Should you try surgery or rehab for a SLAP tear of the shoulder?
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@DrDavidGeier6 жыл бұрын
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@walidnaimi6303
6 жыл бұрын
Hello Dr David, thank you for your insightful video, can you please tell us if small labrum tears can heal by themselves or do all tears require surgery ?
@QuietStorm828
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. David Geier I have a slap tear. I did 12 physical therapy visits over for four weeks and there wasn’t any change. I even tried a cortisone shot, same result. My orthopedist wants me to do four more weeks of physical therapy but I am not convinced that it’s going to work
@haimbenjamin6560
5 жыл бұрын
Injured my shoulder playing basketball years ago. Blocking motion applying force down on the ball as opponent went up with the ball which resulted in a simultaneous upward counter-force. Since the acute injury, overhead throws (football or baseball) take 15 mins of warm-up before really being able to rip. A physician diagnosed a slap tear (no MRI) years ago. My experience has been the area can strengthen on its own (minimal rehab) and can revert back to square 1 anytime after overhead throw or similar force as original injury. No problem just build it back up. About a month ago I woke up and it reverted from sleep. I'm able to stay active (mountain-biking, basketball, football, skiing) but moving on and off this shoulder while sleeping sucks. I plan to start focused exercises and am interested in any suggestions based on what I've described. Perhaps I'll consider a surgical repair one day.
@ashpee2008
5 жыл бұрын
I just found out in December 2018 that I have a slap tear in my right shoulder. MRI arthrogram showed it. Before I found out I had one I did physical therapy 3-4 months, 2 cortisone injection and 2 trigger point injections. Still having pain. I'll be having surgery in February.
@tessap5280
2 жыл бұрын
@@ashpee2008 how did surgery help ?
@lordoffoxchapel5 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting to post about my SLAP repair experience on this video for over a year, but wanted to achieve full recovery before doing so: I'm a 23 year old male who had a labral tear in my right shoulder from baseball pitching and various other activities (weight lifting, swimming). Notable symptoms were clicking/popping/grinding of the shoulder during flat bench press, but it escalated to a sharp/deep pain during resting periods. I received an MR Arthrogram which revealed the tear. I attempted 2 months of physical therapy before surgery, which made the shoulder feel better. However, surgery was still required understanding that I want a full life ahead of me filled with athletic activity. In October (10 months ago), I underwent surgery to fix my SLAP Type VIII, and it was also discovered I had a partially torn rotator cuff and osteoarthritis. The procedure was successful and required 5 anchors. The road to recovery was extensive. I couldn't shower for the first 5 days, and afterwards needed to cover my arm in the shower with a trash bag for 2 more weeks. My surgeon provided me with simple exercises for the first 3 weeks, and installed a device which aided the performance of this. At 3 weeks, I began visiting the PT facility twice a week, and completed required exercises twice a day at home. Before going over my time-table, note that my surgeon put me on a very conservative protocol. -6 week mark: sling removed, able to brush teeth, sip a cup of coffee -3 months: range of motion nearly back; external rotation still very weak. Began working out legs, but no barbell squats. -5 months: lat-pull downs, chest flies (machine only), bicep curls, tricep extension (cables), rows ----> all very light weight -7 months: barbell squats (probably could've done it earlier, but didnt feel comfortable putting weight on my back until then) -10 months: swimming, incline bench press, deadlifting ---> started off very light, but slowly gaining strength back Hope this might help with somebody about to go through this. Thanks to Dr Geier for posting this video, it was of great help when trying to identify my injury.
@Ryujinn999
4 жыл бұрын
stillersupreme just had surgery 15 hours ago, thank you for this insight. Is it possible if others can recover faster then the other person? I believe recovery is different for everyone
@garyleeheard3434
4 жыл бұрын
So is this highly recommend?. This is what they say that I need now . So I'm time will person be able to work out fully or jus depend on the person?..
@NoobTX
3 жыл бұрын
Ive been avoiding my injury for 4 year went to check today and its a slap tear dono if i can run away anymore must lift
@Guallow
3 жыл бұрын
How was/is your shoulder now? do you have full range of motion, (overhead, behind back, etc..) What kind of anchors? "Plastic strips" or "screws"? what material? And what about dexterity and strength in the fingers?
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
Hi I have slap tear with no range of motion and pain issue but when I go heavy on my bench press especially wide I get pain and I also get deep sensation of pain post workout. Do you think I need surgery??
@ionzaifu42716 жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with a SLAP tear and got only surgery as an option from the doc. Toughed it out for 3 months, got full mobility, and after 6 months was in the gym lifting weights, as I was pain free. I sometime get slight pain when training hard chest or shoulders. I get popping noises in the bad shoulder in certain movements. Hope i don't agravate the injury, i'm not afraid of the surgery, but the recovery.
@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521
5 жыл бұрын
Ion Zaifu so did you get the surgery?? Or did the PT?
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521 Hi I have slap tear with no range of motion and pain issue but when I go heavy on my bench press especially wide I get pain and I also get deep sensation of pain post workout. Do you think I need surgery??
@jnybeth
3 жыл бұрын
@@foralgorithm656 I had similar pain issue. Full range of motion but only hurt I when would go hard on my activities (rock climbing, yoga) and workouts. managed to put off off my surgery for 5 years. Finally got the surgery and was back to 100% in about a year. Now I am dealing with a SLAP tear on my other shoulder and having the same debate all over again.
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@jnybeth ahh what are your Symptoms for right shoulder..?? By the way did you gain full range of motion and strength back after your surgery for the left
@kpbergey4 жыл бұрын
I had SLAP tear surgery and it ruined my shoulder permanently, wished I never did it. Had it done 6 yrs ago and had to have 2 more to fix that horror surgery. AVOID SURGERY AT ALL COSTS!
@shahhasan6672
3 жыл бұрын
I had it 5 months back and the diagnosis test are positive yet How can I go about it now
@alexanderanghel7946
2 жыл бұрын
Ive also had a slap tear repair survery about 8 years ago on my right arm. It fixed the disfunction I had in my right shoulder however it reduced my shoulder mobility. For me it was a give and take. I can lift extremely heavy and my shoulder is relatively pain free. My other shoulder now has a slap tear and I've been living with it for years but recently contemplating surgery. I'd say try surgery as a last resort.
@ms-hi9hs5 жыл бұрын
Great video, I'm going to live with my slap tear (type 2)for as long as I can. I'm a 52 y/o Male been karate, boxing, lifting, running and worked hard since I was a teenager. You said what my doctor said to day,,,, It's not going to get worse so I will get fixed when I cant do what I'm doing now
@neilkirst50277 жыл бұрын
I suffered a shoulder injury playing tennis. Had som pain and discomfort. Enough to visit the Dr. Dr gave me a choice of MRI or PT. The cost was $2,600 for MRI due to equipment compatibility with stents (another story altogether). So I am trying PT. Exercises helping with strength and range of motion. Too early to tell if this is the "solution" but it is certainly worth trying before MRI and or surgery.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+Neil Kirst Keep us informed of your progress Neil!
@andybarry5315
6 жыл бұрын
How much...damn you're getting ripped off. In England private Mri is 400 pounds. In Russia it's 100 pounds. Both used T1.5 machines.
@andybarry5315
6 жыл бұрын
Just to add something that's not too relevant..A private gastrostomy in England costs 1400 pounds whereas the same treatment in Russia is 20 pounds....So here in England we get ripped off as well.
@riteshtandon92066 жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with SLAP injury 10 months ago. I did PT for about 2 months, it alleviated the pain to some extent but it came back to the prior-PT levels within a month. The MRI showed inflammation in labrum but no clear tear (they did not use the dye). Based on the movement tests, the surgeon thinks it is a labrum tear and is suggesting surgery. I am not sure if I should go for surgery but there doesn't seem to be any better options. Honestly, the pain is not too bad and doesn't interfere with my daily life (not an athlete). It's bad on some mornings and having an ice pack on the shoulder for 10 min relieves it to the level that I don't feel it at all that day. After reading about the possible complications (or no benefits) after surgery I am thinking of toughing it out without surgery. The surgeon himself indicated about 60% chance of reduction in pain after SLAP surgery.
@JayJay-nh6ch5 жыл бұрын
Did physical therapy for my SLAP tear, helped a bit but pain is still there. Im 24, athlete in great shape, and a correction officer - furthering my career to be a police officer, therefore I chose to go with surgery for fixing my SLAP tear. A week out from surgery today and all I am nervous about is the physical therapy afterwards... i want to progress the best I can so I can pass my fitness tests!
@davidkostovski1073
3 жыл бұрын
How are u now?
@RichRobinson7 жыл бұрын
I partially subluxed my right shoulder behind my back in a weird gym incident 3 years ago. I did extensive rehab and it slowly improved but mundane incidents (putting on a backpack) would set me back months of progress and the pain gradually got worse. Following an MRI, I've just been told that I have a LARGE SLAP tear of of my lebrum and the letter I've received from the Orthopaedic Surgeon says they are looking at "arthroscapy +/- labral repair stabalisation". No wonder it's been such a struggle to rehab! I've not been able to train even remotely as hard as I used to. Can't wait to get my shoulder back!
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+Rich Robinson Good luck!
@cichlidfrontosaguy91417 жыл бұрын
I'm currently going through my second week of PT. It seems it may be working just a little. My shoulder pain wakes me up about 4, 5, or 6am. There's not any position that I can put my arm. That's even with PT. I'm scheduled to see my doctor in a few weeks. If PT doesn't work after next week I may discontinue services until my doctor visit. There's no need to waste money if it's not improving or the pain is still there.
@Taibshe
5 жыл бұрын
What was the ultimate result of your injury? Did you stay in PT or did you have surgery or what happened?
@cindykey40634 жыл бұрын
I had rotator cuff repair and slap repair about 7 years ago. I recently injured the same shoulder. I had an arthro MRI yesterday. Still don’t know the results. My pain is worse since the MRI. How common is it to reinsure the same shoulder after previous surgery
@vinasmj2 жыл бұрын
I'm 52 years old I just had a bucket tear It's only been 5 days Very little pain I can move my shoulder Around 70% Waiting to start physical therapy next week...thank for the information...🇺🇲👍🏻
@deborahturner76067 жыл бұрын
I'm 54 and very fit and active. Based on my physical exam and xrays, my doctor believes I have a labral tear in my right shoulder. He initially wanted to order and MRI coupled with a sonogram and inject dye to confirm his diagnosis. I asked if we could try something less radical to start with. So, he gave me a steroid injection yesterday and a therapy band with prescribed exercises. He said we might get lucky and this problem could only be tendonitis. I have had this problem for 1 1/2 years. I will go back in six weeks and we will reassess. My question is if I do have a tear and I do have surgery, will someone like me at my age really benefit and be able to go back to my regular arm and shoulder workouts with further problems? Or, if my best bet just to continue substituting bothersome exercises with ones that do not aggravate my condition. Thanks.
@DelDrew5 жыл бұрын
Injured my shoulder 3 months ago doing Hammer Strength rows at the gym. I tried rest & inactivity for 6 weeks but the pain/discomfort/loss of mobility/instability didn't get any better. Decided to finally see an orthopedist and get a MRI which revealed a type II SLAP tear from 10 o'clock to 1 o'clock. He suggested surgery (biceps tenodesis due to my age, I'm 46) as an option if PT doesn't help. My followup appt with the doctor is in 4 weeks. A seasoned PT at my job has SLAP tears on both shoulders and told me that under no circumstances should I consider surgery for it. I've read so many articles, testimonials, message boards etc over the past week that I don't know if I'm coming or going. This has all gotten so confusing. All I know is that I just want back normal (or as close to normal as I can get) use of my right shoulder and give zero shits about being able to lift weights again at this point. But I don't want to go under the knife unless I absolutely have to. So I'm going to take the trainer's advice and be patient & consistent with PT using fitness bands & doing range of motion work to strengthen the shoulder and see how it goes. He told me it can take 6 months or longer. If he could do it then I guess I can too. Everyone else who's suffering with this has my sympathies.
@martingibbins6621
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Prince Andrew. I've been dealing with this in both shoulders for 2.5 years now with no real improvement. This is a shitty injury. By far the worst I've experienced in my 14 + years of lifting. If you havent already, find yourself a good physio who can do active release techniques. When our body senses instability, it tries to create stability by spasming the surrounding muscles. But muscles in spasm are inherently weak and painful. ART can help with this, as well as improve mobility. This would be my first step, followed by a long term routine centered around progressive (and as pain free as possible) strengthening of the serratus, upper/middle/lower trap, rhomboids and rotator cuff to compensate for the instability. IMO surgeons are far too cavalier about giving a tenodesis. The bicep tendon is there for a reason. But if it comes to it, try to get out of the sling and moving sooner rather than later. People seem to recover much faster when they ditch the sling early. And consider using the peptide bpc-157 post operatively. It specializes in accelerating tendon healing to bone. If you want to get a better idea of what the recovery is like, I'm in a facebook group for shoulder surgery patients or 'victims' as i call them. It's called "shoulder surgery support group (rotator cuff tears & arthritis)." Best of luck. Say hello to lenny and leather daddy pls 😘
@lespritdavid3508
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thx for sharing your experience, I find myself in the exact same situation at the same age (46). I had MRI showing SLAP tear after hurting myself while surfing and I can't use my arm anymore for the last 3~4 months. Did the PT solved your problem or did you have surgery at some point?
@DelDrew
3 жыл бұрын
@@martingibbins6621 Just seeing this now! Appreciate the response.
@DelDrew
3 жыл бұрын
@@lespritdavid3508 I finally opted for surgery a year and a half ago. Had a bicep tenotomy performed, detaching it from the labrum. My surgeon would have considered a bicep tenodesis but he said the tendon wasn't in good enough condition to salvage & screw into the humorous bone. Tenotomy solved the pain and ROM issues, only minor downside to the procedure for me is occasional bicep cramping if I overuse the muscle or inadvertently flex it. No deformation of the muscle after a year and a half thankfully like some people get. Recovery time was minimal with just 5-7 days of post-op discomfort. All in all very happy with the result. Good luck!
@Mcleod13705 жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with mri with having a slap tear in my shoulder from weightlifting in the gym.. I have been training even with the injury I must admit certain exercises are out of the question, but when this happened I couldn’t do push-ups due to the pain... Without any kind of therapy other than my weight training I can now do push-ups again with no pain and it seems some of my strength is coming back.. This has been over the course of about 3 months so we’ll see if time will heal it!! I’m also 48 yrs old and have become a gym rat.. My Dr suggested no weight training but that was out of the question, but in fact I feel better after a good workout over not having workout at all!!
@DrDavidGeier
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mcleod for sharing your experience!
@trucksdeluxe6 жыл бұрын
I’m FREAKING OUT! I’m a 45 year old surfer and I’ve had shoulder pain for 18 months and it just keeps getting worse. If I try to rest my shoulder gets worse, if I go to the PT or try to rehab it my shoulder gets worse faster. Atm I can’t sleep or do any kind of exercise. My arm locks up with a pinching pain right on the top of my shoulder which radiates into my arm and neck. I had a MRI which revealed a fairly large SLAP tear. I’ve seen 3 shoulder surgeons who tell me that SLAP tears are fairly normal in someone my age and that it’s likely that the tears is not the cause of my pain. I have booked in with the top surgeon for shoulder surgery in which he’ll go into my shoulder to have a look and potential repair the tear. Has anyone else has a similar experience with shoulder pain? I have the surgery booked for a week from today but I don’t want to do it if it’s going to be a waste of time or potentially make my shoulder worse.
