I kinda get what he is saying but ultimately this just moves the "line of contention" back half a yard

@stretfordender11

28 күн бұрын

Also it gives the advantage so much to the attacker that defenders will have to sit really deep

@saki1333

28 күн бұрын

Yeah it will make the game more defensive not attacking imo ​@stretfordender11

@tomben6180

28 күн бұрын

Spot on. All it does is move the controversy to the back foot instead of the foot

@matthewviliamu2679

28 күн бұрын

Wenger raised this idea years ago. It was always more to do with giving more advantage to attacking player

@mrnumba154

28 күн бұрын

​@stretfordender11 Defenders won't have to play any deeper, they'd just need to react more quickly once a ball is played, roughly 1 yards difference. We'll probably see a few more goals because the attackers will have a slight advantage but that'll go for both teams.

Daylight between a defender and striker? What happens if it's night time?

@marvelloussingandu415

27 күн бұрын

The drawn lines would shine through i guess 😂

@Bladesmobile

27 күн бұрын

Floodlights dipshit

Dermot Gallagher - "It's always the forward who is offside" - surely the defending player is hardly likely to be offside! (This observation was also made by a very thoughtful person).

@lich8103

28 күн бұрын

This is an intellectuals statement, what's wrong?

"I'm a very thoughtful person". Gallagher and these refs are absolute self obsessed power bastards

@dirtydawg448

28 күн бұрын

Maybe the problem is that all the best referees go to rugby where you don’t get twats like you gobbling off at them all the time - I love football but the on-going treatment of referees which obviously the people running the sport could change tomorrow if they wanted to is nothing short of childish behaviour - it’s not a problem in rugby because the players have been made to tow the line - players are now under more control in football too but supporters are worse than ever - VAR is the problem and it needs to change or go

@Rua007

19 күн бұрын

Facts

@dirtydawg448

19 күн бұрын

@@Rua007 abracadabra!

I've been saying the offside rule should be changed exactly like this for years, if a player is so far ahead of opposing players that daylight is between them then they only have themselves to blame because it should be easier for players looking to time their runs to still be onside and will result in more goals. Besides the offside rule was initially created to stop attackers hanging around the opposing box all game, not to chalk off a goal because their toenail was ahead of an opposing player.

@alantheloneranger

28 күн бұрын

It doesn't make any sense, you will still end up with the same scenario. You could end up with half an inch of daylight between the players so therefore you are offside by half an inch. That's the same as if your toe is offside

@stretfordender11

28 күн бұрын

You do realise defenders will defend really deep?

@Jamie__1

28 күн бұрын

@@alantheloneranger I disagree like i said i think its easier for attacking players to time their runs correctly so i think it will result in less close call decisions, of coarse no matter which version of the rule if a player tries to cut it too close then we will get a close call decision but like i say with the new rule change i believe that will happen less often

@Jamie__1

28 күн бұрын

@@stretfordender11 So you think the entire defensive line will retreat because attacking players have at most 2 feet of leeway, i doubt it they can still still play the offside trap if they have a high line and if they insist on having a high line they better make sure they have defenders pacey enough to deal with attackers timing their runs correctly, the point is though the rule as it stands is ridiculous, being offside for a toenail, how is an attacking player supposed to account for that it would be much easier for the attacking players with the rule change

@stretfordender11

28 күн бұрын

@@Jamie__1 they won’t play a high line. All defences will have to drop deep. Mourinho will probably win a CL again. There is still going to be a line 😂 all you are doing is changing it

It doesn't matter where you draw the line. You still have to draw a line if you can or can't see daylight,,your just changing where you drraw the line

@darreno2428

27 күн бұрын

Shhhh they're too thick to realise.

@totsh2056

26 күн бұрын

That's true, but that's not the point of discussion.

I can remember when Bamford was offside because of his finger he was pointing where he wanted the ball played... ridiculous. I think Ian Wright's idea is great.

@7dandaman

18 күн бұрын

Technically that decision would have been incorrect (ie it should have not been offside) because you can’t score with your finger

@acchery8910

17 күн бұрын

​@@7dandaman not technically absolutely!, So it brings to the table that the problem is the refs not the rule, not VAR. Germany does this without too much error and it was done well in afcon. Why can't the Pl do it right?

The VAR offside technology that they now use in the Champions League & FIFA works perfectly. You can’t argue with it. The Premier league just needs to introduce it next season. Just like there’s no arguments with goal line technology

@andrewpaterson8604

28 күн бұрын

Except the offside law was never intended to consider level of any description off side, it was to stop goal hanging

@joesheppard5960

28 күн бұрын

All we needed was hawkeye to record the ball going over the line fully, not looking at a players 3rd leg to see if it is offside.

