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Shop Talk: Is Wheel Balancing Worth It?

Are you losing efficiency by not balancing your wheels? How balanced is balanced enough? What do you need to consider? Is it even possible to achieve perfect balance? Calvin and Truman argue about these things and more, and try to balance a wheel for themselves.
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  • @ChePennyDK
    @ChePennyDK5 жыл бұрын

    My wallet needs balance after I browse Park Tools...

  • @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes

    @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes

    4 жыл бұрын

    Park is the Harley Davidson of bike tools. I have some tools I bought literally 35 years ago

  • @CB-fv4vv

    @CB-fv4vv

    4 жыл бұрын

    At least, these are mainly made in the US not rubish tools made in China.

  • @rollinrat4850

    @rollinrat4850

    3 жыл бұрын

    Park hand tools are pretty affordable, at least where they're made. There's far more expensive tools on the market. Would you rather buy Chinese made landfill that may barely finish the job one time? If Park is expensive in your country find good stuff that fits your budget. Chea tools won't last long. Good tools are an investment. I have reasonably priced good tools I have been using for decades. I use some of my grandfather's US made tools. They still work perfect. Talk about long term value!

  • @linglingjr

    @linglingjr

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol if you used tools everyday for a living you'd be calling park tools stuff very reasonably priced. I'm guessing you've never purchased or shopped for snap on, matco, cornwell or Mac tools... You'd be shocked.

  • @rollinrat4850

    @rollinrat4850

    3 жыл бұрын

    linglingjr I worked on this crazy 5 axis machine 'tool' that cost $800k. Theres some expensive tools out there. It had a built in CMM inspection system so it could inspect its own work. We had it laser calibrated every 3 months.

  • @TheGroupRide
    @TheGroupRide5 жыл бұрын

    I balance my aero (55mm) road wheels on my aero road bike. I have found it to make a big difference at really high speed in terms of limiting the terrifying resonance an aero road bike can get at 50mph. It's fairly common here in Texas where the really high speed descents are often dead straight and on chip seal roads.

  • @gersonFls7

    @gersonFls7

    7 ай бұрын

    How do you balance?? What products do you use?

  • @TheGroupRide

    @TheGroupRide

    7 ай бұрын

    @@gersonFls7 kzread.info/dash/bejne/hJuem7msnsbeZJc.html

  • @automaticraccon
    @automaticraccon5 жыл бұрын

    Weight Weenies will faint when they see you added 12gr. to a rim.

  • @mortenreippuertknudsen3576

    @mortenreippuertknudsen3576

    5 жыл бұрын

    Xaver von Treyer If weight wenie uballanced 12g can be horible in terms of handling at high speeds.

  • @automaticraccon

    @automaticraccon

    5 жыл бұрын

    Morten Reippuert Knudsen Weight weenies are usually not very fast and on the fat side. I speak from personal experience...

  • @truantray

    @truantray

    5 жыл бұрын

    They will faint because they eat one meal every three days.

  • @bishopdante

    @bishopdante

    5 жыл бұрын

    Drill holes in the rim then. Couldn't possibly go wrong. I don't ride it... I just spend time in the shed drilling holes in it, and posting lists on Web forums. Lately I have been filling the tires with helium.

  • @cruzanbum3108

    @cruzanbum3108

    5 жыл бұрын

    Exactly why I scrubbed my efforts to balance mine!

  • @ajosepi1976
    @ajosepi19763 жыл бұрын

    I had a cheap bike many years ago and the vibration from the front tire bothered my hands. I have nerve problems when dealing with vibrations. I balanced the wheels with the tires off and marked the heavy side, then put the tire on without removing the weight and found the heavy part of the tire. I removed the weight and mounted the tire heavy side opposite the heavy side of the wheel and that was good enough. I think the answer to "is wheel balancing worth it" is if there is a problem that it will solve then yes, if there is no problem then no.

  • @benguth7891
    @benguth78915 жыл бұрын

    this series of videos is amazing. really gave me the confidence to go out and buy the tools I need instead of passing it off to some third party to repair

  • @badumakatataka991
    @badumakatataka9915 жыл бұрын

    I'm bicycle mechanic from Russia. I very like to see your videos. And this video is very funny.: )

  • @grafspirt

    @grafspirt

    5 жыл бұрын

    does it relate to an alcohol in the spot? )

  • @KnjazGromowladny

    @KnjazGromowladny

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@grafspirt Looool

  • @LISIAS100
    @LISIAS1004 жыл бұрын

    ROAD BIKE: I just bought my first pair of DT Swiss carbon wheels and to my surprise, once mounted on the bike, both wheels bounced so much I was disappointed at first. But then soon added small strips of self-adhesive lead weights (for golf clubs) and managed to reach a very good result! I didn´t even remove the wheels from the bike, took me 10 minutes...