@rodneypeck197
6 жыл бұрын
I'm going through the same problem diagnosed with a labrum tear over 40.
@vinnie92703
6 жыл бұрын
Ben Andrews did u go thru with it
@ArmandoRamirez-yx5be
6 жыл бұрын
I would try rehab first. I had surgery for a SLAP te and it is actually worse now. Probably due to the scar tissue or trauma from the surgery. It’s been a year since the surgery
@tjgill1298
5 жыл бұрын
Get surgery done, and make sure you actively do physio therapy afterwards for a good 6 months. Act like you are a world class athlete, and your shoulder will be like new. All these horror stories of people whos surgeries didnt go as planned are of people who were not proactive in their recovery, do your research spend the time in and outside the gym. This is coming from someone who had surgery on both right and left and had tremendous success, I powerlift now and have had absolute no problems. My shoulders are actually my strength now. Goodluck
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@tjgill1298 Hi I have slap tear with no range of motion and pain issue but when I go heavy on my bench press especially wide I get pain and I also get deep sensation of pain post workout. Do you think I need surgery??
@ErinM-20247 ай бұрын
I don’t understand I’ve been in a lot of pain, mainly in my bicep area. I’ve been diagnosed with a slap tear. I’ve failed p t. So, it seems like after that then surgery. So, what I’m hearing is a lot of people have slap tears and some people don’t know. Well, then, fix the ones that are in pain. The injection didn’t help either. My surgeon is suggesting surgery.
@harshal436 жыл бұрын
I had a fall last November and my should was injured after MRI following are the analysis : I have a Glenoid Labrum torn from 1 to 4 o'clock position. Hyperintense singal is also noted i superior Labrum-SLA2-tear The long head of biceps tendon is normal. Rest of Glenoid labrum and articular cartialage is intact. Cortical irregularity is noted in naterior aspect of glenoid without significant flattering. The acromion is of Type II. Mild acromioclavicular arthrosis is seen. There is mild glenohumeral effusion. Visualised bones appear normal. I have taken physiotherapy for 3 months and some of the pain is some positions have gone. but now the remaining pain still exits. My Physio have told me that I cannot push anything above my shoulder by I can puul. I can do anything below shoulder level. I want to know if I join GYM and exercise, which exercises are not to be done and which are to be done on light weights until other muscles get strong and support the shoulder. OR Surgery is required?
@Frank-kl5kh2 жыл бұрын
So at 21, it seems like there's no hope and i have to take the route of surgery 😕
@Spudcracker6 жыл бұрын
Here's a question for You Dr. What is your view on Injecting Human Growth Hormone to help speed up the rate of healing and recovery?
@SaanichtonMinistries Жыл бұрын
Shoulder dislocation… it is not the pain I am worried about or even care about, it is another dislocated shoulder. I have had it pop out the second time 3 days after the initial injury trying to hang up a towel. The first was a result of steady overload pressure on it pushing an object with full force. I think surgery is the only option. I have been told to immobilize it never mind PT.
@mrhunter21545 жыл бұрын
Hello I was diagnosed with a labrum slap tear, I am a 25 year old bodybuilder, this most likely happened from shoulder subluxation cause of weak rotator cuff and scapula muscles, did physical therapy for months and strengthening excercises of scapula have helped, stretching always made it worse, in the gym I can do everything I need to do except anything behind the head, is surgery necessary for this or should I avoid it because I am getting by without it
@jayveepoison5792
4 жыл бұрын
Did you opt surgery?
@baseballer21and04 жыл бұрын
My shoulder kept popping out during everyday activities. I got labrum surgery. Then it popped out again, and continued popping out during everyday activities. So I got another surgery because I could not deal with it. A while after that surgery it popped out. My labrum is torn and I am torn whether to get surgery or not. I have not have bad sublexions since it popped out but I can feel the shoulder is still not stable and only is not popping out because of my muscles keep the shoulder in and being extremely mindful of what position I put the shoulder in. I feel it can easily pop out if put in a bad position. I have had about two scares where I felt it starting to sublex just a tiny bit, it did not really hurt but I could just slightly feel the shoulder getting out of position. It was a bit sore the following days of those but nothing like the initial shoulder pop outs. I can do most things I would want to do, longboard, bike, do some working out, do most yoga and stretching but would like to do more. I feel things like ice skating, snowboarding, water skiing, rock climbing, breaststroke swimming, and other adventurous things like that I could try again; but it has a high probability of popping out. I am relatively satisfied with being able to do the things I am doing now, especially because I have not been able to do them since my first surgery, but I am worried in the future I wont be able to move furniture, or it will discourage me from trying new things, or pop out if I try new things.
@SaanichtonMinistries
Жыл бұрын
Sound like me
@Anatomy_MCQ_VIVA_Shweta_Desai7 жыл бұрын
i ve SLAP tear. this is MRI FINDING. i play cricket nd i m a fast bowler cum fast throwing fielder. i have pain in my dominant limb. throwing worsens my pain nd rest treats my pain. bowling speed has reduced drastically. pain with all other things.... all orthopedics suggested arthroscopic repair followed by intensive Physiotherapy. i personally want to undergo physiotherapy then surgery. would this help me ?is it a good decision ?
@smashu27 жыл бұрын
If my Shoulder is constantly poping out of the socket and I manually place it back in the socket does it damage the labrum ?? because I may do this 30 time in a day...Second Question do you tink prp or Stem cell could rebuild the labrum ??
@michaelpollack6145
7 жыл бұрын
smashu2. I had labral and slap tear surgery 2 weeks ago. Since then I've done a bit of reading on the subject, and have read that shoulder instability like you are having can and often will cause labrum tears. But before they would do any labrum surgury, they would want to find the cause of the shoulder instability and fix that first, because if not the tear would just likely reoccur. Also, I have heard and read that stem cell treatment can in some cases repair a torn labrum. Same issue though, if you have something else going on thats causing dislocation frequently, it would just redamage any repairs, whether done surgically or with stem cell injections. Hope that was somewhat helpful.
@justinbates4447
5 жыл бұрын
The answer is yes
@familyguyrocks567 жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with a slap tear, and I haven't had an MRI done, the Army doesn't want to waste the money, I'm in physical therapy, no improvement. should I push the docs to do surgery?
@rhjxxx
6 жыл бұрын
Dante Williams i had a surgery for both SLAP type 3 tear and Vankart for my right arm when I was in thr army too. i served in ROK Army, so im not sure how the US Army is gonna deal with this in the first place. But remember this. Physical therapy wont help the pain get gone at all if your tear has reached at least SLAP type 2. I was medically discharged and then transferred to reserve duty as the rehab period after surgery was expected to be more than a year, and the army believed that i wouldnt do my full jobs in active duty during my service time. That is so true that i wasnt able to do hardcore pull ups and clean jerks till the middle of this year 2017; i had a surgery in late 2015. But if you wanna get rid of the pain completely, u have to take surgery. Labrum tear cant heal itself at the certain point, which means your symptoms will get severe and damaged more as long as you keep giving pressure on your shoulder.
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@rhjxxx Hi I have slap tear with no range of motion and pain issue but when I go heavy on my bench press especially wide I get pain and I also get deep sensation of pain post workout. Do you think I need surgery??
@rhjxxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@foralgorithm656 all decisions must be determined by yourself and your doc, pal. But if your pain has been severe and lasting for a while without any sign of healing, you must check out with your doc immediately. I do not suggest avoiding surgery because taking more time will only be worse. If you wanna keep doing heavy exercises without worrying about your pain, the surgery is the best option. Nonetheless, like I said, please talk to your doctor seriously.
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@rhjxxx but I heard that there are some instances where even after surgeries they are suspectible to getting a tear again
@FredFlintstone216 жыл бұрын
About 12 years ago, I prematurely moved up in dumbbell weight to 90 lb dumbbells for flat bench presses. On the 3rd rep, it took everything I had to complete the rep. Later on, my shoulder hurt bad. Couldn't adjust radio in car. Doc said torn labrum. Therapy and cortisone shots didn't help. Went in athroscopically to fix. Went thru post surgery pt. FF to today, Been working out every day, added military press on Smith rack, weight wasn't low enough, shoulder acted up again. I throttled off of all exercises, stopped military press, do long warm ups from ask dr jo on youtube, her slap tear video, and dr john bergman has a video where he is doing a pendulum exercise with kettlebells. Shoulder doing better.
@namansapra74106 жыл бұрын
Hi David, I probably have a slap tear. I got MRI done but still it's not clear. I'm very confused whether to go for a surgery or not. I can even send you my MRI report. Please suggest. Thanks!
@arifc2521
5 жыл бұрын
What did u do about that mean? U got surgery or not? cause I also have MRI and dcos not sure about that because they said MRI dosen't show those tear properly.I haven't decided yet? What's ur suggestions?
@cwolfe10890
5 жыл бұрын
Get an MR Arthrogram first
@jeevanandhamjeeva010575 жыл бұрын
Hi sir I am jeeva from INDIA. I had take MRI scan in that it shows ANTERIAL LABERAL TEAR. But I can move my right hand. But I have pain ever day how to cure this please help me sir
@edreed5571
5 жыл бұрын
Medical marijuana will fix it.
@shahinally5 жыл бұрын
I had posterior labral tear from bowling at cricket 2 years ago. I tried to went physical therapy first. It did not work. Although my pain went away for normal activity and I had reasonably stable shoulder. But as soon as I stared bowling again the pain came back quite sharply. I simply could not bowl. So I recently went for the surgery 3 weeks ago. Surgeon said to get my full capacity back it will at least 8/9 months. So hopefully I will start playing next season.
@mohsinraza884
3 жыл бұрын
bhai sugary k alawa koi option pls help
@curtislewis20425 жыл бұрын
Hi, I had a slap tear back in 2011 in my late 20's. I rehab'd and now I'm back at the age of 35 after another sports injury with another slap tear. Wondering how successful physical therapy is and the long term effects of not having the labrium reattached.
@asdfghjkldfghjhgcgyuigfyui97925 жыл бұрын
my shoulder has been hurting for 3 months. my bench press dropped from 315 to 275 and doing more than 10 reps of any weight is painful. I don’t know if I should get surgery because I don’t want to risk ending up worse than before. lifting weights is the only thing I enjoy in life. serious.
@Darcozell7 жыл бұрын
Have a slap tear because of throwing. Tried accupunture, teraphy and strengthening treatment for about a year. Tried everything! But finally I'll have surgery
@christopherrodriguez567
7 жыл бұрын
Hey wassup man How's it going I also may have received a slap tear throwing. Operation was recommended but haven't decided on it yet. Have you received the surgery ? How has the recovery been for you ?
@gboyhitdaspot6 жыл бұрын
Hi Doctor. I have a type 2 slap tear in my right shoulder and I'm scheduled to have surgery on July 13th. I heard of PRP. Would that be a better option?
@arifc2521
5 жыл бұрын
How was surgery man?How are u now?
@russman1096 жыл бұрын
Hi David, I have a SLAP lesion in my left shoulder, and it was confirmed with MRI with contrast. I acquired this tear 2 years ago in a rollover car crash. I'm super active, and I snowboard to a very high level. I've spent 2 years doing PT, and I can get the shoulder built back up to about 70% strength. The issue is, it doesn't take much to knock it back down to, say, 20% strength. I can simply slip and put my hand down, or tumble in deep powder snow, and the should starts popping, clicking, snapping and getting "stuck", and will stay that way for as long as a month while I rehab it again. It will also get bad if I hit the weight room, and do any sort of pressing motions. I've decided to finally go under the knife and get this fixed. Its driving me NUTS. I'm 33 years old and still have a lot of years of living an athletic / active life, and I'm tired of having this bad shoulder. I have a background in exercise physiology and biomechanics, and am very well versed in this injury. Curious to hear your professional thoughts. Thanks!!
@MikeMacias
5 жыл бұрын
How is the surgery? I'm considering it because my orthopedic recommends it because I'm only 34
@luisoquendo9382
4 жыл бұрын
Hey men how did it go?
@blakerast5 жыл бұрын
Im a 38 y/o rock climber and mountain biker with a slap tear and arthritic bone growths. I cant climb d/t pain and the feeling of it partially dislocating. Cant mountain bike because it hurts. PT has only made it worse and I have tried 2 different therapists. Doc sais biceps tendonisis cleaning up bown spurs and a nerve realease is probably what I need with possible slap repair depending on how bad it is. Does this sound logical.
@curtislewis2042
5 жыл бұрын
Seems legit. I had s slap tear in 2011 and went for surgery. I was no longer able to mountain bike due to the pain and overhead impact caused dislocations. I am now back at the age of 35 with another slap tear and debating if I should try physical therapy. But judging by most people's comments it hasnt worked out too well.
@PatenaudePhilippe6 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr…. I’ve been having discomfort with my left shoulder for the last year. I have got an MRI saying that every is fine, long bicep, rotator cuff, no atrophies, no liquids, no cyst. The only thing it says is that I have a very small tear in my labrum at 2oclock. I brought the results to my surgeon who already fixed my other shoulder and he told me he don’t want to operate that one. He is basically saying that the tear is too small and it would do more damage if he does procedure in it. So he said to some physio to reinforce the muscles around your shoulders to stabilize the labrum and after a while the pain might go away. It’s been a month now and so far I don’t see any improvement. So my question is should I be more patient with the physio? Should I challenge my surgeon and beg him to do the surgery anyway which most of the time is NOT a good idea challenging an orthopedic surgeon lets be honest :P or should I try Stem Cell? Supposedly it works but its funny because the labrum is not vascularized so how is it supposed to work? Thank you for your answer. I appreciate it
@cidd04
3 жыл бұрын
have the same problem now. any updates?
@carloconnor71884 жыл бұрын
My shoulder keeps subluxing (popping out partially) but then pops back in. Hurts for maybe 2 days then goes back to normal. Until it happens again. Rinse and repeat. No pain after 2 or 3 days. Any advice?
@Guallow
3 жыл бұрын
It seem like you have some Hyper mobility in your shoulder. I think you need to strengthen and stabilize your shoulder joint. Go to a Physiotherapist and train it. Maybe try some light Kettlebell'ing.
@michaeldooley53316 жыл бұрын
Please point me to any source that might help! I had both shoulders with Slap repairs over one year ago (four months apart) I struggled with escalating pain and impingement issues which I did not have before surgery. I am far worse off now than before. A recent contrast MRI shows tendonosis of each rotator cuff tendon as well as a significant Slap tears and moderate glenohumeral arthritis in both shoulders. I believe there was something about the capsules which were not dealt with that led to a struggle with everything prescribed to me including PT. I now cannot feel stable in any position and do indeed feel constant pain, especially if I do anything other than rest all day. The surgeons don't seem to want to acknowledge anything missed on their behalf. In addition I also received three corticosteroid shots in each shoulder over a one-year period. Each time I had any local anesthetic with lidocane, xylocaine or buprivicvane I have experienced increased pain and a sense that my shoulders are falling off. I was an active happy person all my life, and now I consider more unacceptable options to finish this nightmarish ordeal.
