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@robertdonnay8813

Жыл бұрын

I love your work. Your video are so interesting. I will try to answer to the three questions. I love hystory and specialy ww II. I readed many books about this battle and i am a wargamer (i simulate many times this battle) 1) The defense was made with the resources they had. That was not good nor bad. The defense was very effective because US army had good material, good moral. The 101st airborne is one of the best unit. Despite the encerclement, the supply can come when the sky was clear. For the german forces, the lack of supply was a big deal. 2) For the german command there was a dilema. The german forces had to rush toward the river Meuse because the allies was able to gather many units in a short time. In a second time, juste surround Bastogne without occupied it is not conceivable because it fix too many german units arround it. 3) This operation was impossible for the german command. The german command had to protect the its left flanc (the south) threatened by Patton 3rd army. Its had to reach the meuse river and attack the right flank (the north) to fix US units. Even if he could do this in a short, time the Allies air supperiority and the British reserves could not be broken to attack Anvers. All of this without enough gazolin. In most wargme and simulation i tried, taking bastogne and just capture some towns beyond bastogne is concidered a major victory for the german side. Thank you for your video and i am looking forward to discover the next one.

@mqcapps

Жыл бұрын

Too much panzer praise as if the only tanks used were panzers. Allied tanks did well. Panthers were vulnerable from the sides and I didn't hear about the US scout vehicle armed with 37mm gun knocking out a tiger from the rear...rare event...but it did happen. The statements about logistics is right on time. That the allies responded well is to their credit. It wasn't a rout. Small unit actions saved the day...the generals helped to but the acclimation of delays created by small allied units made Germany's bad implementation much worse. Insofar as ardennes 1, the defeat of France...I'd like to see a video on that as well as kursk etc. The French lost because they fought ww2 as ww1...and the wehrmact did to except that the wehrmact were lucky...it was not a sure thing until Sedan...

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

@@mqcapps Nicely said - I wanted to add more about the Shermans, the Grants, and the Lees - but only so much time. Spot on about the French - they wanted a repeat of WW1

@mikenorton632

Жыл бұрын

The port of Antwerp was 90% intact when occupied by the British Army. The reason the Port of Antwerp was unusable, is because the Scheldt Estuary connecting the port to the sea, was controlled by strong German fortifications! Montgomery thought that taking the Scheldt would cause to many casualties and came up with Market- Garden as an alternative. There are other additional reasons for Market-Garden, but that's another discussion.👍

@mqcapps

Жыл бұрын

@@mikenorton632 yep

Awesome. This is personal to me, my great uncle Art Shaffrick was a medic at the battle of the Bulge. Thank you.

Fantastic video style. Absolutely well done. Speaking as a history nut, a Second World War history nut, you have put this information in to terms that most people can understand. You don’t have to be a “historian” to understand what’s going on. The graphics presentation is also on par. Well done sir… Well done indeed.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate that Troy! I think I've already got another WW2 video in mind

@DeaconBlu

Жыл бұрын

Credit where it’s due sir. In this digital age, the more that can be put forth and understood? So much the better. I really appreciate your efforts here.

We owe so very much to the battered bastards of Bastogne. Thank you gentlemen. You are the embodiment of honor and bravery!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

The few - those band of brothers

@gibhacker8121

Жыл бұрын

Not really

@t16205

Жыл бұрын

@@gibhacker8121 whats do u mean? Do you have a point?

@ScipioAfricanus_Chris

Жыл бұрын

@@gibhacker8121 please elaborate on your nebulous denial.

@westpointsnell4167

Жыл бұрын

@@t16205 no he doesn't ..just dumbshit he doesn't know

Such a great style of storytelling. Could Listen to you describing famous battles for hours

@FlashPointHx

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Take a listen to some of my longer form content if you like

I think the VT (proximity) fuse does not get enough credit in the telling of this story. This was absolutely devastating to the German units that were being hit with nearly perfect airbursts every time.

@0giwan

Жыл бұрын

Good shout, this.

I have thoughts ... The strategic situation prior to the "Bulge" is very similar to the situation that Napoleon in the days leading up to Waterloo. He was outnumbered, the Prussian commander had outmaneuvered Napoleon's number two, and Napoleon was physically sick. But imagine if Napoleon had won. According to some historians, Napoleon was still outnumbered by more than 1 million men in the continental armies. After his losses at Waterloo, Napoleon had virtually no opportunity for victory. The same was true for Germany. Even by taking Antwerp, Hitler would be only delaying the inevitable. Victory at "bulge" also did nothing to slow the Soviets.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

yeah Napoleon was in what he called "the Middle position" - two incoming armies - he had the ability to take them out in piecemeal, if he could move fast enough. Rain slowed him down and so instead he got sandwiched

@Stephenc35753

Жыл бұрын

Napoleon Bonaparte is easily one of the best military minds in human history, right up there with Alexander the great imo

@joebombero1

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The Soviet war machine was a brutal juggernaut. Hitler's only hope was if Britain and the US both joined him against Stalin.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

@@joebombero1 Interesting what if scenario

@recon7896

Жыл бұрын

I think Hitler was hoping that if the US had a major defeat in Europe they would pull out of the war entirely and leave Hitler to only have the Soviets and UK to fight. In this way he could've moved troops to the east without having to worry about major western opposition

Small note on the Market Garden part. It was not the 2nd SS Panzer division, it was the 2nd SS Panzer Corps consisting of the 9th and 10th SS Panzer Division refitting at Arnhem. The 9th stayed and fought at Arnhem and the 10th went to Nijmegen to fight there and hold the bridge long enough against the 82nd Airborne division. Pretty small detail since both divisions were smaller than 1 fully equipped Panzer division. Your pronunciation of Dutch cities is perfectly fine by the way! Thank you for all the podcasts you've made. Greetings from The Netherlands.

