I really enjoyed putting my thoughts and arranging them to justify my choice about the US as a UK surgical trainee. What are your thoughts? Let me know if there’s anything to address?

Disgustingly underpaid within the NHS. Truly shocking considering the amount of time, academic excellence, and rigour required for a career in surgery.

this video was amazing also id appreciate if you could also do a similar video but for Australia and Canada

i literally enjoy listen ur life experience. As a Third Year medic, I really did consdering taking step 1... but the heavy disadvantage as a international student to go to US compare to UK is just insanely difference....

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Australia is a good balance of lifestyle and salary. Hope the UK goes down that path. You can also move to Canada or the Gulf as a surgeon.

The process of matching does not take 5 extra years - many Imgs successfully match to residency’s in the US right after graduating from medical school. You just have to be proactive in medical school and clear your exams and do electives in summer. Now if your late to the game and decide randomly you want to move to the US after graduating and spending 2 years doing foundation years then yeah it’s gonna take extra time

@ABC1701A

10 ай бұрын

I remember when someone I knew qualified as a doctor - her mum was long time receptionist to our GP and he influenced her and mentored her heavily - and she and a friend were looking to gain extra experience and the US is lovely and close (sort of) to NZ. Only issue was, turns out that just because they were qualified doctors in NZ - passed all their exams, done their residencies or whatever they are called and had decided on which career paths within the medical field they wanted to pursue - didn't mean they were actually qualified to practice as a doctor in the US. At best they would have been employed as a nurse (despite NOT having done nurses training mind) and if they wanted to qualify they would have faced years of extra training, more exams, the residency - five years according to this video - and ONLY THEN would they have been considered to be qualified doctors. They spent a few years practicing with the NHS in Wales and then Scotland before returning to work back in NZ again.

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There was a girl who lived just across the road from us a few years ago, Jennifer Grant, and I remember when she qualified as a doctor - her mum was long time receptionist to our GP and he influenced her and mentored her heavily - and she and a friend were looking to gain extra experience and the US is lovely and close (sort of) to NZ. Only issue was, turns out that just because they were qualified doctors in NZ - passed all their exams, done their residencies or whatever they are called and had decided on which career paths within the medical field they wanted to pursue - didn't mean they were actually qualified to practice as a doctor in the US. At best they would have been employed as a nurse (despite NOT having done nurses training mind) and if they wanted to qualify they would have faced years of extra training, more exams, the residency - five years according to this video - and ONLY THEN would they have been considered to be qualified doctors. She told me this during an appointment, she had a few tests to do which took time, and she and her friend had just received the letters from the US telling them they weren't considered to be qualified doctors there (she was seriously annoyed which might have been one reason she was venting, plus I'd known her for years although she was older than I was). Basically she and her friend told the US where they could stick their qualifications and then they spent a few years practicing with the NHS in Wales and then Scotland before returning to work back in NZ again. Her mum would keep mum updated every time she visited the doctors, she turned out to be very good in her chosen field so it was the NHS's gain and the US's loss. While the NHS persuaded her friend to try research - apparently she was very good at digging to find out the cause of something, ideal for research I'm told - and after returning to NZ she was a part of a team that made some important discovery in something or other. Another gain for NHS/NZ and a huge loss to the US as well. I do know a friend's father who practices in Houston suffered an illness that took about a year to recover from but he built up so many medical bills in that time - and he IS a doctor himself - that he had to return to work even though he's in his 70s just to pay off the bills, while my brother's brother -in-law who practices in Seattle is still working even though he's just turned 71 because he can't afford to retire - his wife has a medical issue apparently - either. Seems being a doctor in the US isn't all it's made out to be which might be why my friend from Houston was a doctor here in Ireland and refused to return back to the US despite pleas from his father and mother (unfortunately he became one of the many medical fatalities resulting from COVID. RIP Steven).

