First time on this channel. Really great points man, and really thoughful around whether or not you would play all 50 of those scenarios. Great Content.

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I really appreciate it!

Disagree with the comparison of 60 extra character and 60 scenarios book. The book is broken into different difficulties and time. Doubt I would play the kid level. But knowing the difficulty before playing and the amount of time to play the scenarios is a great help to get the game to the table. Where as 60 character with little difference between them will never get played. I agree that the game is over priced ( especially the mystery and treasure chest) and doesn’t need mini and should be separate. I think the book is way better than treasure chest. Love the idea of the extra themed cards but wow is that way over priced. Another great video, great job even if I disagree with you.

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I'm backing this because I've been on the fence for RC in general and the fancy updated and more accessible new edition just put it over for me. This is my kind of game and if I'm going to get it, I might as well get the newest version w some extra tactile feel of the minis and scenarios. I hear the expansions are a mixed bag so I'm just at the "new stuff" pledge level.

@Voreten

3 жыл бұрын

Also, to the scenarios, it's about finding the story and flavor you want. The more scenarios in the book, the higher the likelihood there are 5 scenarios that will really speak to you for those 5 playthroughs, rather than finding, say 1 neat one in a book of 10.

3 жыл бұрын

I understand that completely

One additional bonus for backing this new edition is that everything will fit in one box (not the old expansions). If I were to buy the 2nd edition and than go with the upgrades, I would have a hard time fitting everything in the box. If I get more expansions later I could probably put something in those boxes.

3 жыл бұрын

i hear that

As a fan of the base game, I will not be backing this. A lot of the stuff, including the stretch goals, is superfluous fluff that doesn't add anything. In fact, I can honestly see it making playing the game worse. Take the minis as an example. The way Robinson Crusoe works is, each player has two pawns (round wooden tokens) that you use to mark your actions every turn. If you stack two (or sometimes more) pawns on each other, it gives a different effect. You can not stack minis on top of each other, so you instead mark the minis with a plastic ring. In essence, you are taking a very simple and visually distinct mechanic - stacking tokens- and making it more complicated and more convoluted for the sake of having nicely sculptured miniatures. Another example is the camp. In the base game, you will build up your camp with walls and roofs by moving a wooden token along a roof track and wall. A big part of the gameplay in RC is that you will often lose the roofs and walls you have built up from different effects (bad weather can destroy both etc). A very simple action as you are moving a token back and forth on a track, which also makes it easy to see how much of each you have. With the stretch goal camp mini, this is replaced by adding and removing plastic walls and roofs from your camp. Once again taking a simple and visually distinct action and making it more complicated and more convoluted for the sake of having nicely sculptured miniatures. The book of adventures I like the idea of, and I think it's the one item in the entire Kickstarter that makes sense to have. But, as you said in the video, do you really need that many scenarios? I have played the game for probably a good 15-20 hours, and I have only played 4 of the included scenarios. What is making me not backing this for the book is the cost. 45 euros for 55 scenarios? When I haven't even completed the included scenarios? Naw fam, I don't see the value and I don't see the point. To summarize my feelings on this - I think the base game of Robinson Crusoe is great and is a complete package. Nothing in this is, in my opinion, going to add any value or extra enjoyment to the base game. I honestly would have bought all the miniatures if not for the fact that I only see the minis making the gameplay worse. Which is unfortunate.

3 жыл бұрын

It's a lot for a lot. Sometimes, you just don't need a lot.

This was a helpful discussion. I had backed the game but you made me take a hard look at things. And for me, the issue isn't exactly the cost, but the time commitment. I have SO many games. This seems cool to own, but it will NEVER hit the table enough to justify the cost, at least with me as a solo gamer or with my gaming group. It just won't. I don't have that much free time. I know that, and because I know that, I was already feeling the regret on this pledge. And where is the money to pay for this coming from? Probably from a game that WOULD hit the table more often. So by cancelling my pledge (which I just did--sorry Ignacy, I still like your company and your social media presence), that just made something like Mythic Battles Ragnarok, or WHQ: Cursed City a LOT less painful for my budget. Bottom line: There are a lot of great games out there. I do think this is one of them. But I simply don't have the time to play all of them, so why would I sink money into all of them?

