This is why I like draping, you don't know what's going to look great unless its next to your skin.

Aye yi yi. Feel like we went in a circle. Artists/painters referred to the excess blue and excess yellow characteristics as cool and warm --> modern-ish makeup and seasonal color analysis took the terms cool and warm and complicated it ----> to now having to reject cool and warm and go back to saying excess blue and excess yellow....Lol. I will say that when I used to do makeup, overtone and undertone were mostly just a well-meaning way to explain olives. It's hard to apply it with people with only a neutral(red) to slight cool leans being a warm seasons. Did an internet search and you can't find "overtone" before ~2005 and in that source overtone was to explain tan/rosacea. Before and around that year most results on 'overtone' were about the musical concept or pearl finishes!

@r0zinha

3 ай бұрын

i think the studies are always evolving, and the better understanding of the terminology is always evolving either. i agree that it can be confusing, but to me it's crystal clear: overtone is how you perceive the skin, undertone is what's under it, so it can either be cool, neutral cool, warm or neutral warm. and that is a big part on what season you're in, cause it takes comparison of colors to actually see what's going on. i have olive skin, i'm a warm overtone [very warm, i was confused with a soft autumn], and a neutral cool undertone, wich makes me olive and a soft summer [cause all my complexion is softer, inspite my skin gettin really tan in the summer, so i can hold a slightly higher contrast].

@janekof

3 ай бұрын

@@r0zinha Not a fan of it. It only works semi-well with olives. Good for them, but not for everyone else. By what you describe, artists and most people would just call "overtone"....the color lol. Adding extra terminology that doesn't work for everyone is not the best imo. I'd personally prefer a color system with more overarching utility in makeup, physical art, fashion, lighting etc bc that tends to be more inclusive. Would rather stick with overtone to meaning tan/rosacea or not use it at all. 🤷🏾‍♀

@r0zinha

3 ай бұрын

@@janekof i get what you mean, but but studying color theory you'll get what i mean. it's not always black and white, everyone perceives color differently, and the over and undertone tend to be confusing just because they mix, and when they do, either more warm or more cool are going to show up, specially with olive skin. me being olive, with warm overtone and neutral cool undertone means i'm better wearing cool colors, but because i'm warm overtone i can also wear some warm colors to some extent. and that's when color theory comes in. knowing how to look at your personal colors considering temperature, intensity and deepness, also contrast, that's what makes sense, not just colors.

@user-qp6lj6gu7s

3 ай бұрын

@@r0zinha I don't think janekof presented anything at all resembling black and white thinking, but rathe she took the time to examine the effectiveness of a concept from multiple angles, and if it holds up when tested against more unusual examples - this is as grey/colourful thinking as it gets. A good system is precise enough to give useful and also easily used information, and at the same time not creating issues for outliers. This is why it's the most effective to test systems against the unusual situations, not the majority, to see if they hold up and are actually true. To simply come to a conclusion about if something is good or not after careful consideration is not black and white thinking.

@r0zinha

3 ай бұрын

@@user-qp6lj6gu7s i agree with you, i meant that everything has to be explained in a way everybody understands, and sometimes they simplify too much it becomes detached from the actual concept. i don't see someone that doesn't have overtone and undertone. i don't know what other name it could have. the color analysis is for the skin in make up, clothes, accessories and hair, if people want a more inclusive thing, they have to study the color theory applied to each area, because it's all different. btw it works differently when applied to hair - we want a color of hair, but the colorist knows what to do and how to work the hair to get that color, the way they do it is different than the way color analysis is done.

Agreee. You’re just using the tonal system, which is FAR more accurate than the 12 or 16 color seasons system. Most people aren’t familiar with it.

I have a very gray-ish skin tone, so because of that I always thought that grey colours are my best colours (soft seasons), but trying different types of saturation I discovered that for the assimilation effect that you mentioned, my skin looks even worst, like if I were d3ad! So I definitely need some contrast to look more alive, and I believe that is very curious because I dont have a "clear and bright" skin like Emma Stone or other people in the Spring Season...

