Have you ever folded pocket kings preflop? Be honest.

@ICEMANKENNYTV

Жыл бұрын

YES...

@Bawookles

Жыл бұрын

Only in tournaments. And every time I did it, the guy showed me the aces. Never have done it in a cash game.

@TEAMGETHELP

Жыл бұрын

Once against a grandpa, I was right🤣

@FloppedNutZzz

Жыл бұрын

No lol

@coyedwards6184

Жыл бұрын

I haven't, but I've seen it done.

Little did Doug know, he'd be folding KK pre just 7 days later at the Lodge lol

If you need practice folding KK, just play PLO for about a week.

@joeyjackoff298

Жыл бұрын

That is so true...

Your fold against Helmuth was the best fold I've ever seen

@sundarpichai940

Жыл бұрын

Thirsty

@supersmoo7377

Жыл бұрын

Helmuth only had 12 combos of QT… and we all know Helmuth to be an aggressive-whale-bluffer.. so yeah, amazing fold.

@viewerck

Жыл бұрын

@@supersmoo7377 12, doug blocks a Ten

@supersmoo7377

Жыл бұрын

@@viewerck yeah, i fixed it, thanks.. was up late in the middle of the night, multi-tasking while I watched this.

If I remember correctly, in the Upswing Lab, Fried Mulders has a pre-flop module in which he recommends folding KK pre in the following situations just 100 BBs deep. UTG open, MP 3bet, KK 4bet (from any position), UTG jam, MP jam. That MP jam is so strong staring into an uncapped 4 bet range and an uncapped 5bet shove range, that KK is not doing very well. MP's range (theoretically) is only AA and KK and blocking KK, makes this a fold. This is also true if instead of UTG and MP, it's MP and CO. Also, in deep stack, KK is a fold to a 6bet (or even a 5bet sometimes). All this is theory and most situations are unique.

90% of the time, when someone folds KK pre, it's cause they don't have another bullet to reload with.

@maximo6037

Жыл бұрын

Other 10% they know their opponent

@Skodak96

Жыл бұрын

I've seen old guys fold aces on ten high flop. Scared money shouldn't be playing poker tbh. But some people are just there for fun

@jeremyrogers6179

Жыл бұрын

Where's Ryuske? 🤔

@staytight6340

Жыл бұрын

90% of the time I lose with kings And I play them aggressively.

@ncannavino11

Жыл бұрын

Lmao this is not true

I've never folded KK preflop in a cash game. I've had people fold it to me 3 times that I know of, and it was a bad fold all 3 times.

@mepmep27

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think I’ve ever folded kings pre. Def have got away from queens and Jacks preflop tho. I Actually folded jacks preflop once to two all ins. They had AA vs KK, it was gross

@RightFootForward11

Жыл бұрын

@@mepmep27 nice man

"And you determine if you fold." Me, in every scenario: "LOL KK, LETS GO"

If you get them after going to piss in a home game, it’s a prank, and a fold can be really stylish.

Great content Doug, can u do the math for folding vs calling for all 5 videos and see if it's a positive play or negative play?

Johnnie's reason for folding from his vlog#1... "when an Asain Hollywoods and shoves pre it's ALWAYS aces...."

6 combinations of aces, 2 combinations of AKs, 6 combinations of AKo, if I'm not mistaken. Calling a shove over the top with kings is thus largely going to come down to the opponent you're playing against: * Would they make this move with AKo? That puts enough combinations in there that they're more likely to not have aces than do, so you call. * Would they only do it with AKs or aces? Probably a fold then, as you block two of the AKs, meaning it's more likely they have aces. * If they'd do it with any other hand, you have to call. So pretty much, the only time you're folding is if you think they'd only do it with AKs or AA. As for a random player you've never played with before? I think it's more likely than not they'd be willing to do it with AKo/QQ or worse (from the POV of a player with AKo, they block an ace and king making it less likely you have AA or KK, and even if you have QQ - or worse, KK - they at least have the ace out), so yeah, there's a reason this is almost always a call even if there's the rare occasion that you're coolered.