  • @maxwell8tre
    @maxwell8tre2 жыл бұрын

    An old boss when I was at the start of my mechanical career indicated that at higher speeds up on a bike stand, you’d always have a bit of resonance somewhere from exaggerated weight increases from torsional forces exacted on things like- tube manufacturing thickness, valve weight, reflector on the wheel. He never presented me with evidence for this, but it’s always been logically sound in my mind. I think it’s definitely a factor! Love the tech vids guys, you’re some pair on screen :)

  • @someguy9520
    @someguy95205 жыл бұрын

    Had a slightly imbalanced deep section wheel. Sticked on some lead strips on the inner rim. Only like 3grams Made a huge diffrence on high speed descents. Since it was a carbon rim, the imbalance transferred quite harshly onto the handlebars. Now I have more confidence, more control and less fatigue during higher speeds. It also feels smoother, nicer and more efficient. Cornering usually doesn't happen at these high speeds where grip could be lessened with an imbalanced wheel, but nevertheless it does technically increase grip

  • @DHGV

    @DHGV

    5 жыл бұрын

    Did the exact same to one of my alu wheels. Found myself slowing down quicker then before on a straight. Didn't know what was going on untill I put the bike in a stand. Had quite the wobble. So I bought a new set of wheels. Then ordered some golf club balancing weight stickers and started balancing the wheel. After I was done it felt brand new again.

  • @trroland1248

    @trroland1248

    3 жыл бұрын

    Exactly similar experience here. Riding downhill outside Boulder moderately fast (85 km/h) got harmonic resonance (speed wobble) so bad was loosing control and going across solid line into path of pickup truck. Barely gathered it in but scared the hell out of me. Learned to balance using the golf club weights. This is not really an issue for MTBers.

  • @kreutztube

    @kreutztube

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was so distracted by the balance while riding my fat bike I got cloths lined by a tree branch. True story.

  • @matthewblue7839

    @matthewblue7839

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had a terrible speed wobble, descending last season, with my tcr carbon wheels. I am running conti 5k 28, will wheel balance for sure this season for safety.

  • @CB-fv4vv
    @CB-fv4vv4 жыл бұрын

    I was expecting all the video to see you overlooking the tyre unbalance, but not! you are really great at what you do guys!

  • @almoshidan
    @almoshidan5 жыл бұрын

    I work as a bike mechamic in Decathlon i’ve learned a lot of bikes in the past 1 year thanks to your youtube channel. I’ m saving up for a roadbike so I can go to work by bike. I ride a bmx and I couldn’t balance my wheels but i think it doesnt affect my riding.

  • @colbymck
    @colbymck5 жыл бұрын

    Is Calvin available for life coaching sessions? Asking for a friend.

  • @gadzooks215
    @gadzooks2155 жыл бұрын

    Just balance my life. Great video guys, keep up the great work!

  • @stefandekleva8034
    @stefandekleva80345 жыл бұрын

    For all the guys at park tool, thank you for all of your video aids. However, I have a few questions about suspension setup for trail bikes,, please cover that topic next. Thank you.

  • @ironman1518.
    @ironman1518.4 жыл бұрын

    Used to do it on my motorcycle racing wheels, never on my bicycle wheels. On the motorcycle it made the ride smoother. On my road bicycle, IF I had a "front end wobble" it was always my head set. EXCELLENT EXPLANATION!!

  • @theweez510
    @theweez5105 жыл бұрын

    Balanced a wheel because it bothered my OCD, when I was done I still was the slowest in my group ride but my itch was cured and it was a fun experience figuring it out.

  • @DavidDeLeon

    @DavidDeLeon

    3 жыл бұрын

    man, my wheels are unbalanced and I'm sure that like you if I do balance them i will still be the slowest in my group lol

  • @wammo12345

    @wammo12345

    3 жыл бұрын

    CDO, it’s like OCD, but with the letters in the correct order.

  • @NoBrakes23
    @NoBrakes235 жыл бұрын

    I've been obsessed with this ever since I saw a mechanic balancing my moto wheels after a tire change.

