The more videos I watch of Venom's the more I am convinced he is a Cardassian infiltrator.

@jeffhallam2004

2 жыл бұрын

No he’s Tal Sh’iar

They're ships always had a look of true uniqueness in trek.

Unique! A Cardassian purpose built ship for a function that serves competently and ably, is reasonably future proofed, has no glaring weaknesses (so long as it was used to it's function). A perfectly competent ship well suited for it's role as a gunship or corvette/screener.

I've always loved the Cardassian type of ships in Trek, something about them that makes them more unique then most of the major powers, and this just proves it more. The Hedeki is the "Destroyer Escort" of the Fleet, Not as showy as the destroyers but when you need them, you always have a few around. I wonder if they even have names, or just numbers

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Possibly numbers like uboats And gunboats.

@msharp6887

5 ай бұрын

Calling cardassians a “major power” is a loe

It's a shame the cardassian fleet wasn't more fleshed out on screen.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Aye. Especially with some of the ships I've covered

@philly83

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

The Hideki class seems to be a combination of a Type 95 Ha-Go light tank and a Q-ship. Small and relatively weak they would not stand a chance against any of the larger crafts they would likely go up against, but have a decent amount of numbers, though would still have to focus on evasion; Were often used by civilians and lasted quite a while longer then the initial war they fought it. They seem they would be semi-effective tools for the purpose of anti-piracy, that is if they don't get used by pirates themselves. Also look like a horseshoe crab.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Horseshoe crab or earwig. The ha-go was small but when your tank is the only one that shows up...

This is one of my favorite ships. I would love to see the aesthetics carried into the cruiser and destroyers...maybe in Picard.

I like this ship

It sounds like the Hideki serves several roles. On one hand, it seems like a constable vessel (law enforcement), similar to US Coast Guard vessels. Some USCG vessels were designed with the capacity to be up armed in case of war. On the other hand, they seem to have a function similar to WW I fleet destroyers, screening the fleet from fast, nimble torpedo boatsin addition to making their own torpedo runs to disrupt opposing capital ships.

Totally agreed. Ships like these are excellent in swarms protecting a Galor or Keldon class from other maneuverable ships. What's interesting is the choice to use beam weapons. These are far more accurate than disruptors or pulse phasers, so an attack wing of Hideki would do some serious damage damage when firing in as a group. We've seen how effective Jem'Hadar ships are with them in groups. I've always thought of the Hideki as the Cardassian equivalent of the Federation's Venture class (The same ship Data used to chase off a Son'a science ship in Insurrection). With the element of surprise, these little ships can do a decent amount of damage to smaller ships. They seem to be one step up from fighters.

The thing I love about the Cardassians is how blue collar they are as a nation. Federation hulls look expensive and good at everything, like those Bentley minivans. Romulan hull materials look like they're designed first and foremost to become invisible. Klingon hulls look like they're far better at surviviing a disruputer blast than the radiation of a dying star or an acidic atmosphere. But the Cardasian hulls look like they're the cheapest materials the Cardasians could find to build an effective starship. A material with the word 'crude' or 'base' in the name. And it happens to be that orange/yellow/taupe color because they didn't feel like adding the process to make it look like materials normal people would use. That's so Roseanne. If the Federation is Chelsea, the Cardassians are Birmingham. And, in that light, what would the Hedeki be? I'd say not even a minivan, but an actual van with a bad ride and no ac but you can sure use one if you're a plumber or a carpenter. Or am I reading too much into it.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

A good comparison. It's also worth bearing in mind the cardassians are a military junta. And have little care for aesthetics. But looking at the postwar designs in STO they are far more elegant and artistic in their design

@matthewcaughey8898

2 жыл бұрын

Really you need a Toyota Tacoma of a starship that’s the Hidecki it does everything well enough to get it done. That’s a Toyota Tacoma

The Hidekki seems to be treated like a torpedo destroyer. Kind of reminds me of a Flower class corvette if anything, provided air cover and all that. lightly armed with only one deck gun but can carry a lot of depth charges and torpedoes; saw mostly action against U-boats. Uncomfortable for its crew, but it does it job. Seems to be something that would blitz towards an enemy ship or station, launch a ton of torpedoes and get out as fast as possible. Its size as well could just get it treated like a bigger fighter, flying at the head of a squad to draw fire so that they can get in close.

