Thanks for making this video. I'm new to hand tools and have no idea about anything. This really helped me decide on buying a rabbeting plane before a shoulder plane.

As an alternative to the fixed mouth rabbet plane; the Stanley 93 rabbet plane has an adjustable mouth so it can take fine or course cuts. The front can also be removed transforming it into it a chisel plane. I find it to be a very useful tool.

Perfect timing. I had just convinced myself that the problem with my shoulder plane was (Stanley 92) its size and I needed the bigger one. As luck would have it, the LV Seconds sale was all sold out. Then I watched your video and thank you for saving my wallet! I just need to tune the rabbet planes better and get them to work! Great video as always.

Great show as usual. The lag is annoying BUT, the wealth of information that is being shared here is invaluable to many. Add to that fact that this knowledge is being given away freely makes this a show that I for one would sorely miss if it was gone. I find this channel to be an incredible resource. I can overlook the lag. So Shannon.. Please dont get frustrated and quilt.

I rarely get to watch these live, but I did this time. Please continue doing these live. Your experience and the way you present the material are terrific. Plus, you use words like “Machiavellian”.

@RenaissanceWW

3 жыл бұрын

I'll try to work "zymurgy" into the next one

Great video, thank you for frank and honest discussion.

I am currently doing furniture making at a Technical college, and in Stage 1 the first tools they encourage us to buy are a good set of chisels and we learn how to use chisels to do fine work in cleaning up the joinery. On the list of tools to buy before we graduate, a shoulder plane is on the tool list, but it is there primarily to refine joinery made on machine tools.

Excellent video - personable and knowledgeable.

Thank you for the info! Wasn't able to catch it live. Family dinners always screwing up the plan 🤣

Thanks a lot for this video , definitely it help me. I usually use a Stanley Bullnose 077 while building furnitures. I recon that a router or a table saw Would do most grooves/rebate removals from pieces. But sometimes there are tailored rebates to be doned in unsquare pieces that must be adapted to existent structures , and in that case a sharp and precise rebate plane can be usefull and a pleasure to use. Could happen in sash windows. I definitely agree about using a chisel to flatten tenon cheeks too , very practical. Thanks very helpfull video

Nice video workshop on the use of especially the wooden rabbetplane 👌 Regarding refining the cheek of a tenon i us the veritas routerplane together with a self made very accurate hardwoid extension blade. This method delivrrs me a very nice fit with long open mortise and tenon joints

when using a chisel on a tenon shoulder I find a corner chisel really useful. I also find a number 8 gouge a backup anytime I need to remove a lot of wood from something and I don't have a more specialised tool.

I have a Veritas medium shoulder plane. I do use it often - particularly across grain and for rabbets, but it is the second tool to touch that wood. I'm doing shiplap for the back of a cabinet and I wanted the rabbets to look clean. My Veritas rabbet plane went first to hog off the majority and then the shoulder plane in either direction to deal with tear out. I am considering investing in better saws though to help with tenons and dovetails though to avoid tedious clean up. So who knows what will happen with my shoulder plane in the future.

Hi I only get a lag from the second camera it doesn't make me want to not watch Thanks for the content

I think this is the 2nd time I watched this. First time was a couple of years ago. I always reach for my 2" chisel or my slick to flatten those surfaces. In fact this is the reason that I am planning on purchasing several different timber framing chisels so that I have a really long registration surface with the handle out of the way.

I have a Record 078 rabbet plane that is quite different than what you are talking about. Thats why I dialed into this chat.

@RenaissanceWW I actually just used a borrowed Record 073 1” shoulder plane to take the bow out of a 130 year old door frame without tearing it out to accommodate a new slab door. They can be pretty useful in non joinery situations where you need to cut the full plane width. Hey, if you’re looking for a buyer for that Veritas I’d be happy to buy it. New they’re back ordered until July and I have an itch that needs scratching, ha. Great content!

Thanks to those who emailed me with specific suggestions on the audio sync issues. I'm hoping I have a solution and will do some testing this week to see if I can correct the frame rate discrepancy.

Thank you, I have been waiting for this kind of tutorial for years. You have made total sense. I only use my Veritas medium shoulder plane just for shoulders. Cheers Alan (from the UK)

This is really good content, want to be KZread friends?

@RenaissanceWW

3 жыл бұрын

What an honor! KZread friends? Do I get a badge? Maybe a decoder ring?

@mcremona

3 жыл бұрын

@@RenaissanceWW I believe you get a plugging

@tommyacedo391

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcremona butt plugging

I would like to send you a photo of a vintage metal rabbit plane with no identifcation as to who made it, and most interesting the blade which came with it is shapened like a knife. Please help us ID it: ... OORAH!!

