AA saved my life, and Jesus saved my soul.

@christinme8375

3 жыл бұрын

Love ❤️ this !Amen

@DavidJohnson-zj2hf

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus saved my soul and AA saved my life !!!

@edhernandez894

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus saved my soul but AA saved my ass!

@kennywood5056

Жыл бұрын

One's life and one's soul cannot be separated. Your soul is the seat of your consciousness, will, desires, and emotions. Life is the experience of the soul having residence in the physical body. Jesus is the Savior and Deliverer of the entire person and their experience and expression. One day those who have placed their trust in Christ will be bodily resurrected just as Christ was. Our lives and our souls inextricably joined. Jesus does not save one while neglecting the other. AA is a works-based tradition of man that has it's roots in the occult. Bill Wilson received much of what became the program of AA through occult practices. Do the research. The information is published. Place all your hope in Christ alone and look to the Bible for instruction in righteousness and the Holy Spirit for empowering grace. All glory to our Father in heaven.

@joneyedoc

Жыл бұрын

Everyone works out their own salvation with fear and trembling. - Paul of Tarsus.

8 months sober. Started in AA and it lead me back to Christ. 👍

@tanyacat5089

4 жыл бұрын

Zack West do you still go to AA?This is Tanya who asked the question to John Piper🙂

@zackwestrules

4 жыл бұрын

Tanya Cat yes, people are looking for God there and need a lot of help. What a better place to lead people to Christ than sharing my recovery and relationship with God. AA teaches you can have any god you want. But I can show how powerful my God is.

@tanyacat5089

4 жыл бұрын

Zack West yes that’s what I believe I am in AA for as well!Thanks brother God Bless

@ThecrosseyedTexan

3 жыл бұрын

I'm just getting started on my journey after 50 plus years of denial. Only 7 days in. I appreciate you posting this and sharing your story

@zackwestrules

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThecrosseyedTexan congratulations man. I want to tell you that I got my 2 years 2 weeks ago. Christ is the only thing that has kept me sober. This has been very very difficult. Place your hope in Him and the hope that one day He will make all this new. In the meantime God has completely restored my life. There is still a lot of suffering in my mind but it’s better then it’s ever been. Love you brother and if you need anything feel free to reach out.

Before I was saved, I thought AA and my amends were my savior. After I was saved, I had to immediately come out of this works righteous system that promotes idolatry. From that very moment I knew having a pagan sponsor and taking spiritual advice from a group of pagans did not honor the Lord. In fact, it turns out that I'm not even an alcoholic or an addict like I was told, just someone who was deep in sin and self worship and completely lost. It wasn't until the Lord took my heart of stone and gave me a heart of flesh that my affections changed. After 9 years clean and sober, only Jesus was able to give me peace and deliverance from the lusts of my flesh. Praise God!!

@lionofjudahlambofgod9132

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Here's a link. carm.org/alcoholics-anonymous-page

@Tina-fi2wy

4 жыл бұрын

H T praise God! Wonderful testimony.

@wickedness_666

4 жыл бұрын

TEE-nuh God and Satan are assholes.

@M3MAX

3 жыл бұрын

Amen to this friend! In 2016 I was saved out of 19 years of continuous sobriety in AA. I had the same experience of feeling so uncomfortable in AA after getting saved. Within 2 months of my conversion i left for good and found a church home.

@matthewaguilar5792

3 жыл бұрын

@@wickedness_666 I feel sorry for you you lost coward. Stay in your safe place

I went to AA before i got saved . AA were helpful and supportive . I know now God always had His hand on me since I came to the Light, but i can assure everyone that AA did NOT deliver the spirit of addiction of alcohol from me , only Jesus Christ did even back then , I know no one else can . Jesus worked through Christians when I was struggling with alcohol . Praise God

@HT-db9gm

4 жыл бұрын

Same. I stopped going as soon as I was saved because AA promotes idolatry, and because when I was given a new heart my affections were truly changed.

@frillylily8005

2 жыл бұрын

@@HT-db9gm Can I ask how does AA do idolatry? I’m not a drinker but I just would like to know. 🙏🏼

@jonniefandango3013

2 жыл бұрын

@@HT-db9gm idolatry??

@leighburville2717

2 жыл бұрын

@@HT-db9gm You are so wrong. AA does not in any way shape or form promote idolatry any more than a Muslim promotes Jesus. People in AA get well because they surrender their ego and make huge, sincere efforts towards following the steps to be CLOSER TO THE WAY OF THE ONE GOD YOU JESUS ONLY FREAKS PRETEND TO FOLLOW. We recovered AA winners are most eager to follow the WAYS of God/Christ. . . and to help people who totally wish to stop ruining their family lives, their community and our nation with their miserable, pathetic, sick and deadly selfish, self-centered, warped, twisted, mental obsession with booze... (the carnal solution to their painful human condition. If the Church had an effective solution to this disease millions of alcoholic Christians wouldn't be struggling within the Body of Christ and suffering the agony, deep guilt and horror of being so addicted to alcohol that they maje life a living hell for their parents, grandparents, siblings, spouses, children and neighbors! . If the Church was doing its job it wouldn't be sending it's damaged drunks to AA on a regular basis for the past 75 years. Not only is that issue real, but you don’t seem to care whether Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and atheists are healed!! AA is useful to building a better world because they don't have to hear or believe in the name of Jesus. All those miserable drunks from other religions can get sober too, and leave their destructive disease in the dust pile on the past, one day at a time. If you Christians want a better world, let AA do it's job without your pathetic, blasphemous, unfounded, condemnation. Leave AA alone. Mmind your own business. . And do YOUR OWN JOB BETTER!

