Silver Plating in Brass Instrument Repair

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Worn silver plating can be easily repaired either by tank plating or by brush plating. This video demonstrates silver plating a trumpet by brush plating and silver plating a trombone mouthpiece by tank plating. Both examples are carried out by electroplating with a standard rectifier and silver electrolyte solution.
00:00 Intro and theory
01:10 Electroplating introduction
01:53 Tank plating demonstration
03:24 Brush plating demonstration
05:08 Outro

Пікірлер: 89

  • @jackx4311
    @jackx43112 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the very clear explanation - not just showing what each step involves, but also telling us why each one is needed. And the finished job is superb!

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @osmildmay
    @osmildmay Жыл бұрын

    Simple And Easy To Comprehend Thank You

  • @williambrown355
    @williambrown3553 жыл бұрын

    Excellent very clear explanation. Thank you so much

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @Cuprum46
    @Cuprum4611 ай бұрын

    Interesting. Thank you Timo

  • @Tribilante
    @Tribilante3 күн бұрын

    excellent

  • @aliashtiani8246
    @aliashtiani82462 жыл бұрын

    please upload more often, great channel.

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @JonathanMilam1
    @JonathanMilam13 жыл бұрын

    Great video, Timo. Very well done; thank you! :)

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Jonathan! I have also been enjoying your videos.

  • @martiensbekker
    @martiensbekker3 жыл бұрын

    Great video, thanks!

  • @pablomontagna2502
    @pablomontagna25022 жыл бұрын

    Excellent, thank you

  • @toddsayers3583
    @toddsayers35833 жыл бұрын

    I attempted to watch a few other videos before this one. Scant on details, this is an excellent overview of the process. Should I decide to attempt this, I expect that the voltage/amperage will depend on the products I'm using. Thanks for the concise, excellent video.

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank You! And that's right, you can get info on voltage/amperage from the liquids/equipment manufacturers.

  • @davewettlaufer7885
    @davewettlaufer78852 ай бұрын

    thank you for the video, I always wondered how that was done.👍

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @stevenadvensky1761
    @stevenadvensky1761 Жыл бұрын

    Nice work!

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @wisan28
    @wisan283 жыл бұрын

    Love your video

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @AMusicStoreOnMainSt
    @AMusicStoreOnMainSt Жыл бұрын

    I really appreciate your video. It explained a lot. I have a Silver Getzen Capri with a leaky third valve. It's a beautiful trumpet except for the leak. My next step is to find out the cost of plating one valve.

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad it helped!

  • @sneaks01
    @sneaks012 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating!!

  • @johnfricker3229
    @johnfricker32293 жыл бұрын

    Time - Well Done!

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks John!

  • @mikoajdurka2623
    @mikoajdurka26233 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for such a great video! I've got one question regarding brush plating. For how long you're brushing one spot to be sure that you've got enough thick layer of the plating?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! It depends on few variables like the size of the area and the layer thickness. For brass instruments I'd say the thickness would have to be at least 10 microns to have durability. There are calculators for this e.g. www.goldn.co.uk/brush-plating-calculator/

  • @isawproductions
    @isawproductions3 ай бұрын

    This video is very informative. Thanks for making this. What is in the acid dip? what chemicals or solution is in it? What chemical do you use for silver plating?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 ай бұрын

    Thanks! I have used chemicals from Gateros and Tifoo, but you can get similiar products from any company selling electroplating stuff. www.gaterosplating.co.uk/product-page/gp-jewellery-pickle-salts www.tifoo.de/en/silver-plating-solution-250-ml

  • @johnfricker3229
    @johnfricker32293 жыл бұрын

    Hello Timo - What voltage do you apply when you do the alkaline electro cleaning?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi John, I found quite different voltages in different instructions. I used 10 volts while some instructions said 6-8 volts. I haven't experimented what difference it makes.

  • @Lucia-kk4kn
    @Lucia-kk4kn3 жыл бұрын

    Good Job, nice and clean!!! just a question,: the silver electrolite uses a silver anode or a stainless steel one?? thanks in advance!

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Silver anode is used with silver electrolyte.

  • @vicentejacuinde9484
    @vicentejacuinde94842 жыл бұрын

    Great video!! Well done 👍 where can I get this tanks for silver or niquel plating? Thank you!

