Wow!! Thanks so much for all the great feedback guys, I really appreciate it. Keep the ideas coming;)

@UXBen

7 жыл бұрын

Shop built do you have any noticeable flexing as you use it? Seems like it could be more of a problem if you went with the cutouts.

Awesome! Simple!......form follows function......best one I've seen anywhere!

I'd definitely go with 304. Aluminum can leave black markings on wood if its not anodized. You may even notice the black oxide on your hands after handling it. I really like the overall design of the one in the video, and the logo must stay! Thats my two cents; I'm excited for the product!

Really nice design. Simple - few parts. Looks like an heirloom tool. Great job.

as a machinist myself i would definatley recommend 304. stay with the rigid design. will cut down on cost due to less jet time. I would buy one here in the US

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Brandon Burke thanks for the feedback!

A plastic washer between the brass lock nut and the stainless would enable you to tension it by tightening it but still having it movable. Would also prevent the unlikely possibility of corrosion. Nice design. Really like the round stock in to t-track idea

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

thanks! i like the plastic washer idea!

@murraylowe8677

7 жыл бұрын

Plastic would wear and allow flex.

@lylekobberstad8571

7 жыл бұрын

Mykeal Antaloczy I also like the washer idea but would probably go with a nylon washer, they tend to hold up to heavy use better.

@lylekobberstad8571

7 жыл бұрын

Great concept and looks great. I would go with the stainless, solid with the logo (gotta have the logo). The overall design is ascetically pleasing and looks to be quite solid/sturdy. Another great "ShopBuilt" design. Best of luck to you and can't wait to see it go into production.

I have the Rockler sled and it came with a stop. It's 3.5" tall. I would vote for the skeleton aluminum version with a flat finish. It would be the easiest to grab when I need to flip it out of the way.

@Stu_Louden

7 жыл бұрын

I agree with Dustin on the design and finish... Keep the cost down for the material; however, cost maybe added for the additional cutouts on the water jet (added runtime). What price are thinking of selling it for on Etsy?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your vote Dustin!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

depends on the material. Stainless steel would be close to 40USD give or take. I hope....

@mrfochs

7 жыл бұрын

I would agree and if you plan to make these in large numbers, perhaps a small sand blasting booth to put on the matte finish in large batches quickly.

@colomadavid73

7 жыл бұрын

Dustin Penner I vote stainless steel with a logo 3". Looks bad ass by the way.

I like it. It looks sleek and practical. I think the stainless would be better over the long haul. Keep up the good work.

I think that the stainless is the best material for it and your logo is a must. My sled fence is 3" but that was because it was what I had great idea!

I think you have a winner Ryan, very nice.

There's something about backyard manufacturing that feels so right

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

lol, I hear ya;)

Nicely done! You've thought it through. I have nothing to add. Just wanted to say well done and all the very best bringing it to market! #Woodworking #KeepTheChipsFlying!

Stainless! Heavy feel, imagine the 'kerchunk-kerchunk' of knocking that think down then up!

Looks great...stainless would be my choice....put your name on it for sure...great design....I would buy it!

absolutely yes on the logo on it. and for me aluminum would work. I kinda like the scratched/worn look - looks like its been well used and work has been done 😉

Great design. Good luck with this new venture.

def stainless with the logo! looks awsome and will def buy one as soon as they are available

Very creative...think you will have a winner!!

Definitely stainless, and absolutely put your logo/name on it!

I like it. Keep the logo. Simple design and concept. Great job.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

thanks!!

My vote would be stainless. I would absolutely keep the logo! It's a great logo that compliments the stop design. Plus, don't discount the value of branding, especially when starting up a new product line.

Nice design! That idea might even work in a track on a vertical surface! Thumbs up

Nice design Ryan. A nice feature would be to knock the bottom corner off so no build up of sawdust occurs. Any sawdust will go under the the chamber and not cause a misalignment on repetitive cuts.

Great design! The "cylinder" is very clever. I'd vote for the steel version. After building a few flip stops for my crosscut sled, I found that I got a lot less deflection at the end of a relatively thin flip stop design after I "thickened up" just the base area of the "finger" where it pivots against the block that secures to the T-track. It may not be necessary w/ your design, but it may improve any deflection issues with the 1/4 thick stop, if you double up the thickness just at the base of the finger where it mounts to & pivots against the "t-track cylinder". And you may also find that incorporating Nylon or UHMW washers will help the flip stop be able to pivot smoother & still be secured nice & tight to the t-track cylinder.

I think using stainless steel and blueing the metal and then adding the logo would make an amazing look.

