Tom needs some sunlight. Richard, let him out of the basement.

@shrodeseva

8 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of Richmond from the IT Crowd

@danjcollins26

8 жыл бұрын

Josh Schreuder YES. So much. Just needs some black hair and he's got it down.

@danjcollins26

8 жыл бұрын

***** It's a joke man don't try and dissect it.

@creativebusinessunit7506

4 жыл бұрын

i lol'd

0:07 Rich is like: "Dude this was my part!"

@sploit777

8 жыл бұрын

Haha totally, he looks so pissed

I have a Samsung 850 EVO 1Tb inside my PS4, and as you guys allready pointed out, the difference varies a lot. Still in many games, installation of games, applying updates and overall OS functionality it's a big difference. Not worth the price of a top of the line SSD, but had a few extra drives lying around, so definitely worth it.

@Nonlifting_breezy

3 жыл бұрын

So do I but do you have boost mode on?

@wille84fin

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonlifting_breezy Of course.

0:14 Richard looks really impatient like he's just waiting for Tom's lines to be over so he can speak

@hadleighmurad

5 жыл бұрын

He just can't wait until he gets to say 'The Wichard 3'

0:25 What's behind the camera?? John looks so disgusted! Edit: John? Who the fuck is John? I meant Rich...

@f4z0

8 жыл бұрын

+TheEvilMammal He realized his buddy didn't reflect on the camera lens...

@fabrifica

8 жыл бұрын

+TheEvilMammal He´s Tom

@needlessoptions

8 жыл бұрын

+TheEvilMammal lmao

Been using an SSD in PS4 for a few months now. Difference is very significant, even when just navigating the interface, looking at screenshots... etc. I would recommend it. Anyway, thanks DF for yet another informative and well put together video.

@Keepskatin

8 жыл бұрын

+shtik Definitely they didn't test that.Loading apps,streaming games,moving through the menus,updates,everything is faster and smooth.

@justreflex3404

8 жыл бұрын

+shtik A SSD for a PS4 is only paying off if you are planning to play with it all the time in my opinion.

@shtiken

8 жыл бұрын

+JustRefleX I use the PS4 mostly for exclusives, still very much worth it in my opinion. of course whether it's worth it or not is subjective.

@shtiken

8 жыл бұрын

Gamesworld Blocked.

@shtiken

8 жыл бұрын

+WehrBlitz42 Some older DF tests suggest that, but personally I don't know as I've never tried a 7200 HDD. However a hybrid SSHD is only slightly more expensive than a 7200 HDD.

1:25, what was that? Was that 'The Wichard 3'?

@NonsensicalSpudz

8 жыл бұрын

+Matthew N bloodborne

@Axisoflords

8 жыл бұрын

+Matthew N ...They say and list the game they're running...You didn't pick up on that?

@ZacElCapitan

8 жыл бұрын

+Matthew N No one got the joke : "THE WICHARD 3" RICHARD BAHAHAHAHAHA

@fabrifica

8 жыл бұрын

+Matthew N Hi here´s Wichard from DF

@Axisoflords

8 жыл бұрын

Polo Surf I don't pick up on terrible attempts at jokes. Mind telling me?

ps4 pro supports sata 3, you guys need to do a new stock HDD vs SSHD vs SSD video

@happyspaceinvader508

4 жыл бұрын

Thanos is coming Do you have a link for information on that?

@happyspaceinvader508

4 жыл бұрын

Thanos is coming That was an over-elaborate way of saying “no”. I’ve got a PS4 Pro with a Crucial 2TB SSD in it right now, and I don’t see any recent performance improvement whatsoever. You’re the one making the claim... so your responsibility to provide evidence to back it up. I’m not going hunting for videos on KZread that may not exist.

@kravez16

4 жыл бұрын

Thanos is coming You going to keep talking out your bottom or provide some proof like Happy Spaceinvader said, my guess is no 😂😂

@DakhniURDU

4 жыл бұрын

Thanos is coming you’re dumb

Love your videos guys. I always watch them as soon as they upload :-). Keep them up.

SSD won't reach full potential at 3Gb/s sata speeds, it could easily pull an extra 200MB/s if it were sata 6Gb/s easily.

