Looks at Texas flag... "Yeah, I can draw that." Looks at Wisconsin flag... "Umm... I'm just gonna draw their flag as a wedge of cheese on a blue field."

@jeronimotamayolopera4834

6 жыл бұрын

REALITY... FOR US... IS PROBABILISTIC... DETERMINISM IS NOT FOR US.

@gregaaron89

6 жыл бұрын

Wait, that's not the Wisconsin flag?

@herrpez

6 жыл бұрын

I think it says a lot about the US when it didn't even occur to me that it wasn't Wisconsin's real flag.

@thetruth3068

6 жыл бұрын

if you google Wisconsin flag, the picture of cheese with blue background actually came up on the fifth row of google images

@NetAndyCz

6 жыл бұрын

I am glad I saw this comment because (ignorant of the fact that American states do eveen have their own flags) I thought it was Wisconsin flag:)

“more money makes you a cat” the true American dream

@lgn9818

4 жыл бұрын

technically stolen comment

@hangukhiphop

3 жыл бұрын

Aristocat!

@GogaPartizan

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, is that why americans are CATholics?

@charliejulietdavies8715

3 жыл бұрын

the Furries have entered the chat

@fluffigverbimmelt

3 жыл бұрын

A fat cat

If a cat loses enough money will it statistically turn into a human?

@MrBullsBalls

6 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@vectorsigma6757

6 жыл бұрын

geryon Yes, but I doubt they have enough money to loose to begin with, so I doubt they'll ever turn into humans. But, this makes me wonder why cats exist in the first place... Were they all humans at some point of time and lost all their money and got really poor and eventually turned into cats? After all those extremely poor homeless people on the streets do behave like cats to some extent already, living in trash, eating from trash cans... Omg! It's very likely they were humans before! Jeez!

@CrispyXL21

6 жыл бұрын

according to our GOP's understanding of statistics, of course.

@mravecsk1

6 жыл бұрын

Not realy human, more like turning into "The wolf of wall street"

@williamshumate5242

6 жыл бұрын

LOLOLOL

This was recommended to me because I've been watching clips from The Simpsons. Thanks KZread

@russellfautheree4650

5 жыл бұрын

I don't believe you. No one looks up clips from the Simpsons on YT.

@ScriptStudios

5 жыл бұрын

@@russellfautheree4650 Hello, I am No one. It's nice to meet you :P

@superhyperyoshi

5 жыл бұрын

Saaaaame

@danielyeshe

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought it would have something to do with the Simpson's!

@martincooper2175

5 жыл бұрын

Russell Fautheree I actually watched episodes

If you put cats in boxes, you don't gotta worry about treating them. Problem solved. Schrodinger was way ahead of his time.

@Pushed2InsanityYT

4 жыл бұрын

Paradox of paradoxes

@HarvoSpoon

4 жыл бұрын

just make sure the box's coin flip doesn't make the cats all die anyway

@geraldfrost4710

3 жыл бұрын

If you put a cat in a box with a poisoned pill, there's a very good chance that the cat won't take the pill. Put a dog in a box with a poisoned pill, and you've got a dead dog.

@ozmel146

3 жыл бұрын

@@geraldfrost4710 I didn't need to know this

@Raulxz

Жыл бұрын

@@ozmel146 what if you’re in a situation where someone forces you to pick between a cat and a dog of which you have to put in a box with a poisoned pill

"You can misinterpret this graph as saying more money makes you a cat" I _died_

@Optimusskyler

Жыл бұрын

rip

@mekafinchi

Жыл бұрын

@@Optimusskyler the ghost of this user appreciates your paying respects

@tommybomby4122

Жыл бұрын

So that’s why furries are rich

@flameindigo8035

Жыл бұрын

well yeah, do you know how much fursuits cost? it's ridiculous!

@AmadeuShinChan

Жыл бұрын

@@flameindigo8035 i once purchased vegan leather shoes, for 100 bucks, the moment i left the store i almost fell. The ground was wet and i literally fell at least once. But i donot want to make animals suffer for my convinience. Now i am in the Simpsons paradigm? I am so confused.😂

"being a cat makes you happier" so true

@alkestos

4 жыл бұрын

cant argue with that

@apollo4294

4 жыл бұрын

The Commenter have you seen a cat? They have their own towers, they get fed every day, and they get to sleep whenever they like

@Antking09

3 жыл бұрын

Eat and sleep

@jamesmcaree8327

2 жыл бұрын

More money makes you a cat

i thought this was a video on how the simpsons predicted the future or something but that’s how little i know about the word paradox

@tinweirdytthingy9571

4 жыл бұрын

Paradox is when something that cannot be explained by the universe's physics. For example: If you time travel to the past and kill your father, then you wouldnt be born to time travel and kill your father. That's a paradox

@vrtris

4 жыл бұрын

ElTech0 XD cheers

@jacksonpowers3947

4 жыл бұрын

Tristan Overholser I thought so too man

@circuit10

4 жыл бұрын

@@vrtris A paradox is just something that doesn't make sense

@agustinamestoy8818

4 жыл бұрын

Paradox is also an unexpected answer to something.

"more saddness makes you richer" oh boy, where are my Infinite Euros

@alkestos

4 жыл бұрын

finally my depression would be useful

@uncertified-banger5595

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta appreciate that Ramiel pfp

@gerasimosnektarios4077

3 жыл бұрын

you are not sad enough. you need more desparation in your life.

