “BDP” or just the “BD”.

@johnfinch155

7 ай бұрын

Yes the Black Diamond Power@@douglasmurdoch7247

just go by the old saying....."New doesn't mean Better"

Adding a little lead to it, makes its way better than the DBD. They are not the same. You should have at least tried it with lead

@slackersc11

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. The infinity is awesome with lead tape.

No, it's because Six Zero measures their handle wrong. They literally include some of the carbon fiber facing in the 5.5". You have to go up to the USAP logo to count 5.5"

@rusty935

7 ай бұрын

theyre mongoloids over at 6zero

@douglasmurdoch7247

7 ай бұрын

Yeah they’re definitely getting it wrong. Tape measuring the handle shows 5.25

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

I’ll double check when I get home. When I measured to the top of the grip tape I got 5.5”

Good review Chris and pretty much how I found it. The only thing I slightly disagree on is that you say putting 6 grams of lead tape low down on the bottom corner is ironic as you are basically turning into a DBD. I don't find that this is the case - the Infinity is still a lot faster in the hands than the DBD even with the lead tape. It has to be really as it doesn't have an edge guard all around the perimeter. An edge guard adds weight of course but also has a negative effect on aerodynamics. The Infinity is a great option for players who want faster hand speed and a soft feel as you said but I find that, like all other edgeless paddles that I have tried, it does need the extra weight at the sides to increase both the sweet spot and twist weight. For me, it would have been a great upgrade going from a Gen 1 paddle but after playing with a 16mm DBD for the last six months I can't go back to a paddle with less power and pop as, even with the added lead tape, the Infinity is still more a control-oriented paddle albeit with more power than a Gen 1. Having said that, I will keep the Infinity as my backup paddle for now and perhaps practice with it to see how much my drops and dinks improve. One other thing I notice about the Infinity is that it has a much smoother surface than the newer DBDs (I just bought a second one in the Black Friday sale). It feels as smooth as my 6-month old DBD. I know the Infinity still produces great spin but I wonder why it is not as textured as the new DBDs? By the way, have you heard if the smaller grip inserts are available to replace the larger ones fitted by the factory to the original batch? One option is to remove the stock grip and replace it with an overgrip but I would prefer to use the stock cushioned grip.

My only real complaint about the SixZero paddles is the mismarketed 5.3 inch handles. If you measure, they’re actually closer to 5.25 inch handles. God I wish they would actually use a 5.5 inch handle. I want to want the upcoming Ruby, but I’m not sure if it also has this short handle.

@PickleballStudio

7 ай бұрын

Really? I measured mine to the top of the tape as 5.5”

@douglasmurdoch7247

7 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio just checked and still got 5 1/4. I even went in to the Pickleball exchange in LA and asked there and they also said that most DBDs are closer to a Vatic Pro 5.3 inch handle. And when I hold one up to a Vatic, the handle lengths look identical to me.

What width of edge tape do you suggest? They have 3 widths

@luke9822

7 ай бұрын

That depends on the thickness of your paddle. You'll need to measure it. The edge tape he linked to comes in 20mm, 25mm, and 30mm.

@WilkesFamilyPB

7 ай бұрын

@@luke9822 this paddle comes in one thickness…

Strange that my Selkirk ball has a longer warranty than this paddle...

Definitely not first.

First!

220 not happening too many other companies that offer just as good but half the price .I use the vactic flash. and omega max