3 жыл бұрын

That’s my dilemma a lot lately too

You have a point but the mins are done by AR so they need to push it somehow... Anyway I think 115 is the best option for a new joiner

3 жыл бұрын

thanks

I just sold my RC 2nd edition for 45 usd then back this one. To me, handing out basket for gathering action is much better than stupid disk. This is the game I play for thematic. So those minis will improve the game significantly for me. To my view, the game play of RC is way better than Marvel United. The difficulty of this game is not the same as you get from Spirit island. The difficulty in this game come from luck base of dice rolling. Even if I die, I still have a lot of fun.

3 жыл бұрын

Last line/sentence is the most important. As long as you're doing that, however you choose to spend the money for you!

I have played Robinson Crusoe about 50 times. It solos really well. Best at 1 but I have a group that like to play it too and as long as you avoid alpha gaming then that works well too.

3 жыл бұрын

That's an impressive amount!

@Mr47the

3 жыл бұрын

What is your average gameplay time per game?

@pauljones2261

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr47the solo about 45 minutes once set up. I have an insert that really helps set up. Without it there are so many bits that baggies make for a mess in a box. I often play with 2 characters, Friday and the dog. That gives you 4 main actions and 2 support actions per round. Friday can do main actions on his own but he dies real quick if you roll badly. Some actions will be double actions so you’ll use 2 workers for that. So a round can go super quick if you decide what you want to do quickly. A game often has 8 to 10 rounds so if you have the admin down you can really speed through it. Often a game will end before all the rounds with death so that speeds it up too. Evil laughing from the creator. In a group it takes as long as it takes. Often we chat so the game is much longer due to discussion and banter. 4 players I’d allow 90 minutes. I find groups need people that have some kind of imagination. Then it comes to live as people joke about what happens. In our group it almost turns into a role play situation. In groups the decision space is limited because often there are optimal things to do or you need to help other people. If you are the cook for example and we need to build things. The carpenter could do 2 actions and you might end up just supporting him to ensure his actions are successful. In that instance your actions are not really challenging decisions. The fun comes from risking the actions to get more done in the time. To be honest, if you play safe you will almost always loose so you have to take risks to succeed. Hope that helps

@Mr47the

3 жыл бұрын

@@pauljones2261 Sweet man, thanks for the info! Haven't played the game, but it seems right up my alley :-)

Still on the fence for this... I got my retail copy last week, played a few times and really like it. But I don't want minis but I want some of the SG... I do want the book for sure but maybe retail.

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure availability of all the stretch goals thru retail. might want to check that out on the page first to be sure one way or the other

I'm thinking of going for a late pledge. I already have a first edition (the one with the messed up rulebook and hard to understand cards) and I liked it a lot. But I almost always had to play it solo because it is in english and was hard and time consuming to explain to others. So I'm thinking of going for the new collector's edition in Portuguese to try to make it more immersive for my friends and get to play it more often. Does that make any sense or am I being delusional?

2 жыл бұрын

it makes sense

This game is in my top 10. I'm not a minis fan, so will skip that. I did back the scenario book and added the play mat. Very excited.

3 жыл бұрын

Nice!

I was out until the triple layer boards stretch goal. Even then I'm just getting the base game. I'll pick up the adventures thing and the rest of the stuff for my son at retail. Unlike a lot of KS you will save a ton of cash waiting.

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i've definitely gone more that way lately in the last 6-8 months too

I agree. I died playing this game many times, I wanted the book for the variety, but with the shipping cost to AU, better getting a whole other game or getting one of the other expansions sold here. I never ended up building a proper shelter in the game original scenarios, so that “castle” seemed really overproduced and something I won’t use in-game. I love painting miniatures and like to incorporate them since they do give another feel to some games, but not sure in this one since each will represent an action and we get two of each, not a character on a location, so again, not entirely sold on them either enhancing the experience that much. I think this shows the merit of the base game, it is really well done and “complete”. Anyways, thanks for the videos.