@henryholsten8802

3 жыл бұрын

Best angel

@morgiewthelord8648

3 жыл бұрын

Euros 😂

I had a math teacher that told one once: Statistics are very important to learn well in order to know they are useless. (His point was that if you dont understand statistics, you can be fooled more easily).

@kraftrichter1599

3 жыл бұрын

Thus he assumed you were too stupid to understand statistics

@geraldfrost4710

3 жыл бұрын

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. also Numbers, when tortured, will confess to anything.

@lrmcatspaw1

3 жыл бұрын

@@kraftrichter1599 He was my teacher, not the other way around. Of course he assumed I was stupid.

@KP3droflxp

3 жыл бұрын

Statistics are only useless when no detailed methods and assumptions are supplied and the results aren’t properly reported.

@lrmcatspaw1

3 жыл бұрын

@@KP3droflxp That is a beautiful theory, just like communism: It does not work in practice. Name me one statistical study that you know where these problems are not present.

More money makes you a cat and you can’t change my mind

@rollerskdude

5 жыл бұрын

Steven Crowder in a nutshell

@rayflyers

5 жыл бұрын

I can if I give you money. Then you'll have a cat brain. Also: Checkmate, atheists. Evolution's not real. God just creates different species by paying them. God is loaded.

@jeffallen55

4 жыл бұрын

I have no money. I am not a cat. Ipso facto, hic ergo sum, transit sic gloria.

@MonkeyJedi99

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffallen55 I didn't know Gloria was sick!

@ColtonMiller6012

3 жыл бұрын

Suspiciously wealthy furries 🤔

"if your a cat, you have more money and more happiness" well, that explains catgirls

@MidnightAssass1n

4 жыл бұрын

Your favorite Haunter :nya intensifies:

@overlordcringe2715

4 жыл бұрын

Furries

@albond

4 жыл бұрын

Your favorite Haunter *you're

@Pizzanator-gp2bb

4 жыл бұрын

@@overlordcringe2715 so what

@overlordcringe2715

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pizzanator-gp2bb q

TLDW; Having money makes you a cat

@imadsh522

6 жыл бұрын

Alejo Storni somehow

@JoshFollmann

6 жыл бұрын

It's science!

@Triumvirate888

6 жыл бұрын

Whatever weirdo makes these videos, he needs to take a basic English Literature 101 class so he can come up with less idiotic analogies. The point of an analogy like the cat-money thing is to explain a complicated abstract concept with a much more simple abstract concept. He did the reverse. He tried to explain a complicated abstract concept with a ludicrous and incomprehensible abstract concept.

@grizzlymanverneteil4443

6 жыл бұрын

Bot having money makes you a black cat

@jonnenne

6 жыл бұрын

Triumvirate888 Or maybe you just didnt get it. I think it was fairly simple. But then again, so are you.

More doughnuts makes Homer happy, which makes him fatter, which makes him sad, which makes him eat more doughnuts. Poor Homer is only poor and fat, neither happy nor sad.

@nagualdesign

6 жыл бұрын

I thought it was the fact that even though Bart is only ten years old he's been bullied by Nelson for nearly 28 years.

@yfdugyu

6 жыл бұрын

no tv and beer make homer go crazy

@sharkseatmore

6 жыл бұрын

Now I want donuts

@nacoran

6 жыл бұрын

Doh!

@B3Band

6 жыл бұрын

No TV no beer make Homer, something something...

"...and cats are both poorer and happier than people..." Yup... Yup.

@TheRandomInfinity

3 жыл бұрын

Not wrong

3:14 what that actually works my uncle once got like reaaaaally rich and he now is a cat so the implication is true

@JF-py3vq

4 жыл бұрын

See what u did there

@alexiadamasceno1255

20 күн бұрын

he is now* also that's called a "gootraxian"

"More money makes you a cat." This is the best thing. Period.

"More money makes you a cat" Man, I wish I was rich right meow! [Edit] Wow over 600 upvotes? It wasn't even that funny or well-thought out. I didn't even get my capitalization correct!? well, thank you, people. It still feels good to be one of the top commenters.

@TheDonutMan3000

6 жыл бұрын

Someone won the lottery

@Jsuarez6

6 жыл бұрын

Lol. I didn’t see that coming. You made my day better. Thank you.

@that1valentian769

6 жыл бұрын

The term fat cats makes much more sense with this in mind

@adamklam1

6 жыл бұрын

Everyone. Go Google image search "chairman meow"

@KuraIthys

6 жыл бұрын

mrrrow? Nyot to rain on nyur parade, but I may be turning into a cat, yet I have nyo wealth to speak of. Meow... Err...

When it comes to statistics, sample size is everything. If they used the same sample size for all 4 groups, it would clear up the issue. Small sample sizes are easy to manipulate, larger sample sizes are quite a bit harder.

@dzello

Жыл бұрын

Nope, this has nothing to do with sample size difference. You can get the paradox with enormous samples of millions as well. It's about categorizing data and he even showed multiple cases with the same sample size yet the paradox applies.

@sairentov

Жыл бұрын

Yeah what the hell, he said "aggregate the data" and then proceeded to bin together 1 treated cat and 4 treated people against 4 control cats and 1 person, like wtf u cant do that

@dzello

Жыл бұрын

@@sairentov 1. You can, you can aggregate data in various ways depending on what you're studying 2. You rarely get perfectly split statistics, so it happens all the time

@matthewpaul8670

15 күн бұрын

It has everything to do with sample size. If the sample sizes were equal, the paradox wouldn’t occur. But in the real world when you collect aggregate data you might not know what the different categories are or if they are relevant.