@89Ayten

28 күн бұрын

The spirit of the law as originally devised was never meant to be atom perfect.

@MrOlgarius

10 күн бұрын

Yes absolutely. The new rule is insanity.. arsenal fan here.

At least the offside player will actually "look" offside and then the line of contention will be less controversial

@darreno2428

27 күн бұрын

Except when there's another player blocking the view.

@khayateme5376

24 күн бұрын

@@darreno2428 Then surely that should be onside

@darreno2428

24 күн бұрын

@@khayateme5376 If you understand football this shouldn't need explaining so I'm not going to explain it.

@khayateme5376

24 күн бұрын

@@darreno2428 This is literally about camera angles and technology...

I feel like the problem not many people are mentioning is that this makes it much harder for linesmen to judge, so we will have to use technology more. Now they can look down the line and judge if any part of the striker is offside, now they will be trying to judge if any part of a striker is inline with a defender which is just harder to do.

Wouldn't it still be millimetres regarding what is daylight and what is not daylight?

@SirAntoniousBlock

28 күн бұрын

Yes but by that point the attacker would be clearly gaining an advantage.

It has to be daylight between feet, because arms can dangle. We can't be trying to figure out if the forwards trailing hand is slightly behind the defender's toe.

Is this really going to be any easier to manage? Players leading and trailing legs overlapping etc. We'll still be zooming in on big toes.

It's worth a trial, it will be interesting to see what the results are.

@AndyYNWA_1892

27 күн бұрын

The problem is that they have already dont the trials. This is firm. No going back! It will make a farce of football.

Wasn't there a debate about a year in with VAR on Sky talking about the linesmen getting offsides 98% correct! i'll have to search for it but i'm sure there was a panel of 3 discussing about why do we need var for offside when the linesmen for the majority got it correct.

Why not let it be like goal line technology, the entire leading foot has so be ahead of the last defenders trailing foot (the off side line) to be offside. If the leading foot isn’t completely ahead of the line then it’s not offside.

I'm all for "clear offside" then an elbow or boot being rule as offside, ridiculous....

@daleviker5884

28 күн бұрын

So instead we will have ridiculous decisions about whether there was "clear offside" or not. When the defender and the attacker are twenty yards apart, it will still be just as controversial. Let's have a rule that offside up to one yard is ok. All that happens is there will be controversy over whether the player was 0.99 yards or 1.01 yards offside. How can people not understand that the controversy comes from having a line at all, not where the line is positioned.

@SteTrax

27 күн бұрын

@@daleviker5884 I think it's probably going to make the response time for the VAR check a bit quicker. There'll still be issues about 'when the ball was played' and 'where the line is drawn' but if it does mean fewer offside calls taking 2-3 minutes to analyse I suppose it's a bit better for the game and the fans.

If this goes through, that will be Wenger's greatest contribution to the game. 1000x times YES this needs to happen

This is just the same, except the lines will now be in different places. Also, what constitutes "daylight" How much daylight? Is a toe in level adequate? It's still subjective

That's a great change. The offside for Coventry for example, was NOT the sort of offside people were angry about being missed.

Jim - just say “daylight between defender and attacker” instead of having a coronary!

So if the defender's front leg and attacker's trailing leg overlap a little, it's on side?

I always thought that the football Subbuteo game had it right with the 25 yard offside line so daylight between the players and a 25 yard offside line is the way to go as far as I'm concerned 😄

What if the game is played at nighttime in the dark and there is no daylight? Do they scrap offside?

It will make it easier for attackers to stay onside = more goals. ...and its much more in the spirit the rule was intended ie no goal hanging

@AndyYNWA_1892

27 күн бұрын

It will also make the defence fall extremely low. We will go back to the 70's and 80's of Italian catenaccio. 😴 Also, freekicks close on the wings close to the penalty area will be hopeless to defend against. So all team will try to get as many freekicks as possible in the opposing half, since there will be no room to score from open play.

Day light is too much distance , any dinstance will be in mm , upper body anything less than 150mm, feet should never be judged as offside , we're not all the same size lol

Exactly! The PL has never seen more goals, including 42 game seasons 😂😂😂 just shrug at decisions people and you’ll enjoy your football all the more!!!!!!!!

Stick with the new automated offsides that are coming in because yes it will be more goals but how hard would it be for defenders to do there jobs. All it would take for forwards would be to stand off side behind a defender then just as the ball is to be played the player puts his foot in line and despite his whole body being offside his foot would keep him on. What a load of rubbish and it would make defenders irrelevant, how would they defend as a unit and hold a line knowing the forward who is clearly offside would now be on.