After 2 years of sobriety I have finally left AA.. I felt a deep sense of shame based teaching over the last few months but knew something was wrong a long time ago.. I finally understood that I was healed by christ over two years ago.. God got me sober and Jesus and the Holy Spirit keep me sober.. And by his stripes I was healed.. Not by a shame based programme.. Glory to God

@crooked-halo

Жыл бұрын

I also left AA, but never once did I think or feel as though it is a "shame based program." In fact, I found people in AA to be much, much more accepting and welcoming than any church or most Christians I have met. Shame was not a part of anything I experienced in AA.

@Trigathus

Жыл бұрын

@@crooked-halo how come you left AA then? im curious

@crooked-halo

Жыл бұрын

@@Trigathus As a follower of Jesus, and a believer in the inerrancy of the 66 books of God's word, there is far too much conflict between what AA states about God, and what the bible says. In many, foundational ways they are in direct opposition to each other.

@Trigathus

Жыл бұрын

@@crooked-halo Where does it say that the Bible is exactly 66 books? Jesus quotes and refers to the Book of Sirach, which is considered Non-Canonical by Protestants...

@crooked-halo

Жыл бұрын

@@Trigathus The issue has gone from "why did I leave AA" to a pending debate on the number of books of the bible! I'm not going there. I'll quote John 5:39-40 "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to receive this eternal life." I will say this...the 66 books of God's word are in conflict with what AA teaches about God in The Big Book.

AA is a wonderful place to be accountable and kickstart healing from alcoholism! I support it as a counselor. BUT it's not a replacement for a relationship with Christ, or a replacement for a church community. Still, whatever shortcomings you hear about AA, NA, or Celebrate Recovery, nothing is perfect, and imperfections of a group are NO EXCUSE not to commit to your sobriety. Find one, go, and get sober. If you're here, then God is calling you to get sober. God never calls us to do the impossible.

That makes so much sense to me. I am 3 years clean now after 35 years of failure. it wasn't till I repented and surrendered ALL of my life to Christ that I experienced a forgiveness that enables me to overcome the alcohol, drugs and other sin in my life. I still go to AA. i just carry a slightly different message... the Gospel.

@pinonnut

Жыл бұрын

I have done that.. soft sell, then declare, …. But not sure how much good I did. I did learn to stay away from nighttime meetings….

@smallhouse4874

Жыл бұрын

@@pinonnut what's wrong with the night meetings?

I went to rehab several times, tons of meetings, was an addict for over 10 years on every drug with my doc being heroin and marijuana. Like snapping a finger, Jesus cured me from addiction. Gave me a repentant mind with no desire to return. Meetings did nothing for me, Jesus did. I didn't need aa, I need JC!

@bradhouston4734

3 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. You are lucky. I’ve struggled with different things over the years and have prayed for the same to happen for me but it hasn’t

@girlnotoftheworld2008

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradhouston4734 Me either. I am curious how you are doing now?

@randallanthony1794

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@macumus

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradhouston4734 I still struggle with things like pride, lust, judging people, and other things - but God is refining me and it gets better and better. But drugs He really took from me by making me lose all desire and taste for them for the most part. Just pray for God to take all the taste for these things away- it is part of repentance, and repentance is a gift of God.

@bradhouston4734

3 жыл бұрын

@@macumus yeah, always going to keep praying

"We admitted we powerless over alcohol, that our lives had become unmanageable." The bible says you are powerless over ALL sin. It is not a liquor or drug problem. You are the walking dead that cannot do right. AA keeps you away from Christ, that's exactly what it does. Sinners do what they do. They sin. They live in sin, they're filled with sin, that's what they do. That's all they can do. The answer is to repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. "Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity." Is AA talking about the Lord of the bible? No. AA never defines the power because they are anti-Christ. Well, Satan is a power greater than man and he has been known to restore people to sanity. The bible says Satan has that power and great authority (Revelation 13:2) He is a liar and a murderer from the very beginning. But this is the power that Bill Wilson is talking about. It's wicked. And it's getting power from spirits and not regeneration by the Holy Ghost completely changing you and making you a new creation in Christ! "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him." The bible tells us to do the exact opposite of what Bill Wilson says to do. Proverbs 3:5-9 (KJV) 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

@oldschool1970skid

2 жыл бұрын

Clearly the statement in the AA big book about the realm of the spirit being : broad, roomy, all inclusive and not exclusive or forbidding. It ( the big book ) also states to join us on the broad highway. That is TOTALLY contradictory to what the bible ( the WORD of God ) and Jesus himself instructs !! God's word specifically states to enter in by the NARROW gate, the path is narrow and wide is the ( worldly ) path that leads to destruction!! Jesus clearly states that no one gets to or knows the Father except through me. Lucifer appears as an angel of light !! There's only one "highest" power and that's Jesus AMEN !

@oldschool1970skid

2 жыл бұрын

Sobriety is NOT equivalent to SALVATION !!! The AA big book or the programme itself does not even acknowledge CHRIST ! It's like trying to get the "higher power " to get them sober and improve the quality of life ! Trying to have a relationship with the Father without Christ !! It ain't happening ! Good question: who is THEIR Father 🤔😳 ?

@donaldjoy4023

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldschool1970skid You nailed it. The earliest beginnings of A.A. were pretty solidly Christian, derived from the Oxford Groups and from Buchman's Moral Rearmament movement, however as Bill W. sought to become a cult leader and recruit via the "wide gate," it became corrupted and watered-down and codified into the paganistic Big Book and so forth.