I like the aluminum to keep the cost down. A nice addition to it would be for some type of hairline cursor designed into it.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! I would really like to see a cursor as well, just not a 100% show how to incorporate it yet;)

@brendanhay5788

7 жыл бұрын

GuysWoodshop Why would you add a cursor to the flip stop?

stainless, shiny and logo. Cute little mill you have there

Stainless for sure. I like the two size options. Maybe a locking nut so you don't have constantly loosen or tighten the knob when you want to move it. It's either gonna be up or down.

Great idea & design Ryan! As others here have suggested, I'd go with both Aluminum & SS versions. You may also want to consider making one out of heavy duty Plastic as well (which should bring down the cost). For sure, keep the logo. Ditch the brass locking nut at the top for a better & quicker way to lock it in place. Finally, count me in for a purchase when you make them available. Keep it going, you are on a roll........... Best of luck, Steve

I'd go stainless, with plastic washer and have to have the logo. Was in the market for a stop, glad I waited. I'll just wait a little longer until these are out! Good Luck, keep up the videos

Looks great the way it is, good idea.....wish I would have thought of it. 👍🇨🇦

Liking the cylindrical body and I would really go for the anodized aluminum. I'd be up for buying one or two from over here in the UK. Thanks for the videos.

I love the stop. I would go with the aluminum first due to cost. The stainless steel would be my second choice, but it is a very close second. Look forward to seeing you develop this.

Anodized aluminum would also be a nice choice. I like the open design also.

keep the logo man, i've got diresta ice pick and ill be picking up one of these! i love supporting you guys by buying the stuff you've made.

Good idea and wishing you good luck. You have some nice machines.

Keep the logo, it's something you should be proud of. I like the design too. Go with 304. Good luck.

Love the design Ryan and keep the logo.

Wow , your editing is getting very cool Ryan 😊 I'll buy one 🍰

My only thought would be to have a taller 'toe' on the end of the stop. That way, you can square up your first end of the board by sliding it under the stop, then flip the board over and cut it to final length. It would make it quick to slide the board under the stop so that you didn't have to manually lift it up. Or maybe an optional attachment for it? Just a thought..... Nice work! I'd pay for the stainless steel one for sure! Can't wait to see more- keep it up man!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

hmmm, I like that idea!

I love the polish. You can thin lacquer and just dip them for a super smooth finish. I think hollowing it would make it too weak/flexible? Also the logo engraved looks awesome. If you are making a product you really should put the logo. Brand recognition! For the pivot you could use a locking nut and one of those convex washers to put just enough pressure on the flip to have a nice resistance. I really don't get the who brass and alum/steel thing. I have bronze planes with steel blades and they don't corrode. It is not like I am using my tools in the ocean. I take care of them and keep them oiled and such. I think the brass knob really looks nice! Cant wait to see the finished product, It is on my wish list for sure!

I like the design, materials and functionality. I have some ideas that I will share and to be fair I have not read any of the comments so far so they may have already been mentioned. Make them out of all three materials at 3 price points. For those that want the brass look they can pay the premium and those wanting the most economical solution can pay for the aluminum and so on. Instead of a star knob have a cam lock, like on a bicycle rim. adjustable and quickly locked or unlocked for faster position changes and consistent "lock down tightness" This is purely cometic but paint the stop ( with your logo engraved ) then polish it up so the engrave part is contrasting with what ever color and pops out more...so "shopbuilt" will be what ever color you choose and pop out from the polished or matted metal surface. I think that would look very cool and help the marketability of the product. Best of luck to you. I really hope this takes off for you. Be sure to let us know when we can get our hands on one. I'll buy one for sure!!!

I like the solid version better than a cutout version. It will keep waterjet time down and I think it looks nicer. I also like your logo on it. I'll be keeping an eye out for this and will probably buy one.

That looks awesome!

I really like the concept. If using aluminum, powder coat it? One other design feature I would suggest is a through slot on the bottom so the dust and chips have a place to go and they're not interfearing.

that's amazing! I WANT one!! nice and easy to install, use and transfer to other fences. well done!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Allen Petrie thanks!

Most definitely logo! Other than that make sure to let us know when they're available!!! Awesome design!!!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

@andrewlay3219

7 жыл бұрын

An adjustable indicator would be an awesome addition for rails if you wanted to make multiple options for people to purchase also...just a thought

Good idea, I hope this is successful! I use the Kreg flip stop and production stop, the flip stop is convenient but tends to move a bit when you slide a board against it, the production stop is stable but inconvenient to use. So I vote for SS no cutouts, has to feel rock solid with no play. And I like knurled brass screws, maybe combined with a black logo. Definitely have to keep the logo.

Great, All the best with it !!!.

Like the design. I think you should tap the bottom of the stop as well so you can micro adjust stock placement with a simple bolt.