@Emily-ou6lq

Жыл бұрын

Uitstekend.

@sillypuppy5940

Жыл бұрын

They had roughly the right number of men ~12000, although the quality was the not the best. But they were short on tanks - 50 rather than the preferred 150-200.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Yeah - even more reason that the 1st British para would fail

@lyndoncmp5751

Жыл бұрын

The 9th and 10th SS at Arnhem were at less than half strength and didn't have any available tanks to throw against British 1st Airborne when they dropped on the 17th. There were no German tank attacks against British 1st Airborne until the German army's Kompanie Mielke arrived from Germany late on the 18th, soon to be joined on the 19th by the Stug IIIs of Brigade 280 and the Tiger Is of Kompanie Hummel. In Market Garden it was not so much the German forces that were already there at the time, but rather the German forces they were able to send in during the following days, particular armour.

@JoeOvercoat

Жыл бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 I suggest that the armor was over emphasized in the video but putting what few professional soldiers, i.e. the Panzer units at any level, they had available in the right location right before the attack may have been key to buying enough time for Germany to bring those other forces to theatre. Maybe.

I love the details that other channels miss regarding this battle.

Having had the honor of speaking to veterans of the WW2 European theater, I had a vet explain the Battle of the Bulge to me “ before the Malmedy massacre it was a job fighting the Germans , after it was a god damn crusade . “. He still after decades got a fire in his eyes .

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

I met a bunch of WW2 vets in St. Louis - at the VA hospital - it was aways awesome to see men that had never met realize that someone else fought on the same front or was in the same place - they'd check in on each other in the hospital and make sure they were all recovering. Those memories of what they went through were always a part of them. It was a bonding experience that no one who wasn't there could understand

This completely made my week!!!!! I honestly don’t know this story yet. I don’t know much about battles generally (except im named after one), so I cannot wait to listen to this. Plus my grandfather was on the beaches of Normandy and I really should know more.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

I'm planning a trip with a buddy to hike Normandy to see those beaches that your grandfather arrived at. The world owes him.

@cjclark1208

Жыл бұрын

US civil war battle.

@TK-tcbk1

Жыл бұрын

I think, if memory serves correctly, Band of Brothers has an episode focusing on this battle. Actually, the entire series is just amazing from start to finish! The Pacific is also very good.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

@@TK-tcbk1 Yes you're right - I liked that show a lot

@nuh2ndbr466

Жыл бұрын

Your grandfather risked his life for Europe and the west to be filled with minorities and internal enemies. He must be so proud of what he did

I'm so glad the community voted for this video topic. This is such a nice call back to the early days of flash point history while still being fresh with the topic choice. I've been obsessed with the battle of bastogne since I saw band of brothers when I was younger. The choice to simply the video format, with a reduction in the music, really let's that amazing narration shine through. What can I say I haven't said before about this channel. Great job as always, and a I certainly can't wait for the next video in this style.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely want to try another one like this

@bear499

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx can't wait to see. WW2 has such a large selection of things you can do videos on.

As mentioned, the Allied supply line came all the way from Cherbourg, while Antwerp(en) was already liberated. Not mentioned, in December 1944 the estuary of the Schelde river into the North Sea was still in German hands. Check out the battle of Walcheren, where Canadian, British and Polish troops fought hard for my (grand-)parents freedom.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

You're right - When I was creating the maps for this video I made it a point to leave the northern portion of the estuary in German hands - another reason they couldn't use Antwerp

@eardwulf785

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx Not many people are aware that more V-2's hit Antwerp than hit London. As you stated Hitler was aware of its importance to the allies hence the Bulge. Thoroughly enjoyed this video glad i found your channel. Subscribed 👍

@rescuepetsrule6842

Жыл бұрын

Excellent point- most films ignore the Estuary.

@Egalitare

Жыл бұрын

Was Calais equally useless due to German sabotage in retreat?

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

@@Egalitare While it was the closest points between England and France - I don't think it had the port facilities that would have satisfied Allied demand

An old story but the best telling I've heard yet

Superb quality all around - especially with those maps! I can't wait to see what else you have to offer!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

The Battle of Shiloh is coming up in a bit

Ah yes been waiting for this one! great as always FPH!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy KHK!

The Band of Brothers’ episode covering this battle was really well done. The whole series, as you say, is definitely worth watching.

@FlashPointHx

Ай бұрын

I’m doing a series where my friend and I hiked across Normandy - we hit up St Mere Eglise, St Marie du Mont, and Carentan - along with all the drop zones of the 101st - including a walk through brentcourt manor - you might like that

@dragnflei

Ай бұрын

@@FlashPointHx I saw that! It’s got to be surreal walking thru those places now, so quiet and “normal”, and try to imagine what it was like then. I’ll probably head over there now before continuing the rest of this series

@FlashPointHx

Ай бұрын

@@dragnflei that’s exactly right - we once walked through a field on the outskirts of Carentan than had all these ponds that the cows were grazing about. Those were holes made by a naval bombarment called in by the 101st airborne.

@dragnflei

Ай бұрын

@@FlashPointHx That reminds me of Vicksburg and the trenches that are still there, silent witnesses.

@FlashPointHx

Ай бұрын

@@dragnflei I’ve been there - saw the USS Cairo - it’s haunting to walk among the old trenches

Fantastic content. My grandfather fought in the 75th which I believe to be on the northern side of the bulge. Was awarded two bronze stars in the action. Unbelievable fortitude by so many.

@FlashPointHx

8 ай бұрын

Wow - your grandfather was a hero

11:10 Actually, Antwerp's port was captured intact. The reason it couldn't be used was that the Germans still held the Scheldt estuary and thus controlled the entrance to the port. After Market Garden failed, the First Canadian Army had to clear the Germans from the Scheldt in October.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Yes thats true as well

@lawrencemyers3623

8 ай бұрын

I believe the Scheldt was also heavily mined and wasn't cleared until early December.