@aaronwarner1257

11 ай бұрын

He showed both cards

One thing I will say about hand 2 is by putting ourselves in that spot we can almost for sure take AK and suited aces out of our opponents range if they are capable. When they jam overtop they should realize they have very low bluffing equity with only about a 2x raise

Love this format!! Thanks Doug!!

1. Nope, wouldn't throw away before flop. 2. Yes. 3. Nope, i'd play. 4. Nope, i'd play. 5. Yes, fold.

15:22 "The poket Jacks!!!" Doug enjoying getting us on the wrong foot again!

Love the content rapid fire Doug! Keep it coming 🔥

7:06 is literally the honest commentary I'm here to watch!

how about asking the big question: should you ever fold AA preflop?

@alleneng

Жыл бұрын

not in a cash game

@Gos1234567

Жыл бұрын

in satellites near the bubble ...yes

@Jokerlevin

Жыл бұрын

@@Gos1234567 Just adding: If you're qualified. If not, shove!

@juangarcia-vu9yg

Жыл бұрын

In satellites... yeah.

@juangarcia-vu9yg

Жыл бұрын

And I have done that.

Jackie's fold was the only one I'd probably fold as well. For all the others, if you got it, you got it.

Trick to see if someone is playing with 100% of themselves: Folding Pocket Kings Pre.

@djmmz2648

Жыл бұрын

Wdym playing 100% of themselves

@pog3166

Жыл бұрын

@@djmmz2648 not being sponsored by other people’s money to play in big games

@djmmz2648

Жыл бұрын

@@pog3166 thanks man

@pog3166

Жыл бұрын

@@djmmz2648 no problem. You’d be surprised how many players on hustler casino are sponsored by rich ppl who think they’ll win them money

Fantastic review of these hands.

Eubank Jr is a pro boxer, and he's also friends with Ryuske.... Ryuske mentioned it on one of the lives. Im sure Eubank knows where he is lol

I always shove fake aces ( A4 ) because I get over excited and don't know how to play poker, which is why I'm sending this comment via a prepaid phone.

I love my boy Doug but I'll throw some shade just for fun : "Here is a sample of 5 hands, selected for their variety and entertainment value. Therefore, you should base your strategy around this. More on strategy and game theory in my masterclass course. Sincerely, Doug"

What about Sam Barnharts pocket kings fold pre at WSOP?

The first example is knowing the Player. Solid fold.

Done it once deep in a MTT in a fourway all in.

I am generally in the "GTO" corner but Ill say this: The fold against Jennifer Tilly is 100% correct

@Bisirsky

Жыл бұрын

True.

In some parallel universe there is an alternate Doug Polk with a 10 second video consisting only of Doug yelling, "DON'T FOLD POCKET KINGS PRE"

The only ones I got right were player based which I guess speaks to this being a read-based decision, fold vs tilly, call bill klein

"And here is...a different venue"😂😂

@Namdrahsirhc

Жыл бұрын

And leaving HCL off the shoutout list at the end. True troll god

never play off a stack that is so big you fold kings pre and also just never fold kings pre.

Man, I've gotten everyone wrong that I didn't remember lmfaoo

Hope to visit The Lodge some day!

once, to old man greg at isle of capri biloxi circa 2006. 8 handed, he had about 400 bbs, i covered. folds to him on the button. he opens, i 3bet sb, bb fold. he 4bet, i 5 bet, he jams, i fold. he didn't show.