Looking forward to the rest of this series! I love your thoughtful analyses

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked the video! ❤️

You are one of the best in beauty. I jump to your videos because I always learn something no matter how big or small. I’ve been binge watching Merriam Style and what I’ve concluded as a neutral olive is everything matters. 1) Fibonacci sequence - everything in balance. What is necessary to highlight your features. Some people look really washed out in warm tones even if they are warm. Some people look really boring in high contrast even though they are high contrast. Might mean a small pattern or layering colors. 2) Most important/critical for olives (might just be me though): what time of the year is it? I think summer/autumn the sun brings out the warmth or yellow in my skin giving me a very green brown bronze darkness but when the tan fades by end of winter spring I’m only left with the blue and a little yellow so I look more grey or green. So I have a variety of colors and don’t fit neatly anywhere. For reference: my hair is a cooler or ashier darkest brown/ lightest black as our my brows. My lips are pale or on the pinky side but my eyes are warm chestnut. Side note - does the color of your gums or your nipples offer any indication of skin tone 😅

@ekaterinal8631

3 ай бұрын

Haha that would be so cool if they did! It would be so much easier to find your color family, in theory of course Merriam Style is awesome! Jenn and her both have such an eye for things

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

I agree that season/sun/tan is definitely a factor to consider for olives! It would be very interesting if using gum or nipple colors actually works 😂

I think using the terms overtone and undertone is actually better and less confusing because all brands label yellow skin = warm undertone and pink skin = cool undertone. Which is completely wrong. If this were true almost all Asian people would be warm undertoned and almost all North European people would be cool undertoned. It's wrong because yellow and pink skintones varies from each other and you can actually tell if someone is warm or cool leaning in real life. For example I have very yellow overtone but my undertone is cool (blue) which makes me olive. Yellow foundations look orange on me because people assume yellow skintone is always warm. My cousin is also really cool undertoned but her overtone is really pink so she has less frustration with foundations. If we look at, for example Angelica Nyqvist she is yellow with warm golden undertone. Hannah Louise Poston on the other hand is cool muted olive. Telling this from celebrity pictures is actually harder because they have their makeup professionally done and all those pictures are misleading. Same for brand promo pictures. But from the influencers or beauty gurus I folllow on KZread, most of the times I can easily tell their undertone or overtone since I also know how makeup actually looks on them and what makeup colors they lean to.

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

I disagree about the brands’ labeling conventions! By that logic all Asian people would be picking foundations in warm shades. I have the same experience where people usually assume I have a very warm skin tone based on the overtone, but the concealer/foundation products that I use are always neutral / neutral olive. So my skin tone is actually cooler than it appears to the eye because of my undertone, which is also reflected in my product choices!

I’m an olive and I’ve been struggling to place myself in the system even though I work in the costume department, my bestie is HMU and I’m dressing intuitively so basically I know my shit, but you and your way of explaining it is mindblowing and opening a new understanding for me, thank you for that! and keep on:)

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Aw thank you for this! 🥰

This is a topic I've always felt miffed about, because terms like undertone and overtone make practical sense if you're a painter, especially for portraits/flesh tones. But for makeup and personal style, it gives this impression that there's a literal layer of pure green underneath a literal layer of pure beige/brown and that gives olive skin? 🙃 Which isn't how skin pigment works, it's how the visual *effect* is recreated in painting. This was a great video, Jenn, I had a great time looking up the assimilation effect. Super interesting!

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

💯! The term undertone has always made me felt like there was another layer of skin underneath my... skin lol. I'm glad you liked the video!

I love your explanations. Many of your videos have caused me to think along the lines of: “oh that’s the reason I like [blank] on me.”

Hey Jenn, thanks for talking about olive skin tones! I made a similar experience. Can you believe it, a few years ago I wanted to get matched to a foundation at the Clinique counter and the sales person went almost crazy, because as a blonde caucasian woman, I could not get matched to a single foundation shade, not even close!! They were all too red! Completely desperate, the girl had to admit that there is no shade that matched my skin!! Later I found out that I was olive and this is why I always have had so much trouble finding a shade match... 😍

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

I’m glad you can relate!! I still haven’t found a perfect match for my skin and I just use color correctors to make things work 😆

I'm so excited for those season videos! I like your idea how to group them.

As I don't know my palette and I don't have the money to do a personal color test, I go with my main color palette, in this case, the intense one, I use a mix of Bright Winter and Bright Spring!

