As a fan of neither of these two teams, without question sir Alex’s legacy is unmatched. But all the kudos to Wenger as well. Because after his last league title, Chelsea came into the picture and Arsenal needed to reinvest in the squad, but he wasn’t given the funds to compete for the league. Had Wenger given the tools to compete, I would assume he would’ve led Arsenal to two or three more league titles.

Sometimes Simon looks at Martin like he has massive respect for him and his views and other times he looks at him like he’s a idiot sitting in the corner

@lukelocks9083

7 ай бұрын

Seen that too.

@Ayah_Mia

7 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 Spot on

Martin can be hard to listen to but this video was his finest hour ; shown himself here to be a good man which can't really be said of Simon

2:27:the way Simon loves to clown Martin tho,even jim was like give him a break Simon🤣🤣🤣

We'll just ignore Laurent Blanc and his 4 league titles then lads 😂

@anthonyclarke4016

7 ай бұрын

or Strachan and McLeishes titles up north or Hening Berg's title in Poland (Ole in Norway)

@jackhewitt600

7 ай бұрын

Wouldnt really count him. He was only at United for a couple of years at the end of his career.

@magikarpsplashy

7 ай бұрын

@jackhewitt600 so you wouldn't count the last team he played for before becoming a manager? The part of his career where he'll have actually being doing his badges and taking a proper interest in that side of the game? Weird

Can’t recall the year exactly but I remember looking at the league table once and something like 13 of the clubs were managed by men who had played for Ferguson at one time or another at United or Aberdeen. It was ridiculous….

@isaacjacobs3785

7 ай бұрын

Being a manager Vs being a successful manager. That's the only thing that matters

@nadeemamode

7 ай бұрын

Its not ridiculous. He coached other coaches who couldnt challenge him

That was a nice, interesting little chat. I enjoyed that.

Top footballer to Top manager: Conte, Pep, Simeone, Ancelotti, Cryuff, Daglish, Deschamps, Zidane, Capello etc. Plenty more.

@Woze899

7 ай бұрын

Conte??

@williamwallace7651

7 ай бұрын

howard kendall, joe mercer, george graham, roberto mancini, vialli, jupp heynckes

I might be wrong but Arteta already has an FA cup as manager. Overmars, Vieira, Van Bronkhorst, Adams, Ljungberg probably have as good a managerial pedigree as Hughes, Rooney, Keane, Bruce and Neville.

@terryolekszy9486

7 ай бұрын

Please enlighten us all,to what adams and co have achieved

@seagull8415

7 ай бұрын

@@terryolekszy9486 out of 36 former Man utd players who have gone on to management only Gordan Strachan and Ole Solskjaer have won domestic titles with Celtic and Molde. From the 12/13 players who played under Wenger that have gone into management Gio Van Bronkhorst has won a domestic title and cup, Arteta the FA cup. So honours about even.

@terryolekszy9486

7 ай бұрын

@@seagull8415 either Man Utd or arsenal players have ripped up trees

@Alloyd876

7 ай бұрын

😊exceptionally great players rarely make great coaches. Ancelloti guardiola zidane are the few

@anelkaisgood2

7 ай бұрын

💯 percent. That’s the first thing I thought when they say who has won anything… ummm Arteta. Took them a bit to get there

Puel, Hoddle and Klinsmann all played for Wenger at Monaco and went on to be managers.

Jordan went from smug to apologetic nodding once Martin explained why he left management

Alex MacLeish and Gordon strachan both won stuff

They might not have wanted to go into management. What a ridiculous conversation.

What kind of silly question is that from Jimbo here? How many Ex Fergie players have been managers over Wenger ex players like the Jordanite said what have they actually won in their management career?

Had Ole won the europa league you could argue he has achieved as much as Arteta

@bg7393

6 ай бұрын

With a billion pound squad… Also had Arteta won like 12 league titles and 2 trebles you could argue he’s achieved as much as pep…but he hasnt

@grassrootsfootball225

6 ай бұрын

@@bg7393 also your anology is apples and oranges .. Arteta has achieved nowhere near what Pep has but Ole finished 2nd and lost a cup final on pens, Arteta finished 2nd n won a cup final, so my point stands irrelevant of your opinion

Brain clough is the best example of a top footballer and a top manager greatest goal scorer are country ever seen and in my eyes the greatest manager of all time for what he did at derby and Nottingham

@Haggislfc

7 ай бұрын

Brian Clough was a second tier footballer, did he even play in the top division? 😂

@thebristolianmackem2039

7 ай бұрын

@@Haggislfc yes 2 seasons almost he got the same numbers till his injury he got the England call up he joined Sunderland so he could play in the top tier

@ifstar3

7 ай бұрын

For godsakes, you never heard of Cruyff, one of the greatest footballers ever and has the best coaching tree out there. Pep and rijkaard have 4 champs leagues behind them and countless league titles.

