these kinds of lectures have led me not to be a materialistic scientist...and realised that science really doesn't exclude agency or a supernatural one... terrific!

@MrDominex

10 ай бұрын

Science doesn't exclude leprechauns, either, but the universe can be explained without them, there is no evidence for them but there is evidence that people make them up, which is exactly the same for gods.

@chaotickreg7024

5 ай бұрын

Do you mean a material scientist? Or a natural scientist maybe? I wonder how you decide the world works if science doesn't work.

@truthgiver8286

2 ай бұрын

"science really doesn't exclude agency or a supernatural one" It does not include it either there is no testable evidence so science does not consider it at all

That process of the construction of objects in the cell was mind blowing, it is truly like a otherworldly technology.

@switzerlandful

9 жыл бұрын

Ya. Its like some god-like super-intellect was behind it. Although not absolutely perfect at the moment, it would still take a massive amount of knowledge and experience to get where biological life is. Another interesting thing is that DNA has measures built into it that catch most replication mistakes. Its like an error correction quality to the code. Besides the fact that almost all life forms are like self-healing, growing machines, they also have fairly good information protection built in. Its a whole new level of sophistication that makes NO sense if you look at life as atheistic or something that just happened to self-assemble.

@tyndaleisrael7822

9 жыл бұрын

YuGiOhDuelChannel and if you like that, you might find Genomic Entropy interesting: yt: John Sanford on Genomic Entropy Average cell in 15 yr old - up to 6,000 mutations per cell. (all your cells are different) Skin cell in 60 yr old - up to 40,000 mutations Mutations primary cause of aging and death. “...little potential for substantially increasing the upper limit of human life span.” (upper limit: 120 yrs) --Michael Lynch (Population Geneticist) 50% reduction in sperm count in men. Around 100 new mutations per generation. Geneticists: Dr. Crow: we are inferior to caveman. Dr. Knodrashov: no human geneticist doubts man is degenerating. Dr. Lynch Even assuming a lower mutation rate, we are degenerating at 1%-5% per generation. Implies a young Creation and as with DNA complexity, theory of evolution is unlikely. Dr. Francis Collins, head of Human Genome Project, converted to Christ partly due to the data.

@switzerlandful

9 жыл бұрын

Tyndale Israel Interesting...

@YuGiOhDuelChannel

9 жыл бұрын

Tyndale Israel pretty cool information

@nmarbletoe8210

9 жыл бұрын

1.618 Dave god made it self-assemble

Many of the comments below come from people who have not read Meyer's book Signature in the Cell. For me, even with two years of science and Genetics, it was a challenge. His focus in the book is not refuting evolution. It points to a huge gaping hole evolution does not answer: how did life start? Darwin's focus from the title of his well known book is The Origin of Species, not The Origin of Life. That is the gaping hole Meyer addresses. It is material and of note he started his quest as an atheist. It is also material and of note he did most of his research at a post doctoral level at Cambridge University. Not every PhD is let in to that university. He is no intellectual midget. He was very careful to leave God out of his thesis as he damn well knew critics like the mudslingers below would come out of the woodwork. His conclusion is not God- his conclusion is intelligence put the sequences together, not random chance. Make your own mind up on the intelligence! It is enough for a bolt of random lightning to produce life, but also get reproductive capacity exactly right at the same instance? You will have to wait again a billion times a billion years again to get the probability even a speck of chance of starting life again. The most simple cell that can be observed is extremely complex. He looks at probabilities and reason, not gimme that old time religion leap in the dark. We are expected to believe macro mutations somehow circumvent the laws of entropy? Whether chemistry, physics, or biology, no area of science can escape these orderly laws. Better question yet, is why are these laws themselves there, repeatable and orderly? Doesn't seem random to me. A monkey at a typewriter would never write Macbeth in a billion billion years, but he would also have to invent a photocopier at the same time.

@cecildison6788

5 жыл бұрын

Rolf Eliason well said but the naysayers will never read the book

@eckyhen

5 жыл бұрын

Well I have read Stephen's book. About 90% is good science and I must admit I learned a lot about the incredible complexity of cell machinery. However, ultimately it is just Paley's watch brought up to date. Simply claiming that science can not explain something therefore, the only alternative is "god did it" is not very satisfactory. Apart from the fact that it explains nothing, it does not consider the possibility that life could have come into existence by some other means that no one has thought about yet. Yes, he studiously avoids mentioning god but we are left to wonder what is this disembodied intelligence that made living organisms come into being by thinking them into existence. He offers no plausible mechanism by which this intelligence, which of necessity had to exist outside of space and time, produced matter and then interacted with it to create everything. His recurring argument is that the complexity of the DNA, RNA and protein mechanisms in the cell are too unlikely to have occurred by chance and since they are ALL mutually dependent a living cell could not appear by chance. The thing is, NO SCIENTIST involved in abiogenesis research is making this claim. Latest research has shown that nucleotides will form spontaneously in the primordial oceans and can become encapsulate in the hollow bilipid spheres which were also present, in effect a primitive cell like structure. So we do not need a complicated cell for "life"to begin. All that is required is a simple, self replicating molecule to appear in the primitive ocean. If variations in the copying occur then we also have two of the ingredients for evolution to occur, reproduction and variation. The third factor is of course, selection. Since these simple self replicators must absorb chemicals from their environment, a simple form of nutrition, then it follows that some may be better at it than others. The last piece of the jig-saw is now in place, selection. Inevitably, these non-living self replicators will become more and more complex. Evolution is happening, it only takes time and nature certainly had enough of that, about 4 billion years.

@eckyhen

5 жыл бұрын

@@ExtantFrodo2 ,NO one has paid me yet. Where do I apply?

@eckyhen

5 жыл бұрын

@Kuffar Legion None of my own, just reporting what others, much smarter than myself have done. Nor do I remember sending you a link but here's one to the Szostak lab. They have done a lot of ground-breaking research on abiogenesis, confounding the creationist assertion that "scientists are no nearer showing how life can originate from non-living matter": molbio.mgh.harvard.edu/szostakweb/

@lrvogt1257

5 жыл бұрын

OMG!!! Evolution and natural selection do not attempt to explain how life began. It's not a hole. It's another subject.

*One of the great mysteries of life, to me at least, is how can so many otherwise intelligent people so completely buy into the incredible notion that unguided anomalies in reproduction are capable of building the intricate and robust cellular machines, functions, and interlocking systems operating by the thousands in organic cells.*

@IsaacNussbaum

6 жыл бұрын

Natural selection does not enter the picture until and unless mutations build something. The question then is, is there anything in the human experience that suggest accidents can engineer and build factories? (After all, that is what cells are, nano-factories.)

@god9513

5 жыл бұрын

Isaac Nussbaum Your stupidity is truly astonishing ... .... Well done ... yet again... Anything else ... ??

@IsaacNussbaum

5 жыл бұрын

You read that popular self-help book, didn't you, god. You know the one. _"If You Can't Attack a Man's Ideas, Then Attack the Man."_ You sly devil, you!

@god9513

5 жыл бұрын

Isaac Nussbaum Your stupidity is truly astonishing ... .... Well done ... yet again... Anything else ... ??

@IsaacNussbaum

5 жыл бұрын

_Hurry, Hurry. Step right up folks. Just 10¢. One tenth of a dollar. See god, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, a freak of nature. He’s a living, breathing infinity loop. His programming lacks a functional exit so he repeats himself indefinitely._

To me one of the greatest verses spoken in scripture is after Moses asked God, " Who shall i say sent me"' God could have declared His glory in infinite ways, but YAHWEH God simply said, " I AM THAT I AM, TELL THEM, I AM SENT YOU"'. Fully declaring His self sustaining eternal existence.

@MrDominex

7 жыл бұрын

Saying "I AM" doesn't tell us anything about the nature of the god who supposedly said it in the scientific sense. Science answers much more practical questions like how species develop and what the relationship between matter, energy , time and space are.

@charlesoneal3094

5 жыл бұрын

@Kuffar Legion that's funny.

@charlesoneal3094

5 жыл бұрын

@Winston Grettum the only thing He can't do... is contradict His word. Glad you pointed that out... many miss this point!

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

@Msg of Yitzhak Kaduri Scientists are the first to admit that they've barely scratched the surface of reality, but religions like yours never even did that-- all religion ever did was spin fanciful tales. Science has made real discoveries that explain real phenomena and changed human life for the better. Religion never even realized that earth is a planet or where the sun goes at night. Science has a long, exciting future of new discoveries before it, but your religion has nothing to look forward to but its own imaginary "End Times."

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

@Msg of Yitzhak Kaduri It has become a tenet of the born again religion to deny that it is a religion. You all say that like trained parrots, which is typical of dogmatic religious cults. It is people like you who gave "religion" a bad name in the first place, and has created your desire to escape the label. You epitomize the worst tendencies of religion to withdraw into an insulated subcultue with its own skewed terminology. I know it makes you feel good and I'm not trying to talk you out of worshipping as you please, but Born Againsim is turning Americans off to Christianity in droves.