I'm looking forward for the rest of these series of videos!!! you're the best

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

More to come! ❤️

you look so beautiful today ❤ great video as usual ❤

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!! Glad you enjoyed the vid ❤️

I agree with you on the confusing nature over using undertone and overtone.

Organising the seasons by main consideration in GENIUS 🙌🏼 Practical AF!

You are so right. I'm a natural blue-eyed, coppery redhead, currently silvering up, over all giving blond, and I look quite golden next to my apple-blossom skinned daughter, but quite pink next to my South Asian friends. I think I was an unambiguous Autumn when my hair was auburn, but people say your skin tone doesn't change. If that's true, I would move myself into the Soft Autumn category, which of course is pretty close to Soft Summer. This all just confounded me, since the "temperature" of Summer and Autumn is theoretically different. Now, I'd say that Clarity is the most important element in color for me - MUTED colors are best for me, but there are still Too Cool and Too Warm shades, too. The biggest difference at my current age is that I'm low contrast now. Always had medium-value skin and eyes, and now I have medium value hair, too. I've been obsessed with this topic for years, and the more I learn, the less I know! lol But I've landed on colors that work for me, and in the end, that's all that matters. Appreciate your analysis. Very down to earth! Cheers!

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked the video! ❤️

@TheBaumcm

2 ай бұрын

Same. I am higher contrast but with cool leaning olive and some degree of softness. Because my skin is a mix, colors that are deeper (but not jet black) and lighter(but not white), that have some softness (gray or brown for me) can be either cool or warm and have the same effect. However, which colors look best depends on whether I have more golden, deeper skin coloring (tan) because it changes the mix of warm and cool as well as contrast. I have instead focused on finding the colors that give me the greatest effect while communicating what I want.

As a person who is a Deep/soft winter, thank you thank you thank you for validating some of my experiences on this subject!

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful for you! 🥰❤️

I just wanted to saw you look glowing in this video! I love how you styled yourself today

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Aw thank you so much! ❤❤❤

Your new hairstyle looks great!!❤

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!! ❤️

Lovely content, as always! ❤

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Thank you - glad you liked it! ❤️🥰

Looking forward for the next video of this series!! Thank you for the content 💜

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏❤️

Great video, please continue making videos about temperature. I don't think I fall into deep winter perfectly but I also feel like true winter might not be right as I don't see "cool" as my first characteristic. So basically I am confused and your videos are showing a deeper analysis of temperature among seasons.

@TheBaumcm

2 ай бұрын

You might want to check out soft winter, the newer category. I have been typed both as dark autumn and deep winter. My primary is deep (higher contrast) but I am not as high contrast as other winters (medium olive skin tone ). I tend towards the more grayed out “soft” tones in my palette as straight black or white (although black is much better) are far too harsh. Soft winter seems to strike that balance a bit better for me. Overall though, since I’m only slightly soft and only slightly cool, I generally tend towards the 2 of 3. Deep and soft are my two primary. So it is much easier for me to see with medium toned colors. If it is cool though, I can get away with slightly brighter.

I am so ready for this. Its the first time that i have hope to figure out what is going in with my color season and stop annoying everyone for a year straight

Thank you for all the effort you put into your explanations. It truly is incredible. Just...thank you~

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

I am a very in the middle type. I need medium softness with some tolerance, I have fair olive skin with an obvious lack of red which makes me not really sensitive to temperature at all, the red purple orange range is my best range because it brings out the lacking redness, but it doesn’t really matter if it’s a warmer shade of rose or a pinkier, what’s more important is that the colour remains a little muted and has quite a good amount of depth to it, I need colours to be quite saturated. It also doesn’t matter if they are dark or light as long as the beige or offwhite is a muddier form of light dirty brown. I found the 16 seasons confusing as an olive girly because I can pull from a lot of different palettes and my best colours are distributed in the areas where colours border between warmth and coolness - petrol, purple dusty rose. I think my main colours lie in soft autumn and in winter when I am pale deep autumn and winter. But I easily draw from summer without problems, especially the dusty purple blues look amazing on me

As an olive person I wear mostly colors that offset the yellowness in my skin. I look best in white, blue, mint. As for makeup I’ve noticed that I prefer to wear bronzey shades in winter, and in summer I stay away from them 😅 I’d say being an olive I don’t follow any color seasoning. I just need to balance my yellow/blue ratio and make sure I’m not looking too green, yellow or grey. So I really agree with everything you said in the video!

