Should Big Ramy have won the 2023 Arnold Classic? (Samson vs Ramy)
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Samson Dauda vs Big Ramy Arnold Classic 2023.
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Again, I'm not saying Samson Dauda didn't deserve to win the Arnold. I am neither saying that having the best flow shouldn't be the main criteria. All I'm saying is that judges are not consistent with that. If having the better flow is the criteria, 2 months ago at the Olympia Samson should have beaten Ramy and Derek should have beaten Hadi. But clearly it's not about that, it is about judges doing what they want, not being transparent with the criterias and then come up with different explanations after every show, confusing fans and competitors alike.
@lukatabak2800
Жыл бұрын
Jesus Crist get over it...
@tootoomcgoo9674
Жыл бұрын
@@lukatabak2800 Fan expresses opinion about the sport - perhaps you should be the one to just get over it? What are you even doing here, replying to comments? If you're not interested in Supersetman's opinion/take on the state of the sport, just move on. Many fans agree wholeheartedly with his opinion, myself included.
@lukatabak2800
Жыл бұрын
@@tootoomcgoo9674 his opinion finished with givin big ramy victory at last mr O. fun boy. so 10 judges gave samson win and you say they are all blind?
@MellowDTV
Жыл бұрын
Bb judges has been inconsistent for Years and frankly we fans cant do anything about it as the only opinion that matters were theirs
@BobsWS61
Жыл бұрын
Uhh, you are saying it, and repeatedly. I think Dauda beat Ramy. Upon seeing further footage though, I must say they must be blind though. Andrew Jacked looked ridiculous. He should’ve won it hands down. I haven’t seen a bodybuilder built the same since Flex Wheeler, who I might add should’ve beaten Ronnie Coleman back in the day, if anyone ever paid attention to symmetry
Imo, Big Ramy won the entire show. He was better than everyone on the finals comparisons - every pose. You can rewatch the stream. It's pretty apparent that the judges didn't give him the deserved chance to be compared with everyone or to stand on center at least once.
Ifbb need to set standards of what they are looking for, their judging standards seems to change from show to show. Ramy overlooked is a fact, no way should he be moved out instantly not even compared 1s my pose. He was looking absolutely amazing at Ac. Combined with the fact they crop out ramy in a picture they posted I think ifbb just don’t want ramy in the mix anymore which I think is pretty low blow just because he didn’t do the guest posing!
@Supersetman
Жыл бұрын
That's why I'm saying. I'm not saying I don't agree with one standard or the other. All I want to see is transparency regarding what they really want. At the Olympia Derek had the better shape than Hadi, but Hadi won. Now at the Arnold, the same head judge says that shape is the most important?
@ahlawymasry8743
Жыл бұрын
Samsun lacks both size & biceps bellies ! .. Big Ramy is getting blatantly robbed .. Nick Walker is asymmetrical lacking front lats (the worst FLS in BB history) with very small legs (thin quads) .. his left arm is way bigger than his right arm !! .. in addition to his concaved, blocky waist ! .... Samson has no biceps with average muscle size ! .. so the judges wanna tell us that the lower back is more important than the arms even with BIG RAMY's outstanding upper back, super RLS, outstanding quads, outstanding side poses, outstanding FLS & delts etc !! .. Open BB has become a clownish classic physique game (political manoeuvre) to get rid of BIG RAMY The only positive thing about that show is the fact that BIG RAMY has exposed them & their blatant corruption
Ramy is on another level, he should have won 🏆
Ramy's shoulders look ridiculous. Potential SEO site?
They punish Ramy with the most severe punishment, and because of that, we have become distrustful of those responsible for the game
@woahblackbettybamalam
Жыл бұрын
IFBB cutting off their nose to spite their face
@francisquesada9256
Жыл бұрын
Just accept the dcsion you hard loserss
@f-rod1047
Жыл бұрын
Big ramy is not being punished, his physique got out of hand, his legs are to bumpy with synthol trying to fix the holes in his legs, ramy is not pleasing to the eye.
@blackfoxgames4431
Жыл бұрын
@@f-rod1047 bodybuilding is no longer about being pleasing to the eye, if you want that go watch classic physique or mens physique
@sanjuro1180
Жыл бұрын
@@blackfoxgames4431 Who says that? you? if it it no longer ''pleasing to the eye'' then now they will try to make it again.