I appreciate very much how Dr. Stephen Meyer presents his arguments for intelligent design. I see in his videos his treatment of proponents of biological evolution with dignity and respect. I see there is no labeling or name calling or attacking the character of those who are proponents of Darwinian and modern evolutionary explanations of biology. He does not try to imply that those who subscribe to organic evolution are lacking intellect.. Does not use tactics that unfortunately I see so many of his harsh critics use to the chagrin of their fellow evolutionists. I am impressed and because of that, I am very willing to look at more videos of his lectures and to view them repeatedly.. I have for many years looked very closely at evolution and added much information to my library and I have to say that Stephen Meyer's book is going to also be included in my library. Stephen Meyer you have my deepest respect. .

@nmarbletoe8210

9 жыл бұрын

honestquestions agree, and his chemistry is impeccable. he does employ assumptions that may or may not be true, and this results in real debate over the conclusion that abiogenesis is statistically impossible.

@ProfezorSnayp

7 жыл бұрын

Sorry my comment is a year late but I just stumbled upon this channel. If you like this video I recommend seminaries of dr Kent Hovind (you can find them on his YT channel). He's been presenting evidence against evolution for many years now and after a long hiatus of inactivity made a new series of great videos. His arguments are airtight, his logic simple and his faith unshakable. If you're interested I could also recommend some other, less known KZread experts and self-taught scientists.

@monicahale887

7 жыл бұрын

honestquestions atheist make me a tongue,a nose , a ear a eye a foot , a hand, they don't even have to work we will be amazed, but don't make me laugh,

@martinlag1

7 жыл бұрын

Profezor Snayp His arguments are airtight, his logic simple and his faith unshakable. His logic is way to simplistic and entirely unscientific. Meyer accepts common descent because the science supports this view well. Hovind says "were you there? God was. He wrote it in the Bible" One of my few criticisms of Meyer is that he is way too tolerant of YEC religion. It is tempting to suppose they are customers of his books. Maybe he doesn't want to rattle their cages because at least they are 'saved' Neither reason, if accurate is a scientific reason to turn a blind eye to such ignorance.

@incomemobile8566

6 жыл бұрын

He didn't say it but I most certainly will. Knowing what we now know regarding DNA, probability, consciousness etc .. continukng to buy into and supporting Darwinian Evolution is a evidence of a severe mental disorder requiring either immediate triple by pass brain transplant ... or the wood chipper.

Note: Saying that Meyer needs to read more books or attend a biology class does not refute the arguments he presented in this video.

@MrDominex

3 жыл бұрын

It is you who needs to read some science, not Meyer. Meyer's arguments are sophistry, not science, he argues like a lawyer or politician, not like a scientist who is genuinely curious about how things actually work.

@TyrellWellickEcorp

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex Not one scientist has ever throughly refuted any of Meyers arguments and neither can you so stfu

@TyrellWellickEcorp

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex He’s an honest scientist who follows the evidence where it leads. Unlike Richard Dawkins

@MrDominex

3 жыл бұрын

@@TyrellWellickEcorp Stephen Meyer is not a scientist, he's not recognized as such by any scientific institition anywhere-- he's just a gadfly with a following among anti-intellectual religious conservatives. Richard Dawkins is squarely in the scientific mainstream, nothing he says about evolution is out of the ordinary in biology.

@MrDominex

3 жыл бұрын

@@TyrellWellickEcorp Everything in Meyers's book was immediately refuted as soon as it came out-- it has never influenced science. It is only taken seriously by anti-science religious extremists.

I was still taught in public school in the late 70's and early 80's that the cell was a very simple form of life.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

Single celled organisms are a relatively simple form of life. Creationists are merely screeching from the rooftops that microbes are "complex" to put over their claim that it is proof that only their particular god could have made them..

@user-lo9si5dx8t

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex You're in for a Nobel Prize, without a doubt. MrDorminex When was the last time you actually read something of substance, aside the comments on social media? To tell you the truth, I am not sure whether to laugh or to cry at your silly statement.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-lo9si5dx8t I read scientific articles every day. I also read Creationism articles, even though they have come up with no new ideas since the 1980s and all their arguments are like the stuff you hear on Fox News and AM hate radio, aimed at uneducated dogmatists struggling with their own ideological hang ups. That has nothing to do with science.

@alwaysflat7996

4 жыл бұрын

Kindly

@user-lo9si5dx8t

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex ​ @MrDominex You first need to understand one fundamental thing, science is not the truth it is merely an idea and an attempt to try and explain some observable phenomenon, it's not written in stones. Science does not belong to a particular group, science does not care of your worldview, to be scientifically minded you should go where the evidence takes you not the pseudoscientific leads you. I do not watch Fox News and I do not listen to any radio. Now when you says "Creationists" what do you mean by that? You have two worldviews atheistic worldview and a theistic worldview all theists believe in the creation explanation, this dismissive tactic by using buzz words like " Creationist, Conspiracy theorist" don't work, by attempting to poison the well will not work my friend. *(I am not saying you did, but many use this rhetoric)* If I am not an atheist that means I am a Creationist using rationality and deductive reasoning. Atheism does not have any answers whatsoever, atheism fails on many fronts, I know I've been there, and spent most of my life looking into every aspect of life through the atheistic lens, always a dead-end. Trust me it leads nowhere but nihilism and in severe cases depression. To be honest I don't know which arguments you're referring to, perhaps if you give a couple examples of "their" arguments then we can go through them together and see what are these people spreading.

Thank God we have philosophers to take scientific discoveries and knowing what to do with said discoveries. Leave it to the egg heads in lab coats and all you get is political opinion, world view, guise as pure science. Great job Dr Meyer!!

@possumverde

10 жыл бұрын

That comment is literally painfully ignorant...You really should include a warning at the beginning so that poor unsuspecting folk whose heads aren't safely up their asses can avoid the trauma of reading it...

@possumverde

9 жыл бұрын

Jan Aike lol

@dirtyred579

8 жыл бұрын

think this comment is a joke...right?

@dirtyred579

8 жыл бұрын

He's obviously joking.

@wwatkin21

6 жыл бұрын

A sense sarcasm.

I have almost made it through my Signature in the Cell book and not only has Stephen Meyer completely destroyed the materialist/"Blind Watchmaker"/Darwinistic approach to life, but he has also given the public the opportunity to examine the contradictory and ill fated foundation that our modern scientific community is built on. Say what you want about creationist and their biblical ideals about the origin of life, but also take a real hard look at what academia has proposed as the alternative. It simply falls apart at the mere examination of its principles and cancels out any logical explanation for the information that makes any of their hypothesis possible. If theories do not succeed in explaining the origins of species, which in the case of Darwinian evolution and the many variations of theories that followed, what is that point of proceeding in that direction? It has less to do with being a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu and more to do with the reexamination of logic and an honest unbiased scientific examination of the evidence. There is so much more to our lives and existence then a random roll of the dice and until people realize this they will continue to follow a false dogma that inherently tells them they are nothing but the product of a mindless system that does not give a damn about them. I see no merit in this.

@Vega3rd

9 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately your only response is clearly a self serving and totally bias approach that sadly I expect from most deeply entrenched intellectuals. Sure, completely ignore the relevance of my argument, assume that I am uneducated, inform me that ID has gained no traction in what you call the "scientific community" and on top of that try and stump me with your flaccid question about what I've read. For you information I have read On the Origins of Species, The God Delusion, Why Evolution is True and yes every sorry excuse for a biology book since I was in grade school. So please, don't think that because the established scientific community believes that it has a monopoly on knowledge that it actually means something. If you piss on my head and call it rain, its still piss my good man. What's great about this debate is that instead of attacking the theory of ID, most critics end up trying to attack the merits of its proponents and not the hard fact that the theory of Darwinism is flawed in so many ways, mainly in explaining the origin of genetic information. I can read every pro evolution piece of literature until I kick the bucket but in doing so I will not be answering any meaningful questions that I have about our origins. I have complete respect for individuals who seek the truth and frankly complete distain towards individuals who use a groupthink mentality to argue for intellectual superiority. Until I come across an actual mechanism that can produce something out of nothing, which is essentially the Darwinian mechanism, I will proudly consider myself an ID'er. Abiogenesis, The Miller-Urey experiment, Alexander Oparin's Marxist influenced theory of chemical evolution have all in my humble opinion failed in answering anything about the origin of our specified genetic engineering. This is not from a previously established "religious" outlook on my part but from an opened minded and genuinely curious approach to the facts at hand. Good science should be about the truth and it should be open to multiple competing hypothesis. Not, "well we all say its true so it is!". That's not scientific, that's dogmatic.