As an artist I'll just put my two cents worth in to say that you actually can't mix every colour with paint with only 3 primaries and black and white. You need two yellows, a cool and a warm, etc two blues and two reds. If you try to make a clear purple with the wrong blue and the wrong red, it will be very muddy. You would use the yellow that leans toward green to make lime green eith the green leaning blue. To make orange you would use the warm red and orange. And of course to make more complex colours, a mixture of many other different pigments.

@janekof

3 ай бұрын

This is true! But I think it's a usable method for painting or anything with pigments (makeup, skin). The CMYK system is a bit better but it doesn't dothe best job with orange and green (arguably the most important colors for skintones). The better printers have CMYKOG bc of this. The truth is that there is no 3 primary colors (that we can see) and only theoretical imaginary primaries. Sarah Renae Clark is an art-tuber with awesome video on it! It was really good.

@pajamamama5965

3 ай бұрын

100%. My husband is a Professional oil painter for 20 years. His palette always has a warm and cool of each primary plus white and burnt umber to lighten or darken.

Loved this video Jenn! I look forward to learning more because I’m still trying to figure out what season I am. All I know so far is that I feel better in crisp cool shades like bright white, baby blue and navy but my ideal foundation is on the yellow /warm side. Could I be a freak of colour theory? LOL Thank you for this journey!!! ❤

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked the video Linda! By your description I think you would fall into one of the cool seasons?? 🥰

100% agree. Skin is a pigment, a colour. I am so tired of hearing about an invisible undertone that you can only see by having a professional drape you. It’s not under the skin. It’s colour plain and simple. The reason some warm seasons like Nicole Kidman has cool skin is because we can have a triad of complementary colours that harmonise in us. She has blue eyes, pink skin and orange/golden hair. Vivid winters can have peach skin, black hair and green eyes. It’s the complete combination of both warm and cool colours. These days I have gone back to the considered redundant colour me beautiful as they determine your season by your hair primarily. It’s not 100% accurate all of the time but it’s a hell of a lot better than these over complicated mystical analysis’s

Great video!

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! ❤️

when i was younger i wanted to wear more deep tones ..and my favorite color back then was anything night sky - ish...dark blue, purple, dark magenta etc..by watching ur videos i try to check myself which season ill be... i'm olive skin on the warmer side, easily tan in the sun...anything orange, beige, warm greens, warm browns and pastels make me look wash out, although i can wear bright yellow and mustard yellow..i find that if i wear like neon colors i looks so orange.. i think im more connected to deep winter and u are right about that i can also wear deep colors from deep autumn as long as is not that warm...is it weird to say that the moment i wear an off color for me i dont feel my best? I feel more confident wearing my darkest shades and makes my skin look healthy...thanks for ur videos' im trying to find out more about this color analysis

as someone who has been struggling about being a true season or not for like…years, i just can’t wait to watch the next video 🎉

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

🙌

Finally someone who talks about these things in understandable way, because sometimes I have felt like I'm going crazy trying to figure out if I have more warm or cool undertone! Thank you!🙌🏻 Your videos are very educational and have helped clarify soooo many things related to appearance and looks! 🙏🏻🧡✨

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Aw thank you for this! Happy you’re finding my content helpful ❤️❤️❤️

I wear usually ivory shades(fair-light) in foundations and until i did the colour analysis i didn't know this off-white colour is actually in the warm spectrum😅.

Hi thank you for your work ❤ could you please tell me what season is Linda Evangelista? She is my beauty icon but I can’t figure out her season because she can wear just about anything . Thank you

Hey Jenn! This may be off topic, but do you think there’s a correlation between facial structure and how bad/good a woman looks with oily greasy hair? I wonder if it has anything to do with the kibbe body types. As a soft gamine (I think) I noticed I look terrible when my roots are oily. And that’s why I don’t think I look good with those slicked back “wet” hair styles whereas they are very flattering on other women? I used greasy hair as an example but I guess it now applies to the wet slicked back look. I’m wondering if it relates to that video you made about how high your forehead in relation to the peak of your head looks?