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! There are several places where you can buy the liquids and equipment. Just search for 'silver plating solution' from google. e.g. www.tifoo.de/en-uk/applications/metal/silver caswellplating.com/silver-brush-plating-solution-1-pint.html www.goldn.co.uk/how-to/silver-plating-copper/ www.riogrande.com/product/midas-silver-pen-plating-solution-non-cyanide/335167

  • @vicentejacuinde9484

    @vicentejacuinde9484

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@timyllym thank you so much and keep making more videos that are very helpful 🙏

  • @BobBeverage
    @BobBeverage2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. Doesn't the mouthpiece immersion-plate to some extent when you put it in the silver plating solution without the power on? That could reduce the adhesion of the electroplate.

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    I don't know, I'm not so specialised in electro-plating that I could say. But I haven't had any adhesion problems.

  • @pharmix7822
    @pharmix78223 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Mr. Timo, can we use this method to silver plate a bracelet that is made of stainless steel? One more question if you don't mind: can we repeat the process more than once to add up more silver layers.

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hello, you can silver plate stainless steel but it may not attach well. It would be better to first plate the stainless steel with nickel and then with silver. Nickel will attach well to stainless steel and silver over nickel. You can repeat the process to add more layers.

  • @pharmix7822

    @pharmix7822

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@timyllym that's impressing. thanks a lot for enlightening

  • @billr3654
    @billr365411 ай бұрын

    Great videos! When you do tank plating, how do you know how long to keep the item in the tank? Does so many minutes equal a certain amount of plating thickness? When you are brush plating, do you have to stop at certain design line on the trumpet? What I mean is, does the new plating blend in well with the old plating, or can tell tell where you plated and where you didn't? Thanks!

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    11 ай бұрын

    Thanks! There are calculators in web for counting the needed time, e.g. www.goldn.co.uk/brush-plating-calculator/ but for brush plating it is more difficult to count the time. Brush plating blends in quite nicely, it is more about how well you have made the buffing and cleaning, so how shiny the surface is, so you don't need to cut it to certain point. But edge may be still visible if you look carefully.

  • @hepburn118
    @hepburn118 Жыл бұрын

    Hi, could you do a video running through the chemicals you use? I'm interested to know what you use in the bath method and the electrode rubbing on method. Thanks.

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi, yes, that might be a good idea. You can get the chemicals e.g. from www.goldn.co.uk/ or www.tifoo.de/en-uk/en

  • @hepburn118

    @hepburn118

    Жыл бұрын

    @@timyllym Well, I would sure be interested in watching and I'll take a bet I'm not alone there!!

  • @hepburn118

    @hepburn118

    Жыл бұрын

    @@timyllym And thanks for the information.

  • @jwstaddo
    @jwstaddo3 жыл бұрын

    Are there particular silver plating solutions that are specifically "safe/non-toxic" for mouthpieces? Or are all of them safe?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think probably all plating solutions are toxic as such, but once the plating is done and surface is cleaned then there is only silver left, and that's safe.

  • @jyune1209
    @jyune12092 жыл бұрын

    I love your video! Thank you. What model rectifier are you using?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! I use basic Eventek Laboratory Power Supply 0-30V which I bought from Amazon.

  • @jyune1209

    @jyune1209

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@timyllym May I ask how you made the pen/wand?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @Tuca-Luthier.

    @Tuca-Luthier.

    10 ай бұрын

    @@timyllymGood afternoon, I have a source of this model of yours, its regulation for this bath by contact do you change the voltage and aperage or just the voltage?

  • @TheQuijote76
    @TheQuijote763 жыл бұрын

    Hi, I will be doing a mechanical overhaul to my Conn alto sax. I need to fix some worn hinge tubes. Do I have to silver plate the new hinge tube before cutting small pieces of it?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi, saxophone hinge tubes are made of steel, you don't need to silver plate them.

  • @TheQuijote76

    @TheQuijote76

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@timyllym Thanks for your response! I meant the hollowed tubing for each key.

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ok, I misunderstood, you were talking about tubes, not rods. I think you can silver plate the parts before of after cutting. Maybe it would be easier to silver plate the tube before cutting it smaller.

  • @Lucia-kk4kn

    @Lucia-kk4kn

    3 жыл бұрын

    I've learned a lot about silver plating in the last month or so! First do all the mechanical work, ( tube PERFECTLY straight and EXACT length),then you can silver plating and make slight adjustments

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's great!