This video was amazing! You did a fantastic job providing a thorough introduction that nicely set the stage for the seige. I'm glad you mentioned the Soviet contribution; love them or loathe them, the price they paid in casualties (27 million) was essential to hastening the conflict to its successful conclusion. The Russians justifiably refer to WWII as the Great Patriotic War. As someone who has experienced two military deployments, your astute explanation of the critical, and often overlooked, role of logistics in warfare had me grinning. Omar Bradley and Napolean both had incredible quotes that truly encapsulate the value of logistics: "amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics" and "an Army marches on its stomach." As far as Bastogne is concerned, being of paratrooper stock, General McAulife was one poised and cool character that truly had incredible ability to think clearly, seemingly impervious to the fog of war, if you will. In this way, he reminds me of Ulysses S. Grant. This video produced a full spectrum of emotions from joy and laughter -- courtesy of your logistics explanation and your repeated derisive pronunciation of Monty's name -- to envy. A true masterpiece brother! PS: the envy came from seeing your grandfather's incredible hairline! Lol

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Chris - love this comment. When I was a kid my mom took me to a Napoleon exhibit at the museum in NYC. She was entrance by him. I remember her telling me those exact same lines - 'An Amy marches on its stomach' - those words have forever stuck with me. Bradley was right - only a true professional in warfare thinks in terms of logistics. Happy to see your comments as aways my friend. As for grandpa - yes I thank him everyday for the hairline =)

@ScipioAfricanus_Chris

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx thanks man. I'm super excited about this new series. Hopefully, you don't forget some of the critical Naval battles (i.e. Midway and Coral Sea) wink wink 😉

As always… good job! Great video!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Hey F Missy!! So good to see you here!! You're posts on twitter crack me up!

Surprised but glad to see you cover modern military history as well. I’m eating well this week, I just discovered Hardcore History and now this is released 🎉❤

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Dan Carlin is the man!

Well done, I really like your approach, hope you can do more like this!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

I just discovered your channel and as a double major in history and geography in uni, and a big fan of history of warfare and military strategy, I really appreciated your well explained video alongside the map supporting your words. Your video made me get really interested in the whole line of logistics aspect of warfare, I hope that you'll someday make a video about that ! Greetings from France 😊

@FlashPointHx

10 ай бұрын

Really happy that you liked my video and I hope you enjoy the other videos on my channel. I’ve heard it said that amateurs talk about tactics, masters talk about logistics. Btw I’ll be in Normandy to hike Cherbourg to Caen later this year!

@fantadiarra2475

10 ай бұрын

@@FlashPointHx I'll definitely enjoy all the quality content I've seen on your channel, and your video definitely sparked a thirst for more knowledge about logistics because I never took that aspect as seriously as it deserved. I also hope that you'll enjoy Caen ! I've been there once to visit the memorials and I'm going back in Brittany in a month so I'll make sure to look at all the history facts I can find there !

I loved this one. Keep making history videos.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Will do Marc

Paton saw it coming. "Brad could get in a lot of trouble up there. I want three different plans ready in case he does."

@seventhson27

Жыл бұрын

Eisenhower: We need a plan. Patton: Here's three plans, I can have two Corp on the move in 48 hours, and two more right behind it. Eisenhower: Don't mess with me George. Patton: I'm not.

I just watched this on my big screen, but I had to make a comment. Very interesting content and well done. This is a great analogy of military strategies along with the moves that show the thought that goes into these campaigns. I'm going to take a look at what other battles you have covered on your site.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Cool - let me know what you think Don

Yes great vid and I look forward to seeing more. Thanks Nuff love Terry Briggs

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated

I just found your channel...WOW. Fantastic job !!!!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Hey Nina! Welcome aboard - happy that you liked my video

Wow that was great. As always thank you.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Sir as a history nut myself i am most impressed with all the info u just gave on this event in the history of our world. To answer one of your question I believe the general in charge of bastogne did his best in the situation he was in. Just like general patton he keep as calm as he could for his men who looked to him for courage in a hard time. Because of his courage and those famous words of NUTS just says it all. Keep bring more I look forward to hearing more.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Happy that you liked the video Quba - yes agree MccAullife did an amazing job imo

Super video, well done!!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

I remember reading where Steven E. Ambrose interviewed Dwight Eisenhower and asked him if he thought Operation market garden was a good idea. Eisenhower said he would do it all over again. If you look at a map you can understand what he was saying. If they could have crossed the Rhine and gotten to the Ruhr valley; Germany's industry would have been crippled. Add that it was a straight shot to Berlin from there, and I can understand what he was talking about. One of your questions you asked if the general should have taken Bastogne or bypassed it like he did: Hitler gave them strict orders to keep on moving if they encountered stiff resistance. He was just following orders. Hindsight is 20/20. This is very well done and your research is thorough. I look forward to seeing more of your videos. This is the first one I've seen and I enjoyed it very much.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

I really like your insight. Never knew that about Eisenhower. He was more a politician than a general at this point. But he thought that MG was a good idea = mind blown- btw happy you liked my video

Great story teller, with all facts

Well done!

Outstanding work

@FlashPointHx

8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 😀

Great topic! Putting up WW2 videos will definitely get you more subscribers!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Its a lovely topic no?

Bastogne was important because it was the crossroads. To control the town was crucial for victory.

This video got me to subscribe. Good stuff right here!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Cool!

