"We are a church based on modern revelation and contiual revelation" YES!!!! love that!!! People think our beliefs is based soley on the 1800s.

Not sure why this is seen as a gray area when I personally feel this is quite cut and dry. Here is an excerpt I love and used when teaching temple prep from “Preparing for the Blessings of the Temple” by Russell M. Nelson in 2010 “The temple garment symbolizes continuing commitment The wearing of the temple garment bears great symbolic significance and represents a continuing commitment. Just as the Savior gave us an example of His ability to endure to the end, wearing the garment is one way we demonstrate enduring faith in Him and in His eternal covenants with us. The First Presidency prepared a letter to the Church on this subject. They wrote: “Practices frequently observed among the members of the Church suggest that some members do not fully understand the covenant they make in the temple to wear the garment in accordance with the spirit of the holy endowment. “Church members who have been clothed with the garment in the temple have made a covenant to wear it throughout their lives. This has been interpreted to mean that it is worn as underclothing both day and night. … The promise of protection and blessings is conditioned upon worthiness and faithfulness in keeping the covenant. “The fundamental principle ought to be to wear the garment and not to find occasions to remove it. Thus, members should not remove either all or part of the garment to work in the yard or to lounge around the home in swimwear or immodest clothing. Nor should they remove it to participate in recreational activities that can reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath regular clothing. When the garment must be removed, such as for swimming, it should be restored as soon as possible. “The principles of modesty and keeping the body appropriately covered are implicit in the covenant and should govern the nature of all clothing worn. Endowed members of the Church wear the garment as a reminder of the sacred covenants they have made with the Lord and also as a protection against temptation and evil. How it is worn is an outward expression of an inward commitment to follow the Savior.”

@shaylakenney141

Жыл бұрын

Outside of this, before I received my endowment, my bishop taught me the 3 S’s (exceptions or justifications in taking them off. It is important to note that even this is an opinion as my above excerpt states pretty clearly to not even take them off for yard work.) -Sweat -Swimming -Sex Even after he taught me this, he explained that he still exercises with his garments on as well as working in the yard and went on to share some powerful experiences of when they saved his life doing those activities. One time when the bench press bar fell on his chest and he didn’t suffer any pain at all when he should have been injured and another time when he lost control of a chainsaw, it tore his jeans up, but didn’t even nick a thread from his garments.

@markcavandish1295

Жыл бұрын

A Tank Top at the beach is NOT inappropriate.

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

@@shaylakenney141 what's funny is that every time I hear the famed "3 S exceptions", it is different. I was taught that it was sex, shower, swim. Others say it includes sports too. First time I have heard "sweat". That's extremely vague.... is it any wonder we have seen a huge blurring of the wearing of the garments? If "sweat" truly was a real exception then that would actually include yardwork, all recreation, all sports, and any hard work. My stake president's wife doesn't wear hers to sporting events in which she is a spectator. Another wife of a bishop in my stake told me she doesn't wear them at all in the summer because again - sweat. 🤔Today President Oaks stated that the removal of the garments should only be for times where it is *obviously* inappropriate to have them on (again, sex, shower, swim.)

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

fun fact in 2012 when I went through the temple didn't say how to wear your garment or night and day- just throughout your life. the fact that you have to tell a grown man weither or not you wear your underwear night and day to get blessed by God is really weird. Other faiths have their faith vestments , but no one asks them about their underwear wearing !

We wear Garments ,to remind us of the sacred covenants we have made to our Heavenly Father, in his house! There a beautiful reminder, of the Temple! I don't wear my Garments swimming,or in the shower,or having relations! I'm so thankful to wear my Garments, it's like putting on the armour of GOD! I LOVE THE LORD! I'm a Temple worker, so I understand how special they truly are! 🙏🏻🙏🏼🙏🏾🧔🏻‍♀️👍

I hope you don't get too much flak. This is cut and pasted from the handbook. "The garment should not be removed for activities that can reasonably be done while wearing the garment. It should not be modified to accommodate different styles of clothing."

I love garments! I was always excited to get to wear them once I went through the temple, and ever since then I've loved wearing them. I feel it is an honor to wear them and I love that they remind me of my covenants. 10 years of constantly wearing them has only made me love them more.

You guys are awesome and most helpful 😀

I’d disagree in large part to why people stop wearing garments before/as they go inactive. For a lot it’s not about covenant keeping or respect, it’s about the perceived restrictions of garments

I wear them to the gym, it doesn't bother me! I feel weird not having them on!

@kathleentayl

2 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean because when I am able to put mine on again after swimming or something like that it just feels so so good. So good luck on getting them back I’m in your corner👍

Not to TMI but I have chronic UTIs and my Garment bottoms contribute to that health problem. Due to this I tend to only wear my bottoms for Church and Temple attendance. During the other times I wear regular underwear. I wear my Garment top all the times other than the key times we don't need to.

When I went to the temple with one of my daughters, the temple matron said that there is no reason to remove your garments when you exercise or hike. I found that interesting, as I always took mine off when exercising or mowing the lawn. She said that that's what washing machines are for! Hahaha. I've worn mine for exercise ever since, BUT I still think it is a personal choice and everyone is in a different place.

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... she shouldn't have said that. That's the gospel according to her. Washing machines don't take out long-term pit stains. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@thepeadair

3 жыл бұрын

@@DannyAGray I think you need to read what our leaders have said over the years and what's written in the handbook about the subject.

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

@@thepeadair what are you implying I'm missing?

@tjkasgl

2 жыл бұрын

I don't wear them to exercise as the women's armpit hole is cut too tight across the front leaving me with bloody, ripped skin

@markcavandish1295

Жыл бұрын

Exercising in the garment is So Awful! Stop Doing It

It's been interesting, after being excommunicated, hearing conversations like this. I think a lot of people take wearing the garments for granted. Everyday I have to get out my Hanes or FotL boxers, I cringe and sadly sigh. I can't wait to be about to get back to the temple and the garments.

@brucebooth4489

3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful goal brother

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

Your story sounds interesting. They should do a story about someone being excommunicated and wanting to come back to church. Love to hear that testimony

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564 I've been open to doing a video with S.U. for a long time. My story is much bigger than that, in afraid. Lol

@mikeonthecomputer

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564 There is at least one other episode with someone excommunicated that rejoined. I think much like conversion stories, each person that experiences this cycle has a different take on it. I would love to hear Danny's :)

@zachlightcap2179

3 жыл бұрын

May God bless you on your journey! Bahai faith is the 'parallel religion' to LDS... JOSEPH SMITH SAW HIM!!