@M1nat0

5 жыл бұрын

It's somewhere in between. The PS4 Pro's connection is Sata 3, but the controller on the mobo is rated for Sata 2

@toddthegod3222

4 жыл бұрын

Late response but the ssd even on a sata 3 will be bottlenecked by the rest of the ps4 hardware. The difference is there with the sata 3 connection but its not as capable as a pc

@Hijynx87

4 жыл бұрын

@@toddthegod3222 Still way nicer and less popin.

@chrisv.6951

4 жыл бұрын

@@toddthegod3222 so what would u suggest, my sons ps4 pro's stock hard drive is dead, what would u replace it with today in 2020?

@toddthegod3222

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisv.6951 Depends ofc on how much you are willing to spend and how many games your son wants to store on his ps4 pro. high amount of games + low budget = go for an 1 tb hdd low-Moderate amount of games+ medium budget range = go for a 500gb ssd high amount of games + high budget = go for an 1 tb ssd Ssd's are of course better than hdd's (even if they are bottlenecked by the current hardware) both in game and in the ps4 menu. It is up to you if you are willing to spend the money for it

Awesome review! Here in the US, a 2TB SSD is somewhere between $700~$1,000us. I got a 2TB SSHD for $95us. I REALLY can't see the benefit of spending $600us more, for a couple less seconds of load times. Since upgrading I've notice a nice decrease in load times for Fallout 4. It would be nice to have the faster SSD, but I'm happy with the faster performance of the SSHD, and $600us in my pocket... Now when SSD's come down a little more, or I get some crazy money, all bets are off, LOL!

Will you test the PS4PRO HDD vs. SSD?

I choose the Hybrid so I can store more games, but the SSD is a beast

For Bloodborne the best way to reduce the amount of time you spend looking at loading screens is to just get better at the game :D

@bojidarmartinov5949

8 жыл бұрын

lol

@Joggy

8 жыл бұрын

+Sergio Xisto So That's What I've Been Doing Wrong

@Dorraj

8 жыл бұрын

Well, just grind until you're OP at the part you're stuck at like every other RPG. I did that and am halfway through my new game+ playthrough and haven't died once. It's fantastic.

@mbsfaridi

8 жыл бұрын

+Sergio Xisto I think, hacking the game to run on a pc through a ramdisk would be easier :D

@VentusK

8 жыл бұрын

+yomamaisonfier >grind until you're OP lol

Great and bold idea to put an SSD on a PS4 I always like the dedication you put in your videos Don't you think it would be fun and interesting what happens if you put an external SSD on a Wii U?

Could you please test the SSHD speed after several respawns of the same location/characters/assets? I assume the strength of SSHD is in re-accessing the same cached data repeatedly.

+DigitalFoundry what about TRIM? Is it enabled? Is it advisable to install SSD on PS4 without native TRIM support in Orbis?

I love these types of test

Exactly what I was looking for again thanks

Does the newest CUH-1200 PS4 model use that same weird internal SATA II to USB bridge? If not, would it benefit any more than the older models from an SSD?

+DigitalFoundry Mind doing a load time test with the Nyko Data Bank seeing as it uses a 3.5" HDD for the PS4.

wait the base drive is 5400rpm? wtf sony

@NonsensicalSpudz

8 жыл бұрын

***** talk about 2007 haha

@Axisoflords

8 жыл бұрын

+NonsensicalSpudz You should be more annoyed at the god-awful drive size.

@NonsensicalSpudz

8 жыл бұрын

Rhyan Chalmers yeah mine is 70% i have to delete stuff every so often

@GurvirSingh64

8 жыл бұрын

+NonsensicalSpudz Also sata 2...

@Axisoflords

8 жыл бұрын

NonsensicalSpudz I had to pull my PS4 apart a little to install a 1TB (thankfully 7200RPM) drive just to stop giving me a headache about drive space. Sony were idiots in making that decision.

Apart from game loading times, how does SSD perform opening other apps and also turning the console on and off?

Very good test, thank you very much. Have wanted to know how BloodBorne would benefit from an ssd, for quite a while.

Anyone else notice that stare Richard gave Tom @0:08?! LMAO!

Love this channel. Your accent are music to my ears too :D

I upgraded to 2tb HDD (space in more important to me than speed) I noticed the new drive is faster but after a while (when I filled it with games) I noticed it got slower than the stock one. I know it's not a PC but could there be a relation between the space used and the drive's speed?

Hey, if you record with 3x or 6x more speed, that means the original loading time is significantly longer?