@Vega3rd

9 жыл бұрын

mcmanustony You have once again, shown that you have no relevant alternative to the the source of genetic information. You have also clearly not taken a good look at what Stephen Meyers has brought to light in in his works. My biggest bone to pick with critics like you is that you refuse to address the real issue at hand. Mainly, where did the genetic information that dictates every form of life on earth come from. Go ahead, correct my grammar and continue to try and belittle me. It just shows me that you really don't want to have a serious debate about this issue. Let me put it this way. Does random mutation and natural select explain the specified information in our genome? Has any materialistic hypothesis been promoted that can explain this enigma? No. As I have stated before, Darwin's theory of Natural Selection and random mutation can explain changes in the outward appearance of a species(modification by decent) but it can not explain where and how the organism came to be in the first place. Darwin himself had a hypothesis that stated, "But if (and oh! What a big if!) We could conceive in some warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, light, heat, electricity etc., present that a protein compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes". Now how is this not Abiogenesis A.K.A nonliving to living? And how much different is it then the theory that is still promoted by the Neo Darwinian mechanism? If you base all your evidence on fossils and morphology then you are still missing the big picture! The information needed to direct the whole process of life itself! Also don't attempt to assassinate Stephen Meyers character and pull that right wing religious card, its so frivolous. Yes he is a Christian and yes he believes in God, but he is also extremely well educated and has produced some of the best evidence for his case of Intelligent Design that has ever come to light. The truth is there will never be a consensus on this issue. It will always end up being about what side of the facts you are on. I'll have to agree to disagree with you on this one. Good back and forth though!

@stephenland9361

9 жыл бұрын

David Vega *"Let me put it this way. Does random mutation and natural select explain the specified information in our genome? Has any materialistic hypothesis been promoted that can explain this enigma? No. As I have stated before, Darwin's theory of Natural Selection and random mutation can explain changes in the outward appearance of a species(modification by decent) but it can not explain where and how the organism came to be in the first place."* ************************ ID has invented some terms that have no meaning in science. "Specified complexity", "irreducible complexity" and "specified information" are among them. William Dembski is big on his version of information theory and how it "proves" evolution to be "mathematically impossible" (or merely highly, highly improbable ... I'm not sure what the guy actually means). At least he has the balls to come out and state that ID is rebranded religion, especially his own contribution to ID. _"Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory."_ - William Dembski touchstonemag.com/archives/issue.php?id=49 The theory of evolution certainly does explain changes in DNA. (I'm referring to modern science, not what was held 150 years ago.) It certainly does explain the human genome and that of our living evolutionary cousins (the other primates). What science doesn't have to do is answer questions about "the specified information in our genome" because in science, that phrase is meaningless. Just what exactly, does it mean? If it's got anything to do with the Logos theology of John's gospel, it is outside of science. The theory of evolution does account for how species arise. While science today has yet to explain how life got going in the first place, how that life diversified is what the theory of evolution is all about. Similarly, science has yet to explain how RNA and DNA got going but how it has changed is well explained by evolution. That's what evolution is...change in DNA and RNA. Biology has known for some time that random mutation and non-random natural selection are not the only mechanisms underlying evolution. As for the where of a species origin, all we have to go on is the (incomplete) fossil record. That said, if the fossils of any particular species are found only in Australia (for example), it's reasonable to say that's where the species originated. Just remember that what is now Australia wasn't always where it is right now.

@andresmith7105

9 жыл бұрын

"I see no merit in this." The universe does not care what you think about your origins.

@2Barry5

9 жыл бұрын

Stephen Land The theory "certainly does explain"....."does account"......etc. If it truly did such a great job of dealing with these questions, there would be no controversy. However, many think this is no more than a pipe dream. Evolution is sound only to those who have a preconceived bias and are afraid to see reality.....it is bankrupt.

Loved this presentation... but you know what is so refreshing?? That every comment I have read has used correct grammar. Wish it was like the flu and could be caught!! Thank You, Lord, for the battle that this man has put his heart toward... he is a Kingdom asset!

@jae1297

4 жыл бұрын

Amen, on the correct grammar! :)

@joelhinrichs979

3 жыл бұрын

If only he knew what he was talking about. GOD's Universe has subtle capabilities the Meyer disputes. His thesis is a joke, lovable only to those who want a cab ride to a preferred destination.

@IsaacNussbaum

3 жыл бұрын

​@@joelhinrichs979 You concentrate on sarcasm, Joel, and Meyer concentrates on science. The winner here is Meyer. He advances to the next round. You go home.

@joelhinrichs979

3 жыл бұрын

@@IsaacNussbaum Sarcasm is presenting reality in a negative manner. Meyer doesn't present reality at all, and among scientists he is an embarrassment.

@IsaacNussbaum

3 жыл бұрын

@@joelhinrichs979 *"...among scientists he is an embarrassment."* You act as though "scientists" were a monolith, Joel. They aren't. But if you had written, _"...among SOME scientists...."_ I would have agreed with you.

Stephen, I love your work! What you do, as well as Bryan Enderly and other scientifics, is so important to debunk false science and atheist world views. May our Lord bless you🙏

@DrunkenHotei

2 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony But ignorance makes them feel so much safer and more right about things. If you never leave your bubble, everyone will tell you how right you are. It's so safe and easy! Who needs that confrontation of studying and the effort of critical thinking that might make me just feel dumb for being wrong when I can find people who tell me I'm right and ignore everything else? It's not like I care about the actual TRUTH, after all :v

I couldn’t agree more with Meyer on practically everything he said .. I came to the same conclusion many years ago, explaining the origin of physical entity from a physical perspective never made sense to me, all physical elements in the universe no matter what they are are limited in time and could not have been emanated or created on their own without an outside force that puts everything in structure order and balance.. and that can be only one thing ,a conscious mind. Before coming up with a particular shape of a new car it starts in the creative mind.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

Intelligence is a physical phenomenon that exists only through biology, it requires a material nervous system to happen at all, it doesn't exist in disembodied form like a ghost. Consciousness, a sense of self, will, desire purpose, planning and goal oriented intentions are characteristics of organisms like us-- and we invent gods in our own image to project our own motives onto natural phenomena.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

Who created God? If God needs no creator then why does anything else need one? God is merely a convenient exception to your premise that everything needs a creator.

@MoMoMyPup10

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex In reality, it seems to me that intelligence is the *byproduct* of information, and information is not a physical phenomena, but rather something that is stored *within* a physical phenomena - cells, molecules, atoms. And all of the 'natural phenomena' studied is ALL a byproduct of intelligent design. We have no other explanation for everything that exists but "design". We know of no physical thing that appeared by itself, on it's own strength or purpose. It's really hard to write that off as 'so what'. We have "B" because of "A", every time. Rationally, it doesn't make sense. That is part of the evidence of deduction and reasoning. We're all just trying to reason through this phenomena -- 'how in the world did the world and everything it, get here?'. As the speaker suggests - the *best* explanation from the evidence is Design thru Intelligence. Rationalizing that 'since God doesn't need a creator then why does everything else', doesn't cut it.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

@@MoMoMyPup10 We know how intelligence works, it is a biological function, it doesn't exist in disembodied form like a ghost, it is dependent on the workings of nervous tissues like brains and can't happen without them. This isn't even debatable unless you are just dead set on clinging to pre-scientific superstitions. Information happems when intelligent animals like us observe phenomena and commumicate our understanding of it in symbolic form to each other. No one has to consciously understand what DNA "means" for it to do what it does.

@MoMoMyPup10

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex Yes, we know how it works, but we don't know how it started/initiated. Intelligence comes from something, it can't initiate itself into existence. Random mutation is a failed argument. It is science that has actually proven that this is so. Maybe take a look at this and see what I'm referring to: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6yc19qgY7q4lso.html

I have read Signature in the Cell by Stephen C. Meyer when it first came out. I love science, and I loved the information found in this book.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

If you love the misinformation in Signature in the Cell you don't love science.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

@Dan Delgado We have a special committee here at KZread that removes comments deemed to be inappropriate. We also keep a record of the IP addresses of repeat offenders and there are certain measures we can take with regard to their online activities if necessary. We also work closely with federal law enforcement and can provide them with your browsing history which can be made public at any time. We here at KZread value free speech, but only as long as it conforms to the guidelines that you yourself agreed to when you registered with us.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

@Kuffar Legion No, i was just pulling that guy's leg because he thought someone "in authority" was deleting posts. Posts seem to come and go on this forum for mysterious reasons but I don't think anyone is being censored.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

@Kuffar Legion Do you also post as Dan Delgado? Because that who I was replying to when i kidded him about posts being deleted. KZread has a screwy system, but no one is censoring anybody unless you threaten or harass and even then you have to get multiple complaints that are valid.

@anthonyjames5474

4 жыл бұрын

MrDominex Like the admittedly fake embryo drawings taught to hs students? Lying filth.

Excelent bro May the Lord Jesus bless you and yours

@oscarrivera8660

9 жыл бұрын

It is

@Krillian777

9 жыл бұрын

mcmanustony ...would love to hear your scientific arguments regarding Meyer's findings. I've heard VERY few arguments that refute his research and the questions he's raised against how random, undirected causes can explain the biological information needed to create, assemble, and direct even the most basic building blocks of life (DNA, RNA, protein sequencing, etc.). It turns out that all of these basic building blocks have turned out to be infinitely more complex than scientists could ever have imagined. The complexity and the interactions necessary for assemblage and function require meticulous organization and instruction. How? Where does that information come from?