  • @gobikeyourself
    @gobikeyourself4 жыл бұрын

    Guys I trust you, you could have made a 2 second video saying "no" 😂

  • @no1toolmkr
    @no1toolmkr Жыл бұрын

    never ever done it once ever, but now I got a bike I can easily exceed 20mph on, so now I am wanting to think more about this.

  • @Grunge_Cycling
    @Grunge_Cycling5 жыл бұрын

    I use lead tapes to balance my road bike tubeless wheels because the tubeless valves are pretty heavy. I think the improvement in traction and cornering stability is pretty noticeable, and it is a very cheap and easy upgrade.

  • @AnomadAlaska
    @AnomadAlaska5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video guys. If I was competing at a very high level on a 30mph speed machine I would balance before an important event. But hey, I'm old and slow and just ride to work mostly. A video about the balance impact of sealant in the tires would be fun.

  • @3693G
    @3693G5 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I think I'll add "Pro Wheel Balance" to the service menu and charge customers a case of beer per wheel. 🤔

  • @ChePennyDK

    @ChePennyDK

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well with the price of a truing stand, I would charge some real cash lol :=)

  • @wallyedmonds8199
    @wallyedmonds81993 жыл бұрын

    Yes it matters in all vehicles with a wheel , on bikes you feel it when you go fast .

  • @siedliko

    @siedliko

    3 жыл бұрын

    On Hybrid I could really feel it when going downhill at 50mph.

  • @HappyDuude
    @HappyDuude5 жыл бұрын

    If you're serious about wheel balancing, it has to be pH balancing all the way.

  • @schmu79
    @schmu795 жыл бұрын

    For road racing and bmx racing, balancing is a good idea when you change the tire. For casual riding and mountain biking, close is good enough because the wheels will pick up debris as you ride which will then throw off the balance anyway. Given the time, if I had the tire in a truing stand I would spend the time to make sure the spokes are evenly tensioned before spending time balancing. A broken spoke is worse than an out of balance tire.

  • @woody9382000
    @woody93820005 жыл бұрын

    When I first balanced my wheels, with the same tailwind on the road, my best effort average speed in my favourite ~3min strava sector went from 41.6km/h to 46.2km/h. It's like aerodynamics, the faster you go the more wheel balance matters for performance. I've also got the 2nd fastest time in the fastest local sector that requires no downhill skill (~70km/h), it's a very popular bit of road here, I'm not all that strong and I did it with box section 32 spoke wheels... that were perfectly balanced.

  • @andredevasconcelos7804
    @andredevasconcelos78045 жыл бұрын

    Great video folks! Thanks

  • @etayb7637
    @etayb76374 жыл бұрын

    Definitely when I ride I feel the imbalances on the sharp corners. I like being grounded. you 👍 .

  • @RGCastro7
    @RGCastro75 жыл бұрын

    Fun video! Thanks for the lesson.

  • @macordior
    @macordior5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome approach... I'm so in love with you guys now :-D

  • @trroland1248
    @trroland12485 жыл бұрын

    That’s pretty funny, poking fun at balancing wheels. However, it is more important in the road riding world, particularly in the case of deep sections carbon wheels. The deeper the section, the longer and greater the mass of the valve stem or valve extender. This relative imbalance towards the valve side is greater in the case of road wheels, because in general as a package (rim, tubular tape, tire, valve cap even, etc.) they are much lighter than MTB wheel systems. Also, the relative speeds in terms of RPMs of the wheel can be much greater the road, particularly on descents.

  • @JoeyIndolos
    @JoeyIndolos2 жыл бұрын

    I can’t lie; the part of the video I was waiting the most for was 5:30 - Calvin and Truman finally drink their beers 😄

  • @parktool

    @parktool

    2 жыл бұрын

    Root,that is, as in Root beer. Trust us, no drinking on the job.

  • @manoz6194

    @manoz6194

    Жыл бұрын

    @@parktool We need a Park Tool After Hours

  • @Hawlkeye-e9p
    @Hawlkeye-e9p4 жыл бұрын

    I did. Found a difference of calmness at speed that i hadn't noticed b4. I used tungsten gulf weights. Came down to the frame feeling more planted. But my bike was way way out of balance. Like 30 grams off. So maybe it helped keep my hub bearings from wearing out. Hard to say. Did a few other guys bikes. They had similar experience. Added a calmness to the bike.