I love wearing my temple garments and how we promise to keep our covenants and I’m grateful for this. I try not to alter my garments.

I have an honest question as an outsider. If one hold the opinion that one should not alter the garment, was it not already alternated from the early LDS Saints? Like where it looked kind of like long underwear or a onesie. Not trying to make fun, just asking.

@adoseofcare

3 жыл бұрын

I think that's under the category of modern/current revolution.

@prayerwarrior7778

3 жыл бұрын

@@adoseofcare that still makes the purpose seem ambiguous then if we can just decide God wants to change it.

@adoseofcare

3 жыл бұрын

@@prayerwarrior7778 The idea is that it isn't us that decides but God speaking to us via His prophet.

@prettymermaid2117

3 жыл бұрын

Good question. I think with garments it’s mainly about the symbolism of covenants you make with God more than the hemline. Of course we wanna stay wholesome + not expose too much, but God does update things. For example, garments being a biblical concept, Jews have worn religious clothing as well and they’ve updated over time. Personally I’m glad bc ppl back in the day used to wear a lot more clothing (i.e. giant poofy dresses) and I’m glad garments today reflect more comfortable, streamlined clothing we can move around in easier.

@toddgeorge7421

2 жыл бұрын

@@adoseofcare agreed. We are not to make unauthorized alterations.

I never wear them to the gym or when doing sports as that's how I understood the guidance given at the temple. I wear them while doing yard work because the latest guidance explicitly mentions lawn mowing as a time to wear garments.

@bluedreams517

2 жыл бұрын

It depends the time of the year for me. I overheat fairly quickly, so if it's warmer than 70, in direct sun, and/or fairly heavy yard work, I do it without garments. one less layer makes a big difference for how I feel and how quickly I tire.

I like your comment about making a list of when I should wear and don’t wear them. It’s a personal choice. Growing up I’ve known people while taking a bath they would drape them over there arms. I also had a Stake President that at times would go out jogging with his counselors not wearing them. It’s a personal choice. The church has come out with sometimes when you shouldn’t take them off. There’s also some people with certain medical conditions when at times it is not reasonable not to wear them. It’s mainly between you and the Lord. It’s like paying tithing. Do we pay on the net or gross. I’ve known people when they have there birthdays or Christmas that they want to know how much things costs so they can pay tithing on that There’s a scripture in the Doctrine and Covenants that says I should not command you in all things. Also we here’s a letter of the law vs the Spirit of the law.

I really like, and enjoy your discussions a really good channel 👍I'm not a Mormon,your channel helpful thank you!!so much 💯❤👏

I served in the Army and had garments that were officially modified for military service. So, I recognize that some level of modification away from the norm does happen. I am also the recipient of what could be considered miraculous physical protection directly related to me wearing the garment. My stance is I try to find ways to wear it as much as I can. I sweat a lot, but I still wear garments when I work out, do martial arts, etc. I also understand it's an individual thing and each person has their own approach to it.

It feels weird not having them not on. I know for me if I know it's going to be extremely hot and I'm not going to be in air conditioning I don't wear them. I can't handle hot days but my clothes are still modest with or without my garments.

@julietannOsfan1972

Жыл бұрын

In the UK most houses, & some shops, don’t have air con & I still wear my garments during hot weather. If I get too hot I say a prayer & Heavenly Father always helps me to keep my garments on.

@andreafaldon5026

Жыл бұрын

@@julietannOsfan1972 thank you. Where I live it gets up to 110 degrees or higher on some days.

I’m unable to wear the bottoms, for reasons similar to the Times article. But when we make our covenants we agree to wear them outside of swimming type activity.

I'm grateful garments keep us from the world. The older I get the more I see that. You are asked in an interview and I think it is clear.

Reading the comments, wow. They're for your protection, in many ways. You should understand the purpose but it's up to you when you might not be able to wear them. You Shouldn't feel guilty, if you wear them as much as possible. Keywords: Your protection. Your testimony keeps you strong, your faith keeps you fearless, your garments keeps you protected - God might only know from what

@lenahamster1525

2 жыл бұрын

If they are for protection than they are magical. I'm sorry but how else can any kind of fabric protect you?!

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

how are you protected from heat stroke in 105F with 68% humidity ? with a bra, undershirt and shirt?🤔

This is why we need to start when our children are little to put our children in modest clothing! When they get to be teenagers they need to continue wearing clothes that are modest regardless of what fashion says. If we teach them this from day one, it will be easier to adjust to wearing the garments. They need to be taught the spiritual meaning of the garment. You learn, in the temple, the importance of the temple garment.

@swaneespeedramsey6080

2 жыл бұрын

I was raised to be ashamed of my arms and not show them. There isn’t anything healthy about grooming a child to hide their bodies. I don’t sexualize my children. No one should. Teaching shame and guilt are ways to control behaviors but not healthy ones.

@Hamann9631

2 жыл бұрын

@@swaneespeedramsey6080 Huh? Teaching modesty isn't sexualizing children. Actually, teaching immodest dressing is sexualizing children. I think you are right to denounce hiding arms. Arms aren't sexual. Maybe you are overreacting and going to an opposite extreme from what you had has a youth.

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

we do need to teach children modesty but not shame them or make them feel frumpy. its a fine line to walk and not done well, hurts people.

In regards to garments, what would be the best to use? (like the material and stuff) and why?

@djsimm4

3 жыл бұрын

mesh. Absorbs moisture well.

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

I vote for antibacterial, antihypoallergetic, all organic, anti itch and so light weight you dont sweat in them. But that is never going to happen. Sigh.

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

@@djsimm4 not any more, the fabric has gotten scratchy pls polyester doesn't breath its literally like wearing holly plastic bag on your body. 100% cotton is my preferred material

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

@@mormonreject7564 that would be linen. very hard wearing can be boiled and is what people used even in the Neolithic time's in summer against their skin as a base layer. linen holds onto only 30% of germs that can be boiled out . unlike cotton that holds 50% and synthetics like polyester that hold nasty amounts of germs over 50% - that's why your gym wear stinks so bad even after washing . linen grows in not so great soil as well , doesn't need pesticides and biodegrades

I wear mine at the gym, when I'm playing sports, yard work and, and hiking. It's underwear... it gets sweaty and I wash it. I don't like the feeling of not having them on unless I'm doing water sports. And they should never be modified for fashion. My opinion. TBH, I dont even own a regular pair of underwear.