@DrunkenHotei

9 жыл бұрын

Sean Davis Define cellular "information" and I will tell you where it comes from.

Years ago, I concluded that God is a Benign Super Intelligence. That conclusion underpins my worldview and serves it well.

@jarrygarry5316

3 жыл бұрын

Even if religions are wrong,trust me God exists.

@tituslivius2084

3 жыл бұрын

Despite the fact it’s unfounded??

@MaoMavo

3 жыл бұрын

It's not unfounded, the beginning of the universe implies the supernatural, the godly realm.

@mooooo1974

2 жыл бұрын

There was a time when Einstein divided everything by zero, it wasn't satisfactory. Dividing everything means everything comes from nothing. It still isn't satisfactory. Math couldn't state everything came from nothing, so where did everything come from?

@howtodoit4204

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarrygarry5316 Islamic god is the true god, because his names are actually his attributes, like the creator, the designer, the evolver, the giver of shape, the holy, the king etc. Islamic god is not an Arab god but the creator himself. I hope you read Quran brother

Stephen Meyer is doing a great job in educating people as to the truths of our reality.

@michaelwill7811

5 жыл бұрын

@Folk Aart I love folks who watch an entire video, comprehend everything being said and then deny everything in the video.

@logicalatheist1065

10 ай бұрын

He's not doing a very good job... Id is still pseudoscience

Ignoring probable evidence because of possible implication is the Gap of the Atheist.

@seamus9305

7 жыл бұрын

Steven Meyer is not saying because it is complex it is evidence of a designer. He is saying the only known cause for complex sequential information is intelligence. If SETI received signals revealing code for the first 20 prime numbers they would accept it as proof of intelligence. Another way of looking at it is, can materialism be capable of managing complex information? If there is any material non-living system capable of managing complex sequential specified information then lets hear an example.

@seamus9305

7 жыл бұрын

Wassily, the Fibonacci Sequence is simply a spiral. 20 prime numbers don't have such a simple structure. I agree about pattern recognition, but in the case of DNA a complex sequence is stored, transferred to machinery (proteins), self corrected where there are coping mistakes, start at start commands and stop at stop commands. Machinery builds from the sequence information. If amino acids are out of place the machinery can't fold into working machinery. You may need the first sentence of Genesis many of us are quite satisfied with a recipe for life. People so often try to underrate the informational complexity that it would take to even begin this process (self replicating information). I need a better example, than a spiral sequence, of matter organising information on the scale of DNA.

@seamus9305

7 жыл бұрын

Perhaps Einstein put it best Wassily.. "Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations."

@harrrgh944

7 жыл бұрын

It's too easy to put your hands over your eyes and shout "Where are you? Show yourself!" LOL.

@harrrgh944

7 жыл бұрын

No reason for a deity, or no reason for a Deity?...

I admire Stephen Meyer's work, because he's honest in when it comes to sharing of his discoveries no matter what comes out of the discoveries.

@MLeoM

4 жыл бұрын

@Dirk Knight I didn't mean discoveries in science, but the probable explanations...

@MLeoM

4 жыл бұрын

@Dirk Knight lol, 😆 that's harsh...

@MLeoM

4 жыл бұрын

@Dirk Knight well I don't think I agree with the last statement....

@MLeoM

4 жыл бұрын

@Dirk Knight I don't think He is a Christian who just does science and only few facts he accepts. I'd rather say, people find it better as an explanation that God created everything when they look into science regardless of beliefs. Many would say that science points and pointed them to God and before that, they never believed much in God...

@DrunkenHotei

2 жыл бұрын

@@MLeoM Don't give him so much credit. Meyer has never done a lick of science at all. Ever.

Thank you Dr. Meyer for this fresh and truthful look at the origins of life! You have been given the gift of the Almighty to not only understand the ultimate truths, but also explain them well! The only thing I would add to hopefully help you is when you talk about the evolutionists use of the "laws" of nature. If you claim no design or intelligence, then you start with a blank slate. Where did these assumed "laws" come from? What intelligence set up the fact that selection in nature even "should" happen? Why do protein molecules form the shapes that they do and where did the attraction of electro-magnetism come from?

Incredible presentation ... very enlightening ... well done!

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen aronra's video "Prager U supports Intelligent Deception"?

@DrunkenHotei

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesginty6684 But that might contradict what he wants to believe! He's not brave enough for that.

Why hasn't Dawkins tracked down and spoken with Stephen Meyer. He seems to just track down the unintelligent or weak theists since it is easier to look good against them.

@huckster699

9 жыл бұрын

He doesn't argue with creationists for the same reason you wouldn't argue with a person who thought the earth was flat. Also Stephen Meyer does not have a degree in biology or zoology or anything related to evolution.

@vicachcoup

9 жыл бұрын

huckster699 Oh yes he does. He has an entire program on exactly that. He enjoys belittling those that are intellectually easy to embarass. Creationist or not. And he loves weak theists without any sciene degrees at all. This is the real reason why Dakwins will not debate him: - - - - - Meyer graduated with a B.S. degree in physics and earth science in 1981 from the Christian Whitworth College[4] and worked as a geophysicist for the Atlantic Richfield Company.[5] Shortly after, Meyer won a scholarship from the Rotary Club of Dallas to study at Cambridge University in the United Kingdom. Meyer earned his Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science in 1991 at the University of Cambridge.[6] His dissertation was entitled "Of clues and causes: A methodological interpretation of origin of life studies."[6] After gaining his Ph.D., Meyer taught philosophy at Whitworth,[7] then at the Christian Palm Beach Atlantic University.

@vicachcoup

9 жыл бұрын

mcmanustony Yes unlike the unbiased truths of Dawkins. You a member of the fan club? A groupie?

@huckster699

9 жыл бұрын

vicachcoup I'm actually not that big of a fan of Dawkins. But he won't debate because it would be like debating a flat earther. How does your creation story explain these large craters all over the earth from comets that would have wiped out human life if it existed? How can we see stars from billions of light years away if the universe is young? And with those 2 things alone with many others. The debate is over before it begins.

@vicachcoup

9 жыл бұрын

huckster699 Nonsense. He debated Deepak Chopra for Gds sake! You are just disnhonest. Like Dawkins.

I love the way he explains all this for me the layperson. I can’t imagine that Richard Dawkins or any of the neo Darwinists would think they need to bother. There always has to be a defensive explanation from Stephen. Why is it I wonder that the other scientists are not just considering his scientific explanations rather than arguing with his methodology. I see Stephen as an engineer of highest quality. Maybe that’s why they don’t get it. I am so glad he keeps going with so much energy. I so admire him.

Though i am a Muslim i have a huge respect for Stephen Meyer for building a case for Intelligent design

Please can I see this guy tear Richard Dawkins a new one, this was phenomenal!

@possumverde

10 жыл бұрын

You really don't want to see that happen...Meyer is good at making his arguments sound intelligent to people with little to no understanding of the relevant subjects but against anyone with a basic understanding or better his points (those that aren't simply straw man arguments that is) are at best laughable...Someone like Dawkins would eat him for breakfast in an actual scientific debate... Really though it's a moot point as Meyer has too successful of a business going with the creationist lecture circuit, writing books that tell said creationists what they want to hear etc to risk anything beyond pointless philosophical debates (where charisma and clever misdirection often count as much if not more than a well supported argument when it comes to deciding a "winner.")

@Roachehh

10 жыл бұрын

I fail to see what is illogical about Meyers points. I'm astounded that evolution can masquerade as science when it's mostly guess work? Misinterpretations of the fossil record and the presupposition that mutations can even increase functionality of a system, much less create it in the first place. I don't think we will ever get conclusive proof for either way until armageddon actually comes. And by then.. well this debate will be insignificant to the other problems mankind will be facing (prior to the actual dismantling of this system)

@ChandraShaker108

10 жыл бұрын

possumverde Thats why Dawkings has refused several times to debate with him then?

@possumverde

10 жыл бұрын

***** It's a "lose" / "lose" proposition for Dawkins (and Meyer knows this which is his true reason for requesting the debate...) If Dawkins does the proper thing and ignores the request, then jokes like you can imply he's "afraid" yet if he accepts and subsequently demolishes Meyer (which, don't kid yourself, would be the outcome...) he still makes it appear as if Meyer's bunk was legitimate enough to warrant the debate in the first place (when it most certainly isn't.) The only choice an honest person has in a situation like that is to risk having fools think he's "chicken" in order to avoid playing into a con man's scheme to get some free, completely undue "credibility" for his con... I'll give Meyer one thing...he is smart...sadly though he chooses to use his intelligence for underhanded purposes and schemes...and thus is simply another in a long line of well educated con men...