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Yes I do think it can relate to facial structure and proportions! I’ll add it to my topics list - thanks for the suggestion ❤️

@ekaterinal8631

3 ай бұрын

@@stylemejenn haha that list must be a mile long at this point from all the things we want to hear about XD but yay for never ending content!

@user-qp6lj6gu7s

3 ай бұрын

This is such an interesting observation! I'm SD and greasy roots are instantly noticeable and drag me down a lot, but slick back or wet look doesn't necessarily if I can combine it with volume somewhere (like a large bun or fluffy ponytail), but I have to be super careful about not doing it when I'm the slightest bit puffy as that gets obvious in contrast to the sleekness. This makes me think that maybe it's our extra softness in flesh on top of our bone structure that determines it, as that's the characteristic we share?

@ekaterinal8631

3 ай бұрын

@@user-qp6lj6gu7sthat make sense! And yes added volume ALWAYS helps Perhaps it’s the softness

Hype! 🎉

After watching a few videos on olive skin tone and not understanding, I have decided to test fifty photos of persons considered olive toned. The result; 85% of those people had an excess of yellow in their skin compared to the majority, around 60% yellow, 30% magenta and 10% blue. Only 15% of the olive tones people had actually a higher percentage of blue than normal. In painting , when you had black to yellow, you obtain a mossy, olivy green. Anyway, I don't understand how it is possible to divide skintone in 2 (warm or cool) when it is composed of 3 colors ( magenta, yellow and blue)

Hello I have a question about scarf 's colour ( hijab) regarding color analysis?

Maybe the reason so many olives look good in muted colours is because it's common for an olive green to be made of 3 equal parts soft/cool/warm (grey/blue/yellow). Which is inherently muted, not a clear / true colour? 🤔 IMO olives go wrong if they have black hair and think, because black is a bright winter colour, that they should treat a strong yellow in their skin as if it's therefore a bright winter yellow. Like: they alter their default skintone, get a really golden tan, and then try to wear a bright winter colour against that bright yellow... and end up looking like they have jaundice. 😬 (Pale spring colours would harmonize better w/ a golden tan!) I've noticed when you have a mixed skin tone, you have to make sure the colours you wear are bringing out the right part of that mix. Example: sunburned skin looks bad next to a bright red or pink bikini (winter or spring), because it's emphasizing the worst part of the skin mix (the pink). But you put a khaki green bikini on that same sunburned skin... suddenly the pink vanishes and it looks like a nice tan (because it's bringing out the 'right' part of the skin's colour mix -- the brown, which is an autumn colour).

@YumeraChauque

3 ай бұрын

Mmm interesting!!

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

I’ve been thinking along a similar path, but in relation to the ratio of red/blue/yellow, since mixing more colors make the end color muddier! So olives that can wear brighter colors have a lower mix of red tones in their skin tone making the skin more of a “clearer” olive if you will, and those with a higher ratio of red tones showing through has a more muted, soft olive skin tone, hence their ability to wear softer colors better! I definitely feel the colors I can wear can vary between seasons and depending on how golden my skin tone becomes 🫒

@myoldyoutubechannel

3 ай бұрын

Right, exactly! Like if they're a clearer green (because not so much red, greying it out since red/green are opposite on colour wheel), they can wear clearer colours.

@farfromfloral

3 ай бұрын

​​@@stylemejenn​I love this, because I am a very pale olive who is nonetheless quite bright! (nothing makes me look more dead than anything that veers even slightly grey, and red lipstick is one of the things I can always count on to make me look reliably awake, present, and lively-it's like my dark circles completely disappear and my features just snap into place). I also notice that when I get my makeup done, artists will reach for very yellow or very blue shades of foundation right away-I usually have to warn them 😅. but recently I've noticed a lot of the people I look to for olive inspo have been emphasizing the difficulty of wearing red for them, or the need for mutededness in their makeup and clothing, and I was puzzling through it because it seems so contrary to my own experience​. I never connected it to an absence of red in my skin that would otherwise be canceling out the green, but that makes total sense!

@TheBaumcm

2 ай бұрын

@@myoldyoutubechannelwouldn’t that brown it out, rather than gray?