Forfty percent of people don't believe in this paradox because they wanted to see something about the TV Show Simpsons, Kent.

@anandsuralkar2947

4 жыл бұрын

40% ur statistics ate misleading though

@meta04

3 жыл бұрын

Forfty

Simpson's Paradox isn't about how Homer manages to be alive after all that he has inflicted upon himself?

@brunor.1127

6 жыл бұрын

I tough that was a video about the simpsons

@turkeygrasslesnatch4742

6 жыл бұрын

Maaaaarge

@WaveOfDestiny

6 жыл бұрын

Remember the clones of himself from the halloween episode? Oh wait they don't have the belly button nvm

@j0hncramer

6 жыл бұрын

i thought the simpsons paradox was how the show can be on for 29 years and yet bart is still only 10.

@ludiwang1172

6 жыл бұрын

I don't really see how that's a true paradox... maybe he's just super tough.

"after careful analysis the statistics tell us we're biased and even hint at where those biases are or aren't coming into play know the paradox is that we've remained so reluctant to fight our biases even when they're put in plain sight." So after explaining how there can seem to be bias but in fact be down to personal choice of the individual (what college course they chose) your conclusion is "we've remained so reluctant to fight our biases even when they're put in plain sight."

@InfamousArmstrong

6 жыл бұрын

Autism Is Unstoppable You seem to be blaming individual choices while refusing to look for the causes for such choices.

@AutismIsUnstoppable

6 жыл бұрын

People have free will. There are always going to be more people of a specific group doing a specific thing because people are not the same. For example most nurses are women but most IT engineers are men, this is likely because women have more caring tendencies (because of children) and men have a more logic focused brain.

@christopherg2347

5 жыл бұрын

So that deparments that women prefer are undefunded is someone not a institutional bias?

The first example is actually pretty easy to solve or “correct” The cats treated should be counted as 4 out of 4 instead of 1 out of 1 The people that are not treated should be counted as 4 out of 4 instead of 1 out of 1 Here we are calculating probability and death rates so we should calculate them as fractions or decimals instead of plain numbers

@Sir_Opus

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it seemed so stupid to me; I don't see why he didn't simply give the same explanation as you!

@blazeredraw

Жыл бұрын

or... maybe you just treat the people and not the cats both win and we good

@andyowens5494

Жыл бұрын

Thats a simple explanation for a problem that can be much more complicated in real-world statistics. He used cats and people to differentiate the groups. Now try it with men and women, asian and white European, people with blue or brown eyes, or even more subtle distinctions in the population that might be FAR from obvious (people who eat nuts versus people who don't eat nuts - unless you're actually looking for it, you might not even know which question to ask of the sample). He used a crude example to make the point - sometimes its almost impossible to know what differentiates two populations in the sample, so its easy to reach misleading conclusions without knowing the correction (interpretation) is necessary.

@benstallone6784

Жыл бұрын

why would you count 4 cats if you only observed 1 cat. that would totally screw with confidence interval

@issholland

Жыл бұрын

​@@benstallone6784 I interpreted it as having a control group. But I don't know what he truly meant by it.

I choose to believe that more money turns you into a cat.

I love how you make even complicated concepts and info easy to digest and understand! Could you do a video on 'a*b*sorption vs a*d*sorption? I'd love to see your take on it, because most other sources give raw data/info without clear examples or fun cat analogies! Anyway, thanks for making these videos and sharing knowledge in a fun way! I've been a fan and viewer for 5 years or so by now, and hope that you continue for many years to come!

Monthphysics

@xway2

6 жыл бұрын

Hello fellow planet.

@luongmaihunggia

6 жыл бұрын

The Earth wrong, this video is not a month long, it's only minutes long

@chrisbadiou1407

6 жыл бұрын

yes but there is only one physics a month

@kleitosp.6272

6 жыл бұрын

The Earth Fresh air whats next? The rain?

@jongyon7192p

6 жыл бұрын

i wish these vids were a month long

Subscribed! I loved your explanation process and your overall vocational attitude in the video. Can't wait to learn a little more at a time from you!

Thank You for this succinct explanation. This is kind of what has been plaguing us during Pandemic times where people, without breaking down the statistics are reacting to Vaccine data and using arguments against it. This helps us arm ourselves to look beyond the face-value of numbers and diver deeper into all of the confounding factors that make them up. Cheers.

@glitchdigger

2 жыл бұрын

"using arguments against it" - No. They're *defending* themselves with any logical evidence they can think of because they don't want to be personally forced or coerced into a medical procedure. "this helps us arm ourselves" - Another artifact of an *offensive* mentality. You've been engaged with an "us and them" mentality and instilled with a vaguely threatened sense of your own mortality. Any fan of history knows what comes next.

@granite_planet

2 жыл бұрын

@@glitchdigger Gotta love your absolute confidence in psychoanalyzing a complete stranger on the internet based on a couple words. Get real, fool. You're looking for things that aren't there.

@AnEnderNon

Жыл бұрын

bruh 💀

@gregorteply9034

Жыл бұрын

Cov. Vaccines weaken your immunity, thanks, statistics.

@Poyni

Жыл бұрын

Last week I went to a lecture that talked about how statistical data can be misleading in how if 0.1% of vaccinated people die of COVID and 1% of unvaccinated people die of COVID but 95% of people are vaccinated then it'll look like 60% of COVID deaths are from people who are vaccinated and will then be misinterpreted to mean that the vaccine is harmful when it isnt

*gets halfway through the video* RIP comments section.