@josephsmith2371

2 жыл бұрын

You should wear my original garments. They were a one peice, that went to your wrists and ankles. Everyday garments were shortened to the elbows and knees 1923, and full length garments used in the temple, were made no longer necessary in temple since 1975. The current LDS church has changed them for comfort and fashion reasons…..

@bobrussell8339

2 ай бұрын

@@josephsmith2371 You must be over 100 years old.

The thing is that every time I buy garments they are a different length. Which is really enjoying. There are definitely things that are in my closet they don’t fit some of the things I wear. Also different fabrics are different lengths so I just wear the ones that works and feel comfortable.

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikkifrompreston4396 echo

@arnoldthomsen6571

2 жыл бұрын

@@rconger384 The truth echoes forever, sheep.

I agree that everyone needs to make the decision as to what they feel is best when it comes to garments, whether that i talking with a church leader or praying. But my concern is more the discussion here about when you see someone who isn't, and still attends the temple, or goes to church regularly, we are so easy to judge them or consider them as other or less faithful. When there are plenty of folks wearing garments who may be in the same boat but are wearing them. I really dislike physical marker that show how "righteous" someone might be.

No one mentioned praying about these things. Ask God for answers and He will answer you!

@prettymermaid2117

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

Of course you don't modify them. Don't they cover this in the temple recommend interview?

@briankawaiaea8381

3 жыл бұрын

Heck yea!! Why not modify them.. make it into a G-string... why not.. Who would want to be like a sweaty smelling hog.. all day.

Wearing them in your heart…..that said it all.

There are garments available for the gym. There are ones made for hospital stays. The only exceptions are showering, sex, swimming. Garments are not to be altered for fashion, hot weather or any other reason. We are told that in the temple.

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

Yes there are different kinds of garments that seem to work for me in the variables I encounter with exercise: running, cycling, gym. I think of it as more ways to wear them more often.

@eshewyful

2 жыл бұрын

I wear different fabrics for different occasions. To me cotton garments are to hot in the summer time. In the cooler weather I like the new Stretch cotton.

Showering, swimming, and for me, exercising. I exercise at home and I go hard, I am drenched at the end. I answered thd door right after exercising and the guy asked if I had just jumped out of the pool. For me, I find it disrespectful TO wear them when when exercising because they will get gross. But I was judging a co-worker for wearing immodest Halloween costumes and no garments. One year was sleeveless and one year was a very short skirt. I found that to be wrong, like she was looking for a reason to not wear them.

the only thing that the temple says is 'you are instructed to wear the garment throughout your life'. there is NO specific covenant in the temple to wear the garment. People can say it's 'implied', but that is not what it says. If words matter in the covenant, then you need to admit that there is not a specific covenant to wear the garment. If you can find one, let me know

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

I heard they changed the temple wording , again.

Thoughts on things and stuff? Pretty sure that’s a different channel lol

6:25 6:36 Honestly, anyone who hates on you for that comment is just an unruly faithless "cafeteria Mormon". They literally say that exact thing when you get your endowment: that you don't ever modify the garment for fashion purposes. The Church handbook says the same thing.

I haven't gone through the temple yet, so I haven't ever had garments. I feel like this video was a bit of a loving reminder to me. It's saddening and frustrating for me to think about all the people who've gone through the temple and received their garments, and then they decide to not wear them because it's not fashionable, or comfortable. Then this thought comes... "Heavenly Father probably feels pretty sad and frustrated when I start doing the things that I know will hinder my spiritual, and personal growth too." Every dang time I start getting my crap together, I get these huge stumbling blocks that seem to really just knock me on my butt, instead of just tripping me up. ...BUT... Now I'm thinking (or wondering) if I'm supposed to experience these things that are necessary for me to be able to keep some perspective, for later on when I do finally go through the temple, and get my own garments. Also, It's like military training, sort of...if you think about it. We join God's "spiritual military" to become better spiritual warriors. The garments are our protective gear. They exist to help us, and remind us why we "enlisted" in the first place. It's hard being brave on a battlefield, when all you've ever known is civilian life, and you're wearing regular old street clothes. I feel way more capable of success when I am equipped with the necessary tools, and knowledge. I'm still in basic training, kind of. ..I haven't graduated from basic training yet, because I keep getting lost in the surrounding areas. (I wonder if I subconsciously self sabotage my own progress, knowing I'll have to leave civilian life behind, and hold myself to a higher standard.) One day though... One day I'm gonna be shod in full armor! It may be hot, and sticky, and heavy and uncomfortable, but I won't take it off unless I NEED to, not because I want to. (No way am I going to struggle so hard, and for so long, just to fall prey to vanity. ) Thank you guys, for taking the time and effort to reach out. You don't have anyone in particular in mind. You just reach, and whomever grabs your hand, you are there to help pull them to safety, if they choose to not let go! You guys are awesome. Thank you so much!

@briankawaiaea8381

3 жыл бұрын

Image making covenants with God with temple garments then breaking them the covenant with him by not wearing them.. It's very fatal to make an agreement(covenant) and not fulfilling it.. It's like the commandments that man couldnt never obey fully.. but God made provision for breaking his commandments.. animal sacrifice.. 👉so What would the punishment be for not wearing temple garments.?? Because there's no more sacrifice.. JESUS did his job already.. who's going to pay for your disobedience.. How the heck anybody going know what's under your outer garment.. Don't ever make any promises to God and keep it.. IT'S FATAL

@purplerain0517

3 жыл бұрын

@@briankawaiaea8381 😶 I honestly don't know how to respond to your comment. Not out of frustration, or lack of wisdom. But...more out of confusion. I don't exactly know what point you were trying to make. Were you trying to be funny? Or serious? Was this an internet troll attack, but I'm just now realizing it, because the troll was inept, and bumbling around? After reading your comment over (and over) a few times, I've kind of gleaned a BIT from it, but I'm still a little flummoxed. Also...if you're attempting to troll my comment, that's gross, and sad. It makes my heart want to puke, as well as cry. I didn't even know that was possible, until a few moments ago.