I like the design and I would definitely get one for myself as since I'm in need of one now that I'm getting my personal shop set up. I would like to do stainless steal myself

My vote is for stainless, I feel it will be a bit more rigid. I like the logo being included for sure. The round stock is ingenious. The nice thing about your design is that the t-bolt can be mounted on either side of the flip stop, so you truly can maximize your crosscut length to the width of your sled (minus the width of the Stop). I mentioned on IG that you might consider rounding over the leading edge for those that want to use it on a miter gauge to reduce the chance of it catching on the table saw surface. I'm definitely in for one when they roll out!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+nate crilly great point, I'll make sure I do that:)

that is bad ass man looks great as well as its functionality I would get one for sure just remember to keep cost low as reasonable cause some of us are just starting out and don't have extra funds available thanks

Well done, Good luck on your new business....

Great build! Stainless steel!!

cool and sturdy design!!

I like where you're going with this. A couple of suggestions though. First thing would be to add a plastic washer between the body and the stop to prevent wear and make the stop a little slower to drop. Another thing would be to shrink the knob. I have the Kreg stop track kit and the know is too big to use on my miter saw station. The smaller the knob, the better it can fit in tight places.

That looks fantastic :)

I tapped a through hole in the bottom of the one I got from Rockler so I could run a screw through it as a fine adjustment. If you do something like that it's important that it be able to be flush with with the rest of the stop so you can stack multiple parts. The one I got from Rockler the stop wasn't square to the track which was really annoying to have to fix, so you can definitely put out a higher quality unit than what they are doing.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+krtwood my first prototype had the screw at the bottom of the stop but like you said you can stack and also can't use both sides of the stop. The fine adjustment would have to be at the t-slot. Thanks for the feedback!

@shanetho2865

7 жыл бұрын

Shop built I would probably want washers where the arm meets the body, but for find adjustment maybe put a flat nut I'm not sure what they're called they look like a quarter with a threaded hole, between the arm and the body with another on the outside of the bolt

@shanetho2865

7 жыл бұрын

Shop built or get a machine screw with no thread at the head put the stop on that with a locknut and washers so the arm is stationary from side to side movement on the screw or bolt and you could move the bolt in and out of the body to micro adjust, you could probably use all thread with your brass knobs epoxied to one end, all thread would be cheap and easy, you can get brass cap nuts

Maybe adding a spring in between the body and knurled nut would keep some tension on the flip so it doesn't have to be either locked or loose, it would have a little drag.. Dunno. Great design, hope it sells well.

Well done, I like it!

Looks great.

Hi Ryan, to keep the cost down, think about vibratory grinding (I guess that's the right translation) after the water cut. Saves you a lot of work. what looks cool is a coloured eloxid finish and the engraving afterwards.....a red stop with you name in silver letters. Regards, Dennis

right on cant wait to buy one!

would love to purchase one whenever you get ready to sell in the states. awesome design! 3.5" tall sounds reasonable for most table saw sled or miter saw station operations/usages. good luck!

when I shop I look at 1) price 2) looks (I like the form of it, and the one with the hollowing.) 3) functionality, because nearly everything on the market will work. the logo is cool, but it would be hard to do with the hollowed out one. Both sizes would fit where I would need them to. I'm really excited to buy this stuff, no matter what you do.

Very cool design I've always build my fence at 3.5" perfect size. Great idea with the stainless steel and my vote is with you on the last style with the cutouts and with the logo. Good luck on your sales can't wait myself.

looks awesome

I would powder coat the stop keeping it aluminum and the body leaving it steel. Maybe a mini lathe to get your body blanks with square faces. Once powder coated they will match perfectly and you can have a range of different colors. Keep the logo you should represent your brand. Goodluck!

I like the hollow design. Also for me Aluminum, annodized would be cool. Good luck with the project.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

That's great. So happy you are branching out. Stainless all the way. Like you said it will last a lifetime. For sure put your makers mark on it. The people buying it are buying you as well. KISS. Keep it simple stupid.

simple but elegant very nice...

Looks great! I wouldn't bother cutting the material out of the body; the fewer operations needed to produce the part, the cheaper you can sell it while staying profitable. In the same vein, for a finish if you anodize you can do a big batch at one time rather than hours and hours of polishing. If you include a spring washer on the tension knob it will be easier to get a setting you like. One thought on the stop itself - if you chamfer the edge where the stop hits the sled, you won't get sawdust building up there and throwing off your accuracy. Excited to see the final product!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the great feedback!!

Very cool, like the design, the nut is a good idea.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Andrew Klein thanks Andrew!

I like your idea! A lot of comments include good tips so you will definetely get there! The only advice I want to give is make sure that al your products have a common design element so it's clear that they belong to the same brand

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Sjors van Gils thanks:)

Love it! I say stainless with logo and fill the logo in with a color.