@studiogeek1
5 жыл бұрын
How are you making out man? Any better @Michael Dooley?
@sni-ri1yg7 жыл бұрын
I used to be able to throw a baseball/football pretty well, but my throwing ability slowly got worse. The worst pain occurred when I tried to throw a soccer ball like a baseball, and it has never really got better. I used to be able to throw from the outfield, but now I can barely throw from second base to 1st. I tried steroids, went to a orthopedic and they sent me to physical therapy. I still can't throw. I think the orthopedic said I have a possible internal impingement(is slap the same thing). Should I get an MRI? I have had to quit baseball because the pain and loss of ability was too much.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+sni04588 Sometimes an MRI can show structural damage, like a SLAP tear.
@mindofzyzz8805
6 жыл бұрын
If the pain doesn't go away its a sign that there is damage that needs to be fixed through surgery. You need an arthrogram MRI
@puneetgaonkar3492
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. David Geier I need your help doctor I got labral tear on my left shoulder , should I go for arthoscropy?
@BigBassTurd7 жыл бұрын
I have been doing PT for about 2 months, it helped a lot but didn't cure the pain in certain motions fully. It all comes down to what pain and immobility you are willing to deal with. I haven't fully decided yet to do the tendon relocation and shaving as PT helped a ton. I will continue with PT until the pain and discomfort is unbearable or disappears.
@BigBassTurd
7 жыл бұрын
I am going back to my surgeon. I had a cortisone shot and now 4 months of rehab. All was going well but now I am noticing pain and immobility again :(
@The_TOD_14 жыл бұрын
After 5 months of pain, The Specialist diagnosed a SLAP tear in my right shoulder. I'm 58 years old. He has prescribed two to three months of physical therapy, twice a week. Per this video, that sounds like a reasonable prescription, correct?
@blakestuart20987 жыл бұрын
Suffered shoulder dislocation and slap tear after extending my arm on a skateboard fall. Did 6 months of PT and got my shoulder to about 70% where it was before. Reaching up and throwing was still a problem. Suffered a partial dislocation last week randomly (13 months after injury) and am now in constant pain. I am having the surgery done in two weeks. I will update my progress in a few months.
@t100base
7 жыл бұрын
i use got that injury. i had a fucked up shoulder from my baseball days also. so i might consider just doing the surgery. how are you able to skate now? do you skate less?
@abekor70
6 жыл бұрын
how is it going now? fully recovered?
@t100base
6 жыл бұрын
had the surgery. decided to go for surgery right away then do therapy.
@abekor70
6 жыл бұрын
t100base how bad was your symptoms? Can you explain them to me and how you feel now? My MRI appointment is going to take for more than 2 months from now and I want to fully know if my thing is serious. I got it from volleyball from one hit I had.
@abekor70
6 жыл бұрын
t100base my symptoms are more different maybe even a slap tear level 1. It's been over a year that I've had this and I've been to multiple physio therapies some say it's impinge and some say it's labrum tear. My symptoms are anything above head throwing or above head weight training hurts. I have poping sound and I can move my humeral head back and forth like it's coming out of the socket. Any internal rotation hurts. Although at the time I had minimum rotation but now I have full rotation but the symptoms are still there. Dk what the fuck it is, I've been researching for the past year. Might even be bursitis? Dk. I'm just ask people that had slap what kind of symptoms they had and kind of compare. Thanks for opening man and hopefully you have a full shoulder recovery and get back to playing ball.
@quicksc0pez3007 жыл бұрын
i'm currently a pitcher in college and about 2 years ago i dislocated my shoulder and the mri showed a tear in 2 places, pretty sure slap and bankart, i did 3 months of pt and returned to playing slowly. ever since the incident i have had discomfort/instability in my shoulder when throwing and with other movements. my main concern is the it might be getting worse or that if i decide to get surgery that i would never be able to throw as hard as i do now... just curious, is it worth really looking into surgery from an athletes point of view or should i just keep playing with it as long as it doesn't get noticeably worse?
@harshdeep7545
4 жыл бұрын
Bro my labrum also tear from two sides but I don't want surgery can fix it with physical exercises
@SeilenaRebreg345 жыл бұрын
Thanks. That helped a lot....
@amytiburzio53797 жыл бұрын
Over 3 months ago, I missed a step and fell on my elbow/forearm on cement pool rocks. After 2 months of consistent pain and limited mobility, I finally got an MRI which revealed SLAP tear and also fluid around biceps tendon in the bicipital groove. Starting PT next week for 6 weeks to see if I can get range of motion back and pain relief. I haven't been able to throw a ball normal since then. I have 3 daughters that play softball, 2 of them are pitchers so throwing a ball is part of my lifestyle that has now become difficult. At least my girls get a chuckle while they watch me try to throw. Underhand toss is what I've resorted to. Hoping PT helps, but not very optimistic. Just having the Dr check my muscle strength and move my arm makes me so sore for a couple days. Fingers crossed I recover someday. I'm 42, but very active and I'm a runner. My shoulder usually snap, crackle, and pops about 3 times during my runs.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
Good luck! I hope that works!
@JNTVM
7 жыл бұрын
Amy tiburzio How is your PT going ? Nice video btw
@amytiburzio5379
7 жыл бұрын
Jimmy N.T.V.M I did 8 weeks of PT and it really did help! I only went once a week, but I really made an effort to do my home exercises every day. I gained almost full range of motion back and am starting to throw overhand at about 60% effort. I'm working on getting full throwing back, but I still feel like it will hurt, so I take it easy. I don't have 100% range in my arm, but less things cause me pain now. My shoulder is still rotated forward, but the goal of PT was to strengthen all of the muscles around it and I believe it worked. I'm back at the gym doing pretty much normal routine. I feel a slight soreness in my bicep and sometimes I can't get a full extension if I'm lifting a hand weight over my head, but it just feels like something gets caught in my shoulder and if I roll my shoulder back to try to get it in the correct position (since it's rotated forward) then I can get more extension. I feel like I can live with this now, but I need to keep up some home exercises to keep the muscles strong. I don't know how long it will last, but I'm happy with my results as of now. I was released from weekly PT visits and am on just home maintenance unless I need to go back.
@yousefzarbalian47
7 жыл бұрын
Jimmy N.T.V.M Any luck with rest followed by PT this time? How long did you rest? I assume by rest you mean avoiding any overhead activity. I have had right shoulder pain since a tennis injury 12 years ago. After spiking a volleyball 2 months ago, I developed recurrent pain. I have been seeing a sports med specialist who identified some labral pathology (possible slap injury) on ultrasound. He is doing prolotherapy injections (unclear if this is helpful to me and the scientific literature in support of it is not strong at all). However, I had 2 flares of pain in the past month - the first with bike riding and the second with swimming freestyle. Which leads me to believe I have not been resting the shoulder appropriately. I'm hoping I can avoid surgery.
@anabee54532 жыл бұрын
If there's a tear or rip how will jus rehab sort it 🤷
@VJ-15153 жыл бұрын
Dr..my shoulder was dislocated nearly 8 to 10 times.l'm an badminton player...I need surgery r can I srengthen it again by resistance band exercises..?
@aine71735 жыл бұрын
Hi i have a grade 2 slap tear in the left shoulder. I got it from a fall. My question is should you exercise on it even when it painful.
@edmarpedraza40012 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I was going to physical therapy for 9 months but still would feel discomfort right when I get back to work. Recently my doctor is giving me three weeks for PT and no working at all. The labrum tear is 10 to 1 o clock. Do you think I should get surgery? Thanks in advance
@wadefernandes39697 жыл бұрын
I'm having huge pain in my shoulder even after doing physiotherapy and my tear is anferior-inferior labreal tear what should i do ? should I operate ? it's been with for 5 years
@sohailsattani5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. David, Thanks for the nice informative video. 10 days back I had a shoulder injury during cricket match and I was unable to raise my left arm above 45 degree. My MRI revealed the following: Inferior glenohumeral legament complex is ruptured, large fracture of greater tubrosity is identified, large soft tissue bankark is identified, postirior inferior sublexation is identified. Upon consultation with specialist i was recommended open surgery to fix inferior glenohumeral legament so I can back in sports. Please suggest what should i do either surgery or wait so it can fix itself. I want to be 100% fit for sports.
@tjgill1298
5 жыл бұрын
Sohail Hyder ali Hyder ali surgery is the way to go. It will not heal itself unfortunately
@idcniles7 жыл бұрын
apparently I was overly aggressive with shoulder shrugs in the gym almost 3 weeks ago. I awoke the next morning barely able to move my left arm. The pain (dull ache) is in the shoulder joint. Sometimes the pain travels up into my neck...other times down to my finger tips. It"s difficult to pinpoint where the pain is exactly. Some movements are fine...others very painful. I am self diagnosing a SLAP tear. What should I do next? I've stayed out of the gym for nearly 3 weeks and it has not gotten better.
@hamiltondplayer
6 жыл бұрын
more likely to be bursitis
@TheBostonfangamer6 жыл бұрын
PLEASE HELP ME! I just had an mri and the doctor said it’s a labrum tear he said my labrum had been worn down. No specific injury that I can remember caused this. I’m 16 and don’t know what to do should I get surgery like he wants me to? I played football with this injury and my shoulder has never dislocated I’m not returning to ball but I do like working out. Is surgery necessary?
@garyleeheard34344 жыл бұрын
So if he Dr. Says it's a possible tear for labral tear. What does he mean by that ?.. he recommends the surgery I'm just curious.
@elisag99343 жыл бұрын
I have been having pain for a while now. Probably around a year ago and I play softball and i am a catcher so I think it’s from overuse of throwing. It hurts when I throw and I feel like I have no control over my throws. My shoulder also sometimes shifts out of place. but after resting it didn’t work I got an MRI with contrast which shows irritation which could be a tear but they don’t know 100%. I’ve been to many doctors and I’ve done physical therapy for 4 month 2 doctors said it’s most likely a slap tear and I need surgery or try PRP injection. I decided on surgery and had a consultation with the surgeon but he thinks I should try 6 more weeks of Physical therapy and work on getting flexibility in my internal rotation. It’s 2 weeks into my new physical therapy it doesn’t feel any better and he and my old physical therapist both think it’s a slap tear. I just want to get surgery soon because I start college softball next spring and I need to recover fast. Do you think surgery is the best option?
@johnw.14047 жыл бұрын
Dear David, You say Slap tear (I have slap 2)doesnt get worse over time if we don`t do surgery asap. Can you tell me if I can for example do biceps exercises with weights as long as it doesnt hurt ? I am so confused about this as its basicaly a biceps tendon connection but comes with only shoulder pain and my biceps is strong.Thanks a lot for your response and the informative video
@BigBassTurd7 жыл бұрын
I decided to try PT first before surgery with my shoulder pain. The MRI shows I have a slap tear, a bone spur and arthritis along with a tendon causing irritation to the slap tear. I am only 38 and surgery included detachment and re anchoring of a tendon to my humerus, repairing the slap tear and shaving something in the shoulder. I thought this would be orthoscopic but sounds like it is not. My ortho surgeon talked about a large cut on my shoulder which was unexpected. Do you think PT will fix this or am I wasting my time and money? I am working the four muscle groups but not sure how that is going to fix the tear,spur and arthritis. What do you think?
@himanshupandey99177 жыл бұрын
sir i feel cracking sound on my right sholder and pain also. after playing cricket. what is that, then what should i do, i first consent doctor or physio therapy. but i able to move my hand, it's serious ?
@miyukiimai73555 жыл бұрын
The video is helpful! I had a shoulder pain, went to see a chiropractor for 6 times, got MRI diagnosed as SLAP tear, did injection, and the pain was gone for 3 month. Then I got a pain again and started to see PT for 5 weeks now. At the same time, I had a wrist pain, which is the same side as my shoulder pain, and turned out to have a surgery because my TFCC was completely damaged due to the ulnar abutment syndrome. Now I’m having the cast on my wrist with shoulder pain. I am 51 years old and want to avoid another surgery, but my should pain does not go away. What should I do...
@douglasdoolen52857 жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm 27 and torn/frayed labrum when I was 17. I had arthroscopic surgery back then to try and fix it. I played baseball. Still to this day, if I try to throw hard, or throw over 90ft, my shoulder hurts. I do not experience any pain during any of the physical therapy exercises. Could this still be a result of the labrum, or could it be something else (ie: biceps tendon). Any help would be appreciated.
@RandomLifeBOXING6 жыл бұрын
posterior dislocation but no surgery yet... immobiliser method currently.. pls suggest
@treasurepomeranians16696 жыл бұрын
Just got told I have a 180 degree tear. Do I have to have shoulder surgery? I am 24 years old. I first hurt my shoulder when I was 12 or 14. Somewhere around there. I hurt it at least one a year. Did some physical therapy. Didn’t help. And I just left it be. But now it’s hurting really bad. I’m just worried about having a surgery.
@Praveenkumarvarungowda856 жыл бұрын
I had pain in shoulder from past 8 years on and off... On the 7th year I found it is SLAP injury via MRI... Should I get surgery? Bcoz whenever it comes I'll take NSAID and hot water pouring and some exercise it will go off within 15days sometimes a month... Can anyone help me to come out of this permanently pleas.
@trump20267 жыл бұрын
I have done PT for 4 weeks. Still constant pain and very little to no progress had been made. Received steroid shot until surgery. You'll know because you will have deep pain in your shoulder (feels like under he shoulder blade)
@jocelenruth86127 жыл бұрын
Im currently a collegiate Javelin thrower. Ive been having shoulder pain since the summer of 2016. We received MRIs that summer and nothing seemed to be very alarming. I have done 9 months worth of basic shoulder rehab but my shoulder has gotten significantly worse. Just this past week I have gotten another up to date MRI. Now the doctors and trainers are telling me I have a SLAP tear. Did the 9 months worth of rehab worsen my shoulder? Is this the time I recommend surgery or do I continue with rehab? Any suggestions or comments helps! Thanks!
@jimgallaher67387 жыл бұрын
Great video and commentary. Question, if the pain from the test is in the upper arm/biceps but not in the shoulder, is that still a positive test? Thanks! Also had a similar circumstance with the Yergason's test where the pain wasn't necessarily in the shoulder but at the top on the side of the arm. Speed's test was negative and apprehension test was positive with some anterior instability there. Thanks!
@marywilliams68233 жыл бұрын
I just found this video and want to leave a comment maybe questions. I did injure my shoulder so much pain I could lift my arm what so ever. I had to wait for my so called crappy insurance to kick in went to the dr they took X-rays and said that it had appeared that the shoulder had popped out of the socket and back in. MRI was done and he said I had a labrum tear with fluid around the joint. He said I could do surgery or physical therapy but no guarantee that physical therapy will help. Unfortunately I can’t do the surgery because my insurance will not pay for out patient surgery and I don’t have $22K to pay for it. I can sometimes get my arm to shoulder height “sometimes” but there is pain.. how or what exercises will help to get it past the shoulder level without pain?