You are talking about working in the USA as a non-IMG. If you are an IMG first of all you are in a pool of the best medical graduates in the World fighting for each residency placement with things like exceptional research and publications that likely on the top 5% of medical graduates could achieve. Next visas for working in USA are extremely complicated as you will most likely be subject to a 2 year Home Residency Requirement and in order to waive this you need Conrad 30 Waiver which requires a no objection letter from your home country which I imagine would be difficult to obtain as the UK partially sponsors medical education. Also Conrad 30 Waiver means you have to work in a medically underserved area for 3 years so you may not be able to work as an attending at your residency hospital. H1B may be cap exempt for certain hospitals if you are subject to the 2 year HRR but the whole process is so difficult and long so USMLE’s will probably be the least stressful thing lol.

Very interesting video, would say however that my med school firm's ENT consultant had the opposite view on Americans' operating confidence from his fellowship, alluding to sheer volume. But I reckon that depends much more on the specific uni/trust than anything else

Im a junior doctor working in Malta (europe) im considering either moving or leaving medicine completely

@ABC1701A

10 ай бұрын

Consider Australia or NZ or Ireland (closer to family).

@XJacksonvilleX

2 ай бұрын

why so??

oh my god man! thank you so much for your thoughts on this. I've been wondering too much about many aspects around this topic. btw how hard is it in your opinion to get into neurosurgery training in UK for foreign medical graduates? Thank you again for the video

@Bastakology

2 жыл бұрын

ridiculously but not impossible. competition ratio 16:1 i think. look up the neurosurgery self assessment sheet and get crackin.

@MCMMADDOGXCV

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bastakology I will. Thank you

My brother needs more subs I'm still baffled how you haven't blown yet

@ThatMedic

2 жыл бұрын

Believe me 😅

For a non-uk non-us IMG, USA seems a lot better option, any say on that?

UK salaries are such a joke, surgical training doesn’t make sense financially in the UK at all.

12:10 The US has a "numerical attachment" of procedures performed for board certification. 12:13 This is a flawed opinion based on his previous comments regarding the lengths of training for UK/US surgeons. UK surgeons are required to have several more YEARS of training before they are fully qualified. Well obviously, someone who's at the end of their training who has more years is going to be more confident. The US system trains harder and faster, it's more compact, whereas the UK system is drawn out. This confidence doesn't come down to who's trained better, it comes down to experience, time spent doing a skill. At the same number of years/experience, the confidence is the same. This should be obvious.

Neurosurgery is it a good branch for private practice in England? Can you make millions like in USA?

Wat is the pay in residency and fellowship

wth bro, was literally talking ab this today with my boy, must be a sign to move xD

@ThatMedic

2 жыл бұрын

watch the video first ;)

Don't we need to clear usmle no matter ur a consultant too!?

"Very competetive ENT position" he says, whilst earning around 40k a year, the same as a physician associate (assistant)

14:44 what does he say here?

Hopefully you can get your channel to 4 million subs then give the v to medicine and be full time youtuber

Usmle is also given by American students ?

@Julie.SandhuMD

9 ай бұрын

Yes

first

What's the best city in the world?

Why not move to Australia? One of the best places to work as a doctor

@stewste4316

Жыл бұрын

why so? are you working there as a doctor?

You’d be stupid not to move to the US, happiness comes after you made a shit tons of money, you can sacrifice 10 years of hard work for a life of happiness where you don’t even have to work anymore. 10 years as a doctor in the US you make more than a lifetime in the UK

@gdaymates431

Жыл бұрын

Money has nothing to do with happiness once you pass a certain level. Studies have shown that. Once you make over $70, 000, the happiness levels don't change. Happiness comes from relationships, experiences, hobbies. If he moved, he would 1. Have no time for any of that and 2. Not have his friends and family and no connection to his culture.

@dac8939

Жыл бұрын

You can make more than a doctor in US just doing a math degree and Masters in data science or Finance from a top school. Make more in few years than all that doctor schooling.

@ElizabethUkeh

7 ай бұрын

​@@dac8939 really? Some specialties make $500k to $800k, which maths job pay that high?