Holy shit. Ramy should've won the show
Even Ronnie said that before olympia , i dont think anyone can dethrone Ramy for a couple of years.
@rob1615
Жыл бұрын
And who is Ronnie to say this some ex Mr Olympia I guess
@arslanbutt6301
Жыл бұрын
@@rob1615 yea u r right who is he just a 8 times mr olympia and legend of bodybuilding one of the 2 most mr olympia winners.His words mean nothing i guess 🥶
You guys know I'm always right and Ramy was a definite possibility to win. He def got screwed out of a higher placing. He looked fantastic.
@francisquesada9256
Жыл бұрын
It's only pic go there and watch it live.
@earthwormjim3269
Жыл бұрын
Bullshit. Ramy's arms are terrible now - probably the worst in the whole lineup. His proportions are way out of whack with those enormous legs and undersized arms.
@Bigdaddyhammer
Жыл бұрын
@@earthwormjim3269Hey... You're entitled to your wrong opinion. Feel free to incorrect me again, next time you see one of my comments.
@earthwormjim3269
Жыл бұрын
@@Bigdaddyhammer Actually you are wrong and I'm right, as evidenced by Ramy's placing.
@Bigdaddyhammer
Жыл бұрын
@@earthwormjim3269 Negative. As can be proven by your name. That's 2-0 for me.
Ramy's muscularity is on another level..but it's not just about muscularity, otherwise Markus Ruhl would have been a multiple Mr O winner
It's crystal clear that Ramy deserved at least to get better place 🤷 Thanks brother for putting things in the right place 🙏
Big Ramy should have won the entire show. SMH. What a robbery.
Honestly this Ramy would beat 22 Olympia Haadi.
@omegaman_
Жыл бұрын
😂
Ramy flaked on that guest pose and it cost him big.
@saiprem.n7706
Жыл бұрын
Yes this bodybuilding shoe is completly a disgrace....now in olymopia hadichpopen will not win again ghey wont give it to him...thats goimg to happen for sure
Ramy's Flaws: No lower lats -> Jay Cutler also had them and he still won several Olympias. Deteriorated triceps -> Shawn Rhoden (may he RIP) also won the Olympia with deteriorated triceps. They need to start quantifying their judging system properly, like what Tomn8tor said.
Great content brother, your channel is getting better and better imo.
You are spot on bro👌... Something is fishy with how the judges just began to ignore a two time olympia champion...
How are people going to complain about big ramy’s placing when he’s missing half his back?
@Makeawish646
Жыл бұрын
By that sense samson has NO BACK.!
This Arnold was probably the best show I’ve seen given the top 7 all turned up on-point. Even Akim was his second best ever for conditioning. Ramy on his way to being fixed. Andrew smaller but ripped and Nick Mr Conditioning. Samson was holding some water but more shredded than at the O and so aesthetic.
@daremo-solovoz6466
Жыл бұрын
Finally someone talks about Akim's good conditioning. 😤
@handsomeX
Жыл бұрын
Great breakdown
@saiprem.n7706
Жыл бұрын
Samson faded out in the prejuding when the posing goes on and samsons glutes and hamstring is not good enough....this was comoletly fabricated win.ifbb doesnt want ramy to win bec he missed the gusest posing for them..samson sbould have finished 3rd yet he is the winner he comolety faded in prejudjinv yet git a prefect score...its abosalutly a joke
@HEAVYCHEVY409
Жыл бұрын
@@saiprem.n7706 even if Samson faded (which he didnt) he had the BEST OVERALL PACKAGE on stage. There is no place for saying oh he has good this or that. Your not judge one or two body parts. Ramy has oily delts, small arms, wide waist, and huge slabs of unseparated meat, he calls thighs. That's a bad overall package he lost, either your brain is mush or you blind
@kevinhope5343
Жыл бұрын
@@HEAVYCHEVY409 are you trying to convince yourself with the nonsense you spewed out here? Lol. The hate is strong with this one.
I hope ramy wins the O this year
How much longer are you going to milk this?
@sanjuro1180
Жыл бұрын
How much longer will you click on video's?
@LordWout
Жыл бұрын
@@sanjuro1180 I like Supersetman because his video's had originality, so that's why I clicked. But the last 3 out of 4 video's have been about Big Ramy's "Robbery", which is getting boring. And I actually agree with his point that the judging criteria need to be made transparent, less arbitrary and less "depending on the judge".