  • @juliovelez4496
    @juliovelez44963 жыл бұрын

    superrrrrrrrrrrr

  • @scotta943
    @scotta9438 ай бұрын

    Will the plating fill in light pitting ? I am doing a gold trumpet making it silver

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    8 ай бұрын

    Plating won't fill pitting. You have to sand down the surface first to remove pitting. Also buffing and polishing must be done before plating.

  • @eriktan4755
    @eriktan47553 жыл бұрын

    hi, i'm from singapore and i would like to replate my whole Bb trumpet. would you be able to help?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi, best results would be with tank plating, but you'd need a really big tank of silver electrolyte, which will cost a lot. So I would recommend using brush plating, unless you can find some local company from your area which is doing silver plating. There are many places on internet that are selling silver plating supplies, I listed some of them earlier in this thread. Biggest job is to get that old surface shiny again. Silver plating won't make the surface shiny, it has to be shiny before you do silver plating.

  • @pop-tp5hf
    @pop-tp5hf2 жыл бұрын

    Hii sir i want to ask if this process make any affect on the tune of instrument !

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    No, the amount of the actual plating is so small that it doesn't affect the acoustical features of the horn.

  • @paulgrimm
    @paulgrimm Жыл бұрын

    Old horns were built better. I have a aGerman Acme Custom Trumpet built in 1953. It still looks new

  • @kevinngo9138
    @kevinngo91383 жыл бұрын

    does the silver plate generally last long?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    That depends on the thickness of silver layer and the amount of usage. Old instruments (say e.g. from 1950's) can have a layer of 50 microns while current instruments can have as little as 5 microns. There are exceptions of course.

  • @bluejack22002
    @bluejack220023 жыл бұрын

    Hi, I need more info to do it in my country. Where can I contact you ?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi, there are several places where you can buy these tools and liquids. Just search for 'silver plating solution' from google. e.g. www.tifoo.de/en-uk/applications/metal/silver caswellplating.com/silver-brush-plating-solution-1-pint.html www.goldn.co.uk/how-to/silver-plating-copper/ www.riogrande.com/product/midas-silver-pen-plating-solution-non-cyanide/335167

  • @wisan28
    @wisan283 жыл бұрын

    Where can i get of these equipment?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    3 жыл бұрын

    There are several places which are selling silver plating supplies. I bought most of my equipment and liquids from Tifoo (www.tifoo-plating.com). I made the plating brush myself, but Tifoo and other places also sell those. Note that it can be also called pen plating or wand plating but it is the same thing as brush plating.

  • @junreycoyoca9564
    @junreycoyoca9564 Жыл бұрын

    What is the solution you use for silver plating sir?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    Жыл бұрын

    www.tifoo.de/en-uk/silver-plating-solution

  • @raresboghean2974
    @raresboghean2974Ай бұрын

    Ho can you brass plate a silver ring ?

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    Ай бұрын

    Hi, you can't electroplate with brass because it's an alloy. You can only plate with pure metals.

  • @raresboghean2974

    @raresboghean2974

    Ай бұрын

    @@timyllym The Ai said that the electrolite solution need to be a half mix of cupper and zinc sulfate

  • @Hakan_Derin
    @Hakan_Derin2 жыл бұрын

    Hello thank you for the video. How did you teardown the valve case part of trumpet from pipes? Thank you.

  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! The tubes are soldered on to the valve casing so they need to be de-soldered with e.g. hand gas burner. You can do brush plating easily also without un-soldering anything.

  • @user-xn7ho4kj6b
    @user-xn7ho4kj6b2 жыл бұрын

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  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    Pardon me, I don't understand

  • @user-xn7ho4kj6b

    @user-xn7ho4kj6b

    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @user-xn7ho4kj6b

    @user-xn7ho4kj6b

    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @user-xn7ho4kj6b

    @user-xn7ho4kj6b

    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @timyllym

    @timyllym

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sorry, I don't completely understand, but if you are looking for plating solutions, there are several places where you can buy the liquids and equipment. Just search for 'silver plating solution' from google. e.g. www.tifoo.de/en-uk/applications/metal/silver caswellplating.com/silver-brush-plating-solution-1-pint.html www.goldn.co.uk/how-to/silver-plating-copper/ www.riogrande.com/product/midas-silver-pen-plating-solution-non-cyanide/335167

  • @user-xn7ho4kj6b
    @user-xn7ho4kj6b2 жыл бұрын

    رد عربي

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