@briankawaiaea8381

3 жыл бұрын

@@purplerain0517I'm not trolling your comment in anyway..Seriously The Lord could care less about wearing garments... the most important and only thing the Lord wants is a surrendered heart to him.. WHEN you do the surrendering.. He does the MIRACULOUS in your life... It's not about law & ordinances, garments, coffee, & tea, dos & don't...nope.. it's all about your heart..a relationship with the Lord Jesus.. if any church puts laws & ordinances..you abide by ... then my honest advice is to run.. JESUS didn't die on the cross to bring you more law & ordinances.. JESUS didn't come to make bad people good. "JESUS CAME TO MAKE DEAD PEOPLE LIVE".. because everyone is dead in trespasses & sins. The LORD is all about a relationship with you... Psalms 23:1 The LORD is my Shepard 👈that's the relationship.🤙

@purplerain0517

3 жыл бұрын

@@briankawaiaea8381 Me: *Spits out water * Oh no he didn't. Really, my dude? You're here to stand on your anti Mormon soap box? Why? That's gross, man. You have a right to your feelings. But why spew your feelings all over MY comment? You couldn't just make a general comment of your own? You had to piggyback off mine? With YOUR negativity? But you're not being a troll? 🧐 That's pretty trollish behavior, if you ask me. In fact, SPEAKING OF TROLLS Given the fact that I happen to be a bit of a Fantasy fiction lover, and have read my fair share of books with trolls in them, I am pretty confident in my troll behavior assessment. You, sir, are acting like a troll. You're butting in to my heart felt comment, with your rude as crap comment that wasn't warranted in any way. The cast of Saints Unscripted literally asks people to comment their thoughts. MY comment was asked for. I shared mine. You shared your negative as cuss comment on top of mine! Rude! I didn't follow my comment up with "Feel free to share your thoughts and feelings with me." No, sir. I don't want your negativity. You keep that in your own comments. This is a good vibes only section. I understand word vomit. I have combined ADHD. The struggle is real. But keep it classy, man. Don't go piggy backing other people's comments. Commenting and replying are as different as driving, and riding! You're in my car dude. I'm sorry if you don't like the music. If you don't like it, you're welcome to find alternate transportation. After all, you did just open the door uninvited, and sat down and started talking to a total stranger, about how much you disagree with them. If this were real life, I'd be creeped out. I'd be like "...what..the...? Oh my gosh is he crazy? Am I gonna be his skinsuit? Holy crap! Creeper in my car! " Yeah. It's like that. Kinda gross, huh? Don't go throwing yourself into other people's comments. If you're not a creeper, you're a troll. So.... which is it?

@briankawaiaea8381

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry for you miss pitty party

As a woman you have to try EVERYTHING on before buying it with garments

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

and its a pain in the rear . cant bend over or you flash underwear with pencil skirts and long Bermuda's , you have to tug at even what you thought was the most modest of necklines when things shift around and they are so high under your arms they chafe your armpits, no cute modest v necks without under-boob pucker, cotton bottoms creep up your leg and bunches under pants. undergarments re supposed to give you a good silhouette so your clothes look good , many lds garments fail in this department

Marie Osmonds’ performance clothes aren’t always conducive to wearing her garments. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

@PapaKryptoss

3 жыл бұрын

Julie Boye on her KZread channel doesn't always wear hers either in her videos. Lots of LDS that make videos or entertain take them off.

@prettymermaid2117

3 жыл бұрын

Why single her out tho.

@leslielousma7913

3 жыл бұрын

@@prettymermaid2117 I didn’t mean it derogatory. I’ve been an Osmond fan for 50 years.

@prettymermaid2117

3 жыл бұрын

@@leslielousma7913 Ah

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

they are jack Mormons

Arkansas summer humidity plus garments make me feel extra gross. Can we also have a conversation about garments and autism? It definitely makes a sensory issue sometimes.

For Jews Its a talit katan "small" under your clothing the talit gadol "big"is for daily pray and shabbat. It also has a blue string on it

Yes. If it hasn't been made clear about the guides to garment wearing then ask. It's pretty clear what the answer is considering one of the ten questions to receiving a temple recommend is if a member wears their temple garments every day. I wouldn't expect anyone to wear them when exercising such as biking, hiking, weights, cardio or playing sports. Would you wear them underneath a swimsuit? Of course not. Then why would you wear them during any other physical activity inside or outside? I would even say gardening can be considered a physical activity however, that is at the discretion of every individual.

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

See but this is where things get really murky and inconsistent. Many of us were told in the temple we only could wear a bra OVER our garments. The church put out an OFFICIAL statement not too long ago that the garment should not be removed for exercise, sports, or gardening. The letter specifically mentioned those things. So why all the inconsistencies? I believe that letter has been redacted now but all of us who were TBM back during that time have a hard time reconciling how we were shamed then, but now it’s okay? It’s hard to take a “rule” serious when the rule constantly changes depending on the year, the person you talk to, the priesthood holder’s opinion, etc. That vagueness and inconsistency tends to, over time, start to erode the validity of the garment as a concept of daily wear. And what about differences in body type? Garment tops went all the way to my collar bone due to how small chested I was - I literally could not wear women’s shirts at all because of it. I had to wear men’s tees in order to cover my garments. But big chested women at church were showing cleavage all over the place because the garment tops actually fit their body type. What a joke! Now what I am seeing is that it depends on your relation to the priesthood leader. I had a bishop’s wife tell me last summer that she won’t wear garments the entire summer because it’s too hot. Her husband allows her to have a temple recommend, but we were told specifically that wasn’t appropriate. The stake president’s wife doesn’t wear garments to community events that might include sports whether she is actually participating or not. Again, we were counseled *specifically* that that was inappropriate, but her husband allows her a temple recommend. I was told that if I did that I would not be wearing the garment appropriately. Is this favortism? Nepotism? Natural consequences of vagueness and inconsistencies? All of the above. And it’s hard to take it seriously anymore.

14:30. That made me think about how I have more respect for people who actually try to follow a religion, as opposed to those who claim to follow something but don't.

I had my endowment last Friday.. I was deffo told not to change or adapt them.. answer them always

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

easer when your a man .

There is a right answer to many of these questions. For example, no, you should never modify the garment to accomodate different styles of clothing. This is explicitly stated.

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

yet people in the 50's ,60's and 70s were more lax in showing shoulders.

4:00. For men who wear tidy whities before their endowment is is a change. I went from having my underwear stop at my but to having my under wear having legs.