  • @jasongirvan6729
    @jasongirvan67295 жыл бұрын

    Hi guys I balanced my wheels a year ago and rebalance when I rotate tires from front to back and it has made a world of difference in comfort (less buzz in the toshie), handling at speed (you feel the grip of the road better and cuts sharper) and increased my top speed of 84 km/h to 93.25 on the same circuit (conditions were roughly the same as well as originally top speed test and is consistently faster then before. It’s worth every minute of work, every gram of weight and if your as fussy as I am it’s worth the extra time to put lead golf club weights on the inside of the rim instead. I was able to custom cut them to a perfect 3.4grms and 3.6grms and since they have glued backs they stick to the inside without worry. All I can say is, do it, do it oh and do it!! Oh yes I’m a roadie

  • @theSEGAtwistisover9k
    @theSEGAtwistisover9k5 жыл бұрын

    This is playschool for adults, and It's awesome! 😂

  • @richardgate1571
    @richardgate15715 жыл бұрын

    I had a speed wobble above 45mph (downhill) which disappeared after I balanced the front wheel on my road bike. Since then I have checked all my wheels and corrected several! Once I’ve determined the required weight and position of the counterweights (with tyres fitted) I use automotive balancing weights which are self adhesive and stick them on the inside surface of the rim. Then I tape over with electrical tape before installing tyre/tube being careful to put the them in exactly the same position on the wheel again. No ugly fishing weights on my spokes!

  • @stilianivanov3377
    @stilianivanov33775 жыл бұрын

    I just balanced my wheels the other day with some motorcycle weights. Because I still run inner tubes on my 26” hardtail (Trek 4900) it was pretty straight forward process. To be honest the only time I can feel the difference is when I ride with speeds above 35-40 km/h or when Im jumping. I definitely do like how the bike feels now. Ps: All wheel setups are different and it takes different amounts of weight to balance them. For example I managed to balance my Nukeproof Generator wheels almost perfect with some minor tyre adjustments, while the wheel set on my hardtail took 22 grams in total to balance. Thats why I think there are so many different opinions on that topic.

  • @braulioperez181
    @braulioperez1813 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I do balance my bikes wheels and recheck ever couple of month for rebalancing if needed. I do use lead tape (golf clubs) instead because it is more versatile. Besides, i do the whole process why inflated and ready to use tire and wheel. This could be more accurate, from my perspective. Please advice if I am right. Please keep posting great vids.

  • @justjordan8018
    @justjordan80185 жыл бұрын

    This is so good I am running to the store for beer :)

  • @gustavorincon1640
    @gustavorincon16405 жыл бұрын

    I think it's important, really helps with handling, descents and stability, specially with deep section wheels, however, manufacturers do a good jobs in the design, so that the wheels are more or less balanced on common setups, that's why you don't notice it and think it's not important, but ask a motorsport person about it and they will tell you about it, the easy way is to do it with speed sensors magnets, one per wheel, adjusting the distance from the hub, no hassle, no weights, no drama 👌

  • @mariopreston9232
    @mariopreston92323 жыл бұрын

    As a bike tourer I had never bother with balancing my wheels just made sure they were built strong. Now I'm curious about one thing: do pro cyclists do balance their wheels? Thanks to you Park Tool.

  • @Phaidrus
    @Phaidrus5 жыл бұрын

    Hilarious, thanks guys! In fact, I replaced the valves on my tubeless carbon road wheels with aluminium Muc-Off valves and saved 4g per valve (original 60mm Mavic valve 9g, Muc-Off 60mm valve 5g, both with o-rings and washers). There's definitely less wobble on the stand. I also feel I can climb easier but that's certainly placebo ;)

  • @EXGAMINGSTREAM
    @EXGAMINGSTREAM5 жыл бұрын

    In my opinion, I feel it does matter! Wheel balance is important but only to a point. If there is a slight vibration, I would have to say there is really no effect on my riding. I’ve actually ridden a mountain bike with BOTH wheels imbalanced very slightly for quite a while and haven’t noticed any serious problems with handling or suspension. However, once the balance does become slightly noticeable (as demonstrated in this video at certain points) this can slightly alter the handling (depending on what type of bike you ride). In conclusion I believe that it’s not completely necessary, unless you truly notice a disturbance in the ‘force’.

  • @KoenBrader
    @KoenBrader3 жыл бұрын

    Funny and instructional. Loved it!