@Stephenc35753

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx seriously dude, I'm very impressed with this video. I love history so much

OH HELL YES BASTOGNE I've been a couple of times. The 101st Airborne museum is incredible.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Need to get out there one of these days. I've seen in on google maps and it looks like a quaint little town now

@thefisherking78

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx it's adorable. Full of lovely little restaurants, cafes, and chocolatiers. Also, they love Americans there, so that was fun 😂

First time viewer.. thought this was cool do have a sub.. keep up the great work

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Welcome!

Great video, I’m glad to have found ur channel. A whole lot of material to help me fall asleep, in a good way tho lol If you can cover more World War II topics, & in the Asia Pacific theater. Tnx

@FlashPointHx

9 ай бұрын

Take a listen to the podcast episode on the Doolittle Raid =)

Sitting by the fire here in Ireland and smoking my pipe while listening to the best voice on KZread. You're channel is gold

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that ! I need to get out to your country one of these days. I've heard the hiking out there is phenomenal

@turloughkennedy6579

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx yes look up West Cork Mizzen Head and also my area, Killaloe, Lough Derg, Cliffs of Moher. Also amazing history.

Great content another thx from the Netherlands

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I've mentioned this to others that have commented - traveling to your country is high on my bucket list

Whoa let’s go!! Bastogne is such an interesting story

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah! Trying something new here - let me know what you think when you get to the end

Great video as always! I'd be really interested in countries history

Second hardest part of capturing an emery city as a gift for your president is wrapping the damn thing. 🎉😅🎁

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

hahahaha

Good presentation. Just a few things need to be tweaked: 1) Paris wasn't liberated on August 19th, 1944, however that is the day Parisians took to the streets to take on the German forces in the city. American and French troops wouldn't enter the city suburbs until the evening of the 24th.2) It wasn't the 2nd SS Panzer Division posted at Arnhem at the start of Market-Garden, but the II SS Panzer Corps (9th SS and 10th SS Panzer Divisions) under General Wilhelm Bittrich. 3) The map showing the overall situation in the West in December has the US XII and XX Corps switched.

Absolutely the best documentary I have seen on a WWII battle. While I know there is a lot of material on the battle of the bulge to work with, I hope that you can do other videos to this level. How about: battle for Egypt with Montgomery and Rommel; Sicily; Italy; Stalingrad; Battle of the Atlantic; D-Day (of course). Also, consider some WWI campaigns, there is just so much more missing history on WWI, especially on the Eastern front. Thanks for a great video.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

I've been thinking of doing a series on Rommel surrounding Tobruk - Was going to call it Art of War : Logistics

@josephberrie9550

Жыл бұрын

most of the fighting in the desert was in libya and tunisia not Egypt

Just saw this on 10/5/22...Because - KZread. Anyway: fantastic, as always. A couple of points: 1. The Bulge was a desperation throw on Hitler's part. By that point, he was trapped in a corner, and had to do something, _anything,_ on both major fronts, or give up....and that was not on his agenda. But it couldn't work. Hitler needed at least another 200K or so troops, and he wasn't going to get them from anywhere, and the necessary logistical structure was in the same place. It was a no-go from Square One. 2. On Hitler ignoring his generals: You have to remember that while Hitler overruling his generals is seen as a bone-headed case of (insert _pride, stupidity, arrogance, megalomania_ or all of the above), there were plenty of reasons for him to overrule them: a. The generals told him that the Anschluss would fail; it didn't. b. They told him that Czechoslovakia would be a disaster; it wasn't. c. They told him that Poland would never work; it did. d. They told him that his attack into France would result in WW1 2.0. That didn't happen. e. The only reason Hitler stumbled in _Barbarossa_ - was because he listened to his generals and lost focus on what he needed to do. (Barbarossa was always going to fail, of course (unless Stalin suddenly dropped dead), but that's beside the point). f. Hitler lost the Battle of Britain why? Because he listened to his "expert" Air Marshal, Goering. g. The 6th Army was destroyed at Stalingrad why? Because Goering assured Hitler that the Luftwaffe could keep the 6th supplied via air (In winter. With nowhere near the requisite lift capacity.), so Hitler didn't see any point in ordering von Paulus to try and retreat or break out. h. _Operation Merkur_ was a disaster, because Kurt Student was so confident of his insane plan, and....Goering backed him to the hilt. Because of that operation, Hitler refused to authorize any other major parachute assault operations for the rest of the war. You can't count Yugoslavia, Greece or North Africa - Those were never on Hitler's agenda. He went into those arenas to save Mussolini's butt (and, being completely honest, he won 2 out of 3). Basically, after France, there was pretty much zero reason for Hitler to listen to his generals at all. Germany was never going to win (unless the Allies just quit). For a fantastic breakdown of the economics of the war you should check out Jon Parshall's articles at: combinedfleet(dot)com/economic.htm and combinedfleet(dot)com/guadoil1.htm. Also, while rather a controversial type, you should chek out TIK's relevant video's on YT: youtube(dot)com/watch?v=kVo5I0xNRhg, youtube(dot)com/watch?v=1Oc_lFmp6vQ and youtube(dot)com/watch?v=CvHd1b20wdc As to what to do next for the series? The Pacific campaigns...check out _Montemayor_ for his WW2 videos, and _Strategy Stuff_ for his videos on Japan and naval theory, in general.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Wow - impressive response. You hit on a bunch of interesting points.