I love wearing my garments and I always love putting them back on after swimming.

I always ask myself if someone's faith is okay when I see them not wearing garments, but I actually do good at not judging others. I have a terrible memory, so I can't even remember who I saw! Also, it's between them and God, and the fact that they even have garments means that they're comfortable with the thought of being judged by God. I don't need to judge them, their decisions are between them and God.

My garments represent my sacred covenants. Why would I want to be without them?

I love this & I love the privilege to wear my garments. I feel if we make excuses to not wear them, then we start to put a wedge between us & the Lord. No judgement, however, it’s more about our obedience & faith on how important our covenants are to us individually. I love your channel.

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

or maybe women don't want rashes , infections and heat stroke ?

My parents were ultra conservative with garments, to the point they would wear them even when swimming and wearing t shirts and things to cover them. They never let them touch the floor and even washed them separately from the other whites. I feel like I treat my garments respectfully, but I haven’t gone that far.

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

that's extreme religious scrupulosity and unhealthy!

@brandonl2555

4 күн бұрын

@@ah5721 that’s not true. They didn’t make a big deal about it or do it out of a sense of guilt. That’s just how they chose to respect their garments.

20 year drug addict turned lds gave my life to God. What if I don’t need a reminder regarding my covenants? Symbolism and reminders just doesn’t seem worth it since my whole life is a reminder.

Are they supposed to be worn during sex?

@toddgeorge7421

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely not

Yes, except swimming showering etc is what I was taught. I honour that.

The garment is there to keep us in modest clothing. Because it is a modest attitude that keeps us obeying the law of chastity and other covenants.

My commentis this> Listen to what is said at the Veil in the Temple. It tells where the garment length should be.

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

itjust were the marking should go. I pay attention to wordings carefully

The comment you made about Joseph not wearing them in Liberty Jail, brought a question to mind. When were the temple garments first introduced? Also when you talk about members who have left the church and not wearing garments anymore, there’s another side to that. I personally know people that aren’t going to church anymore that do still wear their garments but it is because for one they still respect the covenants they made in the temple. The other is, at least for the last time I heard, we aren’t supposed to make the decision when to stop wearing them. We are supposed to consult with our bishops. I don’t know if that has changed but…

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Liberty jail I wonder there is a document? Link?

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

I read one of the church’s historical articles several years who where it was documented that originally the garment was only worn in the temple. It originally was not meant to be worn daily!

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

Who=ago

I don't understand why it's okay to not wear them when working out. I do understand it's okay not to while swimming.

Funny to see this as it gives a shout out to those who want to not wear them day and night and alter them. Now in 2024 the first pres cracked down on that and it went back to the strict wearing and no altering

What do you mean, REMIND us of our covenment? Are you suggesting mormons cant remember them on their own?

@toddgeorge7421

2 жыл бұрын

It's an extra reminder. Of course we don't need them to remind ourselves but they don't hurt

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

@james I agree! I can’t stand the verbiage that they will be a protection from temptation. Plenty of people have have infidelity problems wearing garments. And never have I felt temptation from not wearing them. My love and loyalty to my husband has zero to do with my underwear. There used to be a cultural tradition with the LDS that you should not change out of your church clothes on Sunday or you might be tempted to break the sabbath. My husband’s mission president taught them that if they need to have law of Moses “rules” like that then they are a slothful servant. I agree. The idea that garments keep us from temptation falls under that same principle to me

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

If I can’t remember my covenants or how to follow the savior unless I’m wearing garments, that has deeper concerns for me …

What do you think of how LDS church is presented in real housewives of salt lake city

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

they are jack Mormons, but I lived in salt lake city and many trophy wives act poorly and have a lot of "work done" up there. the whole rich people scene up there, is a toxic keeping up with the joneses fake fest.

How might someone demonstrate the difference between ideas like magic, voodoo, superstition, spirituality, priesthood, etc.?

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

Demonstrate? Not sure that can be done.

@seans5289

3 жыл бұрын

@@DannyAGray: Could we demonstrate the difference between, say, magic and medicine?

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

@@seans5289 I guess it depends on how you define magic in all this.

@seans5289

3 жыл бұрын

@@DannyAGray: I mean it in the standard dictionary usage. I’m sure whatever Google comes up with would suffice for broad uses like this.

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

@@seans5289 I think the difference in these things is probably based on where you're coming from. A believer might see a miracle while an atheist might see a trick, or an impossibility, or even magic. In my opinion, miracles (spirituality, priesthood) are simply events of a science we don't yet understand. I think there is a scientific explanation for Christ's many miracles, for instance, and I'm content knowing I don't understand the properties of those miracles. I think voodoo and superstition are generally thought of in negative terms. While I do believe Satan has some influence over the physical world and its actions, I think voodoo and superstition only have the power one lets them have.

Wouldn’t “fashion” be worldly, when we’re talking about the garments? ....hmmm

When I want through the temple for the first time(2012) it was said throughout your life , not night and day like now. I know fashion history and they had just below knee pantaloons and sleeveless chemises -aka undershirts in the mid 1800s. I don't understand the need to have sleeves on modern-day women's garments... or no decent v necks . As a : Old school intersectional post 90s feminist, seamstress who knows how clothing is produced I have so many frustrations with what's available and the whys that go into the whole manufacturing and why we as women have to suffer from ill fitting frumpy undergarments. Why is the presiding bishopric - who is a man is put in charge over the women's underwear & doesn't wear the articles of clothing meant for women's bodies? so many women I know get yeast infections from their garment or heat rashes. How does that make someone feel closer to God when they are miserable? I know I don't ! Also, I'd hate to be plus sized because the sleeves are longer and the necklines are higher. its like saying you cant be as comfortable or as stylish as a slimmer sister and we are going to make it even harder for you to feel good about the body God gave you . I also feel there is room for improvement in treating the workers who cut and sew them .. btw who are pied per piece-not living wages is ridiculous cause the church has TRILLIONS in investments and tithes that they could pay them , they could also cut out plastic aka polyester out of the fiber content that makes people overheat and creates micro plastics that goes into our water ..making every man women and child now carry a credit cards worth of plastic in our bodies, and making them better for the many women who are suffering . I hold my convents with God sacred, I also believe God doesn't look at the outward appearance but knows our intents our our hearts. who knows what the future will bring ? but I for one will not be dying of heat stroke before I find out !