Is there a SSD that is at least 1TB that you guys could recommend for the PS4? I've heard about loud chirping noises occurring when upgrading to a 1TB HDD or higher, does the more capacity cause the PS4 to overheat faster? Normally I'd test these things out myself but I don't have the time for that or frankly the money so I'd much appreciate your thoughts on this matter. Thanks.

I have a question I cannot answer: Does a SSD make less noise than de standard HDD? (in my case, PS4 Pro).

@timbervandenhul9383

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe, most consoles have fans that are louder than your hdd. If you can hear the hdd then yes it will be less loud.

Have they run a similar test on X1? I'd be interested in seeing if there was any difference in speed gain.

Thanks for this fellas! So an SSD is quite drastically superior in most examples here. I'm looking at getting a 1/2tb SSD for my PS4 when I get more money saved or when they come down a bit more in price (average 2tb SSD is still about £500!). My question about this now is is there a difference between SSD models performing in a PS4? is it worth testing various different models of SSD or will they perform relatively the same?

What are the RPM's in the Hybrid? Also I like to see another video like this comparing the SSHD, so we can see if after a while still holds to its value.

But what about during game play? I don’t know much about this, but does an ssd improve with, like framerates and etc?

when you are doing these tests do you have automatic deep color (on) or (off)

I don't know that much about hard drives, but how come the SSHD has the same rpm as the standard HDD of the PS4? Wouldn't 5400+rpm such as 7200rpm and above eventually end up in faster results?

does this affect frame rate or only load times

I'm not that familiar with the way PS4 records the screen, that is there a certain buffer somewhere, or (as I assume) it is saving the videofile straight to the HDD. If that is the case then I wonder how will the SSD comply in the long run, as in continuous writing wears it down in much higher scale compared to traditional HDD. I've actually installed SSD to my PS3 which improved the loading times clearly, but the thought of constant writing with the PS4 is a bit of a consern to me.

Quite interesting that stock 1 Tb PS4 offers significantly better loading times which approximately equal those of hybrid HDD. Tested it on Bloodborne and Witcher 3

i love how the hybrid has absolutely no information about the actual drive performances printed on the drive. it doesn't show R/W times, it doesn't show transfer speeds. it doesn't even show how fast the spin is or how big the NAND cache is. now i know from them talking it is a 1TB 5400rpm with 8GB NAND cache. BUT my point is that it isn't fucking printed on the damn disk itself, which is a huge annoyance when you are dealing with client pc's, or just later reference when u forget. i have an issue with this, cause i HATE searching the model number and then spend an uncertain amount of time looking for a site that actually has those specs listed.

Does the 3x time mean that if you time the loading to 15s was it really loading for 45s?

Excellent video. I'll be using this to test against my 2TB 7200RPM HDD.

My only question is if you put say a Samsung 860 EVO in your PS4 or PS4 Pro how can you update the firmware on the SSD as Samsung releases firmware periodically.

Hello, When I use extermal ssd samsung t5 for ps4 pro.... are best only loadings times? or.. for example open rpg world... best loading textures on world and more... on ssd than hdd? some experience? ...

Although the X1 can't replace the internal HD, I would like to see a test of X1 with a External SSHD, SSD and the Internal drive.

Would the next size up ssd work?, 480gb is not enough. TRN100-25SAT3-960G would be better don't you think?

Can you please do another test on PS4 Pro when it launches now that it has SATA3? The new Seagate SSHD FireCuda looks promising as well as the newer OCZ TR150 SSD. I, and many others, would greatly appreciate this test! Thanks!

Awesome video! What about a 7200 rpm HDD? Do they make a 10,000 rpm?

It's good to see this done now, because most people who did these articles, did them at the launch of the PS4. There's newer SSD's now as well as larger games with more harsh requirements but also optimisations too. I've got an SSD in mine and I bought Witcher 3 2 months ago and haven't played it yet, having seen the performance in this review, OUCH :/ that's kind of appalling. Appreciate the review, this kind of stuff is interesting.

Any difference in game play? When I play fifa 19 online then ever i have stutters. Can ssd help in this problem?

I know it's not the best but the first thing I did with my PS4 is upgraded it to a 1TB Western Digital Black. I've heard that there's not much of a difference the 5400 and 7200 RPM drives on the PS4 since the console was designed with 5400. Regardless I don't think the load times are that bad with my Western Digital Black 1TB.