Do you guys really think the dents on his quads were muscle regrowth? They got filled out from night to day? To me that doesn't add up... His imbalance between upper and lower body continues being a major disadvantage for Ramy (always has been), despite being the largest athlete by miles... The imbalance is especially visible with very little triceps mass now and simply MASSIVE shoulders. while quads being bigger than horse legs. His lower back is still missing and it is not coming back, his waist is much thicker too despite them being about the same height (check front double and you'll notice). The weird "bubble" on his right upper glute too suggests an inflammation (even though so many athletes are showing that recently, but Samson didn't). That's how I think judges saw at least *shrugs*. His size has always been his main strength, we all know he's much larger and wider than everyone else on stage, and no one will ever be as big as him (he's much larger than people much taller than him! That's so impressive). His conditioning was amazing, and his strong shots are still strong: the side chest, front and back lat spread, side tricep used to be but the downsized tricep is such an eyesore to me... I love Ramy as a bodybuilder and as a person, he definitely improved a lot from the Olympia especially mobility and posing/angles, however the judges are giving a clear message to some competitors that they want new(er) talent (not necessarily age-wise) to be representing bodybuilding. Roelly, Maxx Charles, Justin Rodrigues, Akim, Ramy, Bonac and I would say even Brandon Curry... Check their placings, they're falling, whereas Nick, Hadi, Samson, Derek etc are booming up. I agree with how the judges are so inconsistent though, the standards are never solidified and we as fans seem lost as to how the judging works since different things are prioritised at different shows... However, it's a fluid and subjective sport, how do you make subjectivity consistent? Bodybuilding really is unique...
@chrissuponcic5181
Жыл бұрын
Ramy was warned numerous times to fix his seo problem in his delts and quads. So he either ignored the judges advice or was just physically unable to fix it. This has happened to many top bodybuilders the judges will let it slide until the Internet bodybuilding community starts posting about it.
Big Ramy wins all the poses against Samson. This is not even a close comparison, tbh.
I'm more for aesthetics and quite honestly I was satisfied with the AC results but after looking at comparision b/w jacked and Ramy and Samson and Ramy I do believe they did him dirty
All the photographers are governed by NPC. JM Manion, son of Jim, runs the NPC photography. It's not far-fetched to put 1:1 that the word has gone out on who they want to focus on and who they shouldn't.
Supersetman im only here to tell you and Nick T. it's ok to question authority... absolutely .👊🏻
Ramy won every single pose here
Ramy only wins for anybody appreciating the mass monsters . But nor for anyone who puts aesthetics first . Ramy loses big with the nonexistent triceps . Throws off his entire physique imo .
Great video, I would agree with your opinion, Ramy imo should have been top 3 comparison. His Arnold side chest will be a standard to beat for a while, it's quite impressive. Samson looked very good, too.. Hope at 23 O Samson, Jacked, Ramy and Walker all come in in good shape. With Hadi and Derrick, it could be one of the best ever imo.
You always say "this is bodybuilding" - but bodybuilding is not simply about being bigger - otherwise you could just measure girth of the arms, waist, etc. In my opinion Ramy lost (and he actually did lose) because his legs are too big from the front and the back, his waist is too wide and especially his hips are way too wide from behind. His upper body is too small, nothing really fits together in the back poses. So in my opinion he loses both back poses. He MAY win the front lat, he wins the side chest (though lacking any aesthetics) - and that's it! Samson wins 6:2 because he is way more aesthetic. In my opinion OF COURSE symmetry and aesthetics matter - and must be taken into account as part of the overall rating. Samson had no dominant win at the Arnold classis '23, but all in all he was the best.
@Bigdaddyhammer
Жыл бұрын
Although I see things slightly differently, this is the most concise, logical post I've seen here yet. Well-said, sir.
@chrissuponcic5181
Жыл бұрын
Your spot on
I was waiting for this video
Thank you Supersetman, for shedding more light on this topic. Ramy brought a winning package to this show. He dwarfs Sampson in this comparison while having similar conditioning. Even his arms which are somewhat downsized for Ramy are bigger and more separated than Sampson.