I only wear the top at home. I wear both, top and bottom to church. But I don't wear them on other days. I don't like wearing layers, and in the summer I get hot even with a light t-shirt. No one even told me what the symbols were for. I joined in 2013. And only finding out details now.

@yvonnejohnson9587

Жыл бұрын

You are told what the symbols are for in the endowment. If you have been through an endowment session, you heard what the symbols mean.

@lesliedaubert1411

Жыл бұрын

@@yvonnejohnson9587 They didn't tell me.

@yvonnejohnson9587

Жыл бұрын

It is a part of the endowment. If you are endowed then you were told. If you don't know, then you did not pay attention to the endowment. It is simply not true to say you have not been told. The symbols are explained in the endowment itself. Go do a session and actually pay attention. Then you will understand the symbolism.

@lesliedaubert1411

Жыл бұрын

@@yvonnejohnson9587 I don't need special clothing to remind me of the Church I go to.

@yvonnejohnson9587

Жыл бұрын

Well, you probably shouldn't make a covenant with God that you will wear them, if that is how you feel.

Some people can't wear them. I have a skin disorder and overheat easily. First day I had them on in arizona I passed out and the lace left a rash around my neck from that awful lace. I ended up in the ER from a heat stroke. I have to laugh but those garments almost killed me!

@suem6004

3 жыл бұрын

If you wear clothing, you can wear garments. There are special order 100 percent cotton, no lace versions. Are you saying that you walk around nude? Doubt it.

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

Have you sought advice from your local leaders on it?

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

@@DannyAGray yes i was told I was a good member if I didnt wear them and if I have a medical issue God will overlook this matter

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

@@suem6004 lol. Are you serious? And are you really going to sit there and judge me? Who the heck are you to question my medical disorder,

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564 that would be my only question for you then. As far as I'm concerned, of you've made every reasonable effort to wear them, and your local leadership is aware of your situation, the rest of us really have nothing else to say. Good on you, homie.

What would Warren Jeffs suggest??

@adoseofcare

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

Depending on assignments and gifts in your life eg I'm from NZ and I'm maori if common for maori to have spiritual attacks or experiences with spirits good and not good. There is power which we all need to keep us safe from the enemy and his followers not just from not drinking or going clubbing but spiritual forces from the unseen world. I encourage all to wear them you need too

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

how do you deal with the heat and humidity ?!

Yeah try having sensory issues and then having to wear garments. Not a good mix

Yes absolutely, nobody is going to break your legs over it but it’s what we said we’d do. I know that Joseph Smith took them off when it was excessively hot so it’s common sense more than anything

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

Please, Is there a document? Link?

I personally don’t wear garments when I go to the gym, I feel it’s disrespectful to get them sweaty

@reillydevine12

3 жыл бұрын

I would have to agree with you on that

@thepeadair

3 жыл бұрын

There's a thin line between showing respect and idolising. Sounds like you have one foot across that line.

I would love you to do a segment on the churches stance on immunizations. I see this as a huge divide right now & feel we need an impartial discussion on this.

@SaintsUnscripted

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Julia!! We are actually going to be filming that episode today! But it likely won't be published for another week or so. But stay tuned!!

@momsarah3340

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly do not feel like it’s the Church’s decision, I think we should say our prayers and each individual decide for themselves.

@harryhenderson2479

3 жыл бұрын

I would base my decision to get vaccinated on research and facts. The science is very clear: vaccinations save lives.

@momsarah3340

3 жыл бұрын

@@harryhenderson2479 I already have several autoimmune diseases and do not want to compromise my health. I don’t believe it’s a good decision for me. And it’s proven science fails. I’m completely supportive of those that disagree. We all have individual beliefs and choices & I think I will be prayerful, counsel with God and move forward with what’s best for me.

@harryhenderson2479

3 жыл бұрын

@@momsarah3340 I’m sorry to hear about your medical issues. My wife has a couple of autoimmune diseases and her doctors (three opinions on the matter) all advised her to get the vaccine. It’s because of science that you know you have these autoimmune diseases. Please, get unbiased medical expert opinions on the matter…for your safety and the safety of others.

Exactly like she said, i always say the saints need to look for ways and reasons to wear the garment and stop making excuses and finding reasons not to wear it. As for the not wearing them when you are sweating? Just think if the pioneers would have taken them off for their daily responsibilities. They were sweating all day every day.

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't it a matter of one's personal inspiration on it and counseling with the lord, not going off of anecdotal pressure and stories like this?

@jonnelson6572

3 жыл бұрын

@@DannyAGray and also the insturction we are given on wearing them

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

This is judgemental. So I cant wear them. Are you saying I am making up excuses and I am a bad member? Is that the message Christ wants you to give everyone that is not like you?

@jonnelson6572

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564 1 Nephi 16 1-5. If it hurts to hear this you may be experiencing a little spiritual surgery

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonnelson6572 well I cant wear them. You can now rejoice that you judged me and believe in a God that is sending me to the telestial kingdom. LOL. Dont you ever get tired if being so self righteous?

How about instead of worrying about how to wear underwear focus on Christ and what He accomplished on the cross. Jesus had the same problem with the Pharasees in His day. They were watching and judging everything He did. What other people do is between them and God. Those that want to follow all the churches rules and feel like that's what brings them closer to Christ then go for it but let others worship Christ their way.

"FEENAY! FEHEHEHEENAY!!"

Given that Joseph Smith got priesthood authority in May 1829 and given that Chapter 84: 20-22 of Doctrine and covenants is true LDS scripture. How could Joseph Smith seen God in his revelation without priesthood authority?

@bobrussell8339

2 ай бұрын

That would be a question for God.

(insert my many thoughts about the garments but too sacred to discuss here) Only thing I will say: It's a symbolic protection that has protected many in different ways.

Here is some of the guidance, which is covered in the recommend interviews conducted by a bishopric member and a member of the stake presidency: "The temple garment is a reminder of covenants made in the temple and, when worn properly throughout life, will serve as a protection against temptation and evil. The garment should be worn beneath the outer clothing. It should not be removed for activities that can reasonably be done while wearing the garment, and it should not be modified to accommodate different styles of clothing. Endowed members should seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit to answer personal questions about wearing the garment. It is a sacred privilege to wear the garment and doing so is an outward expression of an inner commitment to follow the Savior Jesus Christ." Answers to many of these questions are in the temple as you participate in the ordinances, but also in the General Handbook found in the Gospel Library app.