@ChandraShaker108

9 жыл бұрын

possumverde Yes its a lose lose as he will quickly be exposed as the foolish paid dogmatic shill he is....And Dr Shekdrake? He refused not only Dr Meyer he also refused to look at "Solid Evidence" funded by Cambridge University!! in fact anyone (DOGMA DAWKINS) knows will expose him he swiftly avoids.If Dawkins is the proper thing he should do the noble thing and debate thus putting to rest ID forever....is your brain working ok? Actually the more you comment the more i'm starting to think there maybe a case for evolution we may just have found the missing link!! :) Lol

Interesting and insightful presentation by an intelligent creation of God 🙏🏽✝️

@robbliss9149

2 жыл бұрын

The leap from intelligent design to “god is the intelligent designer” does not follow from the evidence at hand. The source of the intelligence the evidence suggests is at work (or was at work way back when life started) is a problem exogenous to the argument for intelligent design.

@bobrobertson9547

2 жыл бұрын

@ SpirtialmFitness: How do you know it was God?

@ziad3650

Жыл бұрын

@@bobrobertson9547 God, by definition is the all knowing, all powerful, first cause, and the creator of everything. When looking at such complexity in the cell that cannot be simplified, it's quite obvious to conclude a creator that intentionally created these things, and put them together in that sophisticated manner. Even Richard Dawkins himself said it's highly likely, that we have been created by aliens because the cell shows some sort of design. The irony on how he attacks the belief of God, but has no issue with the idea of aliens creating us.

@jounisuninen

Жыл бұрын

​@@bobrobertson9547 Atheists are funny 😀 They hate calling the intelligent designer God, as if names were objectively essential in this subject. This tells of the deeply religious nature of atheism. From the scientific point of view the evolution theory in nothing more than an atheistic creed.

@bobrobertson9547

Жыл бұрын

@@jounisuninen interesting articulation, but kind of pointless, a bit like the idea of god. I happen to hedge my bets on life happening under specific circumstances with no guidance at all, as hypothesised by Conways genetic laws. And my rationale for this is that no designer could stand back from his/her design and not tweak it here and there and guess what, there is no evidence for an interventionist god. In fact, you could argue the we play out Conway’s laws everyday by how much war, pain and suffering we inflict on each other and everything else on this planet. Seems pretty simple to me and until we civilise that split consciousness, we’ll get nowhere as a species. In fact we are on a path of self destruction and no, so called god, is going to save us.

I admire Mr. Meyer for his "out of the box" thinking. He makes many points where science has failed to explain many things about the origins of life, and it takes such thinking to get scientists to consider other causes for the phenomena that we see. Science does not have all the answers. We know that to be a fact. There will be many things that science will never be able to explain, especially where the answers lie buried in eons of time past. Keep prodding scientists to think out of the box. Keep challenging them to get answers! That's how progress is made.

@fritzdoerring9058

3 жыл бұрын

A modern day Socrates.

@johnsposato5632

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly right. The belief that the observational and logical methodologies used by scientists are capable of allowing us to understand and/or explain everything is called scientism. Science can explain natural phenomena, but some things rise above that.

@gjsterp

2 жыл бұрын

John Sposato Science has proven to able to explain many many things. Belief in a God doesn't explain anything.

@johnsposato5632

2 жыл бұрын

@@gjsterp I didn't deny your first statement; in fact I asserted it. But I would dispute your 2nd statement.

@gjsterp

2 жыл бұрын

John Sposato What does a belief in A God explain ? I would argue that we are a product of the Cosmos. If you studied any astronomy, you would realize the Cosmos has produced many phenomenal objects. Life is just another potential of what the Cosmos is capable of producing.

That was a fantastic lecture! Thank you for the introduction to this set of ideas. Great sense of humor as well-I appreciated that.

@DrunkenHotei

2 жыл бұрын

You should go well past the introduction to see why it's all a bunch of BS

@colepriceguitar1153

10 ай бұрын

@@DrunkenHoteiwhat’s BS?

@DrunkenHotei

10 ай бұрын

​@@colepriceguitar1153 You mean where is Meyer lying or what does "BS" stand for?

@colepriceguitar1153

10 ай бұрын

@@DrunkenHotei where is he lying?

@DrunkenHotei

10 ай бұрын

@@colepriceguitar1153 He's lying by intentionally misrepresenting his concept of "information" as if it were somehow viable or useful while totally ignoring actual Shannon-Weaver information theory (which is already a branch of mathematics; also, I'm a math guy, so be prepared for a dose of realism in that dept.). He has to ignore it, of course, because if he acknowledged it, that would destroy his wacky claims in an instant. If you aren't familiar with information theory or very good at math, one of the ways you might start to see how silly his notion of "functional information" or whatever is (it's been years since I watched this particular lecture, so sorry if I forgot some of his made-up terminology) is by asking yourself the following question: "If we want to test whether or not the amount of information/functional information in a system has changed, how do we measure it, and what are its units?" If you can't measure something, and it has no units, then you can't say anything scientific about how much it goes up or down by in a given situation, now can you?

From a book published in 1886 "it is a self-evident truth that effects must be produced by competent causes"

Steve doesn't leave even one stone unturned in "Darwin's Doubt". He's got every base covered!

@MrDominex

5 жыл бұрын

Creationism is a grab bag of fake arguments designed to appeal to religious fundamentalists who are anxious about their own doctrines. Evolution makes no religious claims and challenges no one's theology, it merely explains how species form. Meyer never offers an alternative theory to evolution, he just takes random, unconvincing potshots at it.

@john_smithchiropractor3931

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex He seems convincing to me.

@MrDominex

5 жыл бұрын

@@john_smithchiropractor3931 You are naive to be taken in by Meyer. He cleverly takes advantage of your ignorance. He doesn't fool scientists, only the same kind of religious conservatives who would be fooled by Donald Trump.

@john_smithchiropractor3931

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex Wow! you're pre-judging comment leaves me confounded. Just because I do lean towards his ideas You immediately assume I am "naive" and "ignorant". It is obvious who is the ignorant person between you and I. If you actually believe everything coming from the supposed "intellectual Educational establishment in current state. Then you are more gullible than intelligent.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

One base that Steve leaves uncovered-- an alternative explanation for how species form. That's a pretty important base to ignore so completely, in fact that is the central issue.

Always like to hear Stephen Meyer talk about ID.

I love people like Stephen C. Meyers superheros of our time

Thank you for your works sir. To me, the most revealing thing is the Darwinian statement that they have a piori commitment to a materialistic interpretations. That precludes any interpretation inconsistent with their beliefs. ... Beliefs

@jarrygarry5316

2 жыл бұрын

Even Darwin is not atheist.Read his last line in Origin of Species.He believed in God

@DrunkenHotei

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarrygarry5316 Why are you lying? Bearing false witness is a sin, no?

Excellent work Dr. Meyer. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. Its time for a Neodarwinism paradigm shift.

@DrunkenHotei

10 ай бұрын

I pray this is a joke. Your "paradigm shift" has gotten the attention it deserved and has been relegated to its rightful place as one of the great ideological lolcow religiously-motivated conspiracy theories by both biology and even the Internet at large. People can be amazingly stupid, but the average person who takes a serious interest in this kind of thing is just not as stupid as creationism would require them to be.

Has anyone else taken note of the wonderful , fresh, innocent, devoid-of-pomposity persona that Steven Meyer exudes? I perceive the essence of a man who is not trying to "prove" himself in any way but simply presents himself and his beliefs without a molecule of self-aggrandizement. Amazing. Refreshing. So encouraging to see someone live in this space. I think he must fellowship with a group of believers who really help him stay "Velveteen Rabbit" real in the challenging world of academia and scientific research. All you young people out there who want to love God through science, take note of how this kind of living and 'being' is done!

@rationalskeptic2215

4 жыл бұрын

Narniagirl *help him stay "Velveteen Rabbit" real in the challenging world of academia and scientific research* LOL!! The only way to " challenging world of academia and scientific research" is to provide your own evidence that was produced using the scientific method and allow it to undergo the same vetting process as the *_scientific information_* he's challenging. For example, if he were to present his nonsense, he would be laughed out of town with that "Darwinism" bullshit. The poor fool doesn't realize that Darwin hasn't been relevant in evolutionary biology since the 1940s. Nobody mentions the Wright Brothers when discussing flight.

@narniagirl1574

4 жыл бұрын

@@rationalskeptic2215 Hello there, RationalSkeptic22: You misunderstand -- I am speaking about relating to people and learning to BE on a whole different plane. A spiritual plane. It is possible, as the Apostle Paul said, "to have all knowledge, yet if I have not love, I am nothing." I recall the last words spoken to me by my 86 year old father. He felt his body winding down, like an old clock. He knew death was imminent. He said, "All my life I have struggled to make a name for myself, and to contribute something to the world. For my life to MATTER. But now I see that all that struggle was for nothing. All that I struggled for doesn't matter. In the end, LOVE is all that matters. . .in the end, it's the ONLY THING that matters." So I was expressing a desire for Stephen to stay close to the Heart that created and that rules and reigns over the Universe, even as he delves into its mysteries. Peace to all who will follow the Truth, no matter where it leads them. Take care, RationalSkeptic22 and peace.

Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God Almighty.

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

The praising of gods is done to curry favor with them, not to discover how the universe works-- for that you need science.

@catherineanderson7460

4 жыл бұрын

Amen and amen!

@Jonas-gl9ke

4 жыл бұрын

Dan Delgado:LOL!

@ds525252

4 жыл бұрын

Dan Delgado Magic Rock

@ds525252

4 жыл бұрын

MrDominex your god died. Long live Chrissy

thx steve... keep up the good work

another issue with the bike-lock analogy is that the thief can dismiss each tried and failed combination but chance cannot. chance will repeat many combinations many times even after failure. the thief may determine that the first dial cannot be a one but chance will continue to select a one on the first dial every tenth try. and this continues with each and every dial on every random attempt.

@marieindia8116

2 жыл бұрын

excellent point. even to speed run the available chances you would need a mind.

I love this lecture, may God guide him further towards His path.

Love Stephen Meyer His the only scientist that make sense to me these days God Bless you! Greetings from SA

"Intelligent Design" would be a very good theory to work with in understanding cells. The quotes means we're not sure what Intelligence Design might really mean. Darwin's theory is proved wrong and is holding back science.

@gregoryholden835

3 жыл бұрын

Michael, that's a very good summation. Hard to grasp why people don't capitulate to the only obviously correct option of there being a Creator. I think that a lot of atheist are so unsatisfied with the way that things are that they just decide that it must not be a God. I could only imagine that mindset:" There cannot be a God... because things are not the way I think they should be!" I can empathize with them but I can't join them 😔!

Dr. Stephen Meyer is one of the most brilliant men I have listened to. Very highly educated.

Very interesting. Great presentation and I'll buy the book now and check out more details. Facinating.

@DrunkenHotei

2 жыл бұрын

Why not check out some opposing points of view first and make up your own mind?

Stephen Meyer is one of those scientists. Brilliant man.

Thank you very much for all the work you have done! My dream is to one day work at the Center for Science and Culture of the Discovery Institute

Thank you mayer, I get important knowledge through you.

Dr.meyer is razor sharp and in the field daily, he's not making claims he is stating facts, that holds water!

Nice Job Steve.

@sojournners9799

8 жыл бұрын

Mankind are capable to 'create', made (assemble) *_artificial intelligent robots / machines_* (an inanimate non-living thing), _programmed_ it, even _'communicate'_ with it and _command_ it to perform certain amazing tasks. ...but *God* is far more beyond, *He* created _quarks, atoms, molecules_ (an inanimate non-living thing), or even the thing smaller than those ; Just imagine, like as a *_miniature Super AI robots / machines_*, God could _"programmed"_ it, _inspires_ and _commands_ them to perform certain astounding, splendour tasks, such as a _molecular bio-machines_ in a cells. _Al-Qur'an, Surah 41 ~ Fussilat (Explained in detail)_ _41:11__ ~ Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."_ God guides, inspires the Universe, inspires to all things. _The answer for ;_ _The "missing gap" of Molecular Evolution hypothesis for the atheist scientists._

@alpacamaster5992

3 жыл бұрын

@@sojournners9799 "the Quran is perfectly preserved"

Stephen is well capable on the subject. Well done.

Having listened to Stephen in several other lectures and talk shows, his approach to science and faith is outstanding. Faith has never opposed science. However, when we don't surrender our will to God during times when something is beyond our understanding even though we try our best, is when faith seemed to oppose science. If we continue to keep both faith and science, it will inevitably lead us to more discoveries.

@chuanhiang

4 жыл бұрын

@Dan Delgado Please help me to understand your intention better. Do you mean google these three words and in what context?

@chuanhiang

4 жыл бұрын

@@ds525252 Are you referring to things like these? whatstheharm.net/christianscience.html

@chuanhiang

4 жыл бұрын

@@ds525252 Respect for other opinions if they meant what they said and said with a good and genuine intention to contest is important for constructiveness and learning. If we want to have a proper discourse we must respect viewpoints regardless of its seeming nonsensicalness at first. We must be cognizant that when Copernicus suggested a heliocentric universe, he might have been ridiculed but with time and science and effort, he was proven right. We must adopt the same attitude when it comes to discovering knowledge and truth.

@ds525252

4 жыл бұрын

Chuan Hiang Teng you are right.... I am deleting my comments now. 👍☮️

@chuanhiang

4 жыл бұрын

@Dan Delgado "We aim to show that they are decidedly not." Who is we?

I wish he would've been one of my professors in college. I would've fallen in love with science. It wasn't until I became a biology teacher and had some miracles happen that intelligent design became my passion.

I've watched this and some other of Stephen's presentations. Intelligent design seems an inescapable conclusion to me.

@davidreinhart418

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The world powers don’t want to admit there is a higher power than them.

Enjoying your book The Signature in the Cell very much. I thought the ideas presented may be a little abstruse for a homemaker like me, but the clarity of your thought comes through very nicely in your writing. Thank you for devoting your life's work to defending Intelligent Design. I just wish there were more like you in our classrooms.....

Genesis 1:26 This is the reason why we can program and create amazing things in life because we have our creator attributes.

I am speechless, the times are truly changing. Mr Meyer is simply phenomenal. Now to deal with Darwinian-fascists who are holding science hostage for the sake of their dogma.

@korykent5645

4 жыл бұрын

Oooooh sick burn!

@rstevewarmorycom

3 жыл бұрын

You're an uneducated moron.

@hjalmar.poelzig

3 жыл бұрын

The times are a-changing all right-- Creationism has collapsed and evolution is totally triumphant. Less than a hundred years ago Ceationists were able to have people arrested and tried for teaching evolution. When's the last time Creationists won a court case? How many major universities deny evolution or take Creationism seriously?

@MrDominex

3 жыл бұрын

Creationism is in decline with the general public, it isn't taught in a single university on earth and it hasn't won a single court case in 95 years.

@rstevewarmorycom

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex Yup!

Excellent presentation!

Thank you Dr. Meyer. You have taught me so much. God Bless!

In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word comes from a Mind.

273,000 views 7,200 comments. Keep supporting this channel. Comment often and engage dialog.

This is a good man

@andrewwilhelms1978

3 жыл бұрын

No man is good but he is pretty darn decent dude.. Deep info but I as a layman can even understand it

Okay so I get that the first ever Cell came into existence by Random chance but how did the Second Cell come into being? Did the First Cell develop Binary Fission by Random Chance too? 🤔

Very good presentation!

the answer is - that you have to know the end from the beginning - otherwise how do you know what parts to make first ... [ how can you know what information to put into the DNA, unless you already have the plans finished for the completed construction ...

@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan

3 ай бұрын

Uhm, you don't need a goal to get results. Even most creationist acknowledge that evolution can create stuff without a goal. Do you have anything specific "goal" in mind you can't explain without a mind? Take this for example. You have a pretty simple organism with just a few cells (like 20k or so). They eat, they get eaten. One day a mutation occurs and a few cells start to be light sensitive. The resulting creature can survive just a little bit better because it can sense when something in the environment moves. It can sense prey. The little advantage is spread throughout the whole population over many generations. The next mutation occurs and the cells around the light sensitive cells bulk up. Direction of light can be figured out now. Next mutation, cells at the border bulk up even more, better direction. uhm, what am I talking ...you will not understand you will just claim "the eye" was always the goal. You see a mutation and think "that is the direction" but you can't think about all the mutations removing the light sensitive cells. You will never understand evolution. Question is: Do you have to understand it? Live your happy life without evolution ...all good.

Official science, mainstream is 30 years behind cutting edge research.

@bruce3102

4 жыл бұрын

Peter Zap very true!

@Tupouish

4 жыл бұрын

As is with all area of research

@hjalmar.poelzig

3 жыл бұрын

"Intelligent Design" arguments were invented in the 1980s to disguise Creationism as science and havent progessed since. Creationism was invented in the 1920s as a reactionary, anti-modernist religious movement harkening back to ancient mythology. Its proponents like to present it as "cutting edge" but no one is fooled by that.

@MrDominex

3 жыл бұрын

Creationism is 150 years behind current research-- it's laughable to present it as some kind of "advanced" study like it's the next big trend. There is no trend toward "Intelligent Design" in science or society, . evolution is not controversial among scientists, there is no alternative theory on the horizon, and the publication of new discoveries in the field is accelerating every year. Creationism is just a little cult with delusions of grandeur.

@kinetic7609

Жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex Science is neutral. Creation is a paradigm, as is materialism. Both of these paradigms use science to support their case. Please stop conflating science with materialism. Just an fyi, modern science is killing materialism. Your position is no longer tenable.

After you watch this..... Watch the lecture by James Tour on Origin of Life. Then tell your friends to watch it.....