@user-pw6gm1tu6q

28 күн бұрын

but by planting his foot onside hes then at a disadvantage in running forward for the ball

This change will benefit attacking play massively, but it does nothing to improve contentious decisions. You still have to draw a line - nobody cares about the obvious daylight gaps, its when the daylight is NOT obvious is the problem. And the accuracy of the tech, the multiple freeze frames when a ball is kicked, the resolution of the picture, and the line, and the competency of the operator will still a problem.

It also lines it up with every other sport that has offside rules. As long as a part of you is in line than it shouldnt be offside.

I think a change brings back old school defending. The VAR call against Garanacho against arsenal makes me want this change the more

If rule changes like this cone in it makes masterclass plays like real Madrid beating man city by defending for the whole game or when Liverpool beat Barcelona 1-0 with an Emile Heskey counter attack less likely to happen.

Offside was brought in to stop giving attackers too much of an advantage, not to ruin the game by being a toe nail offside. If you can’t see that moving that line to that where any part of the attacker is onside then they are onside and stop huge delays in VAR and improve the game then I don’t know what to say. If you are a full person offside then you are very much gaining an advantage so if you are then offside by a millimetre then you are already pushing your advantage.

Will ruin defending set pieces etc. simple solution is the offside is measured from your furtherst forward foot/toe, leaning offside shouldnt be an offence because regardless of what part of your body you score with your feet get you there.

saying more accurate offside tools would disallow more goals is the same as admitting you're getting too many wrong

If the whole ball has to be over the line for it to be out of play or a goal then why does the whole of the player not have to be offside for it to count 🤷 kinda see where he’s coming from

@MUFCLounge

28 күн бұрын

Definitely, how are players suppose to run through when that player may be lightning quick compared to the defender. It would make the game a whole lot better if it had to be your whole body that was offside and not a toenail

There was a similar rule change with rugby years ago. And the necessity for tacklers to release the player tackled and show daylight before stealing a ball at the breakdown. I think this could work if implemented correctly

no matter what you do you will always have conflict about rulings . it's sports and it matters so people look for reasons to complain about whatever

Easiest aolution first is to make sure arms are not counted as offside. You not allowed to score with you arms ..so why penalize offsides for that reason. For me, its wither the head or foot only.

not a single video about the europa leauge final lol

Wenger Idea: This rule is inherently unfair to defenders. It will take awhile to figure but once deciphered, teams like man city would actually win more. It favours, heavily, the teams with the ball. Teams without the ball will sit deeper and no lesser team would ever win or draw against a bigger team. This rule is bad news. Think about that goal in the nations cup final which was onside because a defender stretched out to block a through ball. We all felt it to be unfair. Now it will happen all the time. Wright Idea: This is a little fairer. Since you have height and build differences between players so this evens that out a bit. However, I would prefer something more interesting that only VAR could help with. My idea: Unless there is daylight between attacker and defender, the flag should not go up. If no goal is scored in that phase, the game continues. But if a goal is scored in the same phase of play as a potential offside, then offside should be taken as it is now but only against the scorer. All other players in the build up can have a lower bar of outside according to either of Wenger's or Wright's ideas. BUT the scorer, should be held to the current level of offside scrutiny.

He asked you a simple question Dermot, goes off on one. Just answer the question old man. If all of the ball has to be over the goal line to be a goal, then offside should be the same where if the attacker is ahead of the last defender, as long as a bit of him is still onside then they're onside

No. VAR was brought in solely to make sure that a team does NOT lose points that they do not deserve to lose. Simple. End of story. People who run football must be required to have a Bachelor's Degree in some subject. It's the only way to get ahead of this dross. VAR must be deployed in the spirit of fairness, not to massage the egos of referees. If it's left to the referee to decide when to use it, what happens if he decides not to call for it when he clearly needs to call for it. They have made these sort of mistakes in the past, what makes people think they won't make similar mistakes going forward. Every goal, penalty, sending off, MUST be reviewed. Referees must be SUPERVISED on the pitch. End of. There is a lot of bone-headedness from the likes of Arsene Wenger. I know he is intelligent and all that and that's probably where the problem is. He thinks he is the only one whose opinion matters.

@Ken-yy9us

28 күн бұрын

Yet you think your opinion does count!!

I think most football fans have been waiting a long time for this one. Hopefully, they take it onboard.