@Spencer626105 жыл бұрын
Hi im 20, play baseball and have a SLAP tear, i have been doing physiotherapy for half a year but have had not much progress... I wanted to ask if I get surgery will I be able to get back to near 100% of throwing the ball if i do rehab properly? Or will it not be the same after surgery?
@BuzzNightmare13136 жыл бұрын
I experienced a bankart labrum tear in 2010- after a boxing related action. I had surgery to repair it during the rehabilitation it tore again but this time was a slap tear. I had that repaired in 2013-14 which went well how ever I wasn't happy with it so decided to have another surgery to tighten the capsule. During the rehab of that I felt it tear AGAIN- Which was a nightmare. Had an MRI that revealed a tear the surgeon agreed to have a look inside again but said he was 'happy with it.' I still really struggle with the pain when I train. To be honest I wish I had left it alone after the second surgery.
@DrDavidGeier
6 жыл бұрын
+Ian Davidson I’m sure that’s hard. Thanks for sharing your experience!
@crystalpierce35317 жыл бұрын
i tore 3 things in my shoulder causing extreme pain and dislocations up to 6 times a week, my doctor had me do a monthish of physical therapy and my arm just got a lot worse. I'm now prepping myself for surgery in 13 days.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
I hope it turns out well for you!
@luisoquendo9382
4 жыл бұрын
chrys kalib hey men how it went?
@ABSallah17 жыл бұрын
I had a SLAP labrum tear on my left shoulder last year and got surgery. Now my right shoulder feels pain when I raise about 170 degrees from anatomical position (starting palm prone). Also when my arm comes from the side palms facing front, I feel not a sharp pain but a tightness about 150-160 of the way up. Should I consider surgery or rehab?
@t100base
7 жыл бұрын
hows your left shoulder.
@SamDunhamYT
6 жыл бұрын
It could be your ac joint
@yabutjjuan6055 Жыл бұрын
Doc! I had slap tear too I do lot of steching I raised arm up to ear but my external rotation is lost what should I do?
@DrDavidGeier
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry, but Dr. Geier can’t legally answer medical questions and offer specific medical advice online. Join Dr. Geier tomorrow, April 14, on his Ask Dr. Geier show when he'll be live on KZread at 12 PM ET - and bring your questions! Until then, check out the hundreds of videos here and thousands of articles on his website - drdavidgeier.com - in which he discusses every musculoskeletal injury suffered by athletes and active people. - Dr. David Geier team
@refakmakeen52484 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am an athlete, last December while doing an overhead dumbbell pullover i stretched my arms a bit too much and both my shoulders skidded out of it's resting position. And had severe pain on the same night while sleeping. Went to the doctor, got an X-ray done and found out that no bone injury had occurred. The Doctor prescribed me some pain killers and i felt very normal... Never skipped my gym routine. The pain didn't wear off. Right shoulder had gradual pain while doing pull ups. Got an MRI done on my right shoulder doctor suggested SLAP repair. Which i did 2 months ago. I still have pain on my left shoulder but bearable. And the Surgeon told me let it be and it will be fine. The questions are should i get an MRI done for my left shoulder...? , Will the pain gradually wear off? Will i be able get back to gym asap ? :(
@mehrshadmalekian
3 жыл бұрын
hi i think if you go to the MRI is good you went to surgery ? you fixed your shoulder without surgery?
@justinbates44475 жыл бұрын
I have a slap tear and have been doing therapy off and on for 3 months now. I get super frustrated because I keep getting referred to another doctor and then they want to do more pt when do I get a say that I dont believe therapy is helping my pain isnt going away unless I dont use it, But it being my dominant arm it's kinda hard. Though I have gained slight ROM back it's still not enough to write home about
@jenny873lakdj5 жыл бұрын
I wish you were my surgeon - you're such a friendly guy!
@DrDavidGeier
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jennifer!
@edwardv95187 жыл бұрын
Dr. Geier how long does it take the tear to heal without surgery on average? my slap tear doesn't seem to hurt much at all. Only feels a bit weak
@davidfedorenko784
7 жыл бұрын
Curious how you feel now after a month. I truly believe I tore mine a week ago playing ball and wonder how this might be after a month without surgery.
@banibugz5 жыл бұрын
hi i got slap 2 with 16mm gap, what can you suggest on that ?
@nassermorra6 жыл бұрын
My shoulder pain gets bad when I go to bed. It used to be in a small area in the back of my shoulder kept me awake during the nights. No problems with mobility. I a m not an athlete but arm functions fine. After 4 months decided to see my doctor which I was referred to PT which made pain worsen then I was referred to orthopedic surgeon. Physical exam showed everything normal, they divided to inject the shoulder with steroid. Everything went downhill from their my entire arm in pain . Muscle pain which the biceps got numbed near top of shoulder. Finally they decide time for mri which showed the the tear in Labrum and biceps tenden. I feel the damaged mud have been caused by PT since in the beginning they thought that was more like tendentious or muscular problems
@nassermorra
6 жыл бұрын
The labrum tear in the front, after we found out the cause I try not put load on that shoulder also PT not as hard before MRI, which seemed to calm shoulder slightly. I am seeing my orthopedic doctor next week to go over treatment options. Do these kind of tears heals on their own without a surgery
@pizziebarger3 жыл бұрын
I think I have a slap tear on my non-dominant side. It improves with exercise, like tennis. It usually doesn’t hurt during tennis unless I move a certain way. After playing it feels better. If I go a week without playing, it’s really bad. I does keep me awake at night. Cannot sleep on my side. Would that make sense that moving it helps?
@stretchsje
3 жыл бұрын
This has been my experience as well. I do Ninja Warrior training, which is as aggressive on shoulders as anything, and injured my shoulder through that. Taking a break from modified (lower impact) Ninja training to let the shoulder heal has made it feel much worse. This is completely counterintuitive to me. My doctor said there is no such thing as low stress ninja training, so I should stop. I feel better if I keep up with it, but I do not get to 100% recovered. Going to try some different physical therapy now.
@crystalwest21817 жыл бұрын
On September 20th 2016 I dislocated my shoulder diving for a ball playing volleyball on a sand court. It was reduced and I did PT for about 3 1/2 months. It was feeling great until I started volleyball again and my regular workout routine. I went back to my ortho who ordered an MRI. We found out I have a SLAP tear and impaction of the humeral head from a hilsachs lesion? I am looking for options and advice. I was shocked to see these results, as I have full ROM just some pain with certain workoits and weakness.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
Often people have surgery to reattach the labrum. It's a long recovery, but most athletes can return to play. Good luck!
@kyle17757 жыл бұрын
I used to be a professional pitcher. A labrum tear ended my career. That was 13 years ago. When i wasnt throwing it wasnt a huge deal, but now i cant even sleep on that side the pain is so extreme. I dont know what to do. If anyone has went through something similiar i would love to know how they remedied the problem. Thanks
@genaroflores835
6 жыл бұрын
Kyle17 Did you get surgery to fix it?
@youknowho995 жыл бұрын
27 year old. I got MRI both on shoulders. Right arm (cricket bowling arm) has circumferential tear; most obvious in the anterior inferior quadrant. My arthroscopic surgery was on Feb 12th. (SLAP repair). I adjusted my shoulder sling straps multiple times to get more comfortable (mistakes). 8 Days since, I've been in constant pain. No sleep at nights, 3-4 hour pain interrupted sleep. Sleeping i s hard as i sit upright. If i try to lay down feels like shoulder is falling backwards. I am going to see my surgeon tomorrow to make sure everything is ok. Only exercise i have done is open/close my palm and flex my wrist in the sling, Can you give insight if this is normal/or any concerns
@arim6622
5 жыл бұрын
Can you give me an update on your recovery??
@thehillsarealivewiththesou82937 жыл бұрын
I was at the gym and the machine had a fault so when it stopped i grabbed the bar on my left and i felt a pop. I went to a Dr I have to have an MRI and he says I have a SLAP 11 injury. I am 46 pretty healthy I would rather not have surgery but I have a lot of pain it is only 10 days ago this happned so i am hoping it will settle down. I would rather have try physio.
@chrisoliver8036
6 жыл бұрын
Kirsty McDonald Hey, let me know what you decide. I am 47 and also aggravated an old SLAP tear at Crossfit. Dr recommends surgery but I may try a week of therapy on my own. Do you get an impingement feeling when you lift something over your head?
@terrihowell35845 жыл бұрын
I fell and injured my shoulder. I have this type tear. My ortho is sending me to rehab but I just dont think it will help. I am 47 yrs old. Any ideas?
@laurelchristensen9558
5 жыл бұрын
Terri Howell that is my case too except mine was six weeks ago. Have you made a decision?
@terrihowell3584
5 жыл бұрын
I had surgery March 11th. It was worse than he thought so therapy is slow going
@guillermoparedes6450
4 жыл бұрын
@@terrihowell3584 how are you feeling today?
@jcrisjr7 жыл бұрын
I have a SLAP injury and i'm living a dilema since i've discovered, don't know how to decide, go or not to go for a surgery, i play basketball and also do some gym regularly, i had practicaly to give up from basketball and i had also to reduce a lot on gym, because of the pain, i've tried fisiotherapy and even acunpunture in order to reduce the pain, none of these seems to help too much, would you recommend to go for a surgery, if i do a surgery, how it will be later, can i back to basketball .. can i still doing some gym? Thanks for the video!
@BigBassTurd
7 жыл бұрын
Cris avoid surgery and see a physical therapist. I have heard nightmares about rushing into surgery. I myself chose therapy and seen a 75% reduction in pain in certain movements.
@BigBassTurd
7 жыл бұрын
You have to work on the muscles stabilizing the the shoulder. If you focus on the bicep when going to the gym you are going to jack the slap tear up more.
@jcrisjr
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your tips!!..i still going to the gym, had to lower the weight, i can't deal with the same weight anyway :( i'll look for a therapist again in a attempt to reduce the pain
@abekor70
6 жыл бұрын
Cris Jr can you describe to me what your pains and trigger points are? I'm on the same boat as you wether to get a surgery or not. I get pain when I do an overhead throw of lift. Any inner rotation hurts it too. I can move my humeral head kinda like pop out back and forth. Did you have the same symptoms?
@hrishabhbhatt5126 жыл бұрын
I have postero superior glenoid labrum tear...i had subluxations 4 times n 2 times disclocation that required reduction...i wish to join army...so should i go for arthoscopic surgery??
@harshdeep7545
4 жыл бұрын
Bro I also have labrum tear problem and want to join indian army that's why I don't want surgery
@EricGross1446 жыл бұрын
Is it okay to take ibuprofen and tough it out, or will that make it worse? I can scale the exercises down so they’re not hitting as hard on the shoulder but it hurts pretty at night when the drugs wear off. And will the shoulder recover if I continue exercising it on ibuprofen?
@DrDavidGeier
6 жыл бұрын
Ibuprofen probably doesn’t have much effect, good or bad, on a labral tear.
@rahulyewale.39575 жыл бұрын
Sir I had tear in shoulder 1 o clock position what should I have to do i mean can I recover this injury by physiotherapy
@DrDavidGeier
5 жыл бұрын
Patients can always try PT to see if it helps.
@joannemcvey68747 жыл бұрын
I have something going on...pain and limited movement when moving arm overhead or behind my body or side raising after having my arm wrenched back while running (my 40kg dog was attacked from behind by another dog). I am over 50 and WAS fit and pain-free. I've had 4 months of physio and with no improvement, I am thinking I need the surgery option. :-(
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+Joanne McVey I hope you get better!
@rupsdelson Жыл бұрын
I dislocated my shoulder and put it back to its original position. I got my MRI and the result says that I have anterior labrum tear. Do i need to get a surgery or exercise will get it heal and strong? Thank you in advance doc
@DrDavidGeier
Жыл бұрын
If you are able, join Dr. Geier here on Friday’s Ask Dr. Geier Live! show at Noon ET, on Oct. 14. He would be happy to discuss this injury. Also, check out the hundreds of videos here and thousands of articles on his website - drdavidgeier.com - in which he discusses every musculoskeletal injury suffered by athletes and active people. - Dr. David Geier team
@SaanichtonMinistries
Жыл бұрын
Great question I am in the same position… 2 dislocated shoulders back to back. I had no idea how easy the second dislocated shoulder would happen…. Just lifting a towel up…
@SaanichtonMinistries
Жыл бұрын
This is the question. If I could do PT or get a clear answer on labrum’s ability to heal that would be great…
@ethanstone13425 жыл бұрын
Just went through surgery, I had a torn labrum, bursitis, as well as rotator cuff tendinitis 🙁
@avadhut1
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Ethan how was your surgery and how are you feeling now? I have also diagnosed with Slap tear and bursitis. Can you give after surgery situation.
@tylerhorn30687 жыл бұрын
I play baseball and i have a slap tear and just had surgery, my question is will I return to throwing 100%, also how long will it take?
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+tyler horn It depends what was done, but it can take 4-6 months for a reattachment of the labrum.
@ArchaicHeadhunter5 жыл бұрын
Two years ago I had a labral tear with bicep detachment, tried PT first but it only made it worse. Did surgery then more PT and it’s fine today. But now my left shoulder has a glenoid labral tear and yet again I was assigned PT with no improvement, MRI with dye in the joint is scheduled then possibility of another surgery in the near future. The physical therapy before the surgery is painful and not helpful what so ever. If your going thru shoulder pain get second opinions! No need in being in pain for months if it won’t help the problem to begin with is what I’ve experienced so far.
@garyleeheard3434
4 жыл бұрын
So after detachment from bicep ,are you able to lift fully like before?.. because that's what they tell me I need to do with my situation.
@ArchaicHeadhunter
4 жыл бұрын
GARY HEARD yeah the only time I can tell anything with it is when I fall asleep on it the wrong way. It’s back like normal even with heavy lifting
@garyleeheard3434
4 жыл бұрын
@@ArchaicHeadhunter sweet thanks.. I'm jus looking up Every recovery vid haha. Like most people I use my arm alot for work. I even thought of applying for a different job a year from now..only due to being worried about completing job duties...or Workin out again or even my side job of Detailing cars .. so thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
@ArchaicHeadhunter
4 жыл бұрын
GARY HEARD I did the same thing. No problem and best of luck
@garyleeheard3434
4 жыл бұрын
@@ArchaicHeadhunter Thanx
@travisconklin27957 жыл бұрын
I'm 15 and I'm a baseball player pitcher and I have been diagnosed with a slap tear and my doctor told me to do physical therapy for about 6 weeks I was just was wondering if u ageee I'm trying to get back to playing as fast as possible
@juliarose7572
3 жыл бұрын
What happened?
@yobased28726 жыл бұрын
I have had what I am pretty sure is a torn shoulder labrum for the past 3 years. I have tried many types of therapy and it does not work. I am pretty sure it is just torn from bench pressing too heavily a few years back. I don't have health insurance. If I get health insurance in January, will health insurance pay for it?
@DrDavidGeier
6 жыл бұрын
I don’t know in your case specifically, but generally insurance companies cover labels tear and their treatment.
@yobased2872
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. David Geier Alright, thanks a lot.