@thebristolianmackem2039

7 ай бұрын

@@ifstar3 yh but clough did it with little derby and Nottingham

@markglendinning3956

7 ай бұрын

@@thebristolianmackem2039No, he didn’t. Clough played three games in the top flight scoring one goal. We’ll never know if he was capable of repeating what he’d achieved for many years in Division Two, but ultimately the record books can only show that he was a second division player. Sunderland were also in the second division when he joined, and were for three of his four seasons there - the only one they were top tier was the last one, when he played three times. Mackems and facts …

Wenger was brutal the last 10 years or so. Teams had no back bone or mental resiliance. He's lucky her inherited such a great defence at Arsenal when he first arrived.

Wow what a clash

Guardiola, Luis Enrique, Antonio Conte, Diego Simeone, Xavi, Zidane - all top players and good managers

Sir Alex record is outstanding but Wenger was a revolutionary manager. He changed the game In England. He also opened the door for a large influx of foreign managers. His achievements are underated. He was at a club that didn't have the financial muscle that man u and Chelsea and later man city had. He was working against the gradient. Arsenal were a selling club and yet he achieved amazing things. Most successful manager in fa cup history and the invincibles.

@grassrootsfootball225

7 ай бұрын

Arsene wenger spent more in his first season than fergie did in the previous 4 at that time

@jamesjarrett52

7 ай бұрын

Yeah he introduced foreign players which has not been a good thing.

Nice to hear some goodness from Keown rather than being the head of the players Union he usually is 😊

Phelan, Robson, Brucey, Keane, Berg, Stam, Ole, Giggs, Carrick, Rooney, Butt, Scholes, Ince, Blanc, both Neville’s, Darren Ferguson, Ruud, etc, etc. I’m sure there’s a few more and regardless of how well they did, it’s still pretty impressive.

@kimlog7476

7 ай бұрын

How many trophies have they won as managers though?

@alibabashero

7 ай бұрын

​@kimlog7476 Never knew there was a competition on what past players of fergie and wenger have won trophies as managers. News just in. Nobody cares.

@BobVance529

7 ай бұрын

@@kimlog7476 there aren’t too many managers to win a trophy in the last 15-20 years that haven’t come from of the top 4 clubs other than Leicester really.

Always been a fan of Simon, he was honest, blunt but mostly respectful. He’s started to enter into the interrupting bully territory recently and I’m not a fan

If Wenger was given the funds SAF was he’d have done the same. They basically have the same trophies won their first 10 years at Arsenal & United. Then the emirates was built and financial backing went out the window and so did our trophies bar a few FA Cups.

Given his background the best way for Martin to reply is to say, every player who played under Wenger knew they could never reach his genius level of manager so they have just all decided to spend the rest of their lives living on a beach with a cocktail in their hand. Players who played under Ferguson just thought they might be able to influence the officials like crafty Ferguson did.

They were both geniuses in different ways. Let's leave it at that.

I think it is admirable that he took time to care for his mother. Could easily have paid someone else. Good man.

Why did Simon laugh just after the question about management? Either they are very good friends or they hate each other.

Arteta only knows what guardiola knows Xabi alonso is a more appropriate example because he's not strictly inspired by rafa benitez. He has had other winning coaches to learn from gerrard, riera, torres, kuyt all went into coaching too

Arteta was a top player at his peak. He just couldn’t get into the Spain side because that had his best friend Xabi Alonso, plus the likes of Marcos Senna, Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc Fabregas, David Silva, Santi Cazorla, Sergio Busquetts, Juan Mata… all the deep lying positions and playmaker positions were covered. Arteta at his peak for Everton and Arsenal was one of the best midfielders in England.

Tbf Ferguson not only shaped Bruce into being a manager, he made him into one that would get his teams to roll over for him too.

Cesc, Arteta, Henry, Viera, van Bronkhorst etc. are up and coming managers. Give them time.

5:38 Martin demonstrating there that while he can't match Simon for intellect he can very likely exceed him on much more important attributes like empathy and friendship

One is a legend one used refs and intimidation to win 🤷‍♂️

@johneastwood3039

7 ай бұрын

And one is a Liverpool fan I'm guessing?