@ah5721

4 күн бұрын

thats new, in the last 2 years or so they changed the wording , again. and don't you think its odd if a male church member asks sisters if they are wearing underwear ?

I personally always wear my garments. It brings me a lot of comfort just to feel them on me. No judgement for anyone that dosent wear them when working out or whatever.

It is hard for women as clothing does not cover the garments but you can always sew and design your own fashion. It is also hard when the sizing is off so you feel you have no choice, but hang in there. It could be in the future that we get patches to attach to underneath our clothing. Would streamline the entire garment production thing across cultures and climates. You grow into loving the Lord more than loving the world when you mature spiritually.

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

Special orders are possible

You should never judge anyone? LOL! Life is about judging how you live and the choices you make. Much of that is based off of judging others. Who do I want to marry? What do I want them to be like? What about their hobbies and pastimes should they have? Like the sabbath observance. What kind of companion will she be? What kind of mother will she be? Can I live with how she is? Judgement is circular like many aspects of the gospel. Mercy. Kindness. The savior didn't say "Don't judge others." He said /Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again./ and went on to explain karma. I find it interesting how people hear what they want, like "Don't judge others" rather than what was actually taught. “Sometimes people feel that it is wrong to judge others in any way. While it is true that you should not condemn others or judge them unrighteously, you will need to make judgments of ideas, situations, and people throughout your life. … “Judgment is an important use of your agency and requires great care, especially when you make judgments about other people. All your judgments must be guided by righteous standards."

@chriscockrell9495

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564 The underwear defines an individual member's commitment (belief) to God (to the religion?). If they accept membership and claim membership, that bad member designation is a reasonable judgement. If a member doesn't attend church or pay tithing, seems fine to say they are a bad member. Not complying with basic tenants of the religion seems like a reasonable use of member classification (good or bad). If underwear is part of the membership expectation, then I don't see the issue. The self righteous argument is just a way of saying 'you are wrong' or 'I disagree with your beliefs.'

@chriscockrell9495

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564 /If I follow your logic/ Seem clear that you don't follow my logic. As a said, /If they accept membership and claim membership/. Logic calls that a condition. The condition must be meet to have validity. /you believe all nonmembers not wearing garments and reject the church are bad people/ Need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

@harryhenderson2479

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriscockrell9495 C’mon man. Don’t be a prick.

@chriscockrell9495

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564 Wow, maybe I should reiterate. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I did not call you a 'bad person.' That is you, hearing what you want to hear, not hearing what I said. I'd call it psychological projection on your part. What I said was, /If they accept membership and claim membership (so don't abide by the voluntary commitment the member has made - the garment), that bad member (as opposed to a good member) designation is a reasonable judgement./ A bad member and a bad person are rather different distinctions. /but according to you I am a bad person/ Notice that is not what I said. Notice that many of your claims about my comments and positions are not 'what I said.' If you are accepting membership and not living up to basic member commitments, then yes, you are a bad member. If you don't read your scriptures and pray, attend church or pay tithing (as I already said), you are being a bad member. Are you a bad member? Allergic? Do you walk around naked because you are allergic to clothes? Garments have had a number of iterations. Styles, materials, one pieces, two pieces, long underwear. There are options. That sounds like you are trying to justify your position and belief in not using garments.

@chriscockrell9495

3 жыл бұрын

@@harryhenderson2479 Prick? Which part? What I find interesting is the side tangent. I posted about judgement of others, not the garments specifically, and then Mormon Reject took it in a completely different direction than my comment about one line in the video. Not saying that is bad or inappriopriate, just trying to understand why he replied to my comment, out of all of the comments to this video. What I don't get is, why he is engaging with me? His points and my points are rather different. The best I can figure is that he doesn't like my point, or is wanting me to know that 'I am wrong.' I really don't see him explaining logically why I am wrong or what is right, why he is right. I write lots of dumb stuff. I attempt not to, but it still happens. So sometimes people make good counter arguments worthy of reconsidering a position. I'm just not seeing it in this case. If he wants to discuss the worth of souls, that is an interesting discussion. I don't see that happening yet.

And I think you're worrying too much about being judgmental. It's not judgmental to use intuition. When someone drinks coffee, it is safe to assume they are not obeying the Word of Wisdom. When someone doesn't wear the garment, it's safe to assume they are not taking their temple covenant as seriously as they should.

Personally i think the garment has little to do with modesty and more to do with being a protection. There is nothing immoral about a naked body or showing your shoulders. It is only the lust and objectification of naked bodies that make it immoral. (Showing respect for our body is important though). While i don't think you should make any physical sewing alter to the sacred clothing, pulling them up a little higher so you can make your clothes fit isnt something i think God would bother condeming anyone for. I think he'd be happy you want to wear the garment in general. And i dont think they are any less of a protection if you do pull them higher up. They all fit different on different peoples bodies anyways. The fact that people are judging others for their underwear is kinda ridiculous. 😂

@jessicajenson3480

Жыл бұрын

I also think that what the church says about wearing it when it is "reasonable to do so" is really vague and very open to personal interpretation. And because of this I don't think God cares too much about the when. Just thy you wear it through out your life. It is a protection after all. It's a gift not a life sentence. You don't have to wear your gift if you don't want to. (But im not sure why you wouldn't want to be protected from satan.)

I wear mine everywhere swimming 🏊‍♂️ gym shooting range 24 hrs a day 365 days a year.If I don’t wear it I feel i’m incomplete!

@tmahue9541

3 жыл бұрын

Bath and shower?

@gerry705

3 жыл бұрын

Except that 😄

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

Swimming… 😳

@gerry705

4 ай бұрын

@@mamame3729Yes swimming also satan have power in the water.

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

@@gerry705 Well you obviously are not female. But even then, a man should not have to wear a shirt to swim (let alone wear TWO shirts to swim in order to cover his garments). That's ridiculous. Is it any wonder that no one takes the wearing of garments serious anymore? When we have opinions and recommendations that are all over the place, from one extreme to the other end of the spectrum extreme?

Huh????

I would like to say that there are too many caddy gossipy women in the church that point out who is wearing garments and who isnt. If you choose not to wear them that is nobodies business but your own. If you choose not to wear them it doesn't mean your a wayward child or a bad person that is not going to the celestial kingdom. I am really sick of the women out there that care what underwear some one is wearing. Those people that point out an issue with your underwear have serious insecurity problems

I knew a fellow who got tattoos of the garments markings so he wouldn't have to wear the material. A little backwards, but I'm sure he's not the first to think of it.