@ds525252

4 жыл бұрын

KC P Oh yes!👍

@kcp2967

4 жыл бұрын

@Dan Delgado - His "Origin of Life" lecture is much more detailed, and highly recommended for anyone who is unfamiliar with the subject. I do not think James is endorsing any kind of ID or creationism. He seems to imply that what has been presented or implied by MSM and others....is not in actuality, completely true.

@kcp2967

4 жыл бұрын

@Dan Delgado I think every person who signed that list, originally caught a lot of professional heat. Personally, I think it makes it much less likely that Ivy League scholars would risk pissing their reputations away by signing the list......and the same probably holds true for the number of people who remain on the list, after being updated in February. I seriously doubt any of those scholars are six day creationists. Many Christians have a genuine love for science, technology, etc., and follow this area of science due to the extreme amount of "bad information," put out by YEC and hard core Darwin supporters. It seems to me, that to be "genuine" about properly educating students, there needs to be a correction to the "mission statement" of Origin of Life Sciences, and some clear updated educational materials stating "what science does know, and what it does not know." Often times, it is "marketed" by MSM popular scientists like Bill Nye, Brian Cox, NDT, and scholars like Dawkins that "sell" the attitude that "Science has it all figured out," which is unfortunately inaccurate and misleading. There is no definitive version of the creation account......most modern Christians know this, and it is not an issue of "faith" for them. I think many main stream "scientists" think that all Christians have some comic book conception of YHVH / Jesus of Nazareth, which is also inaccurate and misleading. I do not think "science" will ever "prove" His existence, as much as I think He will "reveal" Himself through things that are measurable through modern science. However, scientists seem determined on insisting "a superior intelligence" of ANY kind does NOT exist.......which is just "bad science."

@kcp2967

4 жыл бұрын

@Dan Delgado Look, I agree there are limits to what should be considered reasonable material for science education. But, it goes both ways......Let's face it, based on what we know now, should "Lucy" be used as an example of the evolution of modern humans? You get my point, right? When one of the biggest problems science has regarding DNA, is the origin of the information......is it really a wise idea to take the possibility of a superior intelligence, completely off the table? You've got six day creationists screaming, "we didn't come from monkey's" while the modern scientists are screaming "G-d didn't do it." It's just two extremes that are unwilling to budge and both are interjecting their biases into the argument. I say we just "do science" and let the evidence take us wherever it leads....... Real people of faith do not fear science, but, we don't always trust the results that are spoon fed to the public by the MSM sciguys.

Brilliant demonstration!

Excellent! Fascinating!

Amen, I have been discussing creation with some atheist and Evolutionist on another site. It amazing how quickly some of the resort to cursing, hostility and accusing me of being closed mined or lying. Some have any scientist who stops believing in evolution is stupid. Some have said no real scientist accepts creation.

@marieindia8116

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, when logic fails, verbal and mental abuse is the only option besides capitulation...which is unthinkable for some....

@jounisuninen

Жыл бұрын

"Some have said no real scientist accepts creation." Many of the greatest names in science were devout Christians or at least believing in God: Nicolaus Copernicus (a monk), Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Joseph Priestley, James Clerk Maxwell, Charles Darwin, Gregor Mendel (the founder of genetics and abbot of a monastery), Lord Kelvin and Albert Einstein. Plus, many of the pioneers of quantum physics: Werner Heisenberg, Max Plank, Erwin Schrödinger, James Jeans, Louis de Broglie, Wolfgang Pauli and Arthur Eddington. And today's scientists - the astrophysicist Paul Davies, Simon Conway Morris (Professor of Evolutionary Paleobiology at Cambridge), Alasdair Coles (Professor of Neuro-immunology at Cambridge), John Polkinghorne (who was Professor of Mathematical Physics at Cambridge), Russell Stannard, Freeman Dyson ... and Francis Collins, who led the team of 2,400 international scientists on the Human Genome Project and was an atheist until the age of 27, when he became a Christian. Over 60% of all Nobel Laureates in Science believe in God. The more stupid or uneducated a person is, the more he is inclined towards atheism.

its easier to believe a washing machine made itself than complex molecular machines

@markward3981

2 жыл бұрын

I have been throwing metal and plastic at walls for years hoping to randomly come up with a washing machine . By neo Darwinist evolution reasoning I should eventually come up with one 😲🔍😂

MATTERS NOT WHAT VOLUME OF EVIDENCE IS SET FORTH ! MAN'S REPLY IS " - I AM, THAT I AM '

Beautiful presentation 👏

In terms of the existence and power of the Divine intelligence involved: For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honour him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans

@ereynatetasgrafas9933

9 жыл бұрын

Amen Hallelujah!!!

@ProfezorSnayp

7 жыл бұрын

"And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay." The Talking Ass Numbers 22 : 28-30

@MrDominex

5 жыл бұрын

Science explains how species form in clear, physical terms-- but you prefer invisible phantoms and vague fables that make no demands on your intellect.

@brightwellkunene8995

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrDominex Science is not clear as to the origination of life. The formation of species is a later-on process. the problem with evolutionist who are atheist is that they want to completely do away with intelligence in the emergence of life, but then are unable to explain how an unguided purely materialistic process originates life and create complex systems, that are then acted upon by other factors to form the species that you are talking about. The other problem is that they lace their retorts or discussions with too much invectives such that you become unable to separate the crap from real stuff. Do not accuse people on the ID side to be pseudoscientist. Just present a coherent explanation of how evolution/science did things right from the emergence of first life until the human being at the apex. Please allow for engagement also with any of your suggestions on how things happened through evolution. This test the other side, your side has consistently fail, yet they want us to buy into their suggestion. We cannot be bullied into accepting something that does not make full sense. Sorry people

@MrDominex

5 жыл бұрын

@@brightwellkunene8995 Science is not clear on the details of how non-living matter makes the transition to living chemistry but we know it happens because life could not have existed in the early universe. No scientific explanation for anything relies on gods or the supernatural, but that doesnt make science anti-religious. You can always believe that your favorite deities are responsible for any natural process, science is only concerned with how it actually works.

Fantastic. Love watching your talks.

This is a good lecture. Thnx

I think Alan Watts description that Religious people have put us humans WAY UP and Science puts Us WAY DOWN is a useful way of understanding the tension in this polarized discussion. As per usual theres a middle way.

The universe is very young Stephen

Richard Dawkins: 'It looks like design, but it's not'. In other words: 'Who you gonna believe? me, or your lyin' eyes?'

@johnwaldon123

4 жыл бұрын

@Kuffar Legion Pretty sure God made the earth round.

@johnwaldon123

4 жыл бұрын

@Kuffar Legion Where does the Bible say the earth is flat?

@johnwaldon123

4 жыл бұрын

@Kuffar Legion Wait a minute . . . . You believe the earth is flat ?

@johnwaldon123

4 жыл бұрын

@Dan Delgado I believe God, and the eyes He gave me.

@johnwaldon123

4 жыл бұрын

@Dan Delgado One afternoon in South Carolina, I talked by phone with a man in China who said that in China it was nighttime. If the earth were flat, it would have been daytime in China when it was daytime in South Carolina.

Itt is a sort of dance, that has rythym, audio tone, pleasing sequence of order, mathematical rule of progress, and goal of completeness! In other words, non-chaos! --- PERFECTION. King David came closest of human achievement to this in his Psalms; and Isaiah in his prophesy.

@fritzdoerring9058

3 жыл бұрын

With critical organization!!!!!

The universe is finely tuned The cell is finely tuned All around us is finely tuned Yet some still believe it is mere an unbelievable chances and impossible probabilities that "must have happened" ! What can convince you then

@logicalatheist1065

10 ай бұрын

🤣🤣😂😂

Religion PHOBIA . Just the words "creative design" scares the hell out of the religion phobes.

@alexanderbaus7451

9 жыл бұрын

mcmanustony Do you abhor math as primitive nonsense? Or do you affirm the objectivity of abstract mathematical objects?

@monicahale887

7 жыл бұрын

mcmanustony people have discovered math science or anything, we created none of it , because we cant,

@thegreatbehoover788

4 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony 8 years of study and yet you "buy" evolution of DNA ? You definitely did not say graduated! Maybe you can explain why someone who studied math BELIEVES in IMPOSSIBLE MATH??? Or were you too lazy to even look at the statistics of DNA?

@lukebristol3136

4 жыл бұрын

and we only call it that because the word GOD...causes meltdown.lol

@MrDominex

4 жыл бұрын

@@thegreatbehoover788 How do species develop if not by evolution? Explain how the process works in cause and effect terms as scientific theories do.

The more people mock Intelligent Design, the less they know about it.

@johnhammond6423

Жыл бұрын

The more people mock the natural evolution of species the less they know about it.

@joemarshall4226

Жыл бұрын

@@johnhammond6423 I don't hear people knock it. It was a clever hypothesis, but the evidence to support it has steadily waned.