@jhpfdijtuiweruot

7 ай бұрын

It's an absolute yawnfest to hear about "refs for Fergie" or "Souness was just a thug" arguments. Can't you just enjoy the football and appreciate the talent?

@united6997

7 ай бұрын

One is a club legend other was hounded out by a large section of the clubs fan base for his final few years

@kose111

7 ай бұрын

@@johneastwood3039 nope

Actually where is lee Dixon ..almost forgot he existed

Ancelotti Ferguson Conte Zidane Rijkaard Cruyff "Top players don't make good managers"

Wouldnt exactly say Gary Neville was a good manager.

What a stupid discussion... how many ex United players have become successful managers 🤷‍♂️, Arteta hasn't done too bad, Viera isn't too bad 🤷‍♂️ Keane, Gary Neville rubbish... Bruce was the best of the crop I guess

@magikarpsplashy

7 ай бұрын

Blanc

As a Man Utd fan they were both great managers, tactically wenger was better,but man management fergie was better,fergie edges it by the amount of trophies he won,not forgetting the treble

@terryolekszy9486

7 ай бұрын

@@SharpShooter2020 Good point

@grassrootsfootball225

7 ай бұрын

Tactically fergie found wenger out by the end

@Alzenryo

7 ай бұрын

Wenger play better football doesnt mean tactically better, ppl always missunderstand between good football and good tactics. Wenger play better football than Jose but he got Outclassed by Jose tactically, also he only got 2 wins in 19 attempts vs Jose. the last Wenger ever touch Fergie level was in 2007 but after that he got outclassed by Fergie. still remember Fergie use 7 defenders to beat Arsenal, and 8-2 with average squad. but Arsenal fans always making excuse "oh because he spent big money". and i challange them, if Wenger given 2013 United squad could he win a premiere league? i dont hink so, i bet he would struggle getting top 4 instead.

@tshepokotelo3162

6 ай бұрын

​@@AlzenryoWenger is a specialist in failure

On the Wenger V Furgie question Arteta is the best of the bunch. Steve Bruce second due to haveing a long career with several promotions. I dont think either were great at having 'accolites'. Pep, bielsa etc have a better reputation than both at making managers. Rooney, Thiery, Carrick and Patrick V are very average managers that have forged their own way , mostly on the basis of their playing career. None of their styles of managing, resembles their old playing style because the game has changed so much.

They’ve been watching stick to football😂😂😂😂😂

Jim digging!

13 3. Why would this be a debate.

Dalglish was the only one that was a top player and a top manager

Arteta is from Everton 😊

Simon’s a prick for that smirk he gave at the start of Keowns commentary about coaching

Wenger had a career of two halves at Arsenal . First half he was amazing

@Dave-wh3hw

7 ай бұрын

Then Abramovich turned up

@grassrootsfootball225

7 ай бұрын

@@Dave-wh3hw then they knocked down Highbury more so

@Dave-wh3hw

7 ай бұрын

@@grassrootsfootball225 On Wenger's say so

They both are responsible for the rise of the PL equally imo. But Roman Abramovich is a 3rd.

Has has Gary Neville and Wayne Rooney. V Arteta. No debate

Counting arteta even though he literally worked with guardiola… ok

Wenger changed English football and fergie went with it eventually winning the duel , both legends but SAF is the goat

@jhpfdijtuiweruot

7 ай бұрын

That wasn't even the debate. Learn to read. Lol

Arteta???

Ancelotti and Zidane … 🤷‍♂️

Arteta?

I'm an Arsenal fan but there is no debate, Sir Alex Furguson was the best

Wenger won trophies he should never have won, he was never the manager of the richest team. Fergie mostly was. Wenger overachieved more.

Fergie clear but gotta love Wenger

Bill Nicholson won 16 trophies with Spurs 👀

Think big eck won 5 trophies at rangers and won the league cup way Birmingham in England who played under Ferguson

Has nothing with sir alex its because they have been given a better opportunity

Ferguson brought us Ole ????? He was good at the wheel.

Wenger 2 title - fergie 13

Didnt he manage granada in spain lol

Going by the title, more managers will come from Fergie however, more successful ones will come from Wenger

@hulkhogan12345

7 ай бұрын

On what planet 🤣

@rkt177

7 ай бұрын

Well for one, Arteta will win something more meaningful first before any one of Fergie’s guys

@nhlanhlakhumalo7851

7 ай бұрын

@@rkt177 he's already won the FA cup

@magikarpsplashy

7 ай бұрын

Lauren Blamc says hi

@anthonyclarke4016

7 ай бұрын

@@rkt177 Blanc, Strachan, McLeish, Berg?