I have always been interested in the battle of the Bulge and the Siege of Bastogne and I found this video very interesting. Some sources have quoted that the battle of Elsenborn Ridge, which you have briefly mentioned, is a less known battle but a much more significant factor than the battle of Bastogne. As you mentioned, Bastogne was only to protect the flanks of the German attack whereas the main thrust was in the north to reach Antwerp. And it was at Elsenborn Ridge that the Americans stopped the Sixth Panzer division under Peiper and he was stopped dead there and forced to divert to alternative routes, greatly affecting the tight schedule of the German attack. This was brief mentioned in your video as well. Given the importance of this segment of the Battle of the Bulge, I hope that maybe you could highlight this in a separate video, especially since it is relatively unknown to most and probably deserves more credit. If the theSixth Panzer had not been stopped at Elsenborn Ridge, it is possible that the Germans might have reached Antwerp despite being held up at Bastogne.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

You may have a point - the 6Th army was to be the tip of the spear of the advance and it got stopped from the beginning. I'd need to find a decent book on this however

@dbsmrosario

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx Thank you for your reply....just want to clarify that I should not take credit for this point as is was not my deduction but something I read somewhere but can't remember the exact reference.

I remember when I found your channel many years ago and how You started a Punic War Podcast with a story about Patton. Little things like that are all that matter.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I used to like starting off with a ramble - happy that you've followed along for such a long time. Love the avatar as always

It's pretty simple to trace your heritage these days and it's a fascinating thing to do. If you're English as I am, Anglo-American, Canadian or Australian you're almost guaranteed to find that you have a royal connection if you go far enough back. I found I was a descendant of one of the daughters of Edward I then when my son did his we discovered my ex-wife, his mother, was descended from one of Edward I's other daughters. Small world which gets even smaller the further back you go.

Good video. Since my favorite movie is "the battle of the bulge", a joy to see this video.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Nice!

great episode

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks Alyosha (cool name btw)

1. I'm kind of surprised you didn't make a bigger deal about who McAuliffe was before Bastogne. He wasn't the CO of the 101st, that was General Taylor who was all the way in Washington attending a conference ( a sign of how completely the operation caught the Allies by surprise ) nor was he the second in command of the division, who I believe was in London at the time. He was the commander of the Division artillery. Basically he's the 2nd Assistant Manager of your local grocery store, about to be in charge when the store catches on fire. Considering that, I think he did a remarkable job, for a number of reasons. A: The 101st had just done a rest and refit deployment following coming off the line after market garden. In short it was still in the middle of being resupplied, and so he had a shortage of just about everything at the beginning. Nevertheless the 101st ( and the 82nd to their south who was in the same situation, and of course was also a paratrooper division ) were the among the first divisions after getting the order to the front to actually begin aggressive maneuvering. They weren't stationed at Bastogne and it got surrounded, they advanced to Bastogne and got surrounded. So stellar leadership throughout the Division, and the aggressive confidence of paratroops probably had a lot to do with it, but still a bold move. B: He basically copied ( albeit probably unknowingly ) Walter Modal's defensive model consisting of strong points manned with infantry and heavy guns supported by a mobile offensive unit to counter attack the enemy with that had stopped the Russians so effectively the year before when Army Group Center collapsed on the Eastern Front. This is not something that is easy to do, again I'm sure the elite nature of paratroopers helped in this, but as Arnhem shows elite paratroops can be overrun if not properly supported like anyone else. C: His particular nature of caring for the soldiers Morale during the Siege, especially the elements of the 10th Armor that had had a pretty bad couple of days 2. I mean maybe, but that would have quite literally gone against German doctrine established since at least 1939, the armor always bypasses any hardpoints of resistance and leave the mopping up to the infantry, and up till now it had worked mostly quite well. However the truth was that the Germans couldn't afford to leave behind enemy strongpoints and they couldn't afford to take the time to properly neutralize them, which is one of the reasons the plan was bonkers in the first place, which everyone but Hitler saw, and ironically why it was so initially successful as well 3 Here's the thing about this entire battle to me. Even if the German's were WILDLY successful, say they eventually overrun Bastogne and capture Antwerp, it is meaningless. At most they buy themselves another 6 months. In reality, they probably don't have the industrial capacity, reserves, or fuel to even reduce the now encircled British Troops, much less retake the offensive against the Americans. Allied Air Power would roam the sky at will, even supposing German factories weren't bombed night and day, it would take over a year to build the planes to even threaten the Allied Air Force. Sustained Offensive operations without at least Air Parity is simply suicide at this point, and German High Command knew this too. I think the only thing the "Best" option wins for the Germans in the end here is that the entirety of Germany becomes Communist after the war, instead of Half, and probably not even that. At the end of the day this plan was always bonkers, and the only reason it succeeded at first was because of how bonkers it is.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Nice response! Yeah this was almost an hour long - only so much I can fit into that time about McAuliffe. You're other points are spot on - especially the last one. For Germany this was truly a no win scenario

Thank you.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Welcome!

The little man with the funny mustache plan of reaching the designated objective of two days? I believe, blew up on his face, even though the allies were caught off guard the rally themselves with tenacity, and resolve that slowed the plan to a failrd halt! Our boys put up a "NUTISH" attack, and even though it was winter weather the skies clearance gave the whole battle a much needed break by getting allied planes into motion for much needed action! I guess you can say that Santa showed up with a bag of goodies for the good guys!

@FlashPointHx

8 ай бұрын

This attack was doomed to fail

nICLY DONE, THANKS, lEONA

One thing I have always thought about the Bulge was Hitler was so certain the line would be easy to take that he failed to think the logistics of a three army surge. The movie Hollywood produced played on the elitism that the leadership felt and the different point of view of the man on the ground. He failed to read about Napoleon and Waterloo. Great presentation too, thank you.

@FlashPointHx

27 күн бұрын

Hitler was a victim of his own success - after he pushed for the offensive in France and won, he was convinced he’d always be right. Then he made one massive mistake after another.