@DaftFader

Жыл бұрын

That's actually a good spot to be folding in tbf (assuming they aren't a maniac). 😅

@toomanymikes3857

Жыл бұрын

@@DaftFader yeah nah he was an omc. i heard later he told someone else he had t8 tho, so you never know.. 🤷‍♂

@DaftFader

Жыл бұрын

@@toomanymikes3857 At that depth it's stack off threshold tho... And against a 400+bb deep 6bet jam aces is a fair stack off threshold against most players imo. He probably just said 10/8 to make it look like he wasn't so transparent when someone asked him "so you had aces right?" Or something like this lol. Unless you played agressive (compared to the table) and he thought he was being bullied in pots and had enough. 😅

Every hand I'm like call call call lol😅😂

Doug is it almost not worth it anymore five betting all in with aces anymore? Flatting them seems to be the more profitable play. Of course it’s situation dependent but when extremely deep it’s almost worth flatting the four bet with the aces. Thoughts ?

2:31 Justin 'I don't do handshakes people' Schwartz

I think that if you have a lot of information on your opponent and can place their hand on Aces, well more power to you. but I'm usually going broke or at least seeing a flop with Kings.

As the 2nd one was finishing I was saying to myself "yeah these are all before the A5s jams became fashionable"...

The hollywooding from Ken in the second one 😂

“Bonus fold” I’m officially dead 💀💀

A guy named Fishman who was the "Loose Cannon" in the TV-Show was folding AA preflop and was dogding quads.

The hand where multiple straddles are happening (9:17 ish) I wish I knew more about the game and how it was playing. Are these mandatory straddles? Are the players used to these stakes? Saying 140bb effective vs. 1400bb effective is very different. Sure, you could argue technically you're 140bb in this specific hand, but it's a little more in-depth than that, especially when it comes to live poker. After looking over it again, I dont think this 25, 50, 100 straddle is a normal thing considering the average stack of everyone else is 4.5k, so unless there's something I know about this guy jamming, I'm probably folding KK here too.

So...some times raise ..some times call... & some times fold . ?? great video as always Doug thx GGDonk 😂

I once folded KK versus a preflop min-raise from Phillip Hellmuth.

Doug, when do we analyze the pre flop fold of AA with Fishman in The Big Game so we can say 1 for 1 of correctly folding aces pre to flopped quads? 😂😂 We need more people to start folding them pre-flop to balance out their ranges or something. 😏

The problem with folding KK is there’s a non zero spaz factor from your opponents. You never know when they might just be tilting, or think that you’re overbluffing and decide to take a stand to shut you down. For that reason he said we must always get it in

@Nikkithedog-t6b

Жыл бұрын

But sometimes you do know. If an old lady with a vpip of I played my last hand in February 4 bet shoves, it's AA.

@itskmillz

Жыл бұрын

"You never know" speak for yourself. Some of us know.

@Ohrami

Жыл бұрын

Suppose a 99.9999% chance of AA and a .0001% chance of 72o. Run that through Equilab and check the equity.

@shaneslaght2154

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly why Doug said you need to play in light games and short stack games if you are going to NEVER fold kings. you can’t risk blowing your bank roll at any given time without the nuts pre flop

@supersmoo7377

Жыл бұрын

Unless it’s against nitty Jennifer Tilly who 4-bets UTG vs UTG+1 all-in for 200+ BB’s.

This was a really fun video

At 5:16 villain does the smirk with with the outstretched lips, one of the big tells of strength covered in Zachary Elwood's "Reading Poker Tells". Opponent feigns disappointment before betting.

@sdmit2000

Ай бұрын

yeah buddy go back to 1/2

I wisht I watch this video yesterday 😂😂 I had to fold 😂

On my last day in vegas recently I had KK 3 times in 30 mins. I got felted 3 times, twice against AA. On the third hand I just knew but still made the all in call pre for comedy value and the distant hope I’d be wrong.

Thank you for another video!

keep it up bro!!

"and by working tirelessly I mean hiring someone and paying them to do it for me." Love the deadpan humor Doug😂

@williamraney3421

Жыл бұрын

He’s got amazing staff

Rick Salomon vs John Morgan in super high roller bowl cash game; folded KK correctly v AA pre flop.