@oldschool1970skid

2 жыл бұрын

@@donaldjoy4023 thanx, good info. It's quite disturbing to realise that many AA members are achieving sobriety through the power........of the enemy 😳!!! I hope and 🙏 that our lord and Saviour will call his "sheep" out of this !! How horrible to achieve sobriety for the rest of your life and in the end find out you are condemned!!!! The really wierd thing is that towards the end of the first 164 pages of the big book ( the " meat & potatoes " of the programme) Bill W. states that he is in favour of members to join another religious body or organisation!! What happens then 🤷‍♂️? Ie: AA members get into a Christian church with sound doctrine and come to realise that the whole higher power they followed was a lie !!!

@steveroutley9127

3 ай бұрын

A lot of people before coming to AA have had bad experiences with religion or have had no affiliation with it at all, as these members continue on the path of AA and stay eventually come to believe

For years I have studied the history as well as the “theology” of AA. At first I knew the Big Book so well and the Bible so little that at one time as I studied scripture, I compared scripture with AA. As time has passed I have come to study scripture and compare the teachings of AA with the word of God. Big difference. For it is only in the word of God do we find God speaking to us and not the vain philosophy of man as in AA.

@sherry5214

Ай бұрын

Omgoodness GREAT ARTICULATION ❤🙏🙏🙏🙏

As much as I love John Piper I completely disagree with his assessment of alcoholics anonymous. For one by bill Wilson's own admission he is not a Christian. See page 11 of the book alcoholics anonymous. Secondly if you read harry Ironsides sermons on the oxford movement you will quickly discern that they were a works based movement totally devoid of teachings of the cross, the blood of Jesus, or even the supremacy of Christ. They took all the moral teachings of scripture and left Jesus behind. That's as satanic as it gets. Number 3 when asked about the means in which the big book was written and whither it was good, C.S. Lewis replied, "This is necromancy, have nothing to do with it." This was said because of the fact that bill wilson had what he called a "spook room" in his house where he used to consult spirits via a quija board and employed other means of communication in the writing of the big book and his other writings as well. Bob and bills wife frequently visited this room with him showing their complete irreverence for Christ. Fifthly the big book itself is one of the most syncretistic books ever written, encouraging men to call on whatever higher power they believe in not the one true God. To encourage men to do this is to break the first commandment. In order to be a sponsor it is required that you teach men the book so it is then required for Christians and non Christians alike to break the first commandment. Sixthly, in no meeting that I've ever been to anywhere are you at liberty to say that Jesus is the only way to God without being judged at the very least and being rebuked in the worst case scenario, so for her to say that she is at liberty to declare Jesus as her higher power is highly suspect to me. She may be able to say Jesus is her higher power but she will be reprimanded for saying he is the only God there is if she does it with any kind of frequency in a meeting. I could say much more but time would fail me to innumerate all the ways that A.A. wars against the message of the gospel and the creator of the heavens and the earth. A.A. is straight out of the heart of Satan no matter how much "apparent" good it displays. Do not forget that Satan himself transforms into an angel of light.

@IssacharNGC

4 жыл бұрын

Amen!! 100% agree.

@rdcb1057

4 жыл бұрын

Amen, I was a member and everything you said is true.

@stacy4985

Жыл бұрын

Bill Wilson was a notorious womanizer and took LSD. LSD is a dangerous drug which causes permanent brain damage. He never felt the "desire" to stop preying on vulnerable women. Right, he was sexual predator and you'll find a lot of those in AA. His wife didn't care what he did. She just didn't want a divorce. AA can help you get sober but Beware of major pitfalls.

@steveroutley9127

3 ай бұрын

God gave Alcoholics Anonymous to us where most of us would of perished,he is loving, understanding and totally forgiving.

I’ve been to Celebrate Recovery. I thought it was just for alcoholics and drug addicts. It’s not. It’s for everyone. I highly recommend anyone do the CR step class!

The steps that Mr.Piper read aren't the same as laid out in the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. There are many aspects of the 12 steps that are pagan. Including a works based spiritual awakening/experience(cheap substitute for a born again experience through Christ), the idolatry of believing in a god/higher power of each individuals understanding, a practice of meditation that is left up to each individual to seek out for themselves, I speak from great experience within AA. In 2016 the Lord graciously saved me. Within 2 months of my conversion I left AA for good. At the time i was 19 years sober in AA without a drink. I left because sanctification was taking place and I could no longer have fellowship that revolved around idolatry. In AA...god is the solution. But what god? It was a lowercase god and I no longer believed in a god that couldn't rescue me from my sin nor offer me eternal life. Pragmatically AA definitely works. I and many other were living proof. However AA doctrine states that it is a higher power/god of your understanding that ultimately will give you the power to stay sober. But what good is sobriety if it leads you to a false god and then to hell? It's not worth jack squat! For what shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul? Get saved first and Jesus will take care of the rest.

@hankvinson5967

3 жыл бұрын

I've found that many, if not most AA members become Christian after being sober a while.

@M3MAX

3 жыл бұрын

@@hankvinson5967 How?

@hankvinson5967

3 жыл бұрын

@@M3MAX from personal experience of the people I've known. I've been in AA off and on since 1987.

@hankvinson5967

3 жыл бұрын

@@M3MAX they come to believe in Jesus in time.

@M3MAX

3 жыл бұрын

@@hankvinson5967 I've had the opposite experience hence my post. Ive met many professing believers in A.A. but their profession and fruits of their salvation don't add up i.e. fornication, blasphemy, liars, open to new age beliefs. I see no need to be unequally yoked with unbelievers

This was the best answer I have ever heard! I as a recovered Alcoholic, and a very active member of AA. I ponder this question a lot! I love that he said that the biggest part missing is the cross.

@robertfoster3344

2 жыл бұрын

I am still on this journey of discovery about whether or not I should be involved with it.