@JLMMotion97
Жыл бұрын
Bigger arms Ramy?🧐 No cap
@Its_g
Жыл бұрын
Ramy shoulders looks sus
@francisquesada9256
Жыл бұрын
Overall aspects balance physique it's all about Samson. So accept the fact that Samson win and move on.
@Its_g
Жыл бұрын
Samson's arms and conditioning too down in comparison
@saiprem.n7706
Жыл бұрын
@@JLMMotion97 ramys arms are more seperated than samson loom at damsons arms his biceps seperation is really poor and look at his outer arms of samson....he doesnt have a good arms at all
Ramy’s balance is gone. It’s not about politics. Bodybuilding is more than size and conditioning. I am a big fan of Ramy, but I think he needs to take some time to fix the lagging parts before he can be number one again.
Look at the triceps in the back lat man for ramy
Oh my God he is way better then Samson. It's politics. Bro u got this is the best Analysis
Absolutely brother, loved your comparison ❤
like ur stuff man. you say it like it is
Bro gave the back double biceps to a guy who doesn’t have half back 💀
Nick should have won. Samson has better shape but he doesn't have the same muscle mass and condition as Nick.
Thanks for the comparison, anyone who loves and knows bodybuilding would say Ramy won the show and that was very clear .
@Thinkpol2000
Жыл бұрын
You’re not biased at all, are you, Malek? 😅
@dt.malekabdallah690
Жыл бұрын
@@Thinkpol2000 No, I am not biased towards anyone, I judge based on comparison, are you biased?
Ramy was robbed, he really was the victim there
Is this the big Ramy secret youtube channel?
1. Ramy didn't got compare fully with top 3 or top 5. 2. Ramy lower body dominates his upper body during front double biceps. 3. His chest and triceps shrunked drastically. 4. He needs a fucking good posing coach. Any veteran bodybuilder.
great non-biased content
Ramy needs to remove some of the synthol in the delts. Any lose 2 inches of legs and get those quads all cut up
I was at the arnold both pre judging and finals. He deserved 3rd at most. Ramy is winning most poses sure but this is the exact same thing as shawn and phil. Phil won most poses yet lost, why? Winning every pose doesnt mean winning the show. Its about the overall package. Samson all though less conditioned has 0 bad bodyparts. He has triceps and biceps, good forearms, a good enough back, great legs, great midsection and great calves. Ramy has half a back, no triceps, lumpy unseperated quads, no striations in his chest, weak forearms and no calves.
@niccomagana642
Жыл бұрын
And inbetween poses. They say it’s not judged but it definitely is and it should be judged. If you look great in a pose and then pregnant transitioning into another pose it should be counted against you. That’s why ramy and Nick didn’t beat Samson. Samson had a little distention but Nick and Ramy looked very bad in transition
@chrissuponcic5181
Жыл бұрын
Ramys seo problem has become to noticeable in the Internet bodybuilding community, the judges had to start penalizing him
Those were great legitimate breakdowns of Ramys physic, which I totally agree. I believe that he even beated Andrew Jack.
@francisquesada9256
Жыл бұрын
See it in stage not in pics. Sheesh
To me big ramy is better than dauda eny given day. They want ramy gone
In my opinion Ramy beats Samson in every pose!
@handsomeX
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for raising the voice, i support you!
Ramy’s maturity is unmatched , though his lower lats have atrophy but the thickness in his upper lats is on another level , Ramy was supposed to win Anyday 🅾️💯💯
Can you do a CBum 22 vs Andrew Jacked At Arnold 22 comparison?
Appreciate the bold stance
Welcome the newwwww IFBBBB Head Judge superrrrrrr zeeehtman😊
Ramy’s glutes are to big , waist to wide, back lat spread huge but not well developed, quads synthol swollen & delts… Shaun was way better in my opinion 😊
Total agree with you, Rammy was overlooked
Whenever I read a KZread video title like this it sounds like: "Do 11 IFBB Pro judges not know what they're doing?" Because that's basically what this means.
@JAMESmmmmmm
Жыл бұрын
Answer seems to be no.
@kindle750
Жыл бұрын
All judges just copy the head judge
@doubletapthatdotty4597
Жыл бұрын
@@kindle750 No they don't. Because if they did nick would have had 10. He didnt have straight 10 meaning some judges had him not second. You clearly dont know what you're talking about
I dont think ramy got robbed, but he should have won. He looked absolutely insane! Similar to his 2020 physique
The side chest is the one pose I'd say no pro in history can beat ramy in
@iwilldeletethischannelwhen9964
Жыл бұрын
If ramy had triceps like phill or Kevin he would have been even scarier
@ryutenmen
Жыл бұрын
@@iwilldeletethischannelwhen9964 he had way better triceps in his earlier years that in SC pose you could clearly see the lateral head and even long head of the tricep. They were so developed and clearly separated.