I think we also need to mention two very important events that led to the narrow victory of the americans in this battle. Firstly , the 101th and the 82 airborne where not yet in the positions mentioned when the German Operation began. It was the sole decision of Eisenhower to send these troops without approval by the Council. Secondly, had the 99th failed to hold their line (when all the rest were retreating) Patton would not have been able to reach Bastogne on time to save it.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Exactly - the elite division had yet to be deployed

@lyndoncmp5751

Жыл бұрын

Just as important to the Bulge as a whole was Eisenhower asking Montgomery to come down and take over command of all American forces in the north of the Bulge. Montgomery took over command of US 1st and 9th Armies on the 20th December and immediately started tidying the American lines up, moving them back to superior defensive positions and to refrain from pointless piecemeal counter attacks. Hodges, commander of US 1st Army, had a near nervous breakdown when the Germans attacked. He literally abandoned his HQ at Spa and retreated to Leige, while Bradley dithered and did very little. Eisenhower knew someone had to get a grip on the situation very very quickly and he knew that man was Montgomery, even though it wasn't Montgomerys fight. This was the only time in WW2 when a western allied commander was brought in to take over the running of a fellow allied army's ongoing battle. Naturally, it didn't sit well with some American generals, even though it was completely the correct decision. Bradley was bitter about it for the rest of his life and was never able to live it down.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 wow - did not know that

@lyndoncmp5751

Жыл бұрын

Flash Point History No worries. Its certainly a fascinating period. Its all true too. Bradley was very upset that Eisenhower have two of his armies to Montgomery to command, but he couldn't really argue with the decision. Bradley was cut off down in Luxembourg City and completely lost touch with what was going on in the north. Eisenhower very quickly recognised that he needed Montgomery to get down there ASAP. The first thing Montgomery did was to pull the American forces out of St Vith before they got cut off and surrounded. General Hasbrouck of the US 7th Armored Division said this saved his division from annihilation, while General Gavin of the US 82nd Airborne said that although he hated to retreat, he knew that the new defensive positions west of St Lo were far superior and gave his division much more possibilities. Cheers.

@nickdanger3802

Жыл бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 He (Montgomery) had told Eisenhower's deputy chief of operations, the British officer Jock Whitley, that Eisenhower should put him in command of all troops north of the German penetration. Somebody, Montgomery added, meaning either the Combined Chiefs of Staff, of which Brooke was a member, or the British Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, should give Eisenhower "a direct order ... to do so." page 416 A Time For Trumpets MacDonald

Thanks!

@FlashPointHx

11 ай бұрын

Hey CJ - thank you so much! Very much appreciated!

Here we go again. Thank you so much. I love this style. I devour anything relating to Roman history but WW2 is a close 2nd

@ScipioAfricanus_Chris

Жыл бұрын

If you like Roman history, check out his Punic War series. It is the best work ever done on the topic. It's entertaining and exceptionally detailed and informative. Short of reading a Strauss or a Goldsworthy book, you'll never get that level of detail.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Wow thanks - need to pay you more often for comments like this ;)

@ScipioAfricanus_Chris

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx lol, my pleasure. A new payment schedule can be arranged 😉

@hamishmitchell884

Жыл бұрын

@@ScipioAfricanus_Chris Absolutely, actually, the Punic series was the 1st one I watched and I totally agree with you. It was well researched and a joy to listen to. Mike Duncan's podcast History of Rome is another great listen.

@ScipioAfricanus_Chris

Жыл бұрын

@@hamishmitchell884 Mike Duncan's is definitely another great one! It covers the empire's history in its entirety.

My family goes back to 350 AD. Ireland. Nial of the 9 Hostages. They were the most famous cattle rustlers of their time ;-)

A wonderful introducing & explaining what occurred in Bastogne during WW2 at 1944....1- it seems to me that Field American General Orchestrated Best Defense lines & troops under his commander they Did best they could 2- German Offensive efforts also they did best they could when accounting their Miserable Circumstances at 1944.3- American Military efforts at 1944 Obviously proved its quantity capability superiority which Orchestrated best logistic supports in Bastogne operation

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Hey mohammed - thanks for the responses - I agree I think that the defense was superb - same for the 2nd - I actually think the Germans got further than they should have considering the situation. Well said of the 3rd.

New subscriber, here, and something of an amateur military historian, myself. ExceIlent analysis of this battle, and the lead-up to it. I think that anytime a strategy is solely based, and needs without doubt to go off without any hitch, on such a tight timetable AND the capture of enemy fuel dumps, it's a recipe for failure, especially when you're relying on your enemy to fold in the face of your attacks. It reminds me of the axiom, and I don't remember who said it, that, if you're going to into battle, remember your enemy also gets a vote; Hitler and OKH forgot about that and it ultimately brought about their downfall much more quickly.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

I agree - this battle only served to deplete the Third Reich's ability to fight. Plus any attack that has no contingency plans and some room for compromise when objectives aren't reached is going to be one that is destined to fail

Good job, I already subscribed

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

This was very well done. The American defense of Bastogne relied on good weather. Brandenburg strategy was a defensive one at first. A great deal of the SS went on to try to reach the Muese river. So that left a great many Volksgrenadiers to attack Bastogne. A lot of those units had veterans and combat support groups who were not used to combat. Patton was always concerned about the Ardennes. But he dud not think the Germans could mount any kind of offensive. When he heard about the attack he started moving his 4th Armored division north. He also had to keep his eyes on Strasbourg. Which would also see a German Offensive which failed. Lots of luck for the allies,but a lot of guts too.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

I don't think the German plan would ever have worked - even if they did make it to Antwerp - they wouldn't have held it for long

I have read that the unsung heros of the battle of the buldge were American enginers who took down bridges right and left delaying the german advance until the weather cleared. The germans were behind schedule with in 24 hours of the beginning of the attack and it only got worse because they couldn't get ahead of the American engineers and their high explosives.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Yeah absolutely! One broken bridge would have been critical hours to regroup

didnt get a notification.. . youtubes trash, but i stay hunting that flashpoint page for such situations. siege of __________ , im sold.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

hahah - Enjoy wink

Bro!! / You smashed all the Dutchie Place names FIRST TIME!!!!, 👏👏👏👏

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

😁 yyaaaasssss!!!