@CFood0

6 жыл бұрын

Most comments I'm seeing are actually about being a cat instead of the political bit in there. Actually pretty cool tbh lol

@Hakasedess

6 жыл бұрын

There's nothing political in there though. It's just a fact.

@Suedocode

6 жыл бұрын

+Hakasedess Yeah, but there are some nasty interpretation of those facts that tend to creep up on youtube. Seems this audience is better than that though.

@robertseeley1808

6 жыл бұрын

Except that being financially poor and uneducated is directly implied to be caused by a person's race.... as opposed to the individual choices made by individual members of said race. There are too many poor and stupid members of any race you choose to consider this factual. Just as there are too many intelligent and well off individuals of each race. If you grow up uneducated and poor in America, then your parents suck and are to blame. If you stay poor and uneducated as an adult in America then it is you that suck and are to blame for your troubles.

@Hakasedess

6 жыл бұрын

Well, yes, racists do tend to latch onto it and make it political, that much is true. I think the key is to refuse their racist ideas outright, and with that comes a refusal to acknowledge it as a political issue. That's how I feel on the issue anyway. (Robert Seeley is a good example, how convenient for him to drop by.)

maybe im just stupid, and i am, I assure you. BUT! it seems like these paradoxs only exists because the data is being incorrectly displayed.

@CANOOB18

6 жыл бұрын

None of the data were "stated incorrectly", it's just that you need context and human input for the data to make sense.

@DarkXelNaga

6 жыл бұрын

I dont know, the one about being richer would turn you into a cat seems like it was stated incorrectly. The proper way would be to have two lines, one for humans and one for cats. Lumping groups together that have differing variables seems like in it self a fault. I see it as the three ring magic trick, It only seems like magic if you cover up the break in the rings with your hand and not show it to people. Its no more magic than this is a paradox just because you choose to hide information that would prove otherwise.

@BoojumFed

6 жыл бұрын

The problem is that in most cases subsets are not as rigidly defined and easily identifiable as these examples, and the issue of how to group/ divide them itself injects a subjective aspect into the data. The decision about which variables can or cannot be 'lumped together' is one of the issues (along with identifying potential causal effects from mere correlative data) this paradox is based upon. Unfortunately the nature of statistics makes it more and more useless smaller the groups under study are; but fortunately breaks in resulting data lines can show where previously unidentified significant variables occur. This is why science isn't just a one-study-and-we're-done project.

@o76923

5 жыл бұрын

@@BoojumFed is exactly correct. The issue is actually even more generic than this because the number of groups overall can be manipulated to tell very different stories. It gives political pundits the option of finding the story that they want to tell buried in the data.

Why do I find this just now? I had to spend the entirety of 2018 without knowing that more money makes you a cat. A really cool video about a really interesting topic 👍

Thanks for this great video which I learned a lot! ... Simpson's paradox reminds us to be more cautious when we are dealing with these two situations: stratified data for observational study and blocked data for experimental study. Because the potential "confounding factor" could lead to it if the sample size of each stratum or block is significantly unproportionate.

I've heard this concept several times, and this is the first I actually understand it now. Thank you!

"More money makes you a cat" -minutephysics 2017

@garetclaborn

6 жыл бұрын

that may be what goes on this youtube channel's tombstone after this fiasco lol

Still one of the best and clearest explaining video about this topic.

This video is so refreshingly succinct! Gotta love getting all the info you need with no fluff. Keep up the good work!

"More money makes you a cat." ...I have now found my purpose in life.

This reminds me of a similar problem in my physics class. I had a 89% in the class(calculated from a weighted average of my test grades and classwork grades) There would be one more grade before the end of the quarter, and it was a test. I wanted an A, so I figured I'd have to make a 90 or above to bring up the average. However, I made a 87 or so and it brought my overall grade up to 91 or so, because it brought up the average test score. I thought this would be a good real world example because adding a lower average to a set brought the overall up

@l1mbo69

10 ай бұрын

how could it bring up the average if the average is 89

@natejack2292

10 ай бұрын

@l1mbo69 It's because it's still greater than my test average. For example, imagine if my test grade is weighted to be 50% of my grade and homework the other 50%. Say I made a 40% on my first test and a perfect 100% on my hw. Then my grade is 70, a C. The next test rolls around and I get a 60%, which is lower than my overall grade. Now my test average increased to 50%, increasing my grade to 75, C+.

@l1mbo69

10 ай бұрын

@@natejack2292 i fr just somehow completely skipped the classwork part

The graphic with the two clusters (3:00) perfectly illustrates the maths behind the paradoxon!

Thats not a paradox, I prefer to call it bad experimental design

@ethanholshouser5648

5 жыл бұрын

If the data actually came from an interventional study or something then yeah, it would be indicative of bad design. But the paradox can also apply to data from other sources as well.

@kylerivera3470

5 жыл бұрын

I think that it is less bad experimental design and more bad statistical analysis. After all, the data can still be good, but if you use it incorrectly or leave out some details, then you get a problem. Of course, bad experimental design can influence what data you get in the first place so it's not completely innocent either.

@MaestroAlvis

5 жыл бұрын

So, there are true paradoxes which poke holes in the universes and then there are apparent paradoxes which seem like they poke holes in the universe until you take a closer look. People rarely talk about the former.