@satyanarayansahoo63586 жыл бұрын
sir i am satyajit sahoo i am from india when i am playing cricket i through the ball and suddenly some pain fell on my shoulder in that day to the current day i fell pain on my shoulder i hv treatment many more time but the doctors are said go to physiotherapy but no one can gv me better suggestions right now i am not playing cricket when i am trying to bowling i hv fell lots of pain and my shoulder bone moments automatically so can u tell me how i am fit in the present day
@kannansmiles3
4 жыл бұрын
Few year ago I had slap tear when playing cricket and after 1 year i did surgery. Iam ok.. call me if you need more information 9790000133
@Sewerinho16 жыл бұрын
just had an MRA for my shoulder and they found that my labrum is teared from 7 to 12 o clock .. :/
@DrDavidGeier
6 жыл бұрын
I hope it turns out well, whatever you have to do.
@noherekruger37387 жыл бұрын
I have a slap tear, and my bicep tendon seems to pull at it - or click and pop, but mostly hinders me at the gym on chest day with presses. Seems to be the only time it hinders me. Is the only way top stop that with surgery? What would be the recovery time if they didnt have to cut the bicep tendon and is that possible? It doesnt nearly bother me enough to have surgery if they cut the bicep tendon but if its possible to just sew up or trim out the labrum part it might be worth it.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+No Here Kruger Physical therapy can help some patients, but some do need surgery.
@noherekruger3738
6 жыл бұрын
So basically it totally went away on its own.
@ovidiumoise92227 жыл бұрын
I was doing vertical wall climbing, slipped and held on with my right hand, and i think that's when I had my SLAP, on the moment i only felt like a knife pain in the shoulder. Now, three weeks after, still slight pain, i can move my arm almost in any direction but I have very little force, i feel like my shoulder wouldn't be able to cope with more than a few lbs. Did MRI, consulted three doctors, two say I should do surgery, one says i shouldn't. What should i do? I didn't start yet any therapy. My MRIs are here archived: www.dropbox.com/s/ikti2drhbuhr6pl/RightShoulder_MRI.zip?dl=0
@ovidiumoise9222
7 жыл бұрын
And some pics: www.dropbox.com/s/jtpaxvxipnqc8pt/pic1.png?dl=0
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@walidnaimi6303
6 жыл бұрын
Hello Dr David, thank you for your insightful video, can you please tell us if small labrum tears can heal by themselves or do all tears require surgery ?
@QuietStorm828
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. David Geier I have a slap tear. I did 12 physical therapy visits over for four weeks and there wasn’t any change. I even tried a cortisone shot, same result. My orthopedist wants me to do four more weeks of physical therapy but I am not convinced that it’s going to work
@haimbenjamin6560
5 жыл бұрын
Injured my shoulder playing basketball years ago. Blocking motion applying force down on the ball as opponent went up with the ball which resulted in a simultaneous upward counter-force. Since the acute injury, overhead throws (football or baseball) take 15 mins of warm-up before really being able to rip. A physician diagnosed a slap tear (no MRI) years ago. My experience has been the area can strengthen on its own (minimal rehab) and can revert back to square 1 anytime after overhead throw or similar force as original injury. No problem just build it back up. About a month ago I woke up and it reverted from sleep. I'm able to stay active (mountain-biking, basketball, football, skiing) but moving on and off this shoulder while sleeping sucks. I plan to start focused exercises and am interested in any suggestions based on what I've described. Perhaps I'll consider a surgical repair one day.
@ashpee2008
5 жыл бұрын
I just found out in December 2018 that I have a slap tear in my right shoulder. MRI arthrogram showed it. Before I found out I had one I did physical therapy 3-4 months, 2 cortisone injection and 2 trigger point injections. Still having pain. I'll be having surgery in February.
@tessap5280
2 жыл бұрын
@@ashpee2008 how did surgery help ?
I've been waiting to post about my SLAP repair experience on this video for over a year, but wanted to achieve full recovery before doing so: I'm a 23 year old male who had a labral tear in my right shoulder from baseball pitching and various other activities (weight lifting, swimming). Notable symptoms were clicking/popping/grinding of the shoulder during flat bench press, but it escalated to a sharp/deep pain during resting periods. I received an MR Arthrogram which revealed the tear. I attempted 2 months of physical therapy before surgery, which made the shoulder feel better. However, surgery was still required understanding that I want a full life ahead of me filled with athletic activity. In October (10 months ago), I underwent surgery to fix my SLAP Type VIII, and it was also discovered I had a partially torn rotator cuff and osteoarthritis. The procedure was successful and required 5 anchors. The road to recovery was extensive. I couldn't shower for the first 5 days, and afterwards needed to cover my arm in the shower with a trash bag for 2 more weeks. My surgeon provided me with simple exercises for the first 3 weeks, and installed a device which aided the performance of this. At 3 weeks, I began visiting the PT facility twice a week, and completed required exercises twice a day at home. Before going over my time-table, note that my surgeon put me on a very conservative protocol. -6 week mark: sling removed, able to brush teeth, sip a cup of coffee -3 months: range of motion nearly back; external rotation still very weak. Began working out legs, but no barbell squats. -5 months: lat-pull downs, chest flies (machine only), bicep curls, tricep extension (cables), rows ----> all very light weight -7 months: barbell squats (probably could've done it earlier, but didnt feel comfortable putting weight on my back until then) -10 months: swimming, incline bench press, deadlifting ---> started off very light, but slowly gaining strength back Hope this might help with somebody about to go through this. Thanks to Dr Geier for posting this video, it was of great help when trying to identify my injury.
@Ryujinn999
4 жыл бұрын
stillersupreme just had surgery 15 hours ago, thank you for this insight. Is it possible if others can recover faster then the other person? I believe recovery is different for everyone
@garyleeheard3434
4 жыл бұрын
So is this highly recommend?. This is what they say that I need now . So I'm time will person be able to work out fully or jus depend on the person?..
@NoobTX
3 жыл бұрын
Ive been avoiding my injury for 4 year went to check today and its a slap tear dono if i can run away anymore must lift
@Guallow
3 жыл бұрын
How was/is your shoulder now? do you have full range of motion, (overhead, behind back, etc..) What kind of anchors? "Plastic strips" or "screws"? what material? And what about dexterity and strength in the fingers?
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
Hi I have slap tear with no range of motion and pain issue but when I go heavy on my bench press especially wide I get pain and I also get deep sensation of pain post workout. Do you think I need surgery??
I was diagnosed with a SLAP tear and got only surgery as an option from the doc. Toughed it out for 3 months, got full mobility, and after 6 months was in the gym lifting weights, as I was pain free. I sometime get slight pain when training hard chest or shoulders. I get popping noises in the bad shoulder in certain movements. Hope i don't agravate the injury, i'm not afraid of the surgery, but the recovery.
@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521
5 жыл бұрын
Ion Zaifu so did you get the surgery?? Or did the PT?
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521 Hi I have slap tear with no range of motion and pain issue but when I go heavy on my bench press especially wide I get pain and I also get deep sensation of pain post workout. Do you think I need surgery??
@jnybeth
3 жыл бұрын
@@foralgorithm656 I had similar pain issue. Full range of motion but only hurt I when would go hard on my activities (rock climbing, yoga) and workouts. managed to put off off my surgery for 5 years. Finally got the surgery and was back to 100% in about a year. Now I am dealing with a SLAP tear on my other shoulder and having the same debate all over again.
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@jnybeth ahh what are your Symptoms for right shoulder..?? By the way did you gain full range of motion and strength back after your surgery for the left
I had SLAP tear surgery and it ruined my shoulder permanently, wished I never did it. Had it done 6 yrs ago and had to have 2 more to fix that horror surgery. AVOID SURGERY AT ALL COSTS!
@shahhasan6672
3 жыл бұрын
I had it 5 months back and the diagnosis test are positive yet How can I go about it now
@alexanderanghel7946
2 жыл бұрын
Ive also had a slap tear repair survery about 8 years ago on my right arm. It fixed the disfunction I had in my right shoulder however it reduced my shoulder mobility. For me it was a give and take. I can lift extremely heavy and my shoulder is relatively pain free. My other shoulder now has a slap tear and I've been living with it for years but recently contemplating surgery. I'd say try surgery as a last resort.
Great video, I'm going to live with my slap tear (type 2)for as long as I can. I'm a 52 y/o Male been karate, boxing, lifting, running and worked hard since I was a teenager. You said what my doctor said to day,,,, It's not going to get worse so I will get fixed when I cant do what I'm doing now
I suffered a shoulder injury playing tennis. Had som pain and discomfort. Enough to visit the Dr. Dr gave me a choice of MRI or PT. The cost was $2,600 for MRI due to equipment compatibility with stents (another story altogether). So I am trying PT. Exercises helping with strength and range of motion. Too early to tell if this is the "solution" but it is certainly worth trying before MRI and or surgery.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+Neil Kirst Keep us informed of your progress Neil!
@andybarry5315
6 жыл бұрын
How much...damn you're getting ripped off. In England private Mri is 400 pounds. In Russia it's 100 pounds. Both used T1.5 machines.
@andybarry5315
6 жыл бұрын
Just to add something that's not too relevant..A private gastrostomy in England costs 1400 pounds whereas the same treatment in Russia is 20 pounds....So here in England we get ripped off as well.
I was diagnosed with SLAP injury 10 months ago. I did PT for about 2 months, it alleviated the pain to some extent but it came back to the prior-PT levels within a month. The MRI showed inflammation in labrum but no clear tear (they did not use the dye). Based on the movement tests, the surgeon thinks it is a labrum tear and is suggesting surgery. I am not sure if I should go for surgery but there doesn't seem to be any better options. Honestly, the pain is not too bad and doesn't interfere with my daily life (not an athlete). It's bad on some mornings and having an ice pack on the shoulder for 10 min relieves it to the level that I don't feel it at all that day. After reading about the possible complications (or no benefits) after surgery I am thinking of toughing it out without surgery. The surgeon himself indicated about 60% chance of reduction in pain after SLAP surgery.
Did physical therapy for my SLAP tear, helped a bit but pain is still there. Im 24, athlete in great shape, and a correction officer - furthering my career to be a police officer, therefore I chose to go with surgery for fixing my SLAP tear. A week out from surgery today and all I am nervous about is the physical therapy afterwards... i want to progress the best I can so I can pass my fitness tests!
@davidkostovski1073
3 жыл бұрын
How are u now?
I partially subluxed my right shoulder behind my back in a weird gym incident 3 years ago. I did extensive rehab and it slowly improved but mundane incidents (putting on a backpack) would set me back months of progress and the pain gradually got worse. Following an MRI, I've just been told that I have a LARGE SLAP tear of of my lebrum and the letter I've received from the Orthopaedic Surgeon says they are looking at "arthroscapy +/- labral repair stabalisation". No wonder it's been such a struggle to rehab! I've not been able to train even remotely as hard as I used to. Can't wait to get my shoulder back!
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+Rich Robinson Good luck!
I'm currently going through my second week of PT. It seems it may be working just a little. My shoulder pain wakes me up about 4, 5, or 6am. There's not any position that I can put my arm. That's even with PT. I'm scheduled to see my doctor in a few weeks. If PT doesn't work after next week I may discontinue services until my doctor visit. There's no need to waste money if it's not improving or the pain is still there.
@Taibshe
5 жыл бұрын
What was the ultimate result of your injury? Did you stay in PT or did you have surgery or what happened?
I had rotator cuff repair and slap repair about 7 years ago. I recently injured the same shoulder. I had an arthro MRI yesterday. Still don’t know the results. My pain is worse since the MRI. How common is it to reinsure the same shoulder after previous surgery
I'm 52 years old I just had a bucket tear It's only been 5 days Very little pain I can move my shoulder Around 70% Waiting to start physical therapy next week...thank for the information...🇺🇲👍🏻
I'm 54 and very fit and active. Based on my physical exam and xrays, my doctor believes I have a labral tear in my right shoulder. He initially wanted to order and MRI coupled with a sonogram and inject dye to confirm his diagnosis. I asked if we could try something less radical to start with. So, he gave me a steroid injection yesterday and a therapy band with prescribed exercises. He said we might get lucky and this problem could only be tendonitis. I have had this problem for 1 1/2 years. I will go back in six weeks and we will reassess. My question is if I do have a tear and I do have surgery, will someone like me at my age really benefit and be able to go back to my regular arm and shoulder workouts with further problems? Or, if my best bet just to continue substituting bothersome exercises with ones that do not aggravate my condition. Thanks.
Injured my shoulder 3 months ago doing Hammer Strength rows at the gym. I tried rest & inactivity for 6 weeks but the pain/discomfort/loss of mobility/instability didn't get any better. Decided to finally see an orthopedist and get a MRI which revealed a type II SLAP tear from 10 o'clock to 1 o'clock. He suggested surgery (biceps tenodesis due to my age, I'm 46) as an option if PT doesn't help. My followup appt with the doctor is in 4 weeks. A seasoned PT at my job has SLAP tears on both shoulders and told me that under no circumstances should I consider surgery for it. I've read so many articles, testimonials, message boards etc over the past week that I don't know if I'm coming or going. This has all gotten so confusing. All I know is that I just want back normal (or as close to normal as I can get) use of my right shoulder and give zero shits about being able to lift weights again at this point. But I don't want to go under the knife unless I absolutely have to. So I'm going to take the trainer's advice and be patient & consistent with PT using fitness bands & doing range of motion work to strengthen the shoulder and see how it goes. He told me it can take 6 months or longer. If he could do it then I guess I can too. Everyone else who's suffering with this has my sympathies.
@martingibbins6621
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Prince Andrew. I've been dealing with this in both shoulders for 2.5 years now with no real improvement. This is a shitty injury. By far the worst I've experienced in my 14 + years of lifting. If you havent already, find yourself a good physio who can do active release techniques. When our body senses instability, it tries to create stability by spasming the surrounding muscles. But muscles in spasm are inherently weak and painful. ART can help with this, as well as improve mobility. This would be my first step, followed by a long term routine centered around progressive (and as pain free as possible) strengthening of the serratus, upper/middle/lower trap, rhomboids and rotator cuff to compensate for the instability. IMO surgeons are far too cavalier about giving a tenodesis. The bicep tendon is there for a reason. But if it comes to it, try to get out of the sling and moving sooner rather than later. People seem to recover much faster when they ditch the sling early. And consider using the peptide bpc-157 post operatively. It specializes in accelerating tendon healing to bone. If you want to get a better idea of what the recovery is like, I'm in a facebook group for shoulder surgery patients or 'victims' as i call them. It's called "shoulder surgery support group (rotator cuff tears & arthritis)." Best of luck. Say hello to lenny and leather daddy pls 😘
@lespritdavid3508
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thx for sharing your experience, I find myself in the exact same situation at the same age (46). I had MRI showing SLAP tear after hurting myself while surfing and I can't use my arm anymore for the last 3~4 months. Did the PT solved your problem or did you have surgery at some point?
@DelDrew
3 жыл бұрын
@@martingibbins6621 Just seeing this now! Appreciate the response.