@johnhammond6423

Жыл бұрын

@@joemarshall4226 _'the evidence to support it [evolution] has steadily waned'_ Some Christion apologists are making this claim and some really gullible people are actually believing them. 🙄

@joemarshall4226

Жыл бұрын

@@johnhammond6423 Darwin would say it himself. The fossil record does not support evolution by random mutation alone the way Darwin thought it would.

@johnhammond6423

Жыл бұрын

@@joemarshall4226 Anybody that thinks the modern theory of evolution is dependent on what Darwin did or did not say 150 years ago has no idea about the theory of evolution.

He makes complex molecular biology accessible to the layman! Good speaker! My forte is mathematics and so i can just how compelling his argument is!

All individuals of the component of theory must contest

Nice to hear the phrase "begging the question" used correctly! Not so nice to hear 10^10 called ten trillion! This said, I'm halfway thru and enjoying listening to an intelligent IDist who doesn't say "watch = watchmaker; Scrapyard -> Jumbojet? Case Proved" ! I shall continue with great interest.

@warrenjoseph76

4 жыл бұрын

Niles Spindrift that error stopped me in my tracks too....came to the comments to check I was the only one. He really needs to correct that

17,000 subscribers. This channel is getting so many views and comments increasing exposure and subscribers. Both sides keep the comments coming👍. KZread sees the numbers jumping and it is suggesting the channel more and more.

Is there gonna be an italian edition of the book?

I am fearfully and wonderfully made!

Even if it was somehow possible for a cell to just come alive out of nothing, there's no possible way that it could also replicate itself. The only possible explanation for life is that it was designed by a subatomic civilization inside of universe Earth.

@302indian

3 жыл бұрын

I believe the Heavenly Host could be viewed as a designing subatomic civilization.

@sssssnake222

3 жыл бұрын

@@302indian we only one because we were the best programmers

@DrunkenHotei

10 ай бұрын

@@sssssnake222 It's actually sort of necessary that it replicate by virtue of the unidirectional nature of entropy. There are also molecules which can self-replicate that don't even belong to living organisms necessarily, like prions.

How amazing is our Creator. Everything He has created has a plan and a purpose from that which man cannot see to what man can see. He has His signature on everything. Man cannot decipher the code in the DNA as he needs the LANGUAGE to get the trillions or billions of information written in it. They also do not understand what is "CONSCIOUSNESS" or "what is energy". Each person is unique. Even look alike twins do not have the exact same fingerprint or DNA. It give the bone structure, shape and size of ears, eyes (its color) the skin, size and shape of hands (and fingers) and feet (and toes), the hair straight, curly, crissy, wavy, etc. Which throws out the " reincarnation" belief, taking on another body, that does NOT look like the original person. There will only be ONE of you. As the created said "You are fearfully and wonderfully made". "I moulded and shaped and formed you in your mothers womb". (The mother is the instrument - incubator - to bring this unique human into this world). "Every SOUL is mine (belongs to me) and my desire is NONE should perish but come to repentance". (Meaning - turn back from your unrighteous ways and walk Righteously before ME, according to the "Constitution our Creator gave for man to LIVE by on this EARTH - regarded as His Kingdom. Manifesting the Righteous Character (image) of our Creator you were created in).

DNA was not discovered yet in Dwarins time when he came up with the Theory.

@DrunkenHotei

10 ай бұрын

True. And? (he hypothesized its existance, btw)

This is sheer brilliance by Stephen an academic who is able to articulate the case for intelligent design and therefore creation so clearly that evolution should now be in the dustbin of history. The problem is evolution is so entrenched in academia and establishment science including cultural Marxism that intelligent design will hardly create a ripple, and the media will not allow it any platform. God indeed is not welcome in any major university and new students soon realise you leave your God at the door. Evolution has always been a faith for a Godless generation and our precious climate change is next.

@michaelwill7811

5 жыл бұрын

The assertion that climate change is man-made and will destroy the Earth, or similar assertions are already dead. If one were to agree that God created everything, and he is omniscient, how is it possible for him to have misjudged what mankind can do to the home He created for them? Climate change being a danger to this planet is absurd, based on the above. I don't worry about the planet being destroyed by mankind because I trust that God *IS* omniscient. Does that mean I will just start throwing trash out the window of my vehicle as I travel from point A to point B? Of course not, God expects us to care for what He created and entrusted to us.

@marieindia8116

2 жыл бұрын

the Bible answers that Satan is currently controlling the world; how else could he offer all the kingdoms of the earth to the Christ as a temptation? therefore the colleges are Satan's, academia is controlled by this enemy, the media is Satan's. it should be no surprise that God is not welcome there.

I love God

@jarredgreer2959

5 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@RegardingThePlan

4 жыл бұрын

Craig Jones I really like the one that died for you.

@randolphpatterson5061

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, our beloved Osiris is one cool dude. Or, Shiva, yeah, him.

@randolphpatterson5061

4 жыл бұрын

You really should be ashamed of yourself. That's what your god wants for you, after all.

@jacketrussell

4 жыл бұрын

Yes - Thor is amazing, isn't he?

Irreducible complexity is a big problem. There are complex cellular components that cannot evolve on their own, individually they have no function. It's like saying a car engine accidently came together with some pistons and other parts lying around. One needs a car that's been built to get car parts.

@stubdo16

4 жыл бұрын

To get to the modern car took thousands of years of evolution of ideas, culture and technology, and car designs are constantly changing and evolving today. Someone did not sit down one day and make the first car from scratch. Cars are still constantly evolving as technology, demand, materials, innovation, fashions, external circumstances change and evolve. Each generation of car differs from past ones by amendments, innovations, improvements, alterations etc.

@gungrave10

3 жыл бұрын

@@stubdo16 And there is intelligence behind that evolution

@stubdo16

3 жыл бұрын

@@gungrave10 yes, but god did not need that evolution process. For example, when he created the talking snake in the garden of Eden he did not have to keep making loads of prototypes. The talking snake started off with legs but god got rid of its legs after the whole thing with the forbidden fruit. Presumably it had to mate with a female snake with legs, but their offspring must have had no legs and lost the ability to speak, leading on to the modern snake.

@stubdo16

3 жыл бұрын

@@gungrave10 humans did not evolve. God made Adam out of dust and then made Eve out of a bit of Adam as a companion after none of god's animals turned out to be suitable companions for Adam. So humans were just made by god pretty much instantaneously. We know this as it says so in Genesis so must be true (in fact, therefore is true (?))

@marieindia8116

2 жыл бұрын

@@stubdo16 I'm sorry, which Bible scripture tells us this amusing story? I must have missed it. The one about the snake.

Wonderful

im curious does all the protein sythesis, transcription etc in the animation take place during fertilization and fetal development or is this also going on all the time in living cells?

@thedynamicsolo4232

11 ай бұрын

Tough to find, but Ken Ham actually has some video's on this.

@GoofyAhOklahoma

11 ай бұрын

It depends. Some processes are only used to replicate. But others procceses require certain proteins to be continually replaced in order to maintain the cell.

When I watch any video about how complicated our human body is I'm always amazed how anyone can believe we evolved into humans... All these laws our body and world live by... Laws are written not poofed out air 🤷

@LordNinja109

3 жыл бұрын

I don't believe that we evolved, I accept it. And it's not really that crazy if you look into it.

@302indian

3 жыл бұрын

You are amazed that Beethoven's ancestor was an earthworm....c'mon ....what's wrong with you ?

@LordNinja109

3 жыл бұрын

@@302indian We were never earthworms, our last ancestor to lack vertebrae were aquatic and about 300 to 400 years before earthworms evolved.

@ludwigkirchner08

3 жыл бұрын

Right. Sperm and egg evolved from nothing to become the only way to produce a blastocyst that then creates sperm or egg to create another blastocyst. And many other examples of open systems evolving to become closed systems that only reproduce closed systems. Uh huh. Makes total sense if you lack basic logic skills.

@LordNinja109

3 жыл бұрын

@@ludwigkirchner08 Right because your incredulous means we should completely ignore everything else that basically confirms evolution true because we still are missing one step. "MaKEs TotAL SEnse If YoU LAcK BasIC loGiC sKiLLs!!!1!"

I love looking at what God created.

Beautiful

@Stephen Meyer Gee, mashallah, you got good sense of humor.

I was an atheist for over 50 years. However, I was introduced to the synthesis of proteins and their geometric folding. While I was in medical school, this was not known in the detail it now is. From there on it was a short step to dropping my atheism. It was not easy, because when one is an atheist for many years, your own "personality" is built upon it. But wrong is wrong. I was wrong. I now realize that Dawkins is himself having problems with this...in the questions asked him by college students familiar with proteins. He and Krauss are no longer able to answer those questions from the audience. His "fall back" position has been that "aliens implanted life on Earth." While this is not impossible, when he says it, it sounds like a cheap B-grade movie I might have seen in a cartoon when I was a child. In short, Dawkins is just an idiot. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

@gregoryholden835

3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations San Jose Mike! I'm glad you came around.