  • @JaimeVargas
    @JaimeVargas5 жыл бұрын

    So I think the question to ask is, is the imbalance due to the wheel being true or to roundness? I believe most imbalance issues in cars are due to the rubber of the tires being imperfect, in any case, the womps should not have a huge effect on watts but might impact your comfort and bearings, maybe suspension as well? If the womps is huge to where it is causing the tire to lose contact then that might be also unsafe 🙂 I can see how you might end up going crazy trying to balance wheels and tires on bike, especially since they change so much

  • @askcyc
    @askcyc5 жыл бұрын

    Yes i Do , I am a roady and I only balance the wheels after I have the Tube, tyre, cassette installed and it is inflated it to the proper pressure . If you do this with a Tubeless Tire then it might not be worth the time . Some companies make bike wieghts to balance wheels but i believe you can do it properly with golf club lead tapes.

  • @anandakrishnanm5560
    @anandakrishnanm55605 жыл бұрын

    Thanks good info pls do more video like this

  • @jorgenasllari8973
    @jorgenasllari89732 жыл бұрын

    I used to balance the propellers of my Radio Control airplanes on a similar way, takes time and is very important on high RPM.

  • @losttownstreet3409
    @losttownstreet34095 жыл бұрын

    If someone rides the bike for speed, balanced tires may be important. I was shocked as some spokes get lose on my 28mph e-bike (250 miles after the bike came fresh from the factory and the DMV for the initial certification; two sheets of paperwork filled to the utmost and nobody checked the tires). If you plan to go over 30mph regularly, it may be a good idea to attend more attention to your ride. For slow riding: no it isn't worth if the bike handling isn't affected, you still may get slower

  • @helicart
    @helicart3 жыл бұрын

    A remake of "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" Thanks for the memories!

  • @scottchaney4573
    @scottchaney4573 Жыл бұрын

    About 20 years ago there was a guy who did this locally, small cut up pieces of lead and crazy glue. To each his own

  • @91rattoyota
    @91rattoyota3 жыл бұрын

    I balance every bike by first removing the stupid wheel reflectors, then making sure the tire is evenly seated on the rim. Always works for me. Also making sure that the rim is trued and not flattened out anywhere.

  • @londonpickering8675
    @londonpickering86753 жыл бұрын

    Oddly satisfying. Thanks for posting.

  • @PLEBEJones
    @PLEBEJones3 жыл бұрын

    Love this show!!

  • @Johnny_RB
    @Johnny_RB5 жыл бұрын

    Hilarious! Made my day. Funny, the watching the wheel turn with a sip of beer. Comic genius (well, almost).

  • @josephkozachek848
    @josephkozachek8485 жыл бұрын

    I balanced a road wheel to get rid of annoying resonance that occurred at certain speeds. Didn’t clearly make me faster but removed a distraction above 25 MPH

  • @djjmann
    @djjmann5 жыл бұрын

    I suggest you use lead Golf club weights. Not only are they malleable, but also come with an adhesive backing that you can put on/under tire strip so they are ultimately a clean look, absolutely no outside weights on rim or spoke. Works incredibly well on road wheels.

  • @jesse-dg8yx
    @jesse-dg8yx5 жыл бұрын

    If I spent a lot of time riding as fast as possible over either super bumpy terrain or doing massive jumps I would consider balancing the wheel as that stays consistent. The tires just come off to much for me to consider balancing it with those and the sealant/tube, however if I was riding pro and half a second on a five minute ride means something then I would consider balancing with the tire and just remember the position of it on the rim and make sure the bead is seated on the rim 110% correctly

  • @Graeleaf
    @Graeleaf5 жыл бұрын

    A great episode! More beer files!

  • @Ghazghul
    @Ghazghul5 жыл бұрын

    Also worth checking wheel is even circular? Bad spoke tension = egg = inbalance?

  • @gustavorincon1640

    @gustavorincon1640

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, even if the weight is balanced, the wheel can be out of true and that have a more noticeable effect on stability

  • @littlerhino2006

    @littlerhino2006

    5 жыл бұрын

    This! Back when I worked as a car mechanic I'd tell people it a was a waste of time trying to balance an egg, they couldn't understand why I'd recommend a pair or set of tires to correct a vibration.

  • @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes

    @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes

    4 жыл бұрын

    Imbalance. Sorry, it's a compulsion...

  • @williamwarren6940
    @williamwarren69405 жыл бұрын

    The CPSC was on to something with mandated reflectors. They are perfectly calibrated to balance any wheel ;)

  • @DennisKrger
    @DennisKrger5 жыл бұрын

    It doesn't really change anything. Sure, it can look crazy on the stand, but that's because no other force is affecting it. If we as an example take a standard 28 inch road wheel at 60 kph (a speed I'll never reach), an imbalance of 5 grams will give a centripetal force of around 4N (a bit over 400 grams). Compared to the other forces influencing the system, especially at 60 kph, its vanishingly little.