@DelDrew
3 жыл бұрын
@@lespritdavid3508 I finally opted for surgery a year and a half ago. Had a bicep tenotomy performed, detaching it from the labrum. My surgeon would have considered a bicep tenodesis but he said the tendon wasn't in good enough condition to salvage & screw into the humorous bone. Tenotomy solved the pain and ROM issues, only minor downside to the procedure for me is occasional bicep cramping if I overuse the muscle or inadvertently flex it. No deformation of the muscle after a year and a half thankfully like some people get. Recovery time was minimal with just 5-7 days of post-op discomfort. All in all very happy with the result. Good luck!
I was diagnosed with mri with having a slap tear in my shoulder from weightlifting in the gym.. I have been training even with the injury I must admit certain exercises are out of the question, but when this happened I couldn’t do push-ups due to the pain... Without any kind of therapy other than my weight training I can now do push-ups again with no pain and it seems some of my strength is coming back.. This has been over the course of about 3 months so we’ll see if time will heal it!! I’m also 48 yrs old and have become a gym rat.. My Dr suggested no weight training but that was out of the question, but in fact I feel better after a good workout over not having workout at all!!
@DrDavidGeier
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mcleod for sharing your experience!
I’m FREAKING OUT! I’m a 45 year old surfer and I’ve had shoulder pain for 18 months and it just keeps getting worse. If I try to rest my shoulder gets worse, if I go to the PT or try to rehab it my shoulder gets worse faster. Atm I can’t sleep or do any kind of exercise. My arm locks up with a pinching pain right on the top of my shoulder which radiates into my arm and neck. I had a MRI which revealed a fairly large SLAP tear. I’ve seen 3 shoulder surgeons who tell me that SLAP tears are fairly normal in someone my age and that it’s likely that the tears is not the cause of my pain. I have booked in with the top surgeon for shoulder surgery in which he’ll go into my shoulder to have a look and potential repair the tear. Has anyone else has a similar experience with shoulder pain? I have the surgery booked for a week from today but I don’t want to do it if it’s going to be a waste of time or potentially make my shoulder worse.
@rodneypeck197
6 жыл бұрын
I'm going through the same problem diagnosed with a labrum tear over 40.
@vinnie92703
6 жыл бұрын
Ben Andrews did u go thru with it
@ArmandoRamirez-yx5be
6 жыл бұрын
I would try rehab first. I had surgery for a SLAP te and it is actually worse now. Probably due to the scar tissue or trauma from the surgery. It’s been a year since the surgery
@tjgill1298
5 жыл бұрын
Get surgery done, and make sure you actively do physio therapy afterwards for a good 6 months. Act like you are a world class athlete, and your shoulder will be like new. All these horror stories of people whos surgeries didnt go as planned are of people who were not proactive in their recovery, do your research spend the time in and outside the gym. This is coming from someone who had surgery on both right and left and had tremendous success, I powerlift now and have had absolute no problems. My shoulders are actually my strength now. Goodluck
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@tjgill1298 Hi I have slap tear with no range of motion and pain issue but when I go heavy on my bench press especially wide I get pain and I also get deep sensation of pain post workout. Do you think I need surgery??
I don’t understand I’ve been in a lot of pain, mainly in my bicep area. I’ve been diagnosed with a slap tear. I’ve failed p t. So, it seems like after that then surgery. So, what I’m hearing is a lot of people have slap tears and some people don’t know. Well, then, fix the ones that are in pain. The injection didn’t help either. My surgeon is suggesting surgery.
I had a fall last November and my should was injured after MRI following are the analysis : I have a Glenoid Labrum torn from 1 to 4 o'clock position. Hyperintense singal is also noted i superior Labrum-SLA2-tear The long head of biceps tendon is normal. Rest of Glenoid labrum and articular cartialage is intact. Cortical irregularity is noted in naterior aspect of glenoid without significant flattering. The acromion is of Type II. Mild acromioclavicular arthrosis is seen. There is mild glenohumeral effusion. Visualised bones appear normal. I have taken physiotherapy for 3 months and some of the pain is some positions have gone. but now the remaining pain still exits. My Physio have told me that I cannot push anything above my shoulder by I can puul. I can do anything below shoulder level. I want to know if I join GYM and exercise, which exercises are not to be done and which are to be done on light weights until other muscles get strong and support the shoulder. OR Surgery is required?
So at 21, it seems like there's no hope and i have to take the route of surgery 😕
Here's a question for You Dr. What is your view on Injecting Human Growth Hormone to help speed up the rate of healing and recovery?
Shoulder dislocation… it is not the pain I am worried about or even care about, it is another dislocated shoulder. I have had it pop out the second time 3 days after the initial injury trying to hang up a towel. The first was a result of steady overload pressure on it pushing an object with full force. I think surgery is the only option. I have been told to immobilize it never mind PT.
Hello I was diagnosed with a labrum slap tear, I am a 25 year old bodybuilder, this most likely happened from shoulder subluxation cause of weak rotator cuff and scapula muscles, did physical therapy for months and strengthening excercises of scapula have helped, stretching always made it worse, in the gym I can do everything I need to do except anything behind the head, is surgery necessary for this or should I avoid it because I am getting by without it
@jayveepoison5792
4 жыл бұрын
Did you opt surgery?
My shoulder kept popping out during everyday activities. I got labrum surgery. Then it popped out again, and continued popping out during everyday activities. So I got another surgery because I could not deal with it. A while after that surgery it popped out. My labrum is torn and I am torn whether to get surgery or not. I have not have bad sublexions since it popped out but I can feel the shoulder is still not stable and only is not popping out because of my muscles keep the shoulder in and being extremely mindful of what position I put the shoulder in. I feel it can easily pop out if put in a bad position. I have had about two scares where I felt it starting to sublex just a tiny bit, it did not really hurt but I could just slightly feel the shoulder getting out of position. It was a bit sore the following days of those but nothing like the initial shoulder pop outs. I can do most things I would want to do, longboard, bike, do some working out, do most yoga and stretching but would like to do more. I feel things like ice skating, snowboarding, water skiing, rock climbing, breaststroke swimming, and other adventurous things like that I could try again; but it has a high probability of popping out. I am relatively satisfied with being able to do the things I am doing now, especially because I have not been able to do them since my first surgery, but I am worried in the future I wont be able to move furniture, or it will discourage me from trying new things, or pop out if I try new things.
@SaanichtonMinistries
Жыл бұрын
Sound like me
i ve SLAP tear. this is MRI FINDING. i play cricket nd i m a fast bowler cum fast throwing fielder. i have pain in my dominant limb. throwing worsens my pain nd rest treats my pain. bowling speed has reduced drastically. pain with all other things.... all orthopedics suggested arthroscopic repair followed by intensive Physiotherapy. i personally want to undergo physiotherapy then surgery. would this help me ?is it a good decision ?
If my Shoulder is constantly poping out of the socket and I manually place it back in the socket does it damage the labrum ?? because I may do this 30 time in a day...Second Question do you tink prp or Stem cell could rebuild the labrum ??
@michaelpollack6145
7 жыл бұрын
smashu2. I had labral and slap tear surgery 2 weeks ago. Since then I've done a bit of reading on the subject, and have read that shoulder instability like you are having can and often will cause labrum tears. But before they would do any labrum surgury, they would want to find the cause of the shoulder instability and fix that first, because if not the tear would just likely reoccur. Also, I have heard and read that stem cell treatment can in some cases repair a torn labrum. Same issue though, if you have something else going on thats causing dislocation frequently, it would just redamage any repairs, whether done surgically or with stem cell injections. Hope that was somewhat helpful.
@justinbates4447
5 жыл бұрын
The answer is yes
I was diagnosed with a slap tear, and I haven't had an MRI done, the Army doesn't want to waste the money, I'm in physical therapy, no improvement. should I push the docs to do surgery?
@rhjxxx
6 жыл бұрын
Dante Williams i had a surgery for both SLAP type 3 tear and Vankart for my right arm when I was in thr army too. i served in ROK Army, so im not sure how the US Army is gonna deal with this in the first place. But remember this. Physical therapy wont help the pain get gone at all if your tear has reached at least SLAP type 2. I was medically discharged and then transferred to reserve duty as the rehab period after surgery was expected to be more than a year, and the army believed that i wouldnt do my full jobs in active duty during my service time. That is so true that i wasnt able to do hardcore pull ups and clean jerks till the middle of this year 2017; i had a surgery in late 2015. But if you wanna get rid of the pain completely, u have to take surgery. Labrum tear cant heal itself at the certain point, which means your symptoms will get severe and damaged more as long as you keep giving pressure on your shoulder.
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@rhjxxx Hi I have slap tear with no range of motion and pain issue but when I go heavy on my bench press especially wide I get pain and I also get deep sensation of pain post workout. Do you think I need surgery??
@rhjxxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@foralgorithm656 all decisions must be determined by yourself and your doc, pal. But if your pain has been severe and lasting for a while without any sign of healing, you must check out with your doc immediately. I do not suggest avoiding surgery because taking more time will only be worse. If you wanna keep doing heavy exercises without worrying about your pain, the surgery is the best option. Nonetheless, like I said, please talk to your doctor seriously.
@foralgorithm656
3 жыл бұрын
@@rhjxxx but I heard that there are some instances where even after surgeries they are suspectible to getting a tear again
About 12 years ago, I prematurely moved up in dumbbell weight to 90 lb dumbbells for flat bench presses. On the 3rd rep, it took everything I had to complete the rep. Later on, my shoulder hurt bad. Couldn't adjust radio in car. Doc said torn labrum. Therapy and cortisone shots didn't help. Went in athroscopically to fix. Went thru post surgery pt. FF to today, Been working out every day, added military press on Smith rack, weight wasn't low enough, shoulder acted up again. I throttled off of all exercises, stopped military press, do long warm ups from ask dr jo on youtube, her slap tear video, and dr john bergman has a video where he is doing a pendulum exercise with kettlebells. Shoulder doing better.
Hi David, I probably have a slap tear. I got MRI done but still it's not clear. I'm very confused whether to go for a surgery or not. I can even send you my MRI report. Please suggest. Thanks!
@arifc2521
5 жыл бұрын
What did u do about that mean? U got surgery or not? cause I also have MRI and dcos not sure about that because they said MRI dosen't show those tear properly.I haven't decided yet? What's ur suggestions?
@cwolfe10890
5 жыл бұрын
Get an MR Arthrogram first
Hi sir I am jeeva from INDIA. I had take MRI scan in that it shows ANTERIAL LABERAL TEAR. But I can move my right hand. But I have pain ever day how to cure this please help me sir
@edreed5571
5 жыл бұрын
Medical marijuana will fix it.
I had posterior labral tear from bowling at cricket 2 years ago. I tried to went physical therapy first. It did not work. Although my pain went away for normal activity and I had reasonably stable shoulder. But as soon as I stared bowling again the pain came back quite sharply. I simply could not bowl. So I recently went for the surgery 3 weeks ago. Surgeon said to get my full capacity back it will at least 8/9 months. So hopefully I will start playing next season.
@mohsinraza884
3 жыл бұрын
bhai sugary k alawa koi option pls help
Hi, I had a slap tear back in 2011 in my late 20's. I rehab'd and now I'm back at the age of 35 after another sports injury with another slap tear. Wondering how successful physical therapy is and the long term effects of not having the labrium reattached.
my shoulder has been hurting for 3 months. my bench press dropped from 315 to 275 and doing more than 10 reps of any weight is painful. I don’t know if I should get surgery because I don’t want to risk ending up worse than before. lifting weights is the only thing I enjoy in life. serious.
Have a slap tear because of throwing. Tried accupunture, teraphy and strengthening treatment for about a year. Tried everything! But finally I'll have surgery
@christopherrodriguez567
7 жыл бұрын
Hey wassup man How's it going I also may have received a slap tear throwing. Operation was recommended but haven't decided on it yet. Have you received the surgery ? How has the recovery been for you ?
Hi Doctor. I have a type 2 slap tear in my right shoulder and I'm scheduled to have surgery on July 13th. I heard of PRP. Would that be a better option?
@arifc2521
5 жыл бұрын
How was surgery man?How are u now?
Hi David, I have a SLAP lesion in my left shoulder, and it was confirmed with MRI with contrast. I acquired this tear 2 years ago in a rollover car crash. I'm super active, and I snowboard to a very high level. I've spent 2 years doing PT, and I can get the shoulder built back up to about 70% strength. The issue is, it doesn't take much to knock it back down to, say, 20% strength. I can simply slip and put my hand down, or tumble in deep powder snow, and the should starts popping, clicking, snapping and getting "stuck", and will stay that way for as long as a month while I rehab it again. It will also get bad if I hit the weight room, and do any sort of pressing motions. I've decided to finally go under the knife and get this fixed. Its driving me NUTS. I'm 33 years old and still have a lot of years of living an athletic / active life, and I'm tired of having this bad shoulder. I have a background in exercise physiology and biomechanics, and am very well versed in this injury. Curious to hear your professional thoughts. Thanks!!
@MikeMacias
5 жыл бұрын
How is the surgery? I'm considering it because my orthopedic recommends it because I'm only 34
@luisoquendo9382
4 жыл бұрын
Hey men how did it go?
Im a 38 y/o rock climber and mountain biker with a slap tear and arthritic bone growths. I cant climb d/t pain and the feeling of it partially dislocating. Cant mountain bike because it hurts. PT has only made it worse and I have tried 2 different therapists. Doc sais biceps tendonisis cleaning up bown spurs and a nerve realease is probably what I need with possible slap repair depending on how bad it is. Does this sound logical.
@curtislewis2042
5 жыл бұрын
Seems legit. I had s slap tear in 2011 and went for surgery. I was no longer able to mountain bike due to the pain and overhead impact caused dislocations. I am now back at the age of 35 with another slap tear and debating if I should try physical therapy. But judging by most people's comments it hasnt worked out too well.
Hi Dr…. I’ve been having discomfort with my left shoulder for the last year. I have got an MRI saying that every is fine, long bicep, rotator cuff, no atrophies, no liquids, no cyst. The only thing it says is that I have a very small tear in my labrum at 2oclock. I brought the results to my surgeon who already fixed my other shoulder and he told me he don’t want to operate that one. He is basically saying that the tear is too small and it would do more damage if he does procedure in it. So he said to some physio to reinforce the muscles around your shoulders to stabilize the labrum and after a while the pain might go away. It’s been a month now and so far I don’t see any improvement. So my question is should I be more patient with the physio? Should I challenge my surgeon and beg him to do the surgery anyway which most of the time is NOT a good idea challenging an orthopedic surgeon lets be honest :P or should I try Stem Cell? Supposedly it works but its funny because the labrum is not vascularized so how is it supposed to work? Thank you for your answer. I appreciate it
@cidd04
3 жыл бұрын
have the same problem now. any updates?
My shoulder keeps subluxing (popping out partially) but then pops back in. Hurts for maybe 2 days then goes back to normal. Until it happens again. Rinse and repeat. No pain after 2 or 3 days. Any advice?
@Guallow
3 жыл бұрын
It seem like you have some Hyper mobility in your shoulder. I think you need to strengthen and stabilize your shoulder joint. Go to a Physiotherapist and train it. Maybe try some light Kettlebell'ing.