Very nice change of pace from your other videos, it's much more entertaining and enjoyable to watch. Your other videos are getting a bit cringe Doug, but I still watch all of them 😅

The supreme leader is back and better than ever. Thank you as always Doug!

@xavierharding8938

Жыл бұрын

Kim Jong Un ?

In hand #1 Tilly bet 23k into 2.1k, meaning you only need to call with like 10% of your three-betting range to be unexploitable. Even from a GTO perspective only calling Aces there should be fine, right?

It's probably the hardest question in Poker tbh. I've never folded KK pre-flop but I would depending how much the other player raised me.

Should You Ever FOLD POCKET KINGS Preflop?? What's up, guys. Doug Polk here. No. Thanks for watching. Please like, subscribe and leave a comment below.

Next, can you do a video of the reverse? Tournament, final table, I had AA, 2nd/9 in stack size. Action to my right goes all-in with JJ @ ~25k, I go all-in over the top for ~100k total, and there's stack #1 sitting on KK. I know what he has. I want to show him my aces... I all but directly tell him, what my hand is... he knew. he KNEW! but called anyway and flopped the K for a set. I got 9th. 8th paid. Still mad.

@josiahbarta2643

Жыл бұрын

Why didn’t you and JJ split 8th?

@Sensenwerk

Жыл бұрын

100k bb stack seems rather deepstack for a tourney ft. 😂

The only time I'd ever fold KK pre would be in a satellite near the payout period. Outside of that, if they have AA, GG

@boltaurelius376

Жыл бұрын

Easily could do with a 2nd large stack in the bubble or final table for ICM.

I folded AK off to a 5bet all in preflop with Someone else already all-in for less when I was in position being on the Botton. I would of Chopped with AK off against the all-in for less had J10 suited. The Guy that had me covered was very tight and didn't 3 bet until then for the first 3 hrs he was there. I'm on the fence if it was a bad Fold.

Of the 8 times I did it none of them seemed near as wild as Polks 2nd nut str8 against Hellmuth, that was a freak show.

my record for folding QQ preflop is awful. like 1/6 times correct fold when they have JJ or AK call all in when they roll over AA or KK

Who's here after Doug folded Kings preflop tonight on the Lodge stream 😂

A lot depends on the player type. Some OMC's will never 4/5 bet preflop with anything other than K's or A's.

@connortoogood6601

Жыл бұрын

Omc??

@christopherashford4194

Жыл бұрын

​@@connortoogood6601Old Man Coffee ... The old dudes who are the tightest nits ever

@Gos1234567

Жыл бұрын

some OMC's wont even 3 bet without AA/KK

so funny cause earlier for the first time ever i folded kings preflop cause i was AFK in the bathroom, i came back to see the end of the hand play out and someone had basically hit trip 5's on the flop then turned quad 5's all in vs two others the person with quad 5's had 52o preflop so happy i was afk for that lol

@DaftFader

Жыл бұрын

That's happened to me with AA twice...come back from the toilet, or from the break slightly late, and hand auto folded, i think Inwould of won them hands too iirc. 😢😂

@Adiodevil

Жыл бұрын

If you had been there and raised, 52o wouldn't be in the pot. Could've just been a preflop raise and take.

Sketchy things going on with the hustler lineups. There a group of mischievous characters. Which is why if you wanna play live streams ! Come on down to the lodge guys 😅 I'm currently not in TX but love visiting there and recommend it ;)

Thank you Doug, it's easier to fold it now

Yes, month and a half ago. Long story short. 850 in stack playing, 1/3. Utg make it 14, goofy cutoff limps. Button 3 bet to 50, I 4 bet to 150, goofy limper shoves for 900. Button snap calls off 300+.I tank like 3 minutes and fold. They both had AA. Insane. KK since then has been a battle. 2 weeks later same table I Have KK 3x pre 3 bettor IP 3 bets to 30 I call. Flop set. I check raise flop from 30 to 100. Turn comes A I lead 100 he shoves and when you know and call anyway for last 300 he turned set lol. More would follow but you get it.