Nah I think their 'high-water mark', or 'dirty bath ring' as we call it, was definitely more than they deserve credit for.

General McAuliffe definitely has some Spartan heritage.

Mccauliff's Christmas message to the troops. Parts of it were presented on "Band of Brothers:" Headquarters 101st Airborne Division Office of the Division Commander 24 December 1944 What's so Merry about all this, you ask? We're fighting-it's cold-we aren't home. All true but what has the proud Eagle Division accomplished with its worthy comrades of the 10th Armored division, the 705th Tank Destroyer Battalion and all the rest? Just this: we have stopped cold everything that has been thrown at us from the North, East, South and West. We have identifications from four German Panzer Divisions, two German Infantry Divisions and one German Parachute Division. These units, spearheading the last desperate German lunge, were headed straight west for key points when the Eagle Division was hurriedly ordered to stem the advance. How effectively this was done will be written in history; not alone in our Division's glorious history but in World history. The Germans actually did surround us, their radio's blared our doom. Their Commander demanded our surrender in the following impudent arrogance. December 22nd, 1944 To the U.S.A Commander of the encircled town of Bastogne. The fortune of war is changing. This time the U.S.A forces in and near Bastogne have been encircled by strong German armored units. More German armored units have crossed the river Ourthe near Ortheuville, have taken Marche, and reached St. Hubert by passing through Hombres Sibret-Tillet. Libramont is in German hands. There is only one possibility to save the encircled U.S.A Troops from total annihilation: that is the honorable surrender of the encircled town. In order to think it over a term of two hours will be granted beginning with the presentation of this note. If this proposal should be rejected one German Artillery Corps and six heavy A.A Battalions are ready to annihilate the U.S.A Troops in and near Bastogne. The order for firing will be given immediately after this two hours term All the serious civilian losses caused by this Artillery fire would not correspond with the well known American humanity. The German Commander The German Commander received the following reply: 22 December 1944 To the German Commander: NUTS! The American Commander Allied troops are counterattacking in force. We continue to hold Bastogne. By holding Bastogne we assure the success of the Allied Armies. We know that our Division commander, General Taylor, will say: Well Done! We are giving our country and our loved ones at home a worthy Christmas present and being privileged to take part in this gallant feat of arms are truly making ourselves a Merry Christmas. A.C. McAuliffe Commanding.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

this was awesome! Thanks for posting all this

When you look at tanks, one of the things that mattered the most to German supremacy early on, is the use of radio communications, allowing for air support to be called in and coordinated movements to be achieved. The odds were completely stacked against the Germans this time. You might want to look into the French defeat and French high command in 1940 for more context. :) They didn't stand a chance with such competent US commanders opposing them, aside from the supplies and I4m sure the weather didn't help in the end. Keep it up, I'm loving it!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Such a good point!! I totally forgot to add the part about Radios in each tank. If Robert E Lee had radio communication, he would have won Gettysburg

It's rather amazing that the Germans got as far as they did, with as little supplies. They had no chance of winning it, the commanding officers and generals knew it.

Love listening to this while playing Hearts of Iron 4 ! Total immersion haha

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

That’s a good combo

Your pronunciation of the Dutch cities in Operation Market Garden was very good.👍

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😃

awesome episode!! congrats!!! It would be cool to analyze the logistics of Hannibal. I mean, the man spent 14 years in Italy!!!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Right? I did a series on the entire Punic Wars and there is not that much info on that part of his time in Italy other than where he moved and attacked

@mexicoenimagenes5086

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx Yes! I saw you series on the Punic Wars, it was very good as well. Too bad the Hannibal logistics are lost to history. We can only imagine what those supply chains were. Theft, barter, martial law, etc.

Still recall watching the old school movie “battle of the bulge” - the German commander is dismayed when they find freshly made cake from America noting that they (the allies) have enough planes and fuel to fly cake over for its troops whereas Germany is struggling to have enough fuel for this attack

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

I remember this scene!! The enemy has no concept of defeat

@xe2594

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx yes! exactly- shattering for the German commander mentality going in- think this is after they all break into song next to their tanks to display they are fighting men.

The germans all knew it was a gamble but it could have gone better for them but for the bravery and strategy of the allies. McCaulif turned his advantages into a fortress. Once the skies cleared, the Germans were facing a strong headwind since the allies ruled the skies by this point. Can you imagine being a German officer watching hundreds of transports dropping supplies to your enemy with zero opposition? Logistics, logistics, logistics!!!

Yes yes, My Man, mentioned the hype of subsequent fans and commentators..and counter commentators . Thanks for that.

@nickdanger3802

Жыл бұрын

Churchill Care must be taken in telling our proud tale not to claim for the British Army an undue share of what is undoubtedly the greatest American battle of the war and will, I believe, be regarded as an ever famous American victory. below 416 Hansard WAR SITUATION AND FOREIGN POLICY HC Deb 18 January 1945 page

great narration! too traumatic times! I personal like too see "Underwater Demolition Teams" UDT lots of adventure an daring, but under water or black ops operations not seen. PT boat with black rubber assault rafts, seemed film worthy! dad had stories of joining on 8th, volunteering UDT, he'll week, guerilla warfare, swimming up water towers at sub school, then Pacific war on bora bora, etc. keeping score of k-Bar knife kills at night! these guys need a movie or two!