Please point me to any source that might help! I had both shoulders with Slap repairs over one year ago (four months apart) I struggled with escalating pain and impingement issues which I did not have before surgery. I am far worse off now than before. A recent contrast MRI shows tendonosis of each rotator cuff tendon as well as a significant Slap tears and moderate glenohumeral arthritis in both shoulders. I believe there was something about the capsules which were not dealt with that led to a struggle with everything prescribed to me including PT. I now cannot feel stable in any position and do indeed feel constant pain, especially if I do anything other than rest all day. The surgeons don't seem to want to acknowledge anything missed on their behalf. In addition I also received three corticosteroid shots in each shoulder over a one-year period. Each time I had any local anesthetic with lidocane, xylocaine or buprivicvane I have experienced increased pain and a sense that my shoulders are falling off. I was an active happy person all my life, and now I consider more unacceptable options to finish this nightmarish ordeal.
@studiogeek1
5 жыл бұрын
How are you making out man? Any better @Michael Dooley?
I used to be able to throw a baseball/football pretty well, but my throwing ability slowly got worse. The worst pain occurred when I tried to throw a soccer ball like a baseball, and it has never really got better. I used to be able to throw from the outfield, but now I can barely throw from second base to 1st. I tried steroids, went to a orthopedic and they sent me to physical therapy. I still can't throw. I think the orthopedic said I have a possible internal impingement(is slap the same thing). Should I get an MRI? I have had to quit baseball because the pain and loss of ability was too much.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+sni04588 Sometimes an MRI can show structural damage, like a SLAP tear.
@mindofzyzz8805
6 жыл бұрын
If the pain doesn't go away its a sign that there is damage that needs to be fixed through surgery. You need an arthrogram MRI
@puneetgaonkar3492
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. David Geier I need your help doctor I got labral tear on my left shoulder , should I go for arthoscropy?
I have been doing PT for about 2 months, it helped a lot but didn't cure the pain in certain motions fully. It all comes down to what pain and immobility you are willing to deal with. I haven't fully decided yet to do the tendon relocation and shaving as PT helped a ton. I will continue with PT until the pain and discomfort is unbearable or disappears.
@BigBassTurd
7 жыл бұрын
I am going back to my surgeon. I had a cortisone shot and now 4 months of rehab. All was going well but now I am noticing pain and immobility again :(
After 5 months of pain, The Specialist diagnosed a SLAP tear in my right shoulder. I'm 58 years old. He has prescribed two to three months of physical therapy, twice a week. Per this video, that sounds like a reasonable prescription, correct?
Suffered shoulder dislocation and slap tear after extending my arm on a skateboard fall. Did 6 months of PT and got my shoulder to about 70% where it was before. Reaching up and throwing was still a problem. Suffered a partial dislocation last week randomly (13 months after injury) and am now in constant pain. I am having the surgery done in two weeks. I will update my progress in a few months.
@t100base
7 жыл бұрын
i use got that injury. i had a fucked up shoulder from my baseball days also. so i might consider just doing the surgery. how are you able to skate now? do you skate less?
@abekor70
6 жыл бұрын
how is it going now? fully recovered?
@t100base
6 жыл бұрын
had the surgery. decided to go for surgery right away then do therapy.
@abekor70
6 жыл бұрын
t100base how bad was your symptoms? Can you explain them to me and how you feel now? My MRI appointment is going to take for more than 2 months from now and I want to fully know if my thing is serious. I got it from volleyball from one hit I had.
@abekor70
6 жыл бұрын
t100base my symptoms are more different maybe even a slap tear level 1. It's been over a year that I've had this and I've been to multiple physio therapies some say it's impinge and some say it's labrum tear. My symptoms are anything above head throwing or above head weight training hurts. I have poping sound and I can move my humeral head back and forth like it's coming out of the socket. Any internal rotation hurts. Although at the time I had minimum rotation but now I have full rotation but the symptoms are still there. Dk what the fuck it is, I've been researching for the past year. Might even be bursitis? Dk. I'm just ask people that had slap what kind of symptoms they had and kind of compare. Thanks for opening man and hopefully you have a full shoulder recovery and get back to playing ball.
i'm currently a pitcher in college and about 2 years ago i dislocated my shoulder and the mri showed a tear in 2 places, pretty sure slap and bankart, i did 3 months of pt and returned to playing slowly. ever since the incident i have had discomfort/instability in my shoulder when throwing and with other movements. my main concern is the it might be getting worse or that if i decide to get surgery that i would never be able to throw as hard as i do now... just curious, is it worth really looking into surgery from an athletes point of view or should i just keep playing with it as long as it doesn't get noticeably worse?
@harshdeep7545
4 жыл бұрын
Bro my labrum also tear from two sides but I don't want surgery can fix it with physical exercises
Thanks. That helped a lot....
Over 3 months ago, I missed a step and fell on my elbow/forearm on cement pool rocks. After 2 months of consistent pain and limited mobility, I finally got an MRI which revealed SLAP tear and also fluid around biceps tendon in the bicipital groove. Starting PT next week for 6 weeks to see if I can get range of motion back and pain relief. I haven't been able to throw a ball normal since then. I have 3 daughters that play softball, 2 of them are pitchers so throwing a ball is part of my lifestyle that has now become difficult. At least my girls get a chuckle while they watch me try to throw. Underhand toss is what I've resorted to. Hoping PT helps, but not very optimistic. Just having the Dr check my muscle strength and move my arm makes me so sore for a couple days. Fingers crossed I recover someday. I'm 42, but very active and I'm a runner. My shoulder usually snap, crackle, and pops about 3 times during my runs.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
Good luck! I hope that works!
@JNTVM
7 жыл бұрын
Amy tiburzio How is your PT going ? Nice video btw
@amytiburzio5379
7 жыл бұрын
Jimmy N.T.V.M I did 8 weeks of PT and it really did help! I only went once a week, but I really made an effort to do my home exercises every day. I gained almost full range of motion back and am starting to throw overhand at about 60% effort. I'm working on getting full throwing back, but I still feel like it will hurt, so I take it easy. I don't have 100% range in my arm, but less things cause me pain now. My shoulder is still rotated forward, but the goal of PT was to strengthen all of the muscles around it and I believe it worked. I'm back at the gym doing pretty much normal routine. I feel a slight soreness in my bicep and sometimes I can't get a full extension if I'm lifting a hand weight over my head, but it just feels like something gets caught in my shoulder and if I roll my shoulder back to try to get it in the correct position (since it's rotated forward) then I can get more extension. I feel like I can live with this now, but I need to keep up some home exercises to keep the muscles strong. I don't know how long it will last, but I'm happy with my results as of now. I was released from weekly PT visits and am on just home maintenance unless I need to go back.
@yousefzarbalian47
7 жыл бұрын
Jimmy N.T.V.M Any luck with rest followed by PT this time? How long did you rest? I assume by rest you mean avoiding any overhead activity. I have had right shoulder pain since a tennis injury 12 years ago. After spiking a volleyball 2 months ago, I developed recurrent pain. I have been seeing a sports med specialist who identified some labral pathology (possible slap injury) on ultrasound. He is doing prolotherapy injections (unclear if this is helpful to me and the scientific literature in support of it is not strong at all). However, I had 2 flares of pain in the past month - the first with bike riding and the second with swimming freestyle. Which leads me to believe I have not been resting the shoulder appropriately. I'm hoping I can avoid surgery.
If there's a tear or rip how will jus rehab sort it 🤷
Dr..my shoulder was dislocated nearly 8 to 10 times.l'm an badminton player...I need surgery r can I srengthen it again by resistance band exercises..?
Hi i have a grade 2 slap tear in the left shoulder. I got it from a fall. My question is should you exercise on it even when it painful.
Thanks for the video. I was going to physical therapy for 9 months but still would feel discomfort right when I get back to work. Recently my doctor is giving me three weeks for PT and no working at all. The labrum tear is 10 to 1 o clock. Do you think I should get surgery? Thanks in advance
I'm having huge pain in my shoulder even after doing physiotherapy and my tear is anferior-inferior labreal tear what should i do ? should I operate ? it's been with for 5 years
Hi Dr. David, Thanks for the nice informative video. 10 days back I had a shoulder injury during cricket match and I was unable to raise my left arm above 45 degree. My MRI revealed the following: Inferior glenohumeral legament complex is ruptured, large fracture of greater tubrosity is identified, large soft tissue bankark is identified, postirior inferior sublexation is identified. Upon consultation with specialist i was recommended open surgery to fix inferior glenohumeral legament so I can back in sports. Please suggest what should i do either surgery or wait so it can fix itself. I want to be 100% fit for sports.
@tjgill1298
5 жыл бұрын
Sohail Hyder ali Hyder ali surgery is the way to go. It will not heal itself unfortunately
apparently I was overly aggressive with shoulder shrugs in the gym almost 3 weeks ago. I awoke the next morning barely able to move my left arm. The pain (dull ache) is in the shoulder joint. Sometimes the pain travels up into my neck...other times down to my finger tips. It"s difficult to pinpoint where the pain is exactly. Some movements are fine...others very painful. I am self diagnosing a SLAP tear. What should I do next? I've stayed out of the gym for nearly 3 weeks and it has not gotten better.
@hamiltondplayer
6 жыл бұрын
more likely to be bursitis
PLEASE HELP ME! I just had an mri and the doctor said it’s a labrum tear he said my labrum had been worn down. No specific injury that I can remember caused this. I’m 16 and don’t know what to do should I get surgery like he wants me to? I played football with this injury and my shoulder has never dislocated I’m not returning to ball but I do like working out. Is surgery necessary?
So if he Dr. Says it's a possible tear for labral tear. What does he mean by that ?.. he recommends the surgery I'm just curious.
I have been having pain for a while now. Probably around a year ago and I play softball and i am a catcher so I think it’s from overuse of throwing. It hurts when I throw and I feel like I have no control over my throws. My shoulder also sometimes shifts out of place. but after resting it didn’t work I got an MRI with contrast which shows irritation which could be a tear but they don’t know 100%. I’ve been to many doctors and I’ve done physical therapy for 4 month 2 doctors said it’s most likely a slap tear and I need surgery or try PRP injection. I decided on surgery and had a consultation with the surgeon but he thinks I should try 6 more weeks of Physical therapy and work on getting flexibility in my internal rotation. It’s 2 weeks into my new physical therapy it doesn’t feel any better and he and my old physical therapist both think it’s a slap tear. I just want to get surgery soon because I start college softball next spring and I need to recover fast. Do you think surgery is the best option?
Dear David, You say Slap tear (I have slap 2)doesnt get worse over time if we don`t do surgery asap. Can you tell me if I can for example do biceps exercises with weights as long as it doesnt hurt ? I am so confused about this as its basicaly a biceps tendon connection but comes with only shoulder pain and my biceps is strong.Thanks a lot for your response and the informative video
I decided to try PT first before surgery with my shoulder pain. The MRI shows I have a slap tear, a bone spur and arthritis along with a tendon causing irritation to the slap tear. I am only 38 and surgery included detachment and re anchoring of a tendon to my humerus, repairing the slap tear and shaving something in the shoulder. I thought this would be orthoscopic but sounds like it is not. My ortho surgeon talked about a large cut on my shoulder which was unexpected. Do you think PT will fix this or am I wasting my time and money? I am working the four muscle groups but not sure how that is going to fix the tear,spur and arthritis. What do you think?
sir i feel cracking sound on my right sholder and pain also. after playing cricket. what is that, then what should i do, i first consent doctor or physio therapy. but i able to move my hand, it's serious ?
The video is helpful! I had a shoulder pain, went to see a chiropractor for 6 times, got MRI diagnosed as SLAP tear, did injection, and the pain was gone for 3 month. Then I got a pain again and started to see PT for 5 weeks now. At the same time, I had a wrist pain, which is the same side as my shoulder pain, and turned out to have a surgery because my TFCC was completely damaged due to the ulnar abutment syndrome. Now I’m having the cast on my wrist with shoulder pain. I am 51 years old and want to avoid another surgery, but my should pain does not go away. What should I do...
Hi, I'm 27 and torn/frayed labrum when I was 17. I had arthroscopic surgery back then to try and fix it. I played baseball. Still to this day, if I try to throw hard, or throw over 90ft, my shoulder hurts. I do not experience any pain during any of the physical therapy exercises. Could this still be a result of the labrum, or could it be something else (ie: biceps tendon). Any help would be appreciated.
posterior dislocation but no surgery yet... immobiliser method currently.. pls suggest
Just got told I have a 180 degree tear. Do I have to have shoulder surgery? I am 24 years old. I first hurt my shoulder when I was 12 or 14. Somewhere around there. I hurt it at least one a year. Did some physical therapy. Didn’t help. And I just left it be. But now it’s hurting really bad. I’m just worried about having a surgery.
I had pain in shoulder from past 8 years on and off... On the 7th year I found it is SLAP injury via MRI... Should I get surgery? Bcoz whenever it comes I'll take NSAID and hot water pouring and some exercise it will go off within 15days sometimes a month... Can anyone help me to come out of this permanently pleas.
I have done PT for 4 weeks. Still constant pain and very little to no progress had been made. Received steroid shot until surgery. You'll know because you will have deep pain in your shoulder (feels like under he shoulder blade)
Im currently a collegiate Javelin thrower. Ive been having shoulder pain since the summer of 2016. We received MRIs that summer and nothing seemed to be very alarming. I have done 9 months worth of basic shoulder rehab but my shoulder has gotten significantly worse. Just this past week I have gotten another up to date MRI. Now the doctors and trainers are telling me I have a SLAP tear. Did the 9 months worth of rehab worsen my shoulder? Is this the time I recommend surgery or do I continue with rehab? Any suggestions or comments helps! Thanks!
Great video and commentary. Question, if the pain from the test is in the upper arm/biceps but not in the shoulder, is that still a positive test? Thanks! Also had a similar circumstance with the Yergason's test where the pain wasn't necessarily in the shoulder but at the top on the side of the arm. Speed's test was negative and apprehension test was positive with some anterior instability there. Thanks!
I just found this video and want to leave a comment maybe questions. I did injure my shoulder so much pain I could lift my arm what so ever. I had to wait for my so called crappy insurance to kick in went to the dr they took X-rays and said that it had appeared that the shoulder had popped out of the socket and back in. MRI was done and he said I had a labrum tear with fluid around the joint. He said I could do surgery or physical therapy but no guarantee that physical therapy will help. Unfortunately I can’t do the surgery because my insurance will not pay for out patient surgery and I don’t have $22K to pay for it. I can sometimes get my arm to shoulder height “sometimes” but there is pain.. how or what exercises will help to get it past the shoulder level without pain?
Hi im 20, play baseball and have a SLAP tear, i have been doing physiotherapy for half a year but have had not much progress... I wanted to ask if I get surgery will I be able to get back to near 100% of throwing the ball if i do rehab properly? Or will it not be the same after surgery?