@haf256

Жыл бұрын

Did you leave? I ended up leaving to focus on Jesus and make more time for church and church small group. Going to AA meetings pretty much everyday (as they encourage) is a whole lot of time! Having to be reminded that I’m an alcoholic everyday and go to meetings that focus on that the whole time is exhausting. I’m much happier now. I remember meetings I went to they didn’t like saying “Christ” and would call Him JC. There is such power in His name!

AA and the 12 steps led me to Jesus. Im greatful for the program. I am blessed to have a sponser who is a christian as many are in my home group and alot of the folks i attend meetings with encourage church services and bible studies. The point of aa as an organization is to save lives not souls. Thats between the member and God. AA doesnt force religion, though it does endorse biblical principles. I say chew the meat and spit out the bones. In all my affairs i ask Gods will be done as the aa big book encourages. There is much about the modern program i dont agree with, but i continue to attend meetings because it reminds me of where i came from, helps me stay humble and allows me to help other alcoholics to find their way to the cross.. Im grateful today because Jesus saved me, im grateful for aa and the sponsership that led me to the cross. This video is great! Thank you for sharing this!

best video you’ve posted

I was a Christian. When I developed a drinking problem I went to AA . I learned I had to outgrow my superstitions and live life on life terms.

I think the concern some have expressed with these othewise secular techniques embraced by secular psychology is their absense of acknowledging the sanctifying work of the indwelling Holy Spirit. McAurther''s "Reckless Faith" book addresses this in more detail. Essentially, the point is the early church did not have people with masters degrees in psychology on staff but what they did have was the Holy Spirit.

I don’t know where you got the 12 steps that you read, but they are a little different then the ones that AA uses.

I feel like AA just accepts their bond to their addiction for life. I can't live like this. I know is an evilish thing.

“Celebrate Recovery” is a great ministry resource and environment for the Christian who struggles in their identity in Christ. The focus is not as much the symptom, but on the subject. Who we are in our broken state is recognized through our choices, and changing our perception to who God want desires us to be in His image changes everything!

A lot of pastors come to AA with horrible drinking problems. If Church worked so well, why can't it help its own leaders?

@Trigathus

Жыл бұрын

Accurate

@smallhouse4874

Жыл бұрын

I think its because people at AA have been through similar problems. They have more experience helping people quit drinking/drugs

@tylersheppard9601

2 ай бұрын

Pastors coming into AA means alot lol? How many people are in the united states and the world?? Better yet why are there so many addicts?

I am a Christian born again and struggled with heroin drug addiction/ alcoholism for 40 years I celebrate my 2 years in 2 months and so grateful for the 12 step program for giving me the tools to help my overcome my addictions and yep I still love Jesus my wife is also a 12 stepper and was lead to Jesus after 8 years of sobriety were both now happy clappers for Jesus and believe we’re In AA NA to be there to be a beacon of light for those that want to know who Jesus is it’s easy to preach Jesus in the church but testifying about him to unbelievers that’s why we’re still in the program too maybe save that 1. we believe we’re planted in the right place for now 😌🙏🏽❤️✝️

@steveroutley9127

3 ай бұрын

So very true, we in alcoholics and narcotics Anonymous understand each other as no one else can. AA led me to Christ.

Defeating alcoholism will not pay the price for sin. Pastor Piper is game on there. The cross and only the cross equals redemption from sin. When I went to aa it was to get relief from my alcoholism and it helped. I've been sober for 33 years and still go to meetings today. When I go out of town I can find an aa meeting and feel at home. I know we are supposed to love the church and I do but it's awfully hard to like some of the political garbage that happens in every church I've been a part of. So what I'm saying is it you find what you need in aa by all means go. Our God is a big God and don't belive aa does anything to to silence him when he speaks to our heart. I personal believe a sober person has a better chance of receiving Christ than a intoxicated person. That's just me though.

@damianwhite9058

4 жыл бұрын

pastor piper is a fucking fruitcake

@lamonblanton5283

2 жыл бұрын

That removes grace...

@shine51ify

Жыл бұрын

Grace is being led to AA

One of the main principles taught in AA is Step 5...Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.... quite the opposite is taught in most religious institutions.. You will hear the words..."some things are better left between you and God" It is in your best interest to hold your tongue, since the government has forced the clergy to report your confessions to the authorities... but the word of God says.... in James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. . it takes very little effort to see... all the steps are directly related to the wisdom found in the bible... it is a wonderful experience, to know you have found a faithful true brother that would never breath a word of your sins to hurt you....or as I have often witnessed in the clicks beneath the steeples.... "we need to all pray for brother or sister so and so... they did so and so''

@Trigathus

Жыл бұрын

Well said brother!

This helps me to decide about the Dialectical Behavioral Therapy program as well. It is similar but I was worried about participating when it isn't emphasized on Christ. This helped a lot. Thank you!

@kara0300

3 жыл бұрын

I struggled with this too! How are you doing now? I have found that there are Biblical solutions for all of my issues, but it’s hard to find guidance. Secular psychology and programs seem to be designed to steer away from the Bible. :(

@pinonnut

Жыл бұрын

Celebrate recovery is 12 steps and Christ centered

These videos need a better thumbnail, something that pops up. Great work everyone!

The church hates AA because they are not able to control it

Sober for over 30 years now…PTL! I started in AA and was involved weekly for a year or so. I met a lady in AA that God used to draw me to Himself , and I haven’t been to a AA meeting since. John gives good advice! Unfortunately Hell will be full with AA people with some saying Jesus is their higher power. To say you believe in Jesus is not enough. A AA friend shared a Bible verse with me that turned my whole life around…..Jn 14:6. There is only one way to spend eternity in heaven and that is thru the saving work of Christ. AA may not help people directly get to heaven, but I am grateful that they give struggling people a place to come and made to feel like they are not alone. They do that well. Unfortunately many times better than a lot of churches!😢

You didn't even quote the 12 steps accurately. In a few days, I'll celebrate 26 years clean and sober. For many of those years, and for most of the decade prior to my sobriety date of August 14th, 1995, I was heavily involved in A.A. Eventually, the way A.A. conflicts with my Christian beliefs caused me to mostly stop going to A.A., and instead focus on Bible study and church, etc. The earliest beginnings of A.A. were fairly solidly Christian, derived from the Oxford Groups and from Buchman's Moral Rearmament movement, however as Bill W. sought to become the leader of his own cult, and recruit via the "wide gate," it became corrupted and watered-down and codified into the paganistic Big Book and so forth.