  • @Phaidrus

    @Phaidrus

    5 жыл бұрын

    400g at 60kmh sounds like a lot...

  • @DennisKrger

    @DennisKrger

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Phaidrus It might, but that is (probably) because you're thinking of the effect of spinning an imbalance of 400 grams up to that speed (which would indeed become a huge force). Instead, it is the maximum force the wheel experiences due to the rotation. At least with my fat ass pushing down with 100+ kg, I won't really be feeling that.

  • @404nobrakes

    @404nobrakes

    5 жыл бұрын

    Dennis Krøger As a roadie, this would mean the bar is pushing up by about a pound on every “pulse”. That’s a lot, considering that I probably only put 40-50lbs on the bars at most. I’ve hit 51mph before and I know my bike starts feeling real skittery so I think I’m going to try this.

  • @DennisKrger

    @DennisKrger

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@404nobrakes That's 2% of the force. 40 pounds of downward force will vary between 38 and 42 pounds (as well as pushing forwards and backwards, of course). You might feel it, and if it makes you uncomfortable, by all means fix it, but it's probably not going to unsettle the bike enough to have a real effect on stability.

  • @Funnylookingape
    @Funnylookingape2 жыл бұрын

    I got a used bike from someone that had balanced the back wheel with loose copper sheets wrapped around 5 different spokes some had multiple strips and he was very proud of him self for fixing the bike... I haven't touched it and it works ok but if I need to fix anything on that wheel they are all coming off. I think the axle is just bent.

  • @thenotoriousrvh6091
    @thenotoriousrvh60915 жыл бұрын

    I've played with this idea on my road bike wheels. Only difference is I knew the tire and air would make a difference. Also where the weight was put made a difference on how much of a difference it made. Lighter weight on the outside of the tire was more effective than heavier weight on the spoke. As a compromise in my balancing plan was to place weights inside the rim under the rim tape. How did I do that you ask ? LOL I cut up 2 dimes, yep for 20 cents and a couple of hours (taking tires on and off) on a rainy day I had perfectly balanced wheels that made no difference in anything. Smooth road was still smooth and rough still sucked. Another idea if you really want to try it yourself would be to use tire liners but only use small pieces where you think the weight is needed but remember to start with a fully inflated tire first. This a lot easier with tubes, trying all this tubeless would be a nightmare. Only good thing is on the bike stand at full speed but rear doesn't bounce. 👍

  • @troybenallie9533
    @troybenallie95335 жыл бұрын

    The only time I've ever noticed wheel imbalance while riding was when I was bombing down a steep paved road at 53mph. It was very apparent! But I've also done like 42 on a dirt road in moab and didn't notice anything. I figure for the most part if you're running tubeless sealant it probably balances it the tire when in motion. Just like semi-trucks use plastic pellets in their tires to balance them.

  • @albr4
    @albr45 жыл бұрын

    Just turn your bike upside down on the floor and spin the wheels at a reasonably fast speed. If the bike starts jumping then it needs to be fixed.

  • @anooshsoni2948

    @anooshsoni2948

    5 жыл бұрын

    unreasonably* common spelling error

  • @albr4

    @albr4

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@anooshsoni2948 The equivalent of riding at 100mph of course

  • @anooshsoni2948

    @anooshsoni2948

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@albr4 EXACTLY!

  • @robtk3

    @robtk3

    5 жыл бұрын

    Your bike should never be turned upside down unless, of course, you are underneath it.

  • @Drago0900

    @Drago0900

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@robtk3 I am not doing this out of spite

  • @nabeelkubba
    @nabeelkubba3 жыл бұрын

    I half way thought this was a serious video till the end! You guys should've saved us the time 😅

  • @andrewgogolin1800
    @andrewgogolin18005 жыл бұрын

    When going through chunk and stuff and all my suspension travel I notice no difference. In the air though I find it painful I have counterweighted wheels.

  • @dugldoo
    @dugldoo3 жыл бұрын

    Fun and informative. Nice style. You should gather a team of professional cyclists: track, road and mountain; take their best bikes and progressively worsen the balance of the front wheel, and then in a separate trial the rear, and see at what point each of them tells you they can tell the slightest difference in feel or performance.

