Why, or why not? What do YOU think?

@jordanelza8806

22 күн бұрын

I can see both sides. On one hand, the puppetry is a very important part of the Dark Crystal. But on the other hand, (as you said) doing animation is ultimately much cheaper and less limited to what they can show. So honestly, I don’t care too much about how we are given more Dark Crystal on screen, as long as it’s well written.

@dkscribe8896

18 күн бұрын

For now, until the rights are owned by a different company, I'd be fine with a cartoon. I need some sort of new inspiration for my fanfic writing. I've had writer's block for what seems like forever, but may be only about 2 years or so. Not sure if I'd go 3d or 2d, but if it was 2d I wish Studio Ghibli would animate it. I think a richly diverse world such as Thra would look amazing if it were done like Spirited Away. If we're talking 3d, Disney (so long as they kept the LGBT+ representation and basic story from the book and show, preferably the book version though) or Dreamworks. If Don Bluth was still producing the 80s/90s style cartoon movies, that would also be a decent pick for 2d. And a cartoon would allow them to expand the amount of Thra we would get to see, they could do the cool part in book 3 with the chase to rescue Onica and show skekSa and her giant turtle beast of a ship Vassa, a lot more different creatures that would've cost so much to make as a puppet. There's so much more that can be done in the animation medium. Would I prefer another show like or a continuation of AoR? Abso-freakin-lutely! But it's been what, 5 years and we've gotten absolutely nothing as Netflix just sort of sits on the rights, and Henson has to twiddle their thumbs while they wait to be able to do something other than a ballet many fans around the world will never get to go to. This is what the Willow series fandom feels like about Disney. If they want to stop hemorrhaging money, then stop killing series and instead work on not spending boatloads of money on reshoots! I know there's more to all that financial and rights stuff, but I needed to vent! I thought we were supposed to get more comics! I want to know what happened to Mayrin to make her distrustful of the Sifa when she married one! I want to know if her daughters realize they're half-clans, I want to see my favorite sapphic couple of Tavronica and how they met! I want to see Rian and Gurjin when they first joined the Guard, and let's not forget Kylan's origin story! Arguably one of the most important, tied with Naia, characters in the books! And yeah, Naia! I want her story too, and maybe if my theory that the book and show take place in some of the alternate paths that Aughra sees in her timeline visions, show Naia and Amri and the whole gang in the future when Thra is healed. There is so much story to tell and while it is fun to fill the gaps in with fan fiction, having concrete canon expansion would be amazing in a fandom where it's difficult to figure out what is canon and what is not! Sorry for the ramble, but I just really miss new content for this series and I wish Henson had plenty of money and full control of the show again. Well, I think I've said enough now. Glad to have you back doing videos DG.

@GilbertRamos-s6m

4 күн бұрын

@@jordanelza8806 hi dude how are you

I would be so disappointed if they tried to make a totally animated dark crystal. The dark crystal is about puppetry.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Very true!

I agree that something is better than nothing, but puppetry is so important to this world, that I don't know if animation would work. Especially CGI, which ages very poorly unless the money is put into it, and that point, they might as well stay with puppetry. I'd rather wait longer for more handcrafted Dark Crystal, than have a cheaper cartoon rushed out.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Well said!

To be honest, they really should stay at their original roots. Trying animated features is good, but that will be a No. They should not ruin the effort they put on and keep on their ways, for Jim’s memory.

I don’t really care how we get the story, I just a want to know what happens.

As long as it looks presentable, I’m okay with it.

I wouldn’t mind a hybrid take where it’s both puppets and animation 😅 I’m not against a animated show to be clear

I'd be open to animation, but it would have to be a very specific style that would suit the world of The Dark Crystal. If I had to give an example, the animation for Arcane would be PERFECT. I think an attempt at 2D animation would be cool too, in a style akin to Studio Ghibli or similar.

@jordanelza8806

22 күн бұрын

That sounds perfect. I’m totally open to an animation for Dark Crystal as long as it still “feels” like the Dark Crystal.

As long as it still feels like the same universe. I wouldn't like it if the characters would make exagerated movements and facial expressions. In other animated series that would work. But there's something about how the camera works and the characters move in TDC, that they should try to try to translate to animation, which is difficult. Idk, it's hard to explain.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Totally understand!