Fwiw the all-in in my hand was for $16K. The stack sizes were wrong.

You missed out on the epilogue from that PokerGo hand. They ran the board out anyway and there was a K and a T on it. So, folding Kings that time was wrong too.

When playing in smaller games, 1/3$-5/10$ KK pre flop facing a 4 bet out of nearly any position is an automatic 5-bet shove. If you’re 9 ways it’s 4.32% likely that an opponent has AA, even less likely shorter handed. If they have AA and you get stacked that’s just life, there are so many hands you get to fold and take the pot or beat that 4 bet pre. It’s obviously different when playing high stakes, just wanted to put it out there for the homies grinding (doesn’t apply to the super NITs)

u forget to show the hand where guy from big game folded AA preflop and would've run into quads :D

Douglas Wow You must be feeling great!!!!

Course on Back-4 betting Jacks coming soon to Upswing

When the straddle is ridiculous, you have to be incredibly suspicious about folding kings.. Definitely a weakness exposed in scenarios

Damn just realized i hadn't heard of Tom Marchese for a while

Nothings better then when Fishmen folded aces preflop avoiding quads lmao. Still can’t believe this

make a vid on the hustler live magnus carlsen stream, thanks doug

Your next video needs to be when pocket kings crack pocket aces when they call ❤

The ones who had it went all-in. Small raises with kings are traps so you always have to call if 4 bet no jam.

I figure it'll be aces sometimes but it's way more frequent that it's not aces when they shove preflop. Gotta know your opponent.

The only one I said I’d have folded was Jacky v Bill v Garrett. So deep and cold calling a 5 bet doesn’t seem very appealing. Not to mention it was a UTG open.

I got someone to fold QQ when I was bluffing with 27 in a cash game once lol but I don't suggest doing that. It was pre flop they folded too. No flop.

Before I even watch- Love the concept!

Doug’s content is always top notch, but this episode is just extra 🔥

@YallaMiami

Жыл бұрын

Do you want to Marry him 💍?

@huzcer

Жыл бұрын

"Extra" - that term makes me itchy.

Someone limp reraised me 8x over my already large raise. I almost folded there but I tank called. J83r board and they open jam 2x pot. I snap fold KK face up and they showed AA. So close to making the greatest fold pre. I just didn’t think this person was capable of making bluffs like that. I’ve folded QQ and JJ multiple times to single reraises and have been right every time.

On the 2nd hand, Ken did the obvious fake concern sigh all in move. Thats almost always AA and a live reg like Vibes definitely picked up on it.

love you bro and the content has been slappin lately, but my goodness this one was so boring lol. I keep checking back for the Berkey Airball heads up match updates?

You must always go all-in pre with KK? Of course not! But in some of these hands people could just call (when it is not an all-in situation). Especially in that hand where guys were insanely deep. It's an absolutely correct play.

I’m calling, you got it… you got it.

Once I busted out and reload. Immediately got pocket KK and went all in and lose it all again to pocket AA 😮

It's just a mindset issue people expect to win all the time with AA and KK while the truth is that you win most of the times and lose sometimes. Still gotta put all your money in even if you lose it all sometimes.

You should have shown the Ace's folded preflop from the big game as a consolation hand...

I saw a kid fold AA pre-flop in a 1/3 game once. True story.

@boltaurelius376

Жыл бұрын

I saw a guy fold quads preflop once in a 5/3 game

@overnightdelivery

Жыл бұрын

​@@boltaurelius376 That was a good play because everyone at the table would of known he was cheating by having 4 cards in his hand. 😅

Doug I have BREAAAAAKING NEWS ! Pepe is my old backer for the sketchy ass home game scene in LA where they rake 125 cap 10% every hand. Also Pepe owes tons of money and Ryan F just let's these people on the streams whils simultaneously stopping grinders like me and many others.