@DrKappaDelta

5 жыл бұрын

As general rule in biostatistics, you should not include in your pool of subjects different species because even in the same specie you have a lot of variability. And it is a bad experimental design because part of the experimental design consist in selecting your group subjects.

@kylerivera3470

5 жыл бұрын

@@DrKappaDelta sometimes it can be helpful to look at multiple species in an experiment if you want to know how something affects different species, all you need to do is to keep the data separate between the species when analyzing the data.

Ok ... but where is Homer?

Part 2 Simpson's Paradox: "Comments disabled because the discourse failed to remain civil." I really appreciate for your work and as a long term fan, I'm extremely disappointed with the way you handled that.

@YunoGasai414

6 жыл бұрын

#triggered

@rikwisselink-bijker

6 жыл бұрын

I was disappointed as well. I expect this from junk channels who are intellectually dishonest. It really surprised me to see this. That the comments were disabled in the first 24 hours leads me to suspect there is disagreement within the subscriber base, from whom my experience is that discussion is very civil, even when it gets heated. I came there after the comments were deleted, but if the part2 comments here are anything to go by, disabling comments is a move I did not expect from MinutePhysics. I can do nothing more than wholeheartedly agree with aaron4820. Why not address actual arguments instead of silencing any dissenting voices by dismissing them. If you want the moral high ground, act like it.

@MikkoHaavisto1

6 жыл бұрын

I think the part two completely forgot biological average differences between men and women. For example on average men are more interested in things and women are more interested in people. This might be the reason why women don't choose engineering, even if there was no discrimination.

@aaron4820

6 жыл бұрын

It wasn't forgotten, it was the elephant in the room everyone was pointing out, resulting in the "uncivil" discussion that ended up getting the comment section closed.

@spinningchurro

6 жыл бұрын

"Comments disabled because the discourse failed to remain civil." "I censored you because your response didn't fit my narrative."

I tried learning about this out of textbook and it made no sense. I watched your 4 minute video, and it makes perfect sense. Kudos, and thanks!

I love that you include cats in your example! making it more fun and easier to understand

Context matters. There, I just summarised the whole video for you.

"More money makes you a cat."

At business school we did +/- this with baseball batting average- A has a higher average than B overall, but B's average against both RH and LH pitchers is higher than As, but they have significantly different frequencies of batting against LH and RH pitchers. (and for those that want to go to the "why"- the frequency thing is likely explained by the make-up of the rest of the team, and/or specialization of fielding position, or the make up of the pitching rotations of the in-division teams, or manager's perception being wrong , or...)

Judea Pearl in his book of "Why" , which treats causality , has explained the origins of this paradox quite nicely using causal diagrams . I recommand checking out his work

The gerrymandering of statistics

@hassanakhtar7874

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! That is actually really accurate.

Why are the comments disabled on part 2?

@P3rformula

6 жыл бұрын

Gadiel Nathan Arriesgado - he deviated from the physics and began sharing his political views, of which enough people disagreed with.

So understandable ! Very interesting content

3:14 you could also make the mistake of assuming a gang of cats is about to fight a gang of humans on a street.

@thiccchungo1041

4 жыл бұрын

I CANT STOP LAUGHING

The first paradox isn’t paradoxical, you just drew conclusions incorrectly. When you aggregated the first graph to get the second graph, you added checks and crosses even though the boxes didn’t have the same number of people in them. That would be like finding the mean of fractions without the same denominator. 1/1 combined with 1/4 doesn’t equal 2/5, it equals 5/8.

@luckygnome2746

6 жыл бұрын

In fact, this whole video just seems like you are drawing conclusions without enough data or drawing them incorrectly.

@Reddles37

6 жыл бұрын

That's the whole point of the video! The examples with cats and humans are meant to make it obvious that you can't just add together members of different groups. But the problem is that everyone is unique, so there are no clearly defined groups of people. In a real experiment it's not always obvious which factors are important, and you can also get incorrect results from splitting groups that should be counted together. What if the groups were something trivial like eye color? If a treatment heals 1/1 brown eyed person but kills 99/99 blue eyed people, do you think we should treat the groups separately and conclude it works 50% of the time?

@luckygnome2746

6 жыл бұрын

Reddles37 that example does make more sense. So basically the point of the video is that mistakes are made in statistics and they are supposed to be more complicated than in the videos? That just seems like something i assumed, but that might be because I have taken stats courses before.

Love how the comments are disabled for part 2. That is really a cheap way of avoiding uncomfortable debate of important issues, including sex bias in society. However, I will state this - if you are going to come to the conclusion that bias in certain fields is due to some societal discrimination that happens prior to the selection process at the university level, and not due to individual choices that might have other influences other than society (such as biological or genetic), then you have to show where that bias or discrimination exists and not just assumes it exists.

@seigeengine

6 жыл бұрын

They literally said that different results mean different opportunities. Whoever was behind that video clearly has no capacity for reasoning.

@InfamousArmstrong

6 жыл бұрын

Midnight Chemist Blaming biological or genetic differences requires first disproving every other possibility.

@InfamousArmstrong

6 жыл бұрын

seigeengine Evidently neither do you.

@MidnightChemist

6 жыл бұрын

InfamousArmstrong Not if there is well documented evidence of differences between males and females based on genes and hormones. Most of the social causes others would cite are so nebulous they are difficult define, let alone find to disprove their influence.

@Joey-db8bv

6 жыл бұрын

It's liberal BS!