@handsomeX
Жыл бұрын
And Roelly Winklaar as well
Big ramy is not proportioned to big on the legs his flow go out of hand, Samson was the overall better package
RAMY looks much better than Samson!
You're that one guy that has the balls to say what countless others are thinking. Its OPEN BB division for crying out loud, and Ramy is the most freakish, massive and developed bodybuilder on the planet. You can have your Claridas, Hadis, Nicks and Dereks, and take them, along with your politics and shove it where sun doesnt shine. Im going to stick to my Sonbatys, Ruhls, Dillets, Greens and Elssbiays.
@chrissuponcic5181
Жыл бұрын
The seo in ramys delts and quads has become far to noticeable and he's been warned by the judges about it. The judges are letting hadi slide for the moment but if he doesn't fix the seo in his delts he'll with ramy missing first call out
Ramy won every pose and dwarfs him. Lol, so much for that Samson was 297 lbs lie.
Seeing them next to one another sheds a whole new light….. ramy does look more impressive than first assumed
i think u should judge these shows apparently u know more than ifbb judges.
Interesting comparison, but two problems. Shows are not judged by who wins the most poses. Plus, this is just video footage. Folks who were there had Samson in the lead from prejudging.
If Rami retires it will be their fault because pf their discrimination. Everybody loves Rami. He brings a lot of positive attention to this Sport. They will regret this!
Why would politics not allow ramy to ever win another show again. What did he do. Other than having balloon legs
@pleasenotmyname
Жыл бұрын
He missed a guest posing after Mr. Olympia 2021
The glutes are a terrible method of judging condition. Samson genetically doesn’t have striated glutes but he’s clearly in better shape than water buffalo Ramy.
Many people beat Samson pose by pose but still won...it's not about big Ramy,even Nick walker won many poses but lost the show
Side chest pose is about side chest not legs! :)
@andrejdragicevic570
Жыл бұрын
So his chest is also better
@akshayrock9250
Жыл бұрын
@@andrejdragicevic570 lol no way Samson have biggest chest in whole lineup with fullness.
@andrejdragicevic570
Жыл бұрын
@@akshayrock9250 you are Right but je was Not That condiotend in That area and its about the whole pose so legs plays a major Part in side chest as welk
How do you see Ramy winning this??? His legs are wayy to big for his upper body, thick waist, no lower lats. I'm sorry, I love Ramy but no way he's winning this.
My issue with Ramy is that he looks like a box because he is so big. The V shape is gone.
Winter will knock the shit out this Olympia 🔥🔥🔥🔥 All the best Big Ramy!!!!
Big Ramy👑 deserves first1 place🏅🏆
I have to admit, I agreed with every single thing said in this video. The double standards of the judges seems to know no bounds.
Sorry did you say Ramy had the better conditioning? Come on now let's not be ridiculous. Conditioning is about more than just the glutes
@Supersetman
Жыл бұрын
I saw Ramy having the better conditioning through the glutes, midsection, back. Where does Samson look in better conditioning, aside from maybe the details in his quads?
Judges changing their minds every time on what they wanted
Ramy doesn't take the side chest..Just the legs..That's it..
U are right bro,
So Ramy should have beaten the top 3? Ok let Ramy win everything he enters forever. 90% of the fans agree with his placings. But he shouldn’t have won. I had Claris’s beating him.
Do judges explain after the show the reason why they picked who they picked ? Or judges don't have to show anything after show ?