LOL at 0:06 Richard is all like "You fockin wot m8?"

i wonder why on pc with an intel ssd the loading time for the witvher 3 is only about 10 to 15 seconds...

Hey digital foundry team i suggest that you do a video on how far you can overclock a watercooled gpu or cpu.thanks.

I'm currently replacing my seagate 2tb hdd from my ps4 as ir corrupted and caused alot of problems due to constant malfunctions on the operating system. this all happened due to the normal updates to the console. I have replaced it with the stock drive and is working fine again. but the problem is the size. I want to get a minimum 2tb hard drive. which hard drive is rhe best in terms of stability and being able to rewrite it's own firmware update when the ps4 is updated. many thanks

I like SSD, loved them from the first day they came up, i really hope OCZ's got better after they went bankrupt the first time. Because i had 2 or 3 breaking up on me, like zapp, gone from bios, all files gone, the old Sandforce Controllers were a pain in the ass when it came to reliability.

I Would like to Know if an ssd boost your online experience. I mean did i See enemys faster or something like that.

@MFizzle777

5 жыл бұрын

I have the same question!

hey guys, what about episode duscae? would faster asset streaming minimize the stutter?

6:28 I'm not sure but i don't think the game starts to load until after the little story summary plays. Removing the video made my game load much quicker i'm sure

Your reviews become much more professional since the last year.

the loading times are not that problem for me. i would like to know which drive will last longer?

What about noise differences? The stock hdd on my ps4 is rather loud so im guessing an ssd would be good because they dont make those noises, (or do they)? im willing to spend around £100 for a 500gb ssd so price isnt really an issue.

@gilgamesh852

8 жыл бұрын

+aki-sid.95 you have older revision of the PS4? The older one had a very loud Fan and the HDD is pretty silent in comparison. I have the newer revision of the PS4 which is very quiet and the HDD is also silent (maybe its louder when you install something atm). A SSD makes no noise yes but i dont think it will reduce the overall noise if the fan is the loudest.

Will there be a issue with the ssd longevity because of ps4 constant recording?

Any opinions I this sshd Seagate Momentus XT 750 GB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 32 MB Cache 2.5 Inch Solid State Hybrid Drive ST750LX003 ?

Really don't know why MS and Sony opted for SATA II. Was the cost of SATA III really that much more?

Not radically different, but those little 10-30 second chunks add up.

can we also expect a update for your test external xbox one hard drives?

as the SSD is shown when loading textures in the game?

Wow, I didn't realize load times on consoles were so bad. You guys definitely deserve better than that. Takes roughly 7 - 10 seconds to load into Diamond City for me, and that's with ini edits forcing the game to stream as many textures as it can.

Was the seagate 1tb hybrid drive 5200 rpm?

The first thing I did on my PS4 after jnboxing and testing it was working was to change the hdd for an ssd. I was playing FfXIV at the time and zine changing is a very common thing so that made the experience much better

Any idea on what kind of differences there is when it comes to the Game Destiny?

how much time do these games' loading screens devour on a high end 900$ pc?

Sup, and about perfomance (fps), gain anything?

How complicated isit to install an SSD to a PC? Provided i want to keep all my files still on my HDD? Seems confusing and with games being so huge now, i have to get a pretty big SSD in order to get all my applications and games on a single SSD drive.

@Igarzigar

8 жыл бұрын

+leonthesleepy If you have a laptop, you would need to clone the HDD to the SSD. But if you have a PC, you don't need to do anything. Just buy the SSD and add it to your PC. Your PC can have multiple drives. I use a SSD for Windows and my programms and an 7200rpm HDD for my games, since large capacity SSD are quite expensive.

+DigitalFoundry What happens with a digital game and a midia game in perfomance?

I just got a 7200rpm hdd since the hybrid drives are 5400rpm and are only faster when using frequently used apps since the ssd portion is very small

I wish you had included 7200 rpm drive into the mix (unless SSHD drive is 7200 rpm but that's not stated in the video unless I missed it).

the real question is if i should upgrade my ps3 with an ssd... i know that ps3 use sata1 but maybe i can have some improvements in games like mgs4(installation time) or other old gems

Bought a 500 GB SSD for my PS4 Slim never regret it, as my game library are mostly Indie, Metroidvania and Roguelike

Question: What would be the maximum size of SSD that the PS4 Slim could recognise?