3 жыл бұрын

welcome! thanks for watching!

I thought this was going to be my change to delve into this game but woo that price tag is far too steep.

3 жыл бұрын

more than I had thought before I looked

Yeah, it is doing my head in a bit. Started with just wanting the book and dice, then there are cards and tiles I want which means Veterans and the app cards if the app emulator for my PC isn't great and are they all the cards? Then sleeves and I am rolling over 140 Euros + shipping on a budget where I don't buy treats to buy my games,...jezzz!

3 жыл бұрын

You can do it!

hi Chris, i like your video but the section about the scenario's kinda misses the mark as the 50 scenario's include the original 6.. and (sadly) 20 remakes of these 6, leaving you with 33 scenario's for which at least 2 you need the Mystery Tales expansion which is an add on and not included in the deluxe collectors edition. and 6 promo's you might have already. there are 24 New scenario (one of the last 5 top secrets is labled as horror so it might need the Mystery Tales expansion as well. And currently they are having votes for the top 3 best community scenario's which will be added to the book which, again... is not new as they already live on the forum. I am a book only backer myself as i don't need the miniatures but i am a bit sad about it the be honest. New: 35. Meds for the Dearest Mother 36. Front Page News! 37. Bigfoot Spotting! 38. Evolution of Chupacabras 39. Piranha Cook-Off 40. The Ark 41. The Ancient Map 42. Sealed in the Cave 43. The Drawbridge 44. Monkey Went Bananas 45. Reality Island 46. Tomb Raiders 47. Waves of the Living Corpses 48. Sinking Lands 49. Forbidden Grounds 50. Fading Island 51. Gambler's Gold 52. Pearl Diving 53. The Fog of Anxiety 54. La Navidad 55. TOP SECRET - "Yin Yang" from Update #2 56. TOP SECRET - "Lost Memories" (Horror) from Update #4 57. TOP SECRET 58. TOP SECRET 59. TOP SECRET See full scenario list here: www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/2632691/list-scenarios-book-adventures again, nice video just some extra info here for you and who ever is watching

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I expect 1 hour of gameplay time per $3 i spend on a board game. $1/hr on video games. Otherwise i wait for a sale ;) I'm curious how many of the adventures require more than on player (competitive only scenarios). This game might get close to that $3/hr.. i really want the game but it a bit too expensive, still deciding on backing or just buying the 4th edition for $47.

3 жыл бұрын

makes sense

I sympathize with your feelings towards gameplay content being stuck to expensive minis. Clearly Portal got in bed with Awaken Realms and it seems minis are part of the sweetener. I personally own a lot of minis heavy games along with my meeple and cube pushers, and never once have I wished to see minis on Robinson Crusoe, all i wanted was more scenario content. Especially as adding these plastic elements is cleary causing a huge price hike. I was so exited for the book of adventures, and I still am, but everything else surrounding it is leaving a sour taste. Another personally relevant issue is that I have the Zman edition (and Voyage of the Beagle and Treasure chest and Mystery tales, loyal fan here). Despite what the campaign claims, the update pack will not work for Zman edition, only the previous Portal edition, the board wont fit in the box, the cards are different size and card back is different, and yet I was only able to find out about this on bgg forums because that information/warning is not clearly provided in the campaign. So while I was grudgingly on board to get the update pack with the minis, now I have to decide if I need to buy this game yet again (and at a blown up sales tag) to get at the new gameplay stuff and not have to worry about full compatability :( Right after the Everdell snub, this has pretty much convinced me to be a 2nd edition backer/buyer whenever a reprint is a likely thing. For me, update pack/ original owner treatment is becoming the litmus test for golden companies I trust and would back should they launch a new project.

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm moving more towards second edition backing but the FOMO/first adopter side of things is still hard to get rid of

Well described why I won't back it even being part of the lower shipping fee (Portugal).