I was looking for videos on the Simpsons TV show, and this is not what I was looking for. But this was a great informational video, nonetheless.

@michaelcarter2851

5 жыл бұрын

These are not the Simpsons you are looking for.

@dr.shadox4927

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelcarter2851 Doh !

this is so good, thank you

2:12 The comment section is going to be fun.

@lourencodenardinbudo686

6 жыл бұрын

Or scary!

@KC9UDX

6 жыл бұрын

They see me rollin' you got that far?

@JonatasAdoM

6 жыл бұрын

the comment section is hatin

@jasoncarto

6 жыл бұрын

To be fair, blacks in Texas are smarter cause, texas.

@NazoCrystal

6 жыл бұрын

yeah i didnt know the flag was cheese.

Since your comments on the sequel to this video are disabled I'll leave my question here: Why should all careers have an equal distribution of different people groups? Is it some sort of unquestionable moral obligation? If anything homogony and equal distribution of careers aren't healthy since demand for different jobs and the backgrounds for specific careers vary widely. Trying to force a child of a specific gender, race or socioeconomic background into a career path towards or against a trend won't help that person at all. They'll probably end up hating their parents or teachers for forcing them into a career they don't enjoy. Just let people go where they feel like and stop dreaming about the perfect distribution of jobs and university majors. Maybe what you call "bias" prior to finding a career or college is just what people find comfortable or find matches their existing interests, is that really a bad thing?

@seigeengine

6 жыл бұрын

Valuing equal results instead of equal opportunities is always oppressive. Shame they seem to think they're the same thing, as per them saying as much in their second video.

@somethingclever1128

6 жыл бұрын

Biases aren't necessarily a BAD thing. There IS a bias for women to pick certain fields and males to pick other fields, and it's undeserved to some point, but it's also very understandable too - more women would pick English to STEM, and that's not a bad thing. The point of the video was that that aiming for a 50%/50% rate actually favours a group because of the stats being misrepresented, and valuing equal results doesn't work when you don't understand the stats and assume the bias is where it's not. And while it's wrong to force your female child to go for a STEM degree because feminism, if your child actually wants to become an engineer it's equally wrong to force them into a shitty art degree. I don't understand why all the incels and gaters rage, given if anything the video shows that feminist equity theories don't work because they're predicated on flawed interpretations. Get laid already dumbasses.

@Eudaletism

6 жыл бұрын

Well, we already know employer biases exist. As an example, there were studies where resumes were left unchanged except the name being changed from a white-typical name to a black-typical name, resulting in lower acceptance rates for the same credentials. In the absence of any political goal, profit-motivated companies would try to use some method to avoid this bias since they otherwise would be passing up good employees for bad reasons, and losing low hanging fruit to their competitors.

@fusobotic

6 жыл бұрын

I believe I've heard of this study before, however, you must call into question what classifies something as a "black/white-typical" name as that in and of itself is a racial stereotype. Also, I'm curious what the metrics would be, what companies they consulted and other factors. Wouldn't the researchers have an obligation to reveal racial biases to companies being tested themselves if not the public? I'm curious if you have a link to it so I can take a look. Another aspect you have to consider is job-culture fit. Some companies, though they might like the employee and they have all the right credentials, might not like or mesh well with other workers regardless of their background. And even beyond that sometimes people don't work well with coworkers they can't relate with. Anyway, my point being that while diversity of a workforce is important, it's more important that a team works well together and that its members are competent enough for their roles. At least that's what investors look for in smaller, startup companies. They don't care as much about the estimates as they do about how solid the team is and what they've already achieved.

@Masterfortinero97

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't understand. The first half of that video shows that women are actually given more oportunity than men per individual department (revealing that this is indeed a case of simpson paradox), only to later assert that women have less opportunity than men (!!!)

Thanks for reminding to do my economics assignment with the graph

"More money makes cats sadder" Citation needed.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -B. Disraeli

I knew I'm a cat all along.

@ChazEvansdale

6 жыл бұрын

I'll never be a cat, but I'm statistical outlier with how happy I am based on my, intentionally limited, monetary wealth. :)

@fidelcatsro6948

6 жыл бұрын

Meowgratulations!! you were never alone!

@togwam

6 жыл бұрын

Len Frantora cats are happy because cat videos make people happy

@toddq6443

6 жыл бұрын

I like cats.....For eating! Lol. >^..^

@klausmana5747

6 жыл бұрын

*was ... LEN CMON GET YOUR SH*T TOGETHER

You were so close to realizing something here with the Texas and Wisconsin analysis

Excellent video on the problem of correlation vs causation, or the “ice cream causes shark attacks” fallacy

"more money makes you a cat" I'll never forget this quote

RIP Snowball 1

@lourencodenardinbudo686

6 жыл бұрын

This comment!!

your voice gives me goosebumps...

Best explanation of the SImpson's paradox ever

i dont mind becoming a cat. as long as i have money and happy

@aviradius4455

6 жыл бұрын

Kuroji so you like being dumb with no brain

@kylekern2908

6 жыл бұрын

DankMan Cats have brains and they're pretty smart. So what you said is pretty damn ignorant.

@georgplaz

6 жыл бұрын

i dont mind behig rich and happy as long as i can be a cat

@user-eq2ug7in7b

6 жыл бұрын

Say "DankMan".... lmao

@garetclaborn

6 жыл бұрын

what if you can only be a depressed rich cat :(

not sure if i can stay subscribed to a channel that doesn't allow discussion, a real shame tbh

@nbt2397

6 жыл бұрын

why would you stay sub'd to a science channel that doesn't believe in science?