  • @rdpurdom
    @rdpurdom5 жыл бұрын

    The advantage of going tubeless is epic but one tge great things is balance! As you ride the semi liquid E goop will help greatly to self balance the wheels! You will never be able to do this in a static machine! The semi liquid state of the goop will not allow this to happen in a static state wit in motion, it will level itself out automatically, equalizing the "forces" if the wheel, tire and goop to make it all perfectly balanced while in motion!

  • @AtharvaVaidya
    @AtharvaVaidya5 жыл бұрын

    I have a cheap hybrid (~USD100) (MACH CITY MUNICH SINGLE SPEED). The wheel was totally not balanced but it wasn't noticeable in the ride. Still my curiosity balanced it years ago. Ride fatigue went down drastically the next day (the wheel was just a little more off than the one in the video without the wrench) Braking power improved somehow. The ride became stable at 40+ KMPH

  • @pauljames4510
    @pauljames45105 жыл бұрын

    Would the join of the rim be the problem ? becouse its welded and not a pinned joined rim ? (welded join rims is stronger)

  • @coolercooler642
    @coolercooler6425 жыл бұрын

    In my professional opinion balancing your wheels is not only more efficient . It's also better for the longevity of the hub bearings. In most cases you just have to counter weight the valve stem.

  • @Arkferret
    @Arkferret2 жыл бұрын

    i have a motorized bicycle an run inner tube tires. i always balancing them if i have to change a tire or tube. it may be silly to balance them but i feel it helps minimize vibration an wear.

  • @josereneducharme142
    @josereneducharme1425 жыл бұрын

    If you're not fortunate enough to live by a fishing store, there are other products/substances readily availlable that sell by the gram. Strickly for balancing purpose.

  • @stitchthe6367
    @stitchthe63675 жыл бұрын

    I have this same problem, except that my disc rotor and cassete wobble too, and the wheel never fits the exact same way it did before so I have to realign stuff. Warped axle???

  • @richardbently7236
    @richardbently72365 жыл бұрын

    Would the sealant balance the tires? I know they have ceramic balance beads they put in truck tires that automatically balance the tire.

  • @manolispapadimitropoulos3334
    @manolispapadimitropoulos33345 жыл бұрын

    I balance my car wheels when there is a wobble at the steering wheel at speeds around 100km/h. Balancing the car wheels helps me have a smoother drive so I can focus and enjoy my bike ride.

  • @bishopdante
    @bishopdante5 жыл бұрын

    I have a good few wheels with heavy spots which work like your test rig there without fitting special flushed bearings. From watching them pendulum, indeed the heavy spot is the valve. Saw no need to balance the weight of a valve.

  • @tonystothersdawson3774
    @tonystothersdawson37745 жыл бұрын

    Car tire balancers generally only balance at low speed (15mph) and more for wear than comfort. So unless you balance every ride, and after you have displaced the sealant, you will not get great results if using good quality hubs, rims and tires. If you have more affordable wheels, you may get a smoother ride as the quality control may be a factor. So unless you have very noticeable vibration on the bike stand, not worth the pain, you may increase the vibration by default. Good luck, and bring beer, you will need a drink... Love the content Cheers

  • @edensgardenshed9622
    @edensgardenshed96225 жыл бұрын

    I have balanced car tires for 15 years. You can usually only feel an out of balance around 50+ mph for a car. So for the speed of a bike i would say you cant feel it. Probably not necessary unless it is way out.

  • @CarlForde

    @CarlForde

    5 жыл бұрын

    cars weigh 1000s of kilos more than a bike and rider so there is much greater damping effect. But even if you can't feel it, it could still be having an adverse effect.

  • @rkan2

    @rkan2

    5 жыл бұрын

    Also E=mv2... going double the speed (say 40 vs 80) will have more than triple the energy

  • @madeiraislander
    @madeiraislander5 жыл бұрын

    9:20 goosebumps man, goosebumps!!!

  • @bobc3667
    @bobc36675 жыл бұрын

    It made me a more patient person balancing my own wheels.

  • @grahambate3384
    @grahambate33844 жыл бұрын

    We do this technique with remote control plane props. Vibration caused damage

  • @davidchavez81
    @davidchavez81 Жыл бұрын

    Get your tire mounted then ride it in a little. This will let the tire get seated and situated where it belongs. Then check it for balance.

  • @ChannelZeroOne
    @ChannelZeroOne5 жыл бұрын

    I could see balancing reducing wattage used at higher speeds. A setup without sealant might benefit. I know when my cars tires are out of balance I cant go as fast comfortably and my highway mpg drops by a noticeable amount.