I'd be interested to see some animation/puppet hybrid. We're seeing that a lot with new Sesame Street and other Henson works. Plus Fraggle rock is getting a reboot and I think that along with the new FNAF movie might give the Creature Shop some recognition and funding.

Isn’t its appeal the fact that it’s puppetry?😅

@jordanelza8806

22 күн бұрын

Partially, but the writing and story quality are just as essential, if not more so. At this point, as long as it’s written well and still fit the Dark Crystal story, I don’t care how we get more Dark Crystal on screen.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Of course, i'm not arguing with that. I just wanted to what everyone would think:)

I think a mix could work

If continues as an animation film, the one studio I would like to create the series has to be Cartoon Saloon. They've done wonderful work with their Irish trilogy movies and I see it as the right type for recreating the Dark Crystal universe.

I think stop motion would be really cool. As it would still have that physical look but I would imagine slightly easier

@jordanelza8806

22 күн бұрын

Sounds about right. As long as it’s well written and still “feels” like the Dark Crystal, I am completely open to an animation show and/or movie. I mean, why not? (As long as they don’t lose their way while making it, like makers have in the past with other shows and movies.)

Im curious about 2d animation, and how it tackles the characters

If it will get us more DC, I'm 100 behind it

I’d love to see a video of you talking about all the skeksis forms of punishment (examples: peeper beetle, banishment, clothing removal, etc.). I’m sure there are many other forms of punishment the skeksis did that we would like to know about in detail.

@jordanelza8806

22 күн бұрын

I second that opinion. Great idea!

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Noted!

If they are unsure how to continue with AoR, I wish they could do more spin-off stories in the meantime. I don't mind whetever it's animation, book or comic. I just want something!

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Exactly!

It’s got to be the practical effects and puppetry for me. The time and effort it takes to do it that way is one of the reasons The Dark Crystal is so special. It’s a labour of love.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Very true!

I would take either practical puppets or 2D animation.. Both may be with CG elements. But full CGI? No.. It doesn't seems appropriate for The Dark Crystal lore.

When it comes to age of resistance season two, three, etc. I would rather them continue from their previous puppets and mixture cgi. BUT when it comes to everything else like a new movies or new shows, I would be fine with any animation AS LONG AS THE STORY IS GOOD. But if we’re being honest, I would be totally fine with cgi characters, but I would rather it be real realistic cgi, like Avatar 2, King Kong, pirates of the Caribbean, planet of the apes. Just me.

@alexpeterson1138

21 күн бұрын

@@travisfredrick72 I agree. Because cgi I feel like could easily replicate puppet movements if done right. Now would it look good i don’t know. But yeah as for season 2 that should definitely stay puppets. But I’m done for new stories going into new mediums

I don’t know. I can see both sides: On one hand, much of the Dark Crystal content we fans are all familiar with it in the puppetry. The puppetry is perhaps the number one thing that makes the movie and show so special. In the AOR teaser trailer, there was footage of Jim Hansen saying something like “it was the most work and it was the most challenging, but it’s perhaps the project that I am most proud of.” This is understandable, since the film took 3 to 5 years to make. That’s a long time, even back in the 1980s. But on the other hand, as precious as the puppetry is to us, it’s not everything. I remember the old Manga series called Legends of the Dark Crystal, and even though it was mostly just images, it still felt much like watching the movie because the characters were so well written and shown. This is saying something coming from someone who doesn’t usually enjoy reading. (Yes, I understand that the Manga is no longer canon, but that doesn’t change how great it is. I actually liked that version of SkekLach much better than the one on AOR.)

I guess that's the only way we'll get one (series) now. But I feel like it will lose what made it so majestic.

I prefer still live-action with the Creature-Shop Puppets.

Puppets would be nice, but there are limits to what you can do with them. if the animation style is good then i'm all for it

Puppets or nothing. I would like Age of Resistance on home video though.

innovation is the word. I think an animated cast of characters superimposed on actual set photography or incorporating 3d effects in matte paintings. for example the 3d illusions in sidewalk art. doing that kind of thing could preserve the spirit of creativity this franchise runs on, however I'm pretty skeptical that it would be less expensive. frankly I can see the difference the price makes in the original and that is really what we are talking about.