@garetclaborn

6 жыл бұрын

i feel almost the same but i would be ok with an apology and just *STICKING TO PHYSICS, MINUTEPHYSICS* ffs

@christopherg2347

5 жыл бұрын

If the best comment is aroudn "Oh we commenters dared to criticize holy cow of feminism, how could we?", who would not turn off comments?

Great video!

This is a GREAT one!

Simpson's Paradox can be seen in things like college acceptance rates. When you aggregate the various colleges in the UC system, it looks like they discriminate against women, but if you take each college (Engineering, Business, Liberal Arts, etc...) separately, you see the opposite result.

@TunnelDragon44

6 жыл бұрын

But there is still a huge amount of discrimination against women being accepted into college for engineering majors.

@kevinyan4281

6 жыл бұрын

You literally just completely ignored everything Daemonstorm said.

@heisvi9317

6 жыл бұрын

TunnelDragon44 Proof or gtfo

Nice video, i learned something. Apparently my room is painted in a shade of "socioeconomically advantaged", wasn't aware that was the name of the colour.

@crazydave6787

Жыл бұрын

My main take away from this video is that non-white people are poor and stupid. I don't agree with that, but the video implies it.

This channel should be minute science since there is more than just physics here.

Thank you for highlighting the old adage "there's lies, damned lies, and statistics." The phrase was never meant to mean you couldn't trust statistics, only that some groups will twist their meaning in ways like you described as being errors in logic, just to support an agenda. Sad part is a lot of them think they are doing it for the right reasons and believe their own distortion. Always look at the data yourself, make a good judgement, rely on people you trust to help you interpret it.

And the comments are disabled in part two, sad, cause I wanted to have a discussion on the controversial subject of university admissions with people of different political beliefs.

@rikwisselink-bijker

6 жыл бұрын

Me too. And usually the comments can get fiery, but always stay polite (except the 0.1% trolls you get everywhere).

@Blaze6108

6 жыл бұрын

More like 0.1% of polite comments and 99.9% of trolls.

@rikwisselink-bijker

6 жыл бұрын

Because everybody who disagrees with you is a troll.

@derman3219

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Would have been nice to have a debate with some people. Even if they disagree. And banter is nice. He should grow a thicker skin and re-open the comments.

@yetanotherkeyblader7473

6 жыл бұрын

not because everyone disagreeing is a troll but because this is the internet where the majority are either A. quite rude for a polite but fiery debate or B. complete trolls. And let's not forget that there are also people who agree with you but use bullshit arguments. An example: I was in a debate once about the problems of islamic refugees in germany (yeah, I live in germany). Basically it was me and some other guy versus the whole rest (a wonder it stayed polite). While I tried to make the argument that it's basically impossible to distinguish a peaceful muslim with a terrorist and that the religion in itself isn't "peaceful" at all, everything my partner talked was how "german culture" and "german values" were endangered by it (basically what every idiot would argue). Guess which arguments were debated and which were dodged by doing so. (also, don't trust edited comments)

I see that you've deleted comments for part 2, stating that the discussion was too uncivil. If you decide to do that permanently it would be a huge knock on the reputation of MinutePhysics, please don't do that! The discussion format is an excellent way to learn more, and I always scan through the discussion for thoughtful remarks. I concede that there are a lot of remarks that aren't carefully thought out. However, the benefit of healthy and free discussion is the foundation of KZread. As an author you can easily delete select remarks if they cross the boundary of racist or insulting behavior, and you can even screen remarks before they appear. Most authors will have the backbone to let remarks from those who disagree with some aspect of their video remain. So, it also represents a forum for healthy discussion. Now that KZread have deleted the author's ability to post annotations within the video, it is an important way to update thoughts or mistakes that are present in the video, short of deleting the whole thing. Advertisers have to know that the author is not responsible for remarks in the discussion forum, we can't let advertisers force us into accepting KZread as a lesser format just because some person left a bad word.

@bradirv

6 жыл бұрын

True

@rikwisselink-bijker

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your thoughts. I couldn't agree more.

@anon-kun5418

6 жыл бұрын

"comments are disabled for this video" immediate red flag about everything said in the video shoot up into the air. This is the internet, if your gonna complain about the lack of civility of peoples comments don't put up videos with controversial statements in them. I'm certain if you did a study, you would find that videos that say controversial things are much more likely to have a verbal brawl in the comments section than not, though you shouldn't need a study to figure that one out.

@nearislespringdike3084

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I noticed that as well... I think he reserves the right to disable comments if he wants to, but that doesn't necessarily mean it;s the best choice.

@GiantSavage117

6 жыл бұрын

spelunkerd I agree with nearly everything you said here, except for your comment of allowing a "healthy discussion". There is nothing healthy about the trolling, bullying, insults, and racist comments that pop up in every single KZread video comments section, discounting the small channels that only get 20 or less comments. The KZread comments section is a nasty place and is no place for a "Healthy discussion". But I agree that the comments should be left there unless they start getting unmanageable using the tools KZread provides creators. If it gets so bad you can't control it then sometimes the nuclear option is the only option. I cringed when he started mentioning the test scores and different races thing, even though he was being perfectly factual and professional, you know there is someone somewhere who got triggered.

at 0:43 for the medicated group you should do (100 + 25) / 2 which is 62.5% not 40% and if you do the same one for the unmedicated, you get (75 + 0) / 2 = 37.5% which implies that medicating has a better chance of recovery either way you group them

0:51 ok but the top right and bottom left ✓'s and X's are representing 25% of the population, while the top left and bottom right represent 100%. So really, shouldn't it be 5/8 survival rate with the medicine, and 3/8 without the medicine?