  • @cryalowicki
    @cryalowicki5 жыл бұрын

    Danny Hart's old bike! Very cool piece.

  • @jonathanzappala
    @jonathanzappala5 жыл бұрын

    I also wonder what sealant does to balance. My wheels with sealant seem to wobble more than ones with tubes.

  • @chadmillikan
    @chadmillikan5 жыл бұрын

    You should definitely balance the wheels as they're going to be ridden on the road. You mind doesn't know it, because we're not accustomed to thinking about the balance if our wheels. Although as speed goes up the wobble gets worse and less contact patch to the ground every revolution (traction). Along with the loss of traction, your bearings are feeling the wobble and eventually wearing them. Some may say the weight of our body will keep the contact patch, but yet we do it to car tires that are way more heavy and we can feel the difference because of higher speed.

  • @stefannewels1823
    @stefannewels18235 жыл бұрын

    Made my tomorrow day! ❤👌😎

  • @joshuasamonte1682
    @joshuasamonte16825 жыл бұрын

    hahahaha you guys are awesome thnx for the video :D

  • @mortenreippuertknudsen3576
    @mortenreippuertknudsen35765 жыл бұрын

    Reynolds Sixtysix/FortySix wheelset with Continental Competition tubulars. The weight of the tubes brass vavle makes an unballanced wheel (usualy counterd approx by joint or weld in aluminum rims). It is really noticable and the force of the rotating brass vavle of the rim can be felt like the rear wheel is ’dancing’ at high speeds. Less noticable on front wheel though. HAVE balaced it with a wheel magnet (for cadence / speed sennsor) and correct position on spoke. When i ride w. Vittoria Pave || tubs with vitorias awfull aluminum vavle stem counter weight of magnet is too much... almost unoticable due to the lighter vavle stem if i dont balance. If i do add magnet i also have to add weight on spoke near vavle. Proberbly not an iuuse unless u ride sub 1200g wheelsets. Never noticed on my 1450g 32 spoked Macic Open Pro / Record wheel or 32 spoked alumium tub rims on Record hubs. On the very lightweight Reýnolds carbon tbular wheels: defenatly noticeable.

  • @unnibollman2312

    @unnibollman2312

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, rulett of thumbs should be that if any wheel with clean inflated tyre is imbalanced, and it can be drivende at above 40kph, then it should be balanced.

  • @bikeomatic8005
    @bikeomatic80055 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant!

  • @lynnebarkas6906
    @lynnebarkas69065 жыл бұрын

    I'm a roady, I've balanced all my wheels, complete with tube and tyre. I used lead weights for golf clubs and then lead tape for the fine adjustment. Both self adhesive. I used to get severe downhill front wheel wobble but the balance has helped but more importantly correct tyre pressures have a greater effect.

  • @dosetti
    @dosetti5 жыл бұрын

    Funny how I balanced my rear wheel on my bike yesterday and today I see this video. It was useful, above 25km/h speed the whole bike was bouncing before balancing. After it was smooth and joyful so thanks for the tip using fishing weights. Now I used nuts in the valve stem; exact heavy point was opposite the valve.

  • @BadTanLines

    @BadTanLines

    4 жыл бұрын

    Actually you should use Lead Golf Club weights. Stick them to the rim.

  • @MrBrownAlliance
    @MrBrownAlliance4 жыл бұрын

    I balanced my TT wheels, at high speed yes no wobble. Best thing I can take from this is, i know how to balance wheels now. Golf club lead weights work a treat...

  • @jamesmchugo9422
    @jamesmchugo94225 жыл бұрын

    Balancing does remove the wamp helps with rider fatigue on long races. Track racers and long distance road racers do notice an out of balance tire. We used lead tape to balance finished tires and just like balancing a car tire, you balance with tire on, fully inflated ready to ride. Having a tire out of round or not in true probably effects the average rider more the an out of balance tire. But the average rider is most likely never going to notice.

  • @moradan81
    @moradan813 жыл бұрын

    The moment when Calvin pauses and shows Trueman the valve made me laugh out loud, really loud.

  • @ttrrs_o3498
    @ttrrs_o34985 жыл бұрын

    Mavic 700c,it appeared that the rim weld was opposite the valve stem,l screwed a couple of nuts (small) on the presta valve and had smooth rotation,for what it`s worth.

  • @RyanWiggins1zoom
    @RyanWiggins1zoom5 жыл бұрын

    I have 4 bicks and all wheels were built by hand and I never balance my wheels I just make sure I true them properly all the way around .but thanks for the new info