AA will help you stop drinking. Jesus Will Help you Live your Life to the Fullest! Addictions are just the tip of the iceberg.

@lionofjudahlambofgod9132

4 жыл бұрын

carm.org/alcoholics-anonymous-page

@mr.c2485

4 жыл бұрын

kathleen Wharton Hi Kathleen. I think you’re on your own as I have been blocked. I’ll try again later....Mr.C.

@kathleenwharton2139

4 жыл бұрын

Mr. C I had a comment blocked too..but surprised to see the next ones left alone. Someone may be monitoring them for content..and it depends on what you said? We DEFINATELY have a different perspective and we have kind of Hi-jacked pipers site! But you have been so Helpful to me! I came to understand Exposure. I have been rejected my whole life by people who love money..because I have never cared very much about it. I was so hurt by them..only to discover it was a Good thing! But my Pride made me choose the Wrong people for me..so I understand I did it to myself. I will miss you if they block you..and i may be next! If they are teaching the Truth they should not be threatened..so if we are threatening them..it is a sign they are afraid..or they cave to complainers who can't handle someone not agreeing with them. We Shoud be glad we don't live in OT days or they would just slaughter us and say God told them too. Lol. Thank You Mr.C. I so hope to still see you Here!

@mr.c2485

4 жыл бұрын

kathleen Wharton I’ll be back.

@kathleenwharton2139

4 жыл бұрын

Mr. C Good! I would miss you..and people need a challenge to their thinking! I am glad I was challenged by my enemies. It has brought me to a better Place.

I love Jesus with all my heart. However, when I go to AA meetings, it's vexing to my spirit. The majority of people in the meetings talk against Jesus/CHRIST

Great!

Saying that AA can be boiled down to the 12 steps is like saying Christianity can be boiled down to the Sermon on the Mount. AA saved my life. No life, no chance for salvation. Read Matthew 19:14, Luke 17:15-19, and then Romans 12:3, and then thank God for AA, that has saved millions of lives, and brought hundreds of thousands to Christ.

@Trigathus

Жыл бұрын

Amen

The twelve steps of AA, as written down, work just fine. I have no wish to dishonestly represent them.

In Christ is the ultimate act of Grace.

AA should be a Christian recovery group with Jesus being the only higher power 🕊🙏🏾

AA brought me to Jesus. And Jesus removed my desire to drink and use

What we need to keep in mind is that a lot of those people are still living their old lives which is not compatible for a Christian. For instance my sponsor turned out to be an ex-con and still a very violent person, I no longer associate with him. The Scriptures are clear we are not to associate with violent people, sexually promiscuous people and slanderers and gossips. In my area there is no end of those type of people, and I experienced conflict with all of that. I got in big trouble for turning down a sex offer from a girl, she's still mad at me and ruined my social life in AA. I only attend Zoom meetings but those people will still pop up, so I filtered some out and considering another if those people keep coming. They are there to hook up with girls.

Most sober alcoholics do seek further spiritual development in a church and prayer groups. AA is a beginning and the steps help get them there. The camaraderie u speak of is very important for them. They desperately need to be with fellow alcoholics. When they separate themselves from them their seemingly hopeless helpless condition takes over and they go back to drinking when they don’t. I’ve seen it a million times. I’ve also seen seen it turn people who were vacant change into some of the most incredible people I’ve ever met. What so many people fail to understand is that once they’ve worked the steps and begin working with others is that the light of God is shown and working thru them. He doesn’t want any1 to suffer with addiction and they need to learn to be selfless in order to do that. Addiction is self will run riot. It’s so selfish and self serving. They need to get out of themselves and working the steps enables them to do so. It works for those who are willing to work it. Anyone who is really interested in great detail how Bill and Bob actually got AA off the ground should read Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. (1984), "Pass it on": the story of Bill Wilson and how the A.A. message reached the world,ISBN 0-916856-12-7 ; Time's "The Most Important People of the 20th Century".) Susan Cheever. Time 153.23 (June 14, 1999): p201+. Bob Smith Alcoholics Anonymous. Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers: a Biography, with Recollections of Early A.A. in the Midwest. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, 1980. N.B.: No identification of individual author(s) or editor(s) of the text is made. ISBN 0-916856-07-0

@lionofjudahlambofgod9132

4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Bob was a Freemason man and Bill W played with ouija boards etc. It's an occult program.

@lovetodecorate7568

4 жыл бұрын

Lion of Judah, Lamb of God no its not. U r so wrong it’s off the scale. Many people played with those dumb games back then, especially the victorians. And our founding fathers were Free masons. Ur point is ignorant and just plain stupid.