What if neutrals are your hardest colours to find? I feel like I can only wear colour.. I pretty much live in pinks, light blues, aqua, yellows, lilacs… but browns, greys and Navy are really bad. Brings out all my redness. I think cream works okay… but Navy etc. make me look corpse like

@RachaelTheRed

3 ай бұрын

The colors you mentioned you look best in all sound light and bright but all the neutrals you listed seem to be cool and dark. Cream is light and warm. You may be going for neutrals that are too dark/cool/heavy. You could try lighter neutrals in the white and tan family, but if bright colors all work better it might be that light pink or light blue works as more of a neutral for you.

@sigridj9459

3 ай бұрын

@@RachaelTheRed thank you for commenting x yeah, I haven’t really given tan or camel a proper go… but you’re right, maybe just accepting light pinks and blues are just my own version of a neutral. They suit me and are readily available, which is what matters most

Can someone be a neutral/olive? My skin color is complicated. For me, the brightness is important in a color. I also can't wear the color tan that leans warm, I can't wear warm browns or anything warm and muted.

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

There are neutral olives for sure!

lol I just dyed my hair that red with a bit of violet (.62) and now my skin looks orange 😅 oopsies gotta watch some videos and discover how to improve on that (if the problem is the red, the violet, if it's too dark or too bright saturation)

I mean this in the kindest way, but this is the first video of yours that was hard to follow. I understand the topic of undertone in itself is difficult (& that was your main point as to why you won’t incorporate it in your videos) but going into why it is for half of the video made everything more convoluted. Not only the topic, but you as a speaker & your thoughts on undertone within color analysis as well. I am a huge fan of yours so I say this gently. I only understood your perspective at the very end when you said that it’s more important to evaluate 1.) what your dominant characteristics is & 2.) how colors play off your skin color. It might benefit your message to start & spend the majority of time proving why your methods are correct VS explaining multiple other trains of thought with examples and interweaving your opinions on them in and out. I might be the only one who thinks this way, but I wanted to suggest constructive feedback as a long time fan of yours. Wishing the best as a fellow Olive!!!

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind feedback ❤️

This! I always fall somewhere in between soft summer and soft autumn. However, because I have an olive undertone, I look absolutely hideous in pastel and warm colours, and I look my best in deep, rich and cool hues.

@Ladynipchick2

3 ай бұрын

Wouldn't that make you deep autumn 🤔 You don't sound soft to me, although I know some people class all autumn's as soft.

@ostatnifajek128

3 ай бұрын

Hmm, I'm really not sure myself, the whole colour palette thing is still a bit hazy to me 😅 I have green eyes and ashy brown hair (a typical Slav), so all quizzes automatically assess me as soft-something. But because I also have an ashy-greeny-yellowy face, I don't look good in pastels and anything warm (like deep autumn). TBF I just wear colours that I like: navy, sapphire, deep greens, burgundy, plum, black... Edit: Also, I wear only silver jewellery, gold (any shade) makes my skin look too yellow.

@Ladynipchick2

3 ай бұрын

@@ostatnifajek128 Oh, that does sound cool! 😃

In the photo with the bald cap, is by any chance the textured ceiling the "popcorn" type that may contain asbestos - plz be careful.

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

It was latex, which I’m not allergic to! ☺️

What if you have excess RED instead of blue or yellow? This is me... and I feel like I can play into either warm or cool elements

For me personally, undertone/overtone is very confusing and difficult to determine. I think it is more clear to go back to basics and just talk about hue(color/warm vs cool), chroma(saturation/bright vs muted), and value(light to dark) for skin tone, and then for color seasons you can add in the 4th dimension of high/low contrasted features.

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

This! 👆

Julianne Moore is not olive. Believe it or not, shes cool and bright regardless of any red hair.😊❤

I'm not a MUA, just an amateur analyst, and I think our concept of undertones should be separated from the makeup aspect of undertones. I'm a cool olive, like you, though my olive is more blatant an overtone, and I notice in my foundation hunt that "warm" in makeup means "higher yellow-to-RED ratio", while for color analysis, as you said, the cool base is BLUE. As for the aspect-centric season, I think that's a great idea. An even better idea would be to follow it up by a tie-breaking series of non-dominant characteristics: i.e "Am I a Soft Summer or Deep Winter?"