0:57 wichard stare deep into my soul

the problem I have with all this is that as far as I'm aware, the ps4 doesn't support trim which to me defeats the purpose of putting in a ssd besides the price factor.

@Axisoflords

8 жыл бұрын

+Branden Tremblay That and add in the SATA II controller which is a bottleneck.

@EnhancedCognition

8 жыл бұрын

+morti ((IF)) that is true. Then that would likely be attributed to the higher graphical settings/textures..etc.

@EnhancedCognition

8 жыл бұрын

***** If you pay potato prices....

@micnor14

8 жыл бұрын

+Branden Tremblay Newer SSD's (Samsung in particular) have an onboard TRIM feature. Not all SSD's are guaranteed to work as the PS4 wasn't designed for aftermarket/third-party hardware. We're very lucky Sony didn't use some proprietary controller crap for the cheap low-end hard drives they put in their expensive $400 flagship console. PS - I put an SSD in my original Xbox and let me tell you: It was 133 megabits per second - EVERY SECOND :D

@EnhancedCognition

8 жыл бұрын

***** Yeah.. Or get an entire gaming system that certainly under performs. But will sell simply due to recognition, ease of access and use while also being affordable to the hordes of broke and oblivious masses.

Do this test for PC too. Hybrids price are really good.

Why the hell didnt' you test the 7200rpm HGST 1 terabyte drive?

Well for extreme fast load time you would need crazy good cpu, good speed on RAM/VRAM (bandwidth)... I seen on new title SSD dont help so much, but some old game with 1k files on it (small size) the diff is crazy (O.S)

how much NAND cache does the Hybrid drive have?

any news on a 2tb hybrid drive yet?

Hey DigitalFoundry, how about trying another interesting test if you ever get a chance? Since the Steam controller came out a few months ago and can kinda make a "console" out of a PC, how about testing the speed and responsiveness of a consolized modest gaming PC (maybe even an Alienware Alpha) in Steam Big Picture Mode, games, and boot-up vs an actual console? Maybe a decent console can be made out of a PC? Can even wake a PC from sleep with the press of a button like a console, and very quickly.

You guys should test high performance ssd and different brands of them

newer ssd sata 3 crucial mx500 or Samsung 860 evo, are night and day respect stock hd or OLD weak OCZ trion 100... you must retest new ssd on the ps4pro with latest os 7.02 or better

Do you have to replace it with the old ssd? or can you just plug it in to a usb port like with the Xbox one?

@Gravy1255

8 жыл бұрын

You can not save games through USB on ps4.

Time for a new test. Lets hope that it gets Bloodborne quicker to load. The problem always is that the console, might have upgraded its motherboard to handle faster speeds then before. But knowing sony it still has weird limitations. PS3 has Sata 1 meaning you could put any SSD in there as choosing a very speedy one has not gain anyway. The system was to slow to use it anyway. Yet an SSD in an PS3 did elevate some of the problems some games had. It definitely sped up loading times in GT5. And even Skyrims chests got a boost. If a chest in skyrim got to full and who isn't a hoarder! Then it would slow down on an HDD as it has to write down every time you take something out or put something in. With an SSD you still don't have enough memory on the PS3 for it all but at least the SSD is speedy enough to cut that little pause at least in half.

Doing this in 2024. I recently picked up a used PS4 Slim for a very good price and condition. I do plan upgrading the 1TB HDD to a 2TB SSD. I’ll also do an internal clean, new thermal paste and thermal pads.

My PS4 slim had some issues with the HDD unfortunately I was not able to save my save data for all of my games and I didn't have PS+ so I said well bye bye HDD and purchase a Kingston A400 of 960gb and being honest it was a great decision everything is so smooth now from the menus to the games, installing, updating, playing, and also something really important noise and heat has been reduce a loot, so great deal for me and many many years to come on my PS4.

I upgraded the stock ps4 and later ps4 pro hard drive with a hybrid Seagate. Pretty good to be honest.

how it call the music on the backgrown?

I wasn't too bothered about shaving seconds off a load screen when I upgraded my ps4 hdd. I was looking for was a decent increase in size so picked up a 2tb for £80ish

can we get a link to dl the music at 4:40

Would like to know about texture loading on resident evil 7 on pspro.