The Bad Batch, the third Star Wars animated show (3 seasons), upped the quality of said animation beyond Clone Wars and Rebels. It seems that the best 'Star Wars' is in the animated stuff, more than live action it seems of late. If the animisation of Thra and its inhabitants were of that quality, love and care, I would for sure accept it, arms wide open😊. It would break my heart if it were CGI based. Of course my first and most heartfelt would be 'Puppetry, Yahy'. For the people who say, 'puppets are so expressionless', they haven't copped the side eye from Brea❤

An animated show would be good, but I don't want it continuing where we left off. The sudden change will be weird to me, and likely to newer fans who aren't this deep into the niche. Maybe a selection of side stories containing the Satirist or the Mariner? That would be fun. However I wouldn't just want CGI. I think you can get Dark Crystal-y while also using a unique animation style, like the angular-ness of Clone Wars.

If it were to be animated, I would hope it would be done in a non-conventional style, like the "Richard III" or "Hamlet" episodes of _Shakespeare: The Animated Tales_ . They'd really capture the essence of Froud's original paintings.

It's unfortunate that Netflix cancelled the show. It was actually one of the reasons we cancelled our subscription. There's hardly anything to watch on Netflix now that isn't just regurgitated garbage so that subscription will stay cancelled until they actually produce quality content and/or lower their price. What they have isn't worth the money to me.

@jordanelza8806

22 күн бұрын

I couldn’t have said it better myself. I almost got my own Netflix subscription when AOR came out. But when I heard they were canceling it, I decided against it. Even now after 5 years, I am still furious that they cancelled such a masterpiece of a show. I have a few small complaints about the show as a whole, but they’re all relatively excusable, especially compared to it being cancelled so soon.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Preach.

I'm not too sure on animated dark crystal. I don't like the animation on the star wars stuff either. The puppets gave you an 80s vibe. It was great. Wouldn't be the same if it's animated

I think a Dark Crystal stop motion animation might work. With that style you could still retain that practical effects feeling that DC fans love so much. But as long as the story's good I think fans would love regardless.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

That would definitely be cool!

I would like to see The Dark Crystal 🔮 in Star Wars: The Clone Wars/Rebels style animation i think it could work.

If the animation or CGI was made to look like Puppets or perhaps stop motion style kinda like Puss in boots last wish. I'd welcome at least a Demo of it, we can try different styles of animation until we find the one that fits. then go from there.

as long as it respects the original style

If yhey were to finish the series on animation I much rather see it done in a single movie to keep the style intact. But Im open to a new animated series. I love the Clone Wars series for the most part and I do belive it could give the franchise a chance.😀

If we were talking about a new story, new characters, and a new take on the world I'd be down for an animated series. That said, I wouldn't want to see the continuation of 'Age of Resistance' animated. I would want a sequel to that amazing work of art to be created using the same tools and talents as the first one as much as possible.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Agreed. I think it would work best for spin off series.

If CGI, absolutely not. It also depends on the story being told. I think if we're talking about a direct sequel to AoR, no, it should be puppetry. If we're talking something like "Creation Myths", I wouldn't mind seeing that done in a kind of Rankin/Bass animation style similar to "The Hobbit" or "The Flight of Dragons". If we're talking about a prequel focusing on the UrSkeks, I think stop-motion animation would be ideal. It really depends on the story and the approach. Certain genres, certain tonal qualities, certain aesthetics complement each other better.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Definitely agree! Good to see you again, my friend!

I’d be fine with it.

Because, rn, we have nothing!... Yep... Beggars can't be choosers. (Which is how that is actually worded) We live in the Future. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Change is the Only Constant 💯 Be open to the changes that initially startle your sensibilities. It's scary, but you'll be fine 😁😎

I would love more Dark Crystal, but I do feel like the appeal of the show & movie is the Puppets. Changing that to animation even hand drawn animation would feel as though it's lessening the experience, the core essence of the world that Jim Henson built.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Can't argue with that, but i still think it would be cool to see spin off stories in different mediums. Animations, comics, more books, even anime would be cool!

Sure! im quite intruiged if is the case! Even the TheJimhenson Company have neat animation stuff, eben the muppets get some of it! Also it could be quite of a upgrade beyond the kids animated shows they had...Besides whe need to know!!! the Prophecy must be singed!!! Skeksis Eternals!!! But of course all depends if the study can and what the fans whant too...Im trully whant some news...

