If you ignore the bad one, the group gets better! Classic.

This video helps a lot, thank you sir.

Seller and bellot 143gr is where it's at brother. That rifle loves em

@MD-MDMDMD

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for tip. I will have to take a look into this. What type of projectiles are they?

@reallythough4591

5 ай бұрын

@@MD-MDMDMD fmj, dimple tip

@reallythough4591

5 ай бұрын

@@MD-MDMDMD tactical fmj bt is what it says on the box. My first deer took one shot from 175yds in the rain to left rib cage. Round broke rib and went left thru both lungs and out right front shoulder. He didn't make it 6 hops. The round is fantastic in that rifle

Thank you for making this. Considering same rifle for my daughter.

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

No problems, thanks for the comment. I don't think you will be disappointed with the Cross.

Nice video! Appreciate your time and effort adding to the data for Sig Cross! I have one in the 16 inch 308 Variant. It's favorite factory ammo so far is the IMI "Razor Core" 175 grain. On MidwayUSA they have listed as "IMI Ammunition 7.62x51mm NATO 175 Grain M118LR Razor Core (Sierra MatchKing Hollow Point)". Shot just under an inch everytime so far. It hates the Hornady ELD-M and ELDX. My guess is the narrow secant ogive shapes of those bullets make it really sensitive to seating depth, so if it's not just right, it shoots meh. Who knows, I'm learning everyday! Be well!

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Can't go wrong with SMK projectiles, I often have good success with them with my 6.5 PRC. Sadly, I don't think I can get IMI ammunition here in Australia to try out. I'm surprised that the Hornady ELD cartridges perform badly for you. I generally get good results with them, often under an inch. I do think you might be onto something with the sensitivity to seating depth for the lighter weight projectiles. When I get to handloading for the Cross, I might play around with seating depth on some lightweight projectiles and see if I can improve the results. I want to get through 1, maybe 2 more factory ammunition tests first though. All the best.

Cool!

I kind of wish I had got the 6.5 CM version of the Cross. My .308 shoots like absolute garbage, but it seems like all the 6.5s shoot really good

Ty

You are within the parallax error of the optic. Try shooting without moving your head during the entire group. At 100 yards, the slightest head movement will expand your group more than people realize. A trick I use is to back off the optic until the eye box starts to close down. Then I can center the visible part on the crosshairs. The entire scope isn't needed for paper anyway. I bet you can get 1/2 MOA from that alone. Good luck.

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree with you. You make some very good points. Although the recoil is mild, I find that it is enough to shift your position looking down the scope. I intend to install the PWS muzzle brake that comes with the Sig Cross shortly and see whether I can mitigate that and hold my position better.

I load for 6.5cm in a gas gun. I get .5 to .75 groups with the 143 eldx, but for accuracy I can't beat the Berger 130 hybrids. As mentioned in a previous comment, the vld's and eld's are kind of sensitive to seating depths, so you got lucky that Precision Hunter load is working that well for that particular barrel. Although they're fairly accurate in general. All in a 1:8 twist barrel, of course.

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. Feels like there's a few things at play with the factory ammo I shot. Flat base vs boat tail, heavy vs light weight projectiles. Seating depth etc. Quite a bit to test and learn!

Not bad shooting, practice your follow through with your trigger and stop breaking your cheek weld and I bet those groups will tighten another quarter inch.

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

Good advice! Thanks for the tips 😀

My Ruger 6.5 with a KRG chassis likes 140 gr, best. 1.03 inch! But my barrel gets hot, and starts scattering them!

You will probably have to get the magic load at the reloading bench. My best advice is to start 2 grains below hot and go from there. From there start 1/4 grain up and down from there. Keep reloading until you find it's secret load that the gun loves.

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

I'm going to run a couple more factory ammo tests first, but I'm working on some reloading recipes in the background.

@kesleycottrell1416

Жыл бұрын

That is my favorite part of reloading is finding that one combo of bullet and powder that will make a ragged hole group.

Thoughts on barrel heat effecting outcome? Groups got wider as the shooting continued.

@Dontcar3144

6 ай бұрын

i was thinking the same thing. would be interesting to see what the grouping would be with all cartridges with cold bores.

I would like to have seen the federal berger hybrids shot in this.

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

I will have a look for them, if I can find a box I'll include them in a future video.

hold up is this the SP-X from MWII?

Did you let the barrel cool down when you went to each set of ammo? If not, it's not really and ideal comparison.

I don't believe it's the barrel length or the twist rate I run an 18 barrel on my rifle and I shot 130 get and it shoots sub half moa every time

If the bullet needs a bit more time to get stable then try a range out to 150yrd/meters and see if does stabilize.

I have found my sig cross hates anything under 140 bullets. Only bullet my cross will shoot sub MOA is the 143 ELDX. I've tried 10 different bullets

A lot of times you're firearm in particular might not like certain ammo or May prefer a heavier bullet over a lighter bullet or vice versa Each rifle is completely different not one shoots the same as the other You were shooting at ammo back-to-back I just wonder once you got your barrel heated up if that wasn't the reason some of your groups were so widespread Normally When you're group testing You wanna let your barrel cool down and between every group or every other group just depends on how warm your barrel gets Hope it helps enjoy your content

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Completely agree, each barrel is different, and will have projectiles it likes and doesn't. Barrel was relatively cool before I began shooting, but yes all 5 groups were shot one after the other. It's very time consuming to let the barrel cool between each group.

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Too fast of a twist for the lighter projectiles best for the heavier ones The heavier the projectile in any given caliber is usually best Given it has the right twist

@Rome_504

Жыл бұрын

Bro mine has an even faster twist, and I’m hitting better than .5 . And I’m shooting the same Barnes 127gr LR.

3:19 did I see $79.95? There is no way I would shoot 6.5 at this price, when I could have .308. Now I know the 6.5 guys are Cucci rich.

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

Haha. You read correctly! That is $AUD. Prices are absolutely insane at the moment. Not that I reload to save money, but I can typically reload cheaper than factory bought. I just wanted to share my factory results for others to consider.

@fredeb67

Жыл бұрын

@@MD-MDMDMD Yes, I know that ammo is expensive in other countries due to certain taxes. But here in America, prices are artificially high due to corporate greed. Keep up the excellent reviews brother.

You should've shot a 5th shot on that last group. I noticed you jumped a little when the guy came over the loud speaker. Your group was centered other than that one shot. Good shooting!

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

Yeah there's quite a lot of distractions at the range unfortunately, can make it hard to concentrate at times.

Your front bag and rear bag set up is not helping. If you attach a front bi-pod and use a solid rear bag and you put slight foreword pressure on your setup I believe you will cut your group size in half. also you should let the gun cool with your rifle pointed up and the bolt open a minimum of 20 min before each group test. I have no idea what country you live in but they are sticking it up your ass at $80!! for a box of bullets.

@MD-MDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I have to admit I struggled a little on the day with the front bag. I need to get a bit more filling in it. You can see in the video I'm patting it down every so often. Time is always a challenge when trying to shoot these videos, so while not ideal, I'm usually shooting each group one after the other otherwise I'm at the range for half a day for 25 shots when you factor in all the ceasefire time as well. In terms of ammo prices, could not agree more, 6.5 Creedmoor prices are insane at the moment!

God awful groups for a very expensive rig

No such thing as a flyer