@pinonnut

Жыл бұрын

There were heavily christian focused back then. Hence the success rate

@crooked-halo

Жыл бұрын

This got too long. Read on if you wish. In AA it is suggested that one find and voice his/her identity as an alcoholic. Why would I, as a follower of Jesus, identify myself with my sin? "Well," some AAs say, "we're merely acknowledging that alcoholism is a disease." Ok, fair enough, but is it a disease? The scientific and medical evidence for this being a disease is seriously lacking; it just isn't there. In AA I have heard over & over again that alcoholism isn't a "moral failure." Really? God's word states clearly that drunkenness & being a drunkard is indeed sin. Thus, it is absolutely a moral failure. There's so much more (little "g" god in the following on purpose)...in the 12 steps it is stated "came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity," "turn our will and our lives over to the care of god as we understood Him," "admitted to god...the exact nature of our wrongs," "were entirely ready to have god remove all these defects of character," "humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings," "sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with god as we understood Him..." Which god? God? Or god? There's only one God, and one Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Timothy 2:5. Not everyone in AA believes this, but yet most in AA claim it is indeed the power of god keeping one sober. This cannot be true! It is NOT any other god keeping one sober, because other gods do not exist! Other gods do not have any power to do anything at all. So, in AA, God is removed, replaced by god (little g), whom members claim is doing something. This is deceptive, there's another dynamic going on in AA. It's not God, it's the power of community, of meetings & talking about their solution, it's the dynamic of human power, human will, human ability, not god. It's complete deception, but nobody knows it. AA says no human power could have relieved our suffering, but it's 100% human power for anyone who does not know the one, true God! It's all just totally upside-down! A true cult of people who will go to hell sober, who idolize and worship and fear alcoholism and sobriety. "You can join us on the broad highway," p. 55 Big Book. "We feel we are on the broad highway, walking hand in hand with the spirit of the universe.” p. 75 Big Book. Well, Bill & Bob's feelings aren't what I'm going to follow, especially hand in hand with a foreign god! No thanks, I'll take that narrow road that Jesus talked about. I'm free of the sin of addiction & drinking, a long time, in Jesus.

@steveroutley9127

3 ай бұрын

Thank you so very well said !

Aaarrrrghhh.. if you are going to say you are going to read out the twelve steps then actually read them. You made your own changes to them despite them being very short and simple!!

Good for you. Pastor John. It's hard to be rebellious and not believe in any 12 step program. I'm lonely but refuse always any 12 step program. Jesus gives us free will not a strange 12 step program invented in1939

Check out the twelve steps as they are written in the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. This is not exactly how the were written by the first 100 alcoholics.

I need prayers

@kara0300

3 жыл бұрын

Praying for you!

@donaldjoy4023

2 жыл бұрын

Sending prayers your way

Sorry, Pastor Piper, you did not study far enough to see what the real roots of AA were. Both of the founders along with their spouses were involved with seeking familiar spirits before and after the writing of the 12 steps. I would appreciate you doing some more homework before making such omissions in your understanding that you will put out to so many people looking to you as a pastor.

@rafaelsoriajr

4 жыл бұрын

Very good. First time I went to a an AA meeting in life last week and it felt very off Spiritually. And this video ops up and ur comment reflects everything I felt and found out about the familiar spirits thing. I’m with You on this one. God bless

@HearGodsWord

4 жыл бұрын

Fortunately this is a video about what the LORD and Bible say so the origins of AA are not really very important.

@lionofjudahlambofgod9132

4 жыл бұрын

@@HearGodsWord But it's not right brother. Dr. Bob (one founder) was a freemason. The other founder was taking acid to encounter Satan and doing seances and ouija boards etc. carm.org/alcoholics-anonymous-page

@TheAbsoluteTruth334

4 жыл бұрын

Amen brother

@kevingreaux7133

Жыл бұрын

This is true. It is also believed that Bill Wilson the co founder of Alcoholics Anonymous was a womanizer, and an adulterer. If you look into this you will find there are people who knew him personally who said this is true.

If you read The 12 Steps, which have been a more successful treatment for alcoholism that all other treatments in the history of the world combined, why don't you read them word for word out of AA's Bigbook?

He is in a way paraphrasing the wording of the 12 steps.

Celebrate Recovery is the Bible based version of 12 Step.

@kara0300

3 жыл бұрын

No. It’s not.

@kara0300

3 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as Bible based 12 step anything. It’s a two step process: Repent. Trust in Jesus

@frogtownroad9104

2 жыл бұрын

@@kara0300 I trusted Jesus for 5 years, didn’t stop me from using. Only someone pushing me to have said spiritual revelation. I was headed for heaven when I was using, headed there now. However, my life would have been so much more painful without AA.

If you’re going to quote the Twelve Steps, please don’t put your own spin on them. The exact wording is quite easy to find if you consult Google. For example, you said in Step 9 we are to apologize for our wrongs. No. We apologized plenty when we were active alcoholics. Step 9 calls us to make amends. That is, to make it right with that other person or institution. Exact words matter.

Christian AA is remarkably separate from mainstream AA in many aspects. I've attended AA meetings in Northern Colorado which resemble Mennonite services in both interaction and even seating arrangement. Bottom line: Many of our Christian brethren feel out-of-place with the ex-cons ever-present in the Downtown Long Beach [CA] and cower at the idea of acceptance of the tattooed street trash of Hollywood -- and maybe they never will. AA stresses the connections between us all; and many #JesusFreaks are just plain intolerant; hence the comparatively recent rise of Christian AA meetings where authoritarianism, obedience, and shaming are stressed as legitimate motivators. Whatever gets you sober.

@pinonnut

Жыл бұрын

Never heard of that.

@JAGRAFX

Жыл бұрын

@@pinonnut --- That's why they call it "Alcoholics Anonymous" David. One can find meetings now in any large metropolitan area suited to just about any preference or line of work. There are gay women's meetings for homosexual ladies as well as meetings I used to go to at Boeing Aircraft for engineers and technical types. As I mentioned above; some of the central themes outlined by Bill Wilson and Robert Smith are slightly changed to accommodate the overly patronistic and authoritarian bend of modern American christian society but that is sometimes what the participants need. Discussions in the christian groups often center around the subject of the possibility of drinking alcohol again when and if one ever gets to heaven and thus consumption of alcohol becomes a deferred earthly pleasure in this seperate and distinct world along with sex, drugs, and rock & roll.