While I agree judging can be inconsistent. The judges are clearly pushing symmetry proportions and separation more into open bodybuilding they clearly want classic flow included with the mass.
what about the symmetry round? you only compare the mandatory round but before that there is a symmetry round where the judges look at the competitor's symmetry and proportions while asking them to do the quarter turns, that's were Big Rammy loses ground because his proportions are all over the place. I personally really like the direction bodybuilding is heading in right now
@GreatSeo
Жыл бұрын
The direction it is going is the politics direction it always has been, you fool
@AndreiRose
Жыл бұрын
@@GreatSeo lol don't be mad just because your boyfriend big rammy didn't win. He got the placing that he deserved, there's no way he looked better than the top 3 at that show
@abdovitamins6331
Жыл бұрын
@@AndreiRose shut your mouth
@hishama.alghany33
Жыл бұрын
@@AndreiRose no way !! Just watch the above video
look at the size and width difference...rammy was easily winning the show
Since people started saying Ramy has holes in his quads. This bias against him has come about. Honestly he is the best mass monster out there by far.
I still have Samson..They don't compare mandatories anymore..So if Samson's is flowing better then he wins by the judges standard
@amazoner0cks
Жыл бұрын
Fu.. the judges and their double standards in each competition man, Andrew had no "Glutes/Hams" but easily got 3rd lool
@kanyewestvideos3925
Жыл бұрын
@@amazoner0cks ramy has no back and arms and got 4th lol
@amazoner0cks
Жыл бұрын
@@kanyewestvideos3925 No arms?! lol obvious hater, Ramy had the best Biceps peak after Nick, Samson has 0 Bicep peak especially from back poses. His Triceps is a bit downsized and will be fixed. Ramy's back was amazing last show, he never had lower back when he won 2x MR.O, others doesn't have good lower back as well, Ramy won all Back poses except Nick imo cuz Nick had a better conditioning from his lower body. Nick, Ramy followed by Samson should've been battling for first 3 spots, don't know wtf was Andrew doing there! Samson doesn't win any pose vs the other 3 guys which is embarrassing.
@kanyewestvideos3925
Жыл бұрын
@@amazoner0cks bicep peak without tricep sweep still makes the arms look small, which reduces the symetry/balance.
@amazoner0cks
Жыл бұрын
@@kanyewestvideos3925 His Triceps improved and will keep on improving with stem-cells. All BBrs has flaws in their physiques, "Samson, Andrew, Nick, Hadi, etc...." all has flaws Be fair cuz you sound like a pure hater.
Best mid section with add on elements of sharpness and muscle dicy goes to ANDREW JACKED...
@Bigdaddyhammer
Жыл бұрын
I think Andrew is the future. I just don't think he's there yet. He needs a lot more size and fullness in his bus, tris and forearms for that FDB to look perfect. He also needs to stop twisting it. I know he thinks it looks sexy and sets him apart, but it's hard to judge symmetry when you're throwing off your own balance.
Samon triceps looks injected swollen no definition Plus samon bicep has short tendon which makes it look fuller but look at rami bicep peak man cuz it has bigger tendon which makes arms look smaller. For me its ramy win. Atlas its just my opinion, keep smiling stay blessed ✌️
you went to the show?
I think you're right man thanks for the side-by-side comparison.
They keep charging the wining parameters, also nick waker has the write to complain along with Rmay. It should be between him and Ramy
@sanjuro1180
Жыл бұрын
Meh, you fans hype Nice to much up lol.
@OrientalGuitar
Жыл бұрын
@sanjuro1180 Meh , you peapole who judge others 😂, actually i dont like nick shape his legs is too short compared with his upper body 😊 . Yet in judge's eyes he was much better than samson in Mr.O, smason on the other hand didn't improve that much , this is my point they keep charging wining parameters.
Move on men. You can't get over? It's not all about the conditioning.its all about balance package.
I agree with you 100%. Not saying Ramy should've won the show but there's clearly politics going on here, and I also think they won't let Ramy win another big show due to politics and some biasness.
He's just being penalised for not showing up on Pittsburgh, as far as improvements are concerned Ramy was the most improved BB on that day, now it's just the politics and Double standards are keeping him away from top spots 😐😐
Definitely Rammy owned this competition
@handsomeX
Жыл бұрын
What?? They had to file a missing person's report for the lower half of his back! 🤣🤣
It’s actually pathetic what the judges have come to doing. Massive rip off for poor Ramy. The arms can’t be such a big deal, surely, Look at what C Bum gets away with.
Look at the poses, which Samson wins? It's like a classic competitor vs bodybuilder.. If they want the most aesthetic winner, then Andrew should win.. If they want most muscle with condition and decent structure Ramy should win and Nick 2. I like Samson, but like you said the judging is all over the place..
We just need real time scoring displays
Thanks you man. You are the best .❤