Gen. McAuliffe's famous answer, "NUTS" carved his name into American history forever. He was the ad hoc commander of the 101st Airborne Div. at the time. The regular commander , Gen. Maxwell Taylor was in Washington attending a military conference. The original answer to the intimidating German demand for surrender was , "Aw, nuts". It was McAuliffe's standard way of not using more profane language. The staff officers led by Lt. Col. Kinnard (of later Vietnam airmobile fame) suggested that "Nuts" was the best reply to German surrender demand. The confused German commander asked the 101 Airborne 's messenger (Col. Joseph Harper) what that meant. Harper further clarified the message by saying , "It means go to hell". Gen. McAuliffe brilliantly represented his Irish roots & will forever be classified as a prolific SON OF ST. PATRICK !!!!!! TY Flash Point History 4 giving me an opportunity to pay homage to my favorite saint, the insurmountable St. Patrick.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

I can tell by the way you write just how passionate you are about history. You're right - The American Army had the right man for the job in this story

That was excellent. You're pronuciation included. Mostly. Thanks a bundle dude....

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

For all that have enjoyed band of brother, id like to say ive had the honor of meeting "Buck" aka Neal Mcdonough in my early bartending days at a catering party and the man was just wonderful. He wanted to talk more about other actors and how cool it was working with some of the more famous ones.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

So cool!! Yeah he seemed like a nice guy on screen - awesome to know he kept that up in real life

@Aothis

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx This is my first time finding your channel from the algorithm and I enjoyed this video so much consider me a Sub now. Thanks for the content!

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

@@Aothis Cool Nate! Welcome aboard!

finally some world war content

Volkswagen with treads that's pretty good too hahaha

You mentioned the carrying of siphoning hoses. The significance might be expanded. The lack of fuel condemned the Germans to constraining vehicle movement. They had believed they would seize fuel from supply dumps, so needed to keep to their time table. They quickly were several days behind. Tanks and artillery were severely constrained. On the first day recanoyter platoon held up a division for twelve hours.

Well, one observation I have is to never doubt the ability to move an army through the Ardennes. Especially after you doubted they could, and then they did.

@lyndoncmp5751

Жыл бұрын

Well they didn't though. They only moved part of the way through the Ardennes. They were stopped by rivers, hilly terrain, forests and stubborn defenses. They failed to reach the River Meuse after all.

@craigmorris4083

Жыл бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751, but the German army had already gone through the Ardennes in 1940. Fall Gelb or something like that. They failed to get to the river more from opposition that terrain, not to mention the very tight logistics.

It was Forth Down and Goal. Bases were loaded. Shot clock is nearing ZERO and our Five minute penalty with two men in the box has just began. We got this.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

hahahah - Piece of cake

Market Garden didn’t even look good on paper. There were many who thought it was lunacy from the get go.

Afaik in German records, the southern and western fronts in the end were always seen as a side show that needed to be fought to help delay a collapse to allow to delay the Soviets in the east and hopefully get a conditional peace treaty with the western allies (which they did not want at this point).

Dear Flash Point History, I will happily compliment you on your efforts to pronounce the Dutch names. It's good beyond workable. You are not the Louis van Gaal of Dutch names. If you do not know that football/soccer coach or the memes about him, look his fails up and enjoy.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that - I''ll look up this man that you mentioned as well.

@opperbuil

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx I can offer you this link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c3hlyqx8icbWddY.html He's very good in litteral translations of Dutch sayings

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

@@opperbuil He's kind of funny- he's trying so hard to get his point across

All the Generals did exactly what they should have in my opinion. I'm no expert. My father was with Patton's 3rd army during this time. They called the defenders," the battling bastards of Bastogne, no mama, no papa, no Uncle Sam." Then Patton turned north to relieve them. My Dad was with the 70th infantry division and spent 80 days on the line before and during that fight and the cleanup.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing - I bet your dad saw some horrific things. I've talked to other WW2 vets who came in after the Bulge and the consensus was that same - moving into Germany was no cakewalk

Bastogne was given so much publicity because it was the only area in the larger Battle of the Bulge were Americans were in Command. The town had been bypassed by the bulk of the German forces, its relief was inconsequential. But its defense and rescue by Patton was given all the publicity far exceeding its military value. Though General Montgomery commanded his own 21st Army Group on the Meuse River, he was ordered by Eisenhower to replace Bradley in command of the US 15th Army Group for the duration of the battle. It was the US 1st and 9th Armies under Monty that defeated the German advance. However the Americans gave no credit at all to these men as they were commanded by a British General. The Americans loved to belittle Monty but at this pivotal battle he was given command of all US troops North and West of Bastogne. Bradley who should have commanded all US forces was sidelined, he had just lost 100,000 casualties at Metz and the Hertgen Forrest against a vastly inferior enemy. Eisenhower kept him in the rear until the battle was won, some weeks later promoting him to stop his protests.

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Bradley never lived it down

@billballbuster7186

Жыл бұрын

@@FlashPointHx Very true and Bradley got some revenge is his role as military advisor to movies and documentaries 1950-70. Bradley was incompetent, his casualties for 15th AG were enormous, some estimates say over 250,000. But as Eisenhower had appointed him, this was all hushed up. Eisenhower did realize Bradley could never have stopped the Germans, so Monty was put in command and the episode whitewashed over as if it never happened.

Awesome Details! From Western Australia

@FlashPointHx

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you! Happy you liked it Van

From what I understand,the allies could have killed Hitler But,as the war progresses they see how insane the man has become tacticaly making insane moves on the chess board.They didn't want anybody else taking over,which could have extended the war.Let him keep making blunders buy not falling back and regrouping.

Neat.

At 20:30, to answer the question: imo I believe the whole German plan was dependent (too much indeed) on the weather - which in itself unpredictable and, therefore, not dependent. So, as soon as the weather improved, the Germans would have lost anyway and they would have been devastaded by allied air power; and the majority of the german officers knew that... However, they did anyway, and the results speak for themselves!!!