Base it on the feet position , not the rest of the body and have a tolerence very close calls the attacker gets the benefit

Out of all the rules that football has an issue with the offside is the least of the problems. We have seen with the semi-automated use in the CL that it is fast and accurate, there isn't an issue. VAR has made offside calls more accurate yet we have seen more goals in the PL this year so the idea that we need to change it to allow more goals doesn't make sense. If the technology is good enough, and with the evidence we have it seems it is, they why change it at all. Sure prior to VAR I could understand it but now its not required and surely the idea of "clear daylight" is even more subjective than what is there currently. Those pictures shown are such a simplified example, what about moving an inch one way or the other, is that offside? You still get the exact same scenarios we have now and we'd be measuring free space rather than the players bodies themselves. I actually think in time a change like this would result in less goals because of the tactical switch we'd see managers make. There would be an even greater risk of trying to hold a high line or pushing forward so teams would sit back more to limit the space in behind as the attacker would have a bigger advantage. Defenders would get deeper, it would become more difficult for teams to break down and lead to less goal. It would help the counter attack and theoretically if both defenders are deeper it would give more space in the midfield but thats it.

@stretfordender11

28 күн бұрын

Mourinho would be back winning champions leagues

Morning all, correct me if I'm wrong. Many a moon ago on occasions, I would run the line. If my memory serves me correctly. The Offside Law at that time, was there had to be daylight between Defender and Attacker. I found it so easy.

what's the point? the refs, linesmen and var will still find a way to stuff this up

this is a good idea. most offsides tend to have the body obscuring the defender and attacker. so only a few offsides would be given.

@kabelomaragelo2745

28 күн бұрын

Watch teams play more low blocks

@stretfordender11

28 күн бұрын

Teams will have to sit really deep

A Day light gab would be to big, just go off it by a foot length one foot has to be infront of the defender

It won't make a difference; there will be still decisions where someone is an inch ahead of whatever the new line is. Goals per game have been going up; it's not like the matches are boring because of loads of offside goals.

I like it. More goals please!

The new offside rule is insanity..... Arsenal fan here.

Hard disagree, youll still get a number called off for the slightest of margins, just the goalposts have changed slightly. Close to "Daylight" gives an advantage to the attacker, were talking a few feet potentially here which is a lot.

Yeah bring this rule in and wait for the, “but he was only 1mm away from being daylight or it was less than a mm of daylight or 99% of the bodies had daylight between them but the back of the players boot was overlapping by a mm

Ive always believed that offside should be judged by the standing foot

The whole of the ball has to be over the line for it to be a goal, so the whole of both feet should be ahead of the last player for it to be offside. Additionally VAR should be via a tablet, with the on field ref, who has 10 seconds to view and decide. This would transform the current bureaucratic soulless nightmare.

Love it!

I'm all for any change. What's killed me with a lot of these offsides calls is the part of the body they call for offsides. For instance, how are they calling offsides on an attackers hand or arm when they can't use that to score? I think Wenger's proposal is a bit much (not against it) but I dont think it will get approval. Wrights idea about planted feet is a lot more sensible.

Seems to me they should sort the handball rule before offsides.

I wonder what would happen if offside was totally taken away? - Would that create more or less space to play in? It would certainly be a huge game changer but for the better or for the worse?

The offside law and better ise of tech are two separate issues

Why is Wenger trying to ruin the game?!? This is not the first rule change that he's been responsible of that has made the rules harder to interpret. But this new offside rule is just ridiculous! It will force the teams to play more defensively. He can't say that there are being scored to few goals these days. There is no need for this rule change; it will still be a hard to determine if a player is offside or not. They are just moving the line of where to measure. And in lower tier football, it will be a farce when there is no VAR to check the lines.

Don't want *too* many goals though, do we? It devalues them. Look at basketball. And that's a sport that's only really interesting if the huge score tallies are close in the final quarter.

Surely the attacker will always just stick his arm out behind him so he overlaps with the defender

That's surprisingly sensible from Wenger. Offside was intended to stop attackers _gaining an unfair advantage_ not who had clipped their toenails that morning.

The obvious thing here is a back of defenders he’ll vs front foot of atta ker

Var should be if the ref get decision wrong var should help them get the right decision and over turn it but it’s the people using it is making the wrong decision not var anything will be better than the people using it

Talk about over complicating it 🙄 Why don't they just have competent man running VAR who actually follow the rules?

I’ve been saying for ages just make it the feet! Is his foot infront? Yes: offside; No: onside. Simple.