CHRIST HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM AS AS LONG AS HIS FOLLOWERS STEP UP AND PRAISE HIM.

While I agree with much of what Pastor Piper says here, AA and Celebrate Recovery (which is just AA with a little more “Christian“ dust, is a great deal worse then he is making clear in this piece. Bill Wilson was a necromancer and much worse and AA begin by fundamentally breaking the first Commandment with its mystical “higher power“ blasphemy. I have labored and studied over this topic for over 15 years as my wife of 25 years gradually left our four children and I as well as sound Christian doctrine. The devil is fine with people getting off of drugs, over eating, drinking etc. as long as he can drag people from Christ and the Bible by making Jesus a “higher power“. The bizarre miss use of scripture does not make a recovery system “Christian“. I would refer you to the Recovery Reformation THEWAY122 Ministry for information on how to escape the AA cult. Remember, people I have been led to Christ by pimps, false teachers, etc. that does not mean we join them in prostituting ourselves to a false gospel.

STEP #1: We admitted that we were powerless over alcohol-that our lives had become unmanageable. Jeremiah 10:23 "I know, O LORD, that the way of human beings is not in their control, that mortals as they walk cannot direct their steps" Psalms 38:4 "For my iniquities have gone over my head; like a heavy burden they are too heavy for me." Romans 7:14-25 "Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?" "Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord" ********************************** STEP #2: We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Hebrews 11:6 “He who comes to God must believe that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” 2 Timothy 1:7 “For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind” ********************************** STEP #3: We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. Proverbs 3:5-6 “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your paths" Psalms 37:5 “Commit your way to the LORD, trust also in Him, and He shall bring it to pass” Romans 12:1-2 “With eyes wide open to the mercies of God...as an act of intelligent worship...give him your bodies as a living sacrifice, consecrated to him and acceptable by him. Don’t let the world squeeze you into its mold, but let God re-mold your minds from within, so that you may prove in practice that the plan of God is good, meets all his demands and moves towards the goal of true maturity” ********************************** STEP #4: We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. 1 Corinthians 11:28 “But let a man examine himself” 2 Corinthians 13:5 “Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith” Galatians 6:4 “Let each one examine his own work” **********************************STEP #5: We admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being, the exact nature of our wrongs. 2 Samuel 12:13: “I have sinned against the LORD." 1 Peter 5:7 "You can throw the whole weight of your anxieties upon him, for you are his personal concern” Psalms 32:5 “I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, ‘I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,’ and You forgave the iniquity of my sin” 1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" James 5:16 “Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective” **********************************STEP #6: We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. Ephesians 4:22-23 “You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness” Ephesians 5:15-17 “Live life, then, with a due sense of responsibility, not as men who do not know the meaning and purpose of life but as those who do. Make the best use of your time, despite all the difficulties of these days. Don’t be vague, but firmly grasp what you know to be the will of the Lord” **********************************Step #7: We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Matthew 21:22 "And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive" Mark 11:24 "Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them" John 16:24 "Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full" Isaiah 55:6-7 “Seek the LORD while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, and He will have mercy on him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon” Psalms 139:23-24 “Search me, O God, and know my heart; try me, and know my anxieties; and see if there is any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting” Psalms 51:2 “Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin” **********************************STEPS #8: We made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all. STEP #9: We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. Matthew 5:23-24 “If you…remember that your brother has something against you…be reconciled to your brother." James 5:16 "If a righteous man has sinned against a brother, he should confess the sin to him.. ..to each other. ..pray for each other.. ..[prayer] is powerful and effective." Matthew 18:15 "If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the offense. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back" **********************************STEP #10: We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it. Colossians 3:12-13 “Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.” Matthew 22:39 “love your neighbor as yourself” **********************************STEP #11: We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. Psalms 105:4 “Seek the LORD and His strength; seek His face evermore!” James 4:8 “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you” Ephesians 5:17 “Therefore, do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is” Philippians 4:13 “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” Philippians 2:13 “For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him” ******************************* STEP #12: Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Philippians 2:4 “Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.” Matthew 7:3-5 "We must get the beam out of our own eye before we can see clearly to get the speck out of our brother’s eye" Galatians 6:1-2 “Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ.”

@georgepark489

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this!!

@rickmcroberts9101

Жыл бұрын

@@georgepark489 Thank you for taking the time to read it George. Peace unto you..

@Trigathus

Жыл бұрын

Beautiful brother

@Henry-uw2gb

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to give us the scriptures Rick. AA helped me understand that only through Christ, I could overcome my addictions; God does work in mysterious ways. It is my prayer that as christians, we become more sensitive to the needs of addicts, and that we can give them the hope and support that so many people need.

It works lol and the church never helped me iam grateful for as and no more of my money is going to the superficial church

The founders were not Christian- Bill W. was an occultist who practiced automatic writing to get his material for the Big Book, participated in regular seances, tripped on shrooms, and was friends with Aliester Crowley.

Actually, with your voice, you could actually read the twelve steps as AA practices it and not as YOU see them.

Yes yes yes yes yes it works

9:50 min mark "he breaks the power of canceled sin" what does that even mean???

The 12 Steps and AA has its roots in Christian Doctrine.