What if your shoulder is much longer than your saw?

watched the replay the slightly off audio sink did not get in the way of the great content. I need to catch up on some of the past live streams. all ways good stuff

I think the same, chisel is understimated, but consider you that there is a place where a large shoulder plane can be usefull? As big tables tenon or something like that?

Shannon, after I saw your recommendation on the rabbit block plane, I was wondering what you thought of utilizing a chisel plane for tenon cheeks. I think you've convinced me to give that a try, and then I guess I need to find a buyer for my brand new large shoulder plane. Another "rookie mistake", thinking that a large shoulder plane could perform both small and large shoulders. I'm sure that Lie-Nielsen had listed this tool in their recommended "Core Tools".

@aaronkessman7832

3 жыл бұрын

Also curious about your thoughts about this!

Shannon. Can you talk about router planes. New vs old (vintage). I have a small one I use to clean up dadoes, would like a larger one to create dadoes. Thanks

Just confirming the importance of buying good chisels. I have a nice set of Narex Richters But if I could afford a complete set of of high end Japanese chisels those are the gold standard.

IF YOU ARE DOING CRAFT TYPE ITEMS BOXES ETC. IS IT BETTER TO FINE TUNE SHOULDER AND THIN AND VERY SHORT TENONS WITH A FILE

I had the skew block plane ready an hitting confirm purchase within a minute an couldn't get it

if you weren't using your shoulder plane how did you fit tenons? I don't think I could do that job without it and most of my projects are full of M&T

Nice as usual, which 1.5” chisel would you recommend, I prefer old tools

@RenaissanceWW

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I don't recommend chisel brands at all because I've had great experience with every chisel I've picked up once it is fettled and sharpened properly. Some modern tools will boast technologically superior steel and durability and this is true. But in practice I haven't found them to function really any better than a 300 year old chisel in a paring cut where I'm not overly stressing the edge. A mortise chisel will benefit from more durable steel but even the vintage English pattern mortise chisels I have used still have exceptional durability when used correctly. And there is the heart of the matter. A chisel sharpened well and used well will work great irrespective of the brand. So to answer your question, get an old tool. In fact you will find many more options when you get up to chisels wider than 1" in the vintage world. Modern makers don't deal much in these larger varieties. My favorite chisel is a 2" wide Buck brothers chisel that I picked up on ebay about 12 years ago. What I used in the video happened to be a Blue Spruce 1.5" chisel and that is an outstanding chisel because I had to do no work to it. But it doesn't work any better than the Buck Brothers chisel...I just had to put a lot of work into getting that flat and ground and sharp (and remaking the handle). So go nuts, any brand will do.

@MrOlaboss

Жыл бұрын

@@RenaissanceWW I watched your video again now 2 years later. I so appreciate your teachings! All what you are saying is making so much sense. I got ahold of quite a few chisels of old vintage and I am having fun using them. Now I am crazy about old wooden planes and I was eyeballing those beautiful moving fillister and grooving planes with gorgeous fences. I have to stop myself because I can do all work with my Stanley 45 and a few rabbet planes. I am trying my hardest to follow Schwartz advice from the anarchist tool chest and not go overboard buying stuff. One question though, with skew blade rabbet wooden bodied plane, do you only use one side? I can see the plane wanting to move in the direction of the blade angle. Thanks again! Ola

@RenaissanceWW

Жыл бұрын

@@MrOlaboss Yes it does want to pull towards the skew but you can still use them in either direction. I do this all the time in fact. Its another reason why I like the fenceless nature of a simple wooden rabbet plane.

Great show! Thank you. Do you have a video showing us how to make a rabbet plane? Or is there a place to buy them? And last question, does anyone other than Lie Nielsen make a Rabbetting Block Plane?

@RenaissanceWW

3 жыл бұрын

No I've never made a Rabbet plane. Probably because they are so plentiful on the vintage market. And that's where I would buy them. They are so simple that just about any one you find can be put back to work easily. There are modern makers of wooden rabbet planes but once you get one you will want a few more and the vintage route is the best option. Regarding the rabbet block I know there are some Chinese manufacturers who are essentially replicating the Lie Nielsen but I can't speak to their quality. I'm dubious to say the least.

@dhc1802

3 жыл бұрын

@@RenaissanceWW thank you!

@aaronkessman7832

3 жыл бұрын

Yup.. Got mine from hyperkitten. $40 for a great tool.

I got the ONLY shoulder plane from the Lee Valley sale site. Score!

Why do you call a rebate plane a Rabbit? It's doesn't look like a Rabbit so how did a rebate plane become a Rabbit plane in America? Best wishes from England .

@RenaissanceWW

Жыл бұрын

Well first we spell it Rabbet, not rabbit so it has nothing to do with the animal. But I haven't looked into this enough to really answer it. I suspect its typical American slang where someone misunderstood an accent when someone said "rebate" and over the years it became rabbet. I blame all those Scots-Irish cabinetmakers who settled in New England.

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