@swapnilsonawane7907

3 жыл бұрын

I was going to say exactly this. So the medicine is effective.

Tip of the day : Just be a cat, cat is always happy.

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain

Love this video.

I watched this video to see if it was a video about the statistic likelihood of The Simpsons, which has ran basically about a billion episodes, thus presented the world with about 50 billion unlikely scenarios, being able to "predict the future" simply through huge volume of outlandish scenarios.

"More money makes you a cat." This is why the world needs to work exactly how MinutePhysics says it does.

Minutephysics why did you remove your comments in your latest video?

@P3rformula

6 жыл бұрын

Graztriton maybe people there didn't agree enough with his politi- i mean physics...

@garetclaborn

6 жыл бұрын

lmao graztriton, and here i thought string theory was controvers-i mean bullshit

@graztriton705

6 жыл бұрын

P3rformula exactly and isn't science supposed to be politically free unless in political science and in examples

@kaandevalus46

6 жыл бұрын

lol the answer to your question is right here in the comments. he doesn't want to have to deal with derogatory behaviour

@SeanWinters

5 жыл бұрын

Because he is biased.

I got recommended Simpsons videos for watching minutephysics videos before this was recommended

3:39 *or more sadness makes you richer And this is why I'm depressed

Why have you turned off comments for part 2?

@vgamesx1

6 жыл бұрын

Well you wouldn't want anyone fighting any biases around here now would we, minutephysics?

@garetclaborn

6 жыл бұрын

the comments made a better argument than the video and that scared him

The second part makes sense, regarding how context matters and all that, but i have no idea what you were talking about in the first half. I mean, With treatment: 4/4 cats live | 1/4 people live WIthout :3/4 cats live | 0/4 people live so if we sum those up and make cats equivalent to people you get 5/8 things live with treatment and 3/8 live without. So, its clearly better. Correct me if i'm wrong but what you did makes no sense what so ever, its like, if 1/1 cats live then im adding 1 as having lived and if 3/4 then im adding 3 as having lived! WHAT?! As i've said please correct me if im wrong or have misunderstood the point of the segment

@pragmaticduck1772

5 жыл бұрын

Youre correct mate, it also felt as though he deliberately moved through it fast to ensure no one saw it.

So... who else saw the thumbnail and the title thought that this was going to be about how The Simpsons make so many episodes with unique events that eventually some of theme come to be real?

I mean directly associating race with socioeconomic well being, which also indirectly translates into a higher level of education (if you consider how effective the states financial aid program is at bridging the education gap) is an assumption that needs to be put to the test by a separate study using the same population. That example...kind of muddies the waters further on providing context to statistics.

"Minute" "Physics"

@kaki00105

6 жыл бұрын

Karolis haha. Well put

@williamkrueger404

6 жыл бұрын

Karolis "science"

Why did you disable comments on newest video? I have an honest question? What if women are just more interested in the arts while men are more interested in the sciences? Wouldn't that just be choice of each gender? Nothing should stop women from choosing engineering.

@seigeengine

6 жыл бұрын

No, you see, if you get different results, that means your opportunities were different, and if people get paid differently for different work, that means they were paid differently for equal work. These are literally things they said in their other video. I'm unsubscribing. I have no tolerance for this level of agenda-pushing echo-chamber nonsense.

@jasonscst

6 жыл бұрын

seigeengine yah it would be nice to have less political agendas displayed on KZread. In here to learn and not be propagandized by both sides

@SurmaSampo

6 жыл бұрын

+Lex Markkel The data sets were correlative only. The actual mechanism of action or elimination of other primary causative factors needs to be shown to prove causation. The problem may be multi-factor so then degree of influence of each factor needs to be proven which is obviously a lot harder. The data established that the bias occurs before the University admissions system but does not determine the cause, the cause was only stated in the video, not proven.

@garetclaborn

6 жыл бұрын

there's no value in proving it though. it's absurd to think it's systematic in today's society that drools over affirmative action, unless you find that affirmative action decreases female and minority enrollment. oh, there've been countless studies over decades showing that? oh huh....

@jasonscst

6 жыл бұрын

garet claborn lol

I’m an actuary and I saw an example of this in my work a few weeks ago; I was unaware there was a name for this

Thought this was about the Simpsons... The TV show :(

@charlyschwartzberg461

5 жыл бұрын

@Simon Dewitt The more it gets renewed the worst it gets. So many paradoxes...

@jimmym3352

5 жыл бұрын

glad I wasn't the only one

I knew it. Bill Gates is a cat.

@fidelcatsro6948

6 жыл бұрын

a very smart cat!

@ObsidianParis

6 жыл бұрын

A copycat !

@garetclaborn

6 жыл бұрын

#IllumikittyConfirmed

I think to illustrate the paradox better, you should have first described it as Group A and Group B, then later revealed that one was cats while the other was humans.

I was genuinely intrigued by this video, but I really thought the paradox you've mentioned was referring to The Simpsons' floating timeline within the show

3:11 makes me want to start an online journal using statistics to screw with people a la the Onion, and also publicly enlighten people on the dangers of statistics.

@mammutmkii7242

4 жыл бұрын

I thought that's the whole point of Nutrition Science.