@lionofjudahlambofgod9132

4 жыл бұрын

carm.org/what-is-alcoholics-anonymous-and-why-should-we-write-about-it

@thecarlitosshow7687

4 жыл бұрын

Lion of Judah, Lamb of God Lion of Judah, Lamb of God . we disagree :) . I read the article you sent me. I’ve read from the source before. However, it is accurate but incomplete. It’s immuring Facts. Here’s why: Bill w and Bob went to the Oxford group which a Non demonational Christian group led by Pastor Buchanon. The 12 Steps was originally 6 Steps. They used Christian language and semantics like “wrong doing” instead of “ sin” and “confession” and other language like that. The founders did not want it to be religious affiliated so that made it secular because they knew that would draw controversy with other people. They would disagree. The Morals are there though. It’s secular. Hopefully this helps. silkworth.net/pages/religion_clergy/01-097.php www.christiantoday.com/article/the-roots-of-alcoholics-anonymous-are-in-christian-tradition-so-why-is-it-not-a-christian-programme/112895.htm www.jcrecoverycenter.com/the-four-absolutes-the-oxford-group/ silkworth.net/dickb/aassermononthemount.html

@rdcb1057

4 жыл бұрын

You said it, it is secular, it is not a Christian program at all. They went to the Oxford group but they also used the Ouija board and conducted seances ("Pass it on", chapter 16), obviously it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

@thecarlitosshow7687

4 жыл бұрын

R.D. C.B. I agree with what you’re saying. The Sermon on the Mount is crucial to AA especially temptation. Temptation for the them not to take another drink or drug or what have you. The Christian Ethos is there.

@rdcb1057

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ is not in the 12 steps, he has nothing to do with the esoterc practices of Bill and Bob.

This guy kind of maid up his own version of the 12 steps but it's ok

Most important thing is dont deny christ in aa meetings,allows no saved menbers to hear the truth, they say lords prayer at end of every meeting, very odd but i should fit right in not them

Read the word Bible. As outlined in the 11th step

"The power of one addict helping another is WITHOUT PARALELL"

aa is a non christian approach for not drinking..seems more masonic than anything else

Psychotherapy is invented by simonfraud (?) Through channeling an entity. Please Google its founder and it's origin. Just like yoga, what's the origin(based on Hinduism).

@MistyinLouisiana

4 жыл бұрын

He spoke on the men who started AA, who were Christians.

@lionofjudahlambofgod9132

4 жыл бұрын

@@MistyinLouisiana No they weren't. Dr. Bob was a Freemason. The other founder Bill W did seances and took acid (pharmakeia) to encounter God. They were of Satan. Here's a link. carm.org/alcoholics-anonymous-page

@101life9

4 жыл бұрын

@@MistyinLouisiana Christianized 😂. Stamps of approval? Does not mean it is OK.

@all4jesus594

4 жыл бұрын

AA saved my life. The people who were involved were extremely loving and actually Christ like. I moved on afterward and Jesus Christ saved my soul. Praise Father God, and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ forevermore!!🕊🙏💙

If you want to be brainwashed, go on ahead to the nearest AA meeting. Otherwise find a great addiction specialist, surround yourself with healthy people so you can focus on normal life, and finally go to church if you need the spiritual support.

Not AA steps

Page 114 as Bill sees it. Read it

@kara0300

3 жыл бұрын

Read Pass It On. Bill W described how he was “inspired” by contacting saints, using ouiji boards and channeling spirits to write The Big Book.

@kevingreaux7133

2 жыл бұрын

It's not as Bill sees it, it's as God sees it. The God of the bible says I am the Lord your God and you shall not have any gods before me.

@kevingreaux7133

2 жыл бұрын

@@kara0300 That is true. God said not to talk to the dead because they are familiar spirits. They are demons who will deceive you. Apparently Bill Wilson has been deceived when he was channeling these spirits using Ouji boards and having seances. I believe AA is leading many people to hell.

I think not. 😁

Jesus a carpenter and radical teacher. No miracles just a great man like Buddha.

The Lord Jesus Christ said, “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other...” - Matt 6:24. Addiction/Alcoholism is slavehood to the wrong master.

Dr. Bob was Christian but Bill W. WAS NOT and Bill W. (documented by testimonies) "channeled" and did ouija board, etc. I have not been in a group where you can say anything about Jesus. I respect Pastor but I don't know where he is getting his information. When Mormons say they believe in Jesus it is not the same Jesus as Christians. When AA talks about Higher Power and God they don't mean (you might) Yahweh and Jesus.

Jesus is my higher power

Propitiation not Atonement

There is not such thing like god as you understand him. Lots of people understand God as a person, group of people “aa”, demon or something else because they don’t know Jesus… however that something god heals the same as Jesus (supposedly). So, if l just need to believe in certain “superior power” why do l need Jesus for…? Any ghost, any demon, any entity, any “divinity” is superior to me… Come on!!!! AA… good intentions don’t justify leave the real GOD apart…. There is only one GOD… He’s name is Jesus… don’t be ashamed to call him as HE is… otherwise He will be ashame of you that day… As l always say… if it does not come from Jesus, l don’t want it…

I go 2 a christ centered 12 step program called PAR it stands for power for abundant recovery. Its online and does live meetings on thenownetwork.com

Once again Piper is wrong. The founders of AA were deeply into occult.

One has to look into the occult origins of Alcoholics Anonymous to make an honest assessment of the program.

You guys should checkout a ministry called Celebrate Recovery.

@Morelgian

4 жыл бұрын

sidgdansk how so.

@Morelgian

4 жыл бұрын

sidgdansk how is it catholic brainwashing. I just want to know why you said that. If you said it it must be for a reason

Aa is just another religion. But many of the peopke are true seekers of truth. But the system is flawed. 40 years sober but godless ? Meaningless in the end. Jesus is the answer. Better trust God than man

Dude is talking crap. The originators of aa were self confessed occultists

What an utterly ridiculous question to ask 🙄

Praise Allah

@kevingreaux7133

Жыл бұрын

You're praising a false God who can't save you. / Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, no one can come to the Father except through Him. John 14:6