I experienced a bankart labrum tear in 2010- after a boxing related action. I had surgery to repair it during the rehabilitation it tore again but this time was a slap tear. I had that repaired in 2013-14 which went well how ever I wasn't happy with it so decided to have another surgery to tighten the capsule. During the rehab of that I felt it tear AGAIN- Which was a nightmare. Had an MRI that revealed a tear the surgeon agreed to have a look inside again but said he was 'happy with it.' I still really struggle with the pain when I train. To be honest I wish I had left it alone after the second surgery.
@DrDavidGeier
6 жыл бұрын
+Ian Davidson I’m sure that’s hard. Thanks for sharing your experience!
i tore 3 things in my shoulder causing extreme pain and dislocations up to 6 times a week, my doctor had me do a monthish of physical therapy and my arm just got a lot worse. I'm now prepping myself for surgery in 13 days.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
I hope it turns out well for you!
@luisoquendo9382
4 жыл бұрын
chrys kalib hey men how it went?
I had a SLAP labrum tear on my left shoulder last year and got surgery. Now my right shoulder feels pain when I raise about 170 degrees from anatomical position (starting palm prone). Also when my arm comes from the side palms facing front, I feel not a sharp pain but a tightness about 150-160 of the way up. Should I consider surgery or rehab?
@t100base
7 жыл бұрын
hows your left shoulder.
@SamDunhamYT
6 жыл бұрын
It could be your ac joint
Doc! I had slap tear too I do lot of steching I raised arm up to ear but my external rotation is lost what should I do?
@DrDavidGeier
Жыл бұрын
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Hi, I am an athlete, last December while doing an overhead dumbbell pullover i stretched my arms a bit too much and both my shoulders skidded out of it's resting position. And had severe pain on the same night while sleeping. Went to the doctor, got an X-ray done and found out that no bone injury had occurred. The Doctor prescribed me some pain killers and i felt very normal... Never skipped my gym routine. The pain didn't wear off. Right shoulder had gradual pain while doing pull ups. Got an MRI done on my right shoulder doctor suggested SLAP repair. Which i did 2 months ago. I still have pain on my left shoulder but bearable. And the Surgeon told me let it be and it will be fine. The questions are should i get an MRI done for my left shoulder...? , Will the pain gradually wear off? Will i be able get back to gym asap ? :(
@mehrshadmalekian
3 жыл бұрын
hi i think if you go to the MRI is good you went to surgery ? you fixed your shoulder without surgery?
I have a slap tear and have been doing therapy off and on for 3 months now. I get super frustrated because I keep getting referred to another doctor and then they want to do more pt when do I get a say that I dont believe therapy is helping my pain isnt going away unless I dont use it, But it being my dominant arm it's kinda hard. Though I have gained slight ROM back it's still not enough to write home about
I wish you were my surgeon - you're such a friendly guy!
@DrDavidGeier
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jennifer!
Dr. Geier how long does it take the tear to heal without surgery on average? my slap tear doesn't seem to hurt much at all. Only feels a bit weak
@davidfedorenko784
7 жыл бұрын
Curious how you feel now after a month. I truly believe I tore mine a week ago playing ball and wonder how this might be after a month without surgery.
hi i got slap 2 with 16mm gap, what can you suggest on that ?
My shoulder pain gets bad when I go to bed. It used to be in a small area in the back of my shoulder kept me awake during the nights. No problems with mobility. I a m not an athlete but arm functions fine. After 4 months decided to see my doctor which I was referred to PT which made pain worsen then I was referred to orthopedic surgeon. Physical exam showed everything normal, they divided to inject the shoulder with steroid. Everything went downhill from their my entire arm in pain . Muscle pain which the biceps got numbed near top of shoulder. Finally they decide time for mri which showed the the tear in Labrum and biceps tenden. I feel the damaged mud have been caused by PT since in the beginning they thought that was more like tendentious or muscular problems
@nassermorra
6 жыл бұрын
The labrum tear in the front, after we found out the cause I try not put load on that shoulder also PT not as hard before MRI, which seemed to calm shoulder slightly. I am seeing my orthopedic doctor next week to go over treatment options. Do these kind of tears heals on their own without a surgery
I think I have a slap tear on my non-dominant side. It improves with exercise, like tennis. It usually doesn’t hurt during tennis unless I move a certain way. After playing it feels better. If I go a week without playing, it’s really bad. I does keep me awake at night. Cannot sleep on my side. Would that make sense that moving it helps?
@stretchsje
3 жыл бұрын
This has been my experience as well. I do Ninja Warrior training, which is as aggressive on shoulders as anything, and injured my shoulder through that. Taking a break from modified (lower impact) Ninja training to let the shoulder heal has made it feel much worse. This is completely counterintuitive to me. My doctor said there is no such thing as low stress ninja training, so I should stop. I feel better if I keep up with it, but I do not get to 100% recovered. Going to try some different physical therapy now.
On September 20th 2016 I dislocated my shoulder diving for a ball playing volleyball on a sand court. It was reduced and I did PT for about 3 1/2 months. It was feeling great until I started volleyball again and my regular workout routine. I went back to my ortho who ordered an MRI. We found out I have a SLAP tear and impaction of the humeral head from a hilsachs lesion? I am looking for options and advice. I was shocked to see these results, as I have full ROM just some pain with certain workoits and weakness.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
Often people have surgery to reattach the labrum. It's a long recovery, but most athletes can return to play. Good luck!
I used to be a professional pitcher. A labrum tear ended my career. That was 13 years ago. When i wasnt throwing it wasnt a huge deal, but now i cant even sleep on that side the pain is so extreme. I dont know what to do. If anyone has went through something similiar i would love to know how they remedied the problem. Thanks
@genaroflores835
6 жыл бұрын
Kyle17 Did you get surgery to fix it?
27 year old. I got MRI both on shoulders. Right arm (cricket bowling arm) has circumferential tear; most obvious in the anterior inferior quadrant. My arthroscopic surgery was on Feb 12th. (SLAP repair). I adjusted my shoulder sling straps multiple times to get more comfortable (mistakes). 8 Days since, I've been in constant pain. No sleep at nights, 3-4 hour pain interrupted sleep. Sleeping i s hard as i sit upright. If i try to lay down feels like shoulder is falling backwards. I am going to see my surgeon tomorrow to make sure everything is ok. Only exercise i have done is open/close my palm and flex my wrist in the sling, Can you give insight if this is normal/or any concerns
@arim6622
5 жыл бұрын
Can you give me an update on your recovery??
I was at the gym and the machine had a fault so when it stopped i grabbed the bar on my left and i felt a pop. I went to a Dr I have to have an MRI and he says I have a SLAP 11 injury. I am 46 pretty healthy I would rather not have surgery but I have a lot of pain it is only 10 days ago this happned so i am hoping it will settle down. I would rather have try physio.
@chrisoliver8036
6 жыл бұрын
Kirsty McDonald Hey, let me know what you decide. I am 47 and also aggravated an old SLAP tear at Crossfit. Dr recommends surgery but I may try a week of therapy on my own. Do you get an impingement feeling when you lift something over your head?
I fell and injured my shoulder. I have this type tear. My ortho is sending me to rehab but I just dont think it will help. I am 47 yrs old. Any ideas?
@laurelchristensen9558
5 жыл бұрын
Terri Howell that is my case too except mine was six weeks ago. Have you made a decision?
@terrihowell3584
5 жыл бұрын
I had surgery March 11th. It was worse than he thought so therapy is slow going
@guillermoparedes6450
4 жыл бұрын
@@terrihowell3584 how are you feeling today?
I have a SLAP injury and i'm living a dilema since i've discovered, don't know how to decide, go or not to go for a surgery, i play basketball and also do some gym regularly, i had practicaly to give up from basketball and i had also to reduce a lot on gym, because of the pain, i've tried fisiotherapy and even acunpunture in order to reduce the pain, none of these seems to help too much, would you recommend to go for a surgery, if i do a surgery, how it will be later, can i back to basketball .. can i still doing some gym? Thanks for the video!
@BigBassTurd
7 жыл бұрын
Cris avoid surgery and see a physical therapist. I have heard nightmares about rushing into surgery. I myself chose therapy and seen a 75% reduction in pain in certain movements.
@BigBassTurd
7 жыл бұрын
You have to work on the muscles stabilizing the the shoulder. If you focus on the bicep when going to the gym you are going to jack the slap tear up more.
@jcrisjr
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your tips!!..i still going to the gym, had to lower the weight, i can't deal with the same weight anyway :( i'll look for a therapist again in a attempt to reduce the pain
@abekor70
6 жыл бұрын
Cris Jr can you describe to me what your pains and trigger points are? I'm on the same boat as you wether to get a surgery or not. I get pain when I do an overhead throw of lift. Any inner rotation hurts it too. I can move my humeral head kinda like pop out back and forth. Did you have the same symptoms?
I have postero superior glenoid labrum tear...i had subluxations 4 times n 2 times disclocation that required reduction...i wish to join army...so should i go for arthoscopic surgery??
@harshdeep7545
4 жыл бұрын
Bro I also have labrum tear problem and want to join indian army that's why I don't want surgery
Is it okay to take ibuprofen and tough it out, or will that make it worse? I can scale the exercises down so they’re not hitting as hard on the shoulder but it hurts pretty at night when the drugs wear off. And will the shoulder recover if I continue exercising it on ibuprofen?
@DrDavidGeier
6 жыл бұрын
Ibuprofen probably doesn’t have much effect, good or bad, on a labral tear.
Sir I had tear in shoulder 1 o clock position what should I have to do i mean can I recover this injury by physiotherapy
@DrDavidGeier
5 жыл бұрын
Patients can always try PT to see if it helps.
I have something going on...pain and limited movement when moving arm overhead or behind my body or side raising after having my arm wrenched back while running (my 40kg dog was attacked from behind by another dog). I am over 50 and WAS fit and pain-free. I've had 4 months of physio and with no improvement, I am thinking I need the surgery option. :-(
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+Joanne McVey I hope you get better!
I dislocated my shoulder and put it back to its original position. I got my MRI and the result says that I have anterior labrum tear. Do i need to get a surgery or exercise will get it heal and strong? Thank you in advance doc
@DrDavidGeier
Жыл бұрын
If you are able, join Dr. Geier here on Friday’s Ask Dr. Geier Live! show at Noon ET, on Oct. 14. He would be happy to discuss this injury. Also, check out the hundreds of videos here and thousands of articles on his website - drdavidgeier.com - in which he discusses every musculoskeletal injury suffered by athletes and active people. - Dr. David Geier team
@SaanichtonMinistries
Жыл бұрын
Great question I am in the same position… 2 dislocated shoulders back to back. I had no idea how easy the second dislocated shoulder would happen…. Just lifting a towel up…
@SaanichtonMinistries
Жыл бұрын
This is the question. If I could do PT or get a clear answer on labrum’s ability to heal that would be great…
Just went through surgery, I had a torn labrum, bursitis, as well as rotator cuff tendinitis 🙁
@avadhut1
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Ethan how was your surgery and how are you feeling now? I have also diagnosed with Slap tear and bursitis. Can you give after surgery situation.
I play baseball and i have a slap tear and just had surgery, my question is will I return to throwing 100%, also how long will it take?
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+tyler horn It depends what was done, but it can take 4-6 months for a reattachment of the labrum.
Two years ago I had a labral tear with bicep detachment, tried PT first but it only made it worse. Did surgery then more PT and it’s fine today. But now my left shoulder has a glenoid labral tear and yet again I was assigned PT with no improvement, MRI with dye in the joint is scheduled then possibility of another surgery in the near future. The physical therapy before the surgery is painful and not helpful what so ever. If your going thru shoulder pain get second opinions! No need in being in pain for months if it won’t help the problem to begin with is what I’ve experienced so far.
@garyleeheard3434
4 жыл бұрын
So after detachment from bicep ,are you able to lift fully like before?.. because that's what they tell me I need to do with my situation.
@ArchaicHeadhunter
4 жыл бұрын
GARY HEARD yeah the only time I can tell anything with it is when I fall asleep on it the wrong way. It’s back like normal even with heavy lifting
@garyleeheard3434
4 жыл бұрын
@@ArchaicHeadhunter sweet thanks.. I'm jus looking up Every recovery vid haha. Like most people I use my arm alot for work. I even thought of applying for a different job a year from now..only due to being worried about completing job duties...or Workin out again or even my side job of Detailing cars .. so thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
@ArchaicHeadhunter
4 жыл бұрын
GARY HEARD I did the same thing. No problem and best of luck
@garyleeheard3434
4 жыл бұрын
@@ArchaicHeadhunter Thanx
I'm 15 and I'm a baseball player pitcher and I have been diagnosed with a slap tear and my doctor told me to do physical therapy for about 6 weeks I was just was wondering if u ageee I'm trying to get back to playing as fast as possible
@juliarose7572
3 жыл бұрын
What happened?
I have had what I am pretty sure is a torn shoulder labrum for the past 3 years. I have tried many types of therapy and it does not work. I am pretty sure it is just torn from bench pressing too heavily a few years back. I don't have health insurance. If I get health insurance in January, will health insurance pay for it?
@DrDavidGeier
6 жыл бұрын
I don’t know in your case specifically, but generally insurance companies cover labels tear and their treatment.
@yobased2872
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. David Geier Alright, thanks a lot.
sir i am satyajit sahoo i am from india when i am playing cricket i through the ball and suddenly some pain fell on my shoulder in that day to the current day i fell pain on my shoulder i hv treatment many more time but the doctors are said go to physiotherapy but no one can gv me better suggestions right now i am not playing cricket when i am trying to bowling i hv fell lots of pain and my shoulder bone moments automatically so can u tell me how i am fit in the present day
@kannansmiles3
4 жыл бұрын
Few year ago I had slap tear when playing cricket and after 1 year i did surgery. Iam ok.. call me if you need more information 9790000133
just had an MRA for my shoulder and they found that my labrum is teared from 7 to 12 o clock .. :/
@DrDavidGeier
6 жыл бұрын
I hope it turns out well, whatever you have to do.
I have a slap tear, and my bicep tendon seems to pull at it - or click and pop, but mostly hinders me at the gym on chest day with presses. Seems to be the only time it hinders me. Is the only way top stop that with surgery? What would be the recovery time if they didnt have to cut the bicep tendon and is that possible? It doesnt nearly bother me enough to have surgery if they cut the bicep tendon but if its possible to just sew up or trim out the labrum part it might be worth it.
@DrDavidGeier
7 жыл бұрын
+No Here Kruger Physical therapy can help some patients, but some do need surgery.
@noherekruger3738
6 жыл бұрын
So basically it totally went away on its own.
I was doing vertical wall climbing, slipped and held on with my right hand, and i think that's when I had my SLAP, on the moment i only felt like a knife pain in the shoulder. Now, three weeks after, still slight pain, i can move my arm almost in any direction but I have very little force, i feel like my shoulder wouldn't be able to cope with more than a few lbs. Did MRI, consulted three doctors, two say I should do surgery, one says i shouldn't. What should i do? I didn't start yet any therapy. My MRIs are here archived: www.dropbox.com/s/ikti2drhbuhr6pl/RightShoulder_MRI.zip?dl=0
@ovidiumoise9222
7 жыл бұрын
And some pics: www.dropbox.com/s/jtpaxvxipnqc8pt/pic1.png?dl=0
@ovidiumoise9222
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. Geier, any feedback please?