3 жыл бұрын

thumbs up

I have much of the old stuff and I'm not going to re-buy that stuff. Yes, it's a "forever game" for me. I'm definitely getting the Book of Adventures, but if that's all I get then I'll wait for retail to get it cheaper. I may get the Castaway Veteran pledge. I want to get the new cards so that I don't have to rely on the app. I'm waiting until the end to see what all the "hype goals" are. I don't expect to play every scenario in the Book of Adventures, but the book will make it easy for me to figure out which scenario I want to try on a given day. If you start considering the add-ons that aren't included in any of the pledges then the cost can quickly skyrocket.

3 жыл бұрын

understandable

I like it but, not enough to to wait a year. In order to get some Minitures at 2x the cost.

3 жыл бұрын

👍

I am backing this, I don’t like when people say that you can pick up the core game at $25 because with shipping it is about the same as the Amazon price of $50. Also disagree that the book of adventure is like Cmon miniatures. The miniatures add no new game content where the Book of adventure does

3 жыл бұрын

Depends where you're at. Shipping a copy for $10-12 at most almost anywhere in the US so you're still ~$10 less. That's not too big but it adds up over time. Also, I think you may have not understood my point. The physical miniatures indeed add no content and could be replaced by standees or tokens. But each of them is a new character that also has gameplay content, same as the book. My point was that the similarity is in the sheer volume/# of both is probably more than most people are going to ever use.

Yeah don't buy the expacs on the campaign because they are full MSRP vs way cheaper at retail. With book of adventures, I also don't need those expacs yet. I am excited for the new game and the app, I still hope they do a version of the app like what Forgotten Waters did where it is all web based which is way easier to maintain. I know quite a few people who have played 30 RC 30 times, and they are done with it. I won't play all the scenarios from the book, but if I can get 30 plays out of it, I will be very happy. I also like more adventures in the book so I can pick and choose and avoid things I might not like.

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was surprised with the price of those expansions when i looked them up to compare

OK, so your vids talked me out of buying Robinson Crusoe but got me to purchase Mythic Battles: Ragnarok so... I guess I better subscribe and tell you I love your videos!

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

This video stands in stark contrast to your video reviewing Primal's campaign. You were much more positive towards Primal despite it being more expensive, having more superfluous stretch goals and add-ons, and featuring less gameplay options for the price. It seems your ability to scrutinize changes when you don't have a personal interest in the game in question.

3 жыл бұрын

I acknowledge my own bias and opinions. It is my opinion after all, not claiming to be purely neutral on a subjective matter. I also am a work in progress.

5:08 but all stretch goals in all campaigns are planned ahead of time for the most part. I think Blacklist games has real stretch goals. But pretty much every other company it's a lie and was pre-planned

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say all. a lot of the smaller indie games I cover on the weekly round up of newly launched games have true stretch goals, though I agree that a lot of the larger campaigns do exactly that

Way too many ads. 6 appeared for me.

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry! That is too many. I'll look it over. I haven't touched that side of things at all. I just click through the presets when it uploads.

@Mr47the

3 жыл бұрын

Odd, i think i only got 2 ads, including the starting one.

Not keen on games with loads of Minis and generally don't buy them. In this instance it's not that excessive and ultimately the whole point of this is mainly to "Deluxify" the base game. If your not interested in the Minis etc just buy Second hand or buy it at retail next day delivery.. both the Treasure Chest and Mystery Tales are in general retail stock also (just checked). So yes I agree it's annoying when games gate game content behind Minis but in this instance it's not too egregious. Probably not going to get this but the upgraded box with a proper insert is tempting along with the Book of a wide choice of scenarios.. I don't have to play them all just would be nice to have a choice than a handful I may not like that much. The new learn to play scenarios look really good also. Overall I think this is a very different proposition than a proper new game that you can't get at retail and for many games never will. Because of this situation they clearly have to offer something which is why they are pushing the "value" of the unique items or at least Vs the retail price. I've got the base game but not too interested in upgrading it but it's got a big following of people who absolutely love it so the packages do make sense IMO.

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. they make sense. but definitely don't make sense for everybody

No

Thanks, this is easy pass.

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

no, you should not back.