It's definitely a cool idea. Polishing with a buffer I think would be kind of a waste of time and labor. It's a tool, it doesn't need to look like a piece of jewelry. Maybe for ease and volume a tumbler would be good. Multiple pieces could be done at once and it would also round off some of the sharp edges. The hollow cut outs are also over doing it and wasting material(metal) and more labor for the waterjet that you are already paying for. Remember to keep it simple, labor cost down, and waste to a minimum

i would def wanna buy one! i dig it! great design!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Matt Diresta thanks Matt!!

I really like the idea of you manufacturing and marketing this tool in your shop . I personally like the he combination of stainless and brass. That combination just says high equality. You may want to use a knob on it that is somewhat larger. Those of us how have been woodworking for a long time often have arthritis in our hands and small knobs can be difficult for us. Good luck and great success with this endeavor. Best regards.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!!

Looks great. I would lean toward aluminum just to keep the costs down. Maybe you could have special runs of the stainless to make it more "special". Would be great to offer a kit with the t-track and plans for sleds and fences. Just riffing for different package deals. Not a fan of the brass knob. Would rather it match the silvery metal, but that is really just a coloring preference on my part. Anyway - great idea and thanks for all the great videos. Good luck. Cheers!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. The knurled brass nuts are easy to find, I am keeping my eye open for a cost effective stainless option

I like the design... to choose the material is interesting... I think Aluminum would be your best bet as it doesnt need to be as hard as steel. Brass would look really cool, but for the shop I would think aluminum.

Ryan I like the stainless. I didn't see it in the video but you might want to leave a small gap in the blade of the stop and the fence so sawdust can clear. It really will come down to price point. Can you afford to do it and make it a reasonable cost point. If this is just another high priced tool like Woodpecker makes I don't need that. I really like your channel

This looks great!! I was just looking for a solution to the Kreg track and stop combo for a miter saw stand. I'd go aluminum with the flat finish, and I like the logo. Now hurry and start selling theses, cause I'm in.

I'd buy it! Though i don't really like the plastic star nut on top. Maybe make that out of brass or 304 Steel also? A satin stop with your logo and the skeleton type stop looks the best to me.

Good luck with your business.... Hope you the best

Add a hatted bushing that sits flush on the blade side, but threads to be proud. This can act as a micro-adjuster and is pretty simple to implement.

@ClockWorkFTW

7 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the exact same thing.

@IAmKyleBrown

7 жыл бұрын

kyneticfx Totally agree, without micro adjustment, there is no reason I would buy this over a cheaper option or just using a stop block.

@eddraper

7 жыл бұрын

Steel, fully buffed out with Micro adjust. I'd also fill in the logo with colored epoxy to make it stand out. If you're looking to create a product line, you're going to need to differentiate the brand. Why buy yours vs the Woodpecker's, Incra, or Rocker flip-stops? Your brand is going to guide a lot of your decisions. It needs to look, feel, and be a better product than your competitors.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

I like it!!

@petenilsen985

7 жыл бұрын

Shop built I was thinking the same about the lettering, red and black like your logo

great work! i dig it!

This is awesome. I'd be interested in buying one! Definitely keep the logo. And I'll ditto the plastic washer sentiment. Also vote for a way to attach a pointer so it could be used on a stop system with a tape measure and dialed in.

Nice job!

I like it.Stainless Steel is my vote... Hope you will look at shipping overseas as we don't get a lot of good stuff here in NZ and would love to support you as I get excited with your videos.. Keep up the GREAT work

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+markstoysnz thanks! I'm hoping to be shipping worldwide:)

Require a spring washer and lock nut on the mount to maintain control of force on swing stop. So that you can set the swing of the arm friction so you are not having to adjust the pressure at all after it is set. I hope this makes sense to you. If not please let me know.

Would be cool to incorporate a small ball detent on the end of your cylinder base and the inside of the swing stop arm. Swing down and clicks in place. Swings up and clicks in place. No need for knob. Just a thought! Love the design man! Great work!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Zac Prunty hmmm, that would be good!

I prefer the steel version, and the only feature I would consider adding would be a threaded hole at the bottom for adding a bolt to micro adjustability.

Anodized aluminum all the way Ryan! I'd steer clear of 304 SS unless you change other components to it also. Dissimilar metals will cause corrosion. I'll definitely be buying on of these .

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Shane Scriven thanks for the feedback!

Great design overall! Skeleton design wouldn't let you do the logo on the face. T-track mount is very nice. I noticed that the brass knob tightened and bound up when the stop was lowered. Loosening the knob caused the stop to become wobbly. I would suggest a nylock nut instead. Doesn't look as cool but would be more convenient when working. Adjustment of the arm could be fine tuned and the flip action would be much smoother. Just my .02

Nice job there.

Awesome, very Nice.

Better than bought, thumbs up!

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Peter's Werkstatt thanks!

Nice work.

Congrats buddy.