Would it be better than nothing? For sure. Would it be the same, feel the same? Absolutely not. My biggest gripe is that most puppets and sets are already built (hope it didn’t get destroyed or disassembled😅) and are now placed somewhere in storage or whatnot. I know that practical effects are expensive, but considering a lot of previous work is already done, I think a new season wouldn’t break the bank to much. At least if they were really planning on doing season two instead of a completely new dark crystal project

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Very true!

I don't see why anyone would be against the idea of _any_ animated content when the series already _has_ expanded into other mediums like comics and video games. Of course we all want to see the puppets, but it'd be great to see some kind of animated special in the meantime. The use of cgi in AoR shows us that it can blend in with physical props, so maybe we could see more of a 50/50 mix in the future. Honestly, whatever medium allows this series to stay alive is our best option.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Good points!

No. Gimme the puppets. You wouldn't do computer animate muppets, right? RIGHT?! 😨😨

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

Totally understand that viewpoint. But maybe a spin off show could be cool. Nothing wrong with exploring different mediums. A lot of fantasy properties do that!

I would love to see animated dark crystal projects, but I do not think the next installment continuing age of resistance should be animated

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

That seems to be the consensus.

In answer to your question, I'd be in favor of using Avatar photorealistic animation to bring the mystics and skeksis to life. Then we get the best of both worlds. They would look like the puppets, but be fluid in their motions.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

That's a cool idea!

I felt the cgi gelfling felt like an extra to frozen. But... I'll take cg over nothing, I guess. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

No please bring back the show as it was and finish the series as intended Or at least bring backthe books

CGI wouldn't have kept the show from getting canceled. Netflix cancels good shows all the time, no matter cheap they are to produce. Age of Resistance was just too niche and not advertised well enough to succeed; so pointing to the puppetry as being to blame for the show's failure is missing the forest for the trees.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

No, i wasn't saying the puppetry was to blame, i was just suggesting that moving forward it would be a less expensive alternative if they were to consider it.

I think this show has biblical appeal to realism. if it were animated it might not have to. which is to say I am more open to a separate Dark crystal story a deep history?, a projection into thras distant future with a mixture of magic and technology out of Namcos Tales RPG series. the point is, age of resistance and the "high mass" of the franchise is pretty brutal and dark. in season two the skeksis achive total puppet devastation. saving the puppets for that is fine but the timeline is out there. because they don't want to release a new one until the people who saw the original have children old enough to watch it. merciless ehh.. well... germans... you know. still their take on a fantasy eco system needs more content. the gelfling world has to have more to it than imminent destruction. their is such a long timeline you could show the gelfling doing missions for the skeksi hunting with the hunter helping ohgra and the scientist do expeiriments, etc etc. just saying if it were animated I would not stick to the AOR timeline. furthermore I would use clay sets and backlit 2D elements to make it look different. the characters could be some sort of pixar star wars style CGI like the ones pictured here. but again the important thing is to work differently put CG vines growing up a clay tree. etc. the question is is that too expensive as well? does it all have to be CG?

Yes

As an ex star wars fan I can tell you sometimes nothing is better than something.

@gracekim25

24 күн бұрын

That’s not really true at all 😅

Oh! 😳😟😒🤔👂🏻

Its about time we do move forward. Animation would be the next logical step to me.

NO no no no no no no.

@DreamfastwithMe

10 күн бұрын

So i'm guessing you mean no? XD

@stevengardner3192

10 күн бұрын

@@DreamfastwithMe Right.

Animated? That’s a hard NO.

The limits are your imagination, and the nature of the hardware and software. The best animation engine in the world is of zero use, if the learning curve and UI is so steep that it takes a year to produce ten minutes.

no, just no

Clone Wars was good. Rebels was a MAJOR step down both in animation and story. Rebels should have followed the adventures of Han, Luke, and Leia, or maybe even recreated The Force Unleashed video game. But instead, we got a bunch of nobodies and a cranky droid that a lot of people, including me, didn't care about.

@gracekim25

24 күн бұрын

Hard disagree there. Both shows are great❤ also please speak for yourself not for others 🤦‍♀️

@Sir_Persevere

24 күн бұрын

@@gracekim25 I said a lot of people. I didn't say everyone. So you're a Who-Are-Those-Rebels fan. Congratulations.

@Sir_Persevere

24 күн бұрын

@@gracekim25 Like what you like. I will not stop you.

Another movie add a movie like dark Crystal animation dragon nest