@janekof

3 ай бұрын

I think this is only half-true. When I did makeup, fairer skintone shades had good matching. Red can be cool or warm too. In fair skin, it usually translates as pink=cool and peachy=warm. There was a time when the shade ranges expanded to the deeper shades where EVERYTHING was whack and too red/orange. They were using the subtractive mixing (ie the more red, more blue, and more yellow added= the closer the color gets to black), but for some reason skimping on the blue pigments either for cost or scared to make the shade too cool and then too "ashy". The better brands have fixed the issue, tho. The not-better brands haven't. Fenty has a good range of warm shades that aren't too red and can be olive-y. Can't speak to the cool shades tho.

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@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

Have a good weekend Leticia! 💕

You should always match the foundation with your skin tone (aka 'overtone'), not undertone. Only when it comes to Color Analysis, the colors should match your 'undertone'. Maybe that's why it could be tricky for some people, especially when foundations are labelled as cool, warm or neutral, but they DON'T mean the same thing as in color analysis!

@DD-py5hw

3 ай бұрын

I don’t necessarily agree for myself. I am definitely a warm undertone and if I wear a foundation labeled neutral or cool undertone, I look ill or greyish.

@gorosemonde

3 ай бұрын

You should absolutely not. You should use correctors and your correct undertone. I do hope nobody reads this and think this is it.

@stylemejenn

3 ай бұрын

I disagree with this. If I choose a foundation shade only based on my overtone it would have to be a very warm shade, but in reality a warm shade is too warm for my skin. If I can’t find the right shade of olive I find a neutral shade to be a better match than warm, but when people look at me they assume that I have a warm skin tone because of the warmth in my overtone 🙃

@kreator1474

3 ай бұрын

@@gorosemonde The two ladies from Colour Analysis Studio always said this 'tip' about foundations. Also Sarah Ryan The Style Coach has a video dedicated to this topic if you're interested.

I thought the undertone is NOT relevant to your foundation shade because what matters is your overtone - the shade that is visible to the naked eye - at least that's what I learned on KZread, LOL. I think there's a divide between color analysts that say undertone is the ONLY thing that matters when it comes to finding the right season vs. color analysts that factor in the other aspects, such as the level of lightness or darkness someone has in their features. I think for regular people the easiest way to place themselves on the color wheel would be a reverse route: think about which colors really suit you (as in, people have complimented you when you were wearing them) and then look at which season they belong to. Then there is a good chance other colors from that season are suitable as well. Anyway, the more I hear about color analysis, the less I think it actually helps people, sadly.

@amandacoelho9524

3 ай бұрын

This is getting so complicated over time that it seems impossible to know for sure what it is

@T_Cup

3 ай бұрын

Not sure that would work because a lot of people get compliments when they wear colours that stand out on them, as opposed to colours that help them stand out. For example, I know so many women who get compliments about red lipstick when the red clearly isn't in their season because the colour pops on them, they don't pop in the colour

@YumeraChauque

3 ай бұрын

​@@T_Cupyou are soo right!! I have a medium chroma type skin and when I wear true red people complement the color not me. One of the bigest mistake is focusing on the color and not in the person wearing it.

@T_Cup

3 ай бұрын

@@YumeraChauque This is me in any spring shade as a neutral-toned soft autumn. Because I'm muted, bright colours stand out on me, and so people notice those right away

@lja530

3 ай бұрын

@@T_Cup That's a very good point and I think a lot of times people will also just respond to a colour they personally like. However, I have had people compliment me in a shade that wasn't particularly bright, I think that points to the fact that it just suited me. Similarly, when I wear cool pastel tones I've always thought I looked washed out and I assume it's because they're just not in my season. Overall I think most people just don't need colour analysis because most of them know which colours don't look great on them and they can just avoid them if they want. I also think there's a lot of colours that just look fine on people, not particularly good or bad. And even if something makes you look pale you can always opt for a little more makeup and then pull it off anyway. In my day to day life this colour analysis thing has just felt a bit restrictive. But I understand that there's people that feel that's it's helped them a lot.

I understand why you don’t want to use undertone because you don’t understand it? Nobody will believe Emma stone has a cool undertone if they know even 2 lines of what color analysis is. I really like your stylist expertise, but this is not it and I’m over stylists thinking color analysis is not a whole other expertise.

@rockssolid2543

3 ай бұрын

There are definitely color analysts that see Emma as cool, lol. But all that really matters is how she sees herself. Emma is perfectly qualified to decide that she looks great in her fuchsia lip.