@ahh-2-ahh

3 жыл бұрын

That’s cool! Got me thinking now...

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe I should do that. Lol

@BrendonKing

3 жыл бұрын

Strange, yet efficient

@prettymermaid2117

3 жыл бұрын

That goes over my head..but sounds like blasphemy?

@DannyAGray

3 жыл бұрын

@@prettymermaid2117 I don't judge. That's between him and God. I know another girl whose mom didn't want her to get any tattoos at all, so as a compromise, the girl surprised her mom with a "tramp stamp" of the CTR shield. 🤣🤣🤣

This is so Cringe. I Get To Decide When And Where I Wear The Garments. If I Don’t Wear Them I Am Still Worthy

Jesus wore garments they were called Tzt Tzi they represented all the commandments.

Of course we should wear them every day if we want protection from satan and show our commitment to our saviour i am not ashamed of them i wear them every wear at the doctors i take them off or lift the top up to be examined they are very sacred and shouldnt be disgust on line only talk to your bishop about it no one else can give you advice better than those called of God with authorities to watch over the members than the bishop satan will use you to bring down the importance of wearing temple garments keep them private personal and sacred

Okay, there are people who don't have a sense of fashion who say they won't do anything for fashion. The rest of us who do socialize and aren't married by 22, might not wear it a particular day, fully understanding it's still sacred.

the fact that in a religious context that we have to even talk about this--guys, this is pretty messed up. This is a sign of the infantilization of the people in this religion. You are talking to adults and young adults like they are children or adolescents. You are actually doing a video about how and when to wear the undergarment. This is actually insane that we are in a religion that is this controlling about something that should be a totally personal decision. And yet, here you are, feeling compelled to do a video on this. And the fact that a lot of people are watching this, tells you that they can't make the decision on their own. They feel like they have to be validated by opinions of other people. WOW, unreal

Y'all have to wear extra underwear? What in the world?

@RyanMercer

Жыл бұрын

It isn't extra underwear, we don't put regualr underwear on then put it on over it, or vice versa, it is are only under garments.

@RafaelGarcia-jb3me

Жыл бұрын

@@RyanMercer why in the world are you guys adding rules and rituals that don't make any sense logically or biblically.

@RyanMercer

Жыл бұрын

@@RafaelGarcia-jb3me sacred garments exist in most religions, including the Judaism of the Bible .

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

@ryan you are obviously not a woman because that’s EXACTLY what LDS women do.

Why does this sound so silly to me 🤔

@SaintsUnscripted

8 ай бұрын

What aspect are you referring to?

@hugoalmanza7615

8 ай бұрын

@@SaintsUnscripted the idea that sacred undergarments exists. In my opinion, Underwear is just underwear.

I don't wear my garments when I go to bed.

Do you have to wear your garments? Of course not. You can do whatever works best for you. I stopped wearing my garments due to my hypersensitive skin. I can only wear one shirt that is made out of very soft cotton-poly. Also, for guys, there are much more comfortable boxer briefs out there (e.g, Pair of Thieves)

The temple garment is not ceremonial clothing. It's so much more. We're instructed and we promise to wear them day and night. As we do this, in faith and with pure intent, the garment becomes an amazing source of spiritual and physical protection throughout one's life. That's been my experience and conviction.

@mamame3729

4 ай бұрын

@juddclub actually there is nowhere anymore where it says to wear them day and night. Handbook and temple recommend questions used to! No more! Neither resource mentions “day and night”. And no Where in the endowment does it either. Now all it’s says is to wear it “throughout your life”. See why there is so much confusion? Inconsistency? Vagueness? It’s hard to take it serious when no one seems to know what they are talking about. No one has had consistent instruction.

How might we find out whether or not god is concerned with women baring their shoulders in public?

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

We cant.

@seans5289

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564: A noble effort, I suppose.

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

@@seans5289 Jesus never discussed it and I am not sure if they showed shoulders in his day. Roman women did

@seans5289

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormonreject7564: I sometimes wonder why certain topics are discussed in religious texts at length while others are barely or never mentioned. It’s even more interesting when compared with the outward concerns of the religions using those texts.

@mormonreject7564

3 жыл бұрын

@@seans5289 i just dont think there is anything on the topic because God doesnt care what you wear. It is superficial. There are indigeneous tribes running around in hardly nothing in the rainforest. I dont think God is going to judge them on their underwear or exposed bodies. It is hot in the rainforest. It is hot in arizona.

For those who don't have time to watch the whole episode, a summary: You can do whatever you feel is right, but you can't, but you can, but you can't, but you can, but you can't, you can judge for yourself, but you can't, and we never judge anyone for how they wear or don't wear their garments, but we definitely do, but you can really do what you want, but you really can't, and it's no big deal if you don't wear your garments like others do, but it is because God is watching and he wants you to wear the garments, but you can ask God what is right and that's OK and everything is totally OK with whatever God tells you, but on the other hand you can't judge for yourself at all because if you don't follow the prophets you're an apostate backslider and a bad example to the other Mormons and your salvation is at risk because you will be judged by heavenly agents after you die and the first thing they'll want to know is whether you cheated on the garments.

@icemoney24

3 жыл бұрын

it wasn’t

@Rockyrocks2112

3 жыл бұрын

lowkey accurate

@prettymermaid2117

3 жыл бұрын

The ultimate authority is God. But also you can’t go around saying rules don’t apply to you bc of Him (false). So I think God meets ppl where they’re at and helps them grow while still maintaining His law. Just like any other principle. Law is law, but people’s journey to meet it is their journey. Also people really are individuals and God understands this. To exercise or not in garments..maybe some people feel it’s disrespecting the garment getting it sweaty and others feel it empowers them to work harder. God understands our needs and psychological reactions and what would best help us on our unique paths. So the nitty gritty doesn’t need such passionate arguments imo. I’m not endowed btw. But this is my general stance on church principals.

@thepeadair

3 жыл бұрын

@@prettymermaid2117 Best response I've read on this subject.

@prettymermaid2117

3 жыл бұрын

@@thepeadair Thanks! The Spirit + Letter of the Law need balance, that’s all ⚖️ 😇

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP using the word Mormon!! There has to be a way to pound this in to the heads of every Latter-day Saint.