I think the change is to big. Currently, even though whats offside may amount to a week of toenail growth. Its definite. You can draw the line and see that its off, so no grey areas. The argument that there should be some leeway, or its so close it seems unfair is ridiculous. If a horse wins a race by half a nose you don't say they both won and split the prize. Wrights idea about draw if from the feet is better I think. You can guarantee all the attacking players will be salivating at this idea.

Great idea …. Like the ball has to be over the line … however we are just swapping one debate for another

Guys. Can you talk about Wolves putting up disabled season ticket prices by 200%. Least rise 17.5% for utter rubbish football?

The answer is to only look at 1 part of the body for offside. All offsides should be judged by the position of the feet only.

If you want to increase the entertainment factor get rid of draws and go straight to pens. No more parking the bus and the low block will quick go extinct.

That will be even more subjective than it is now. Nightmare

what about 4 linesmen, 2 on each half.

Here's the perfect solution Mr Wenger. Scrap VAR, and let referees and linesmen go back to actually making decisions, instead of relying on VAR to bail them out. Even then, VAR get it wrong. Sucking the joy out of celebrating a goal!

how can technology to help referees somehow put them at a disadvantage? is the goal of referees to fix matches and affect the result or something?

Arsene is mad. It will make no difference. You will argue about a millimetre. It will depend upon where cameras are

no offsides in the 8pm kick off

Offside - tip of one foot closest to the goal line.

Everyone will complain when it goes against them, I dont think you can change human nature.

So many things to fix in football but proposing new rules. There are dozens of issues to fix before this.

Wenger is correct. Defences sitting deeper is a non-argumment. Majority of teams already sit 11 men behind the ball 18 yrds from goal against the likes of City, Arsenal and Liverpool, so zero change there as there is already no daylight to be had! What it does mean is the 2mm toe offside in tight intricate spaces against these already low blocks is now eliminated, defenders will have to learn to defend again.

Unless it can be 100% determined by technology then it just makes it more confusing and will lead to more debate.

@user-pw6gm1tu6q

28 күн бұрын

no because there is daylight between them or there isnt simple

What are u talking about... Real madrid have been using the rules for years

Why is it that fan’s know better than the people in charge?

So basically we're going back offside as it used to be were the linesman flagged because he seen the attacker well and ahead of the defensive line .except a computer does it . Simples . Can't stand offside as it is by toenails or eyelash it's stupid! Wenger is basically saying go back in time but use the tech .to help .

@daleviker5884

28 күн бұрын

Wenger is basically saying that instead of having offside controversially decided by millimeters from a measuring line, let's have offsides controversially decided by millimeters from a different measuring line.

@SteTrax

27 күн бұрын

@@daleviker5884 It's probably going to be slightly more beneficial to attackers - which is how offside used to be. Don't see much wrong with that tbh as both teams have attackers, so any benefit/advantage applies equally to both teams. Momentum of the player/s and the exact point at which the freeze-frame was taken is a big problem with close-call offside decisions at present, therefore the 'daylight between players' rule should alleviate 'some' of the current problems, and hopefully result in quicker VAR decision making.

Players are more to blame for being caught offside than var. Learning to stay onside is a technique that can be improved with practice like most skills in football. Most of the problems in football are through players cheating and hoping they are not spotted. Cheaters prosper all the time in football.

What about night time matches though? 😀

This change would be a major error. Defenses have so much against them in the current rules. Offside is on of the few rules that balances that imbalance out.

@TPCDAZ

28 күн бұрын

Defenders have so much against them? Go tell that to the attacker who was called offside because he had a spot on his nose that day. What a stupid comment

@stretfordender11

28 күн бұрын

@@TPCDAZso the attacker is offside then isn’t he 😂 This would just mean teams sit really deep

Why are they trying to change the one rule that actually works? Yes it can seem 'picky' to mesaure it and a big toe is offside, but it's binary and accurate. They need to sort the helmets in VAR who won't overrule a terrible reffing decision.

He did not see it…

Is a "fraction of centimeters" of daylight between players going to be the next sticking point?

faster players with longer strides will have a huge advantage with this

@jeannotschumacher1024

28 күн бұрын

Good so

offside will allways be seperated by millimetes...wether daylight or not.... how can people not understand that? will be zooming in to a pixel, and deciding if that pixel is daylight or not. or if its his hand or nose or whatever. Leave it as it is, use automoated offside. If you use the new offside, it will remove high lines, high press, offside traps, and football will not be as exciting.

I like the proposal 👍

It's not rocket science, but there are so many idiots out there that it's almost become rocket science.

Should just be feet only, treat the attackers foot like a ball over the goal line, the whole foot needs to be clear of the defenders closest foot to goal. No fingers, armpits, testicles, strands of cucurellas hair.