Zidane ?

What a ridiculous argument here.If anyone is even making a point to say likes of Rooney, Neville, Giggs, Keane had any form of a decent Managerial career, you live in a cuckooland my friend 😅

Guardiola.

So everything you said Jim is BS!

Frank Bekenbaur

Simon thinks that everyone thinks like a power grabber , so sad

Really sorry to hear about martins mum having dementia. Awful disease to have

doesn't matter who produced more managers..... each manager is responsible for his own legacy...... Wenger brought in great innovations and tactics, but you cannot out-muscle Ferguson with his stats...... even as an Arsenal fan, I consider sir Alex in Top 3 of greatest managers of all time, easily

@JuliusSeizure-tw6mi

6 ай бұрын

Who does make the other two spots? sorry for the late reply?

I love Simon but he can be a idiot the way he disrespected Martin.

As an Arsenal fan…. Ferguson and all respect to him was a ruthless winner…. Wenger won things but revolutionized football in this country. They are incomparable.

Gone into management done nothing at top level conversation irrelevant

Isn't Arteta a "Wenger Acolyte"? Wenger is the most successful manager in FA Cup history, and Arteta has already won an FA Cup; as well as completely reinventing Arsenal as a club, as Wenger did.

Why is this even a debate Im old enough to watch the rivalry in the late 90s and yes wenger won a few premier leagues with one of them invincible brilliant but he couldn't reinvent himself when Chelsea where bought by Abramovich then Man City by Abu Dhabi were as SAF did reinvent himself by still winning the GOAT

@chrisfenton4

7 ай бұрын

I dunno how I’m the first like on this comment after 4 days cos you’re spot on mate

@ashleyhulme4931

7 ай бұрын

@@chrisfenton4 thanks mate 👍

Alex done things for his own ego

Wait! Alex Ferguson's guys haven't had success lol

Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊

Kinsman

It’s Fergie hands down. Wenger didn’t manage to reinvent a team year after year. Even in their latter years Fergie was still winning stuff whereas Wenger was being booed out Wenger did bring in a different way players should look after themselves and I’m sure Fergie learnt from that

Simon Jordan is a nasty person. So glad Martin clipped him straight. Well played Martin.

Theres lots of top players that been managers. Carlo ancelotti Pep Zidane Didia Deschamps Cruyff Klinsmann Simeone Mancini List goes on lol

I believe Cristiano is going to be a great manager one day,,,His desire to win will never die because Alex Ferguson installed that winning mentality in all his players

Off the top of my head for Fergie. Bruce carrick Rooney mcliesh strachan McGee Keane both Neville’s stam giggs Hughes. Wenger- Arteta Vieira Adams Henry No contest

@kose111

7 ай бұрын

You forgot the refs😂😂😂😂😂

@kalbad

7 ай бұрын

Good head. Might as well add Incey from the top of my head. I’m sure there’s more but my head ain’t good enough. Arteta is more of a Pep prodigy than Wenger.

@jhpfdijtuiweruot

7 ай бұрын

@@kose111 Yawn. You forgot to come up with an original comment

DO NOT COMPARE ANYONE WITH SIR FERGUSON

@rogerdavies2796

7 ай бұрын

Why ? 2 C League wins in over 20 years is poor. They never dominated in Europe. You're wearing blinkers.

@alibabashero

7 ай бұрын

​@rogerdavies2796 Since 2 dont matter. Tell us what manager has won 3 or more Champion leagues then.

@rogerdavies2796

7 ай бұрын

@@alibabashero In the modern era......Carlo and Pep.

@alibabashero

7 ай бұрын

Personally, I'd still pick fergie as a better manager than both, but each to their own.

@alibabashero

7 ай бұрын

@@rogerdavies2796 plus neither manager you mentioned dominated Europe.

Ferguson will have produced more managers, but Wenger will have produced the best one; Arteta.

Pep Guardiola the best. Changed football for ever.

It's a diagrace to even compare The Great Sir Alex Ferguson with Arsene Wenger. Don't get me wrong Wenger is a formidable manager and exemplary human being. But Sir Alex is out of this world.

Gotta be Sir Alex. Henry was poor as a manager. But then Keane, Bruce, Rooney, McLaren, etc. haven't been great.