First, a like. Second, a subscription. Already done. Third, a contribution. Oh wait I’m poor. I’ll leave that for the future sadly. You make good to great content! That only leaves a comment. Someone needs to do an in-depth on the best possible class of ship in Star Trek. They need to take into account the accuracy or weapons systems, the amount of hard points utilized, the power of shields and armor, and the basic limit of doing reasonably. Consider this. Phasers and proton/quantum torpedos are more or less 100% accurate. A ship must be able to survive a hit to get into weapons range or be able to deliver a non-negligible hit before being destroyed. A Runabout class ship is basically a large fighter that can survive multiple hits due to shielding, but cannot delivery a combat worthy payload. Therefore, you can make a ship that is less survivable but has a more powerful payload. A.K.A, heavy fighters are a viable option in Star Trek. Simply arm a heavy fighter with 1-5 proton torpedoes and give it shielding to survive 1-3 hits to delivery its payload. On the other hand, hardpoints seem limited on Star Trek capital ships. Maybe a Galaxy class or a Romulan Warship, forgot the name, or a Galler class or a Klingon BoP can kill a heavy fighter or 2 every second, but what if there’s a hundred or a thousand of them each armed with a proton torpedo? Unlike phasers or disrupters, which are tied to a ships power output, torpedos are small, single use, weapons of incredible power. They make numbers a deciding factor. Think fighter bombers in WWII. I know Star Trek is a world of immense ships of incredible power, but with one critical failure. You can fire a weapon of incredible power from a tiny craft that costs a minuscule price compared to your great ship. How many fighters with 1-3 proton torpedos can you build for the price of 1 galaxy class? Certainly enough to destroy many, many Galaxy class ships. I hope I’ve inspired some deep thoughts. I know I haven’t since I was born, but there’s always hope right. Right???

I agree with your assessment of the Obsidian Order. They were at their best as an internal secret police, not an external infiltration organization. The Tal'Shiar, on the other hand, made for some of the better infiltrators among the various powers.

Cheers i always liked this design

I like this explanation of the Hedeki class. It makes much more sense compared to seeing them be the starship equivalent of the Red Shirt guys. It is a shame that the Cardassians themselves did not see the true potential of the Hedeki class ship. The Cardassian Union, if the people were not so stifled by the military and Obsidan Order, the more business minded Cardassians could have used the Hedeki as a tool for diplomacy and economic growth too. If I were the Cardassians in the pre Klingon Invasion times, I would have turned the Hedeki into a giant export. Sell the Hedeki just like what the USSR did with the AK-47, T-55 and MIG-21. Sell the ships or even licensed production to local regional powers and minor planets; make them become dependent on you for stuff. Now of course you would create a Cardassian only version of the Hedeki; just like how the USSR sold 'export' versions of the MIG-29 and so on. Then use the good trading relationships to earn money that can fund other things like building a better Galor class cruiser, be able to afford to build more Galor Threes, do better R&D, have access to more raw materials since you can import more of it and etc. Next you just keep improving on the Hedekis.... Now that would be having the Hedeki's live up to its full potential.

The Hideki class is a very interesting looking vessel

Yeah, it's a mass produced ship. Win by numbers.

Another interesting video. One thing did occur to me watching was the mention about it being an answer to the Defiant. Previously I'd thought of it more akin to the runabout, in that it was a small starship, capable of multiple mission types where a larger ship wouldn't be needed. Obviously on a larger scale than the runabout and with a more militaristic society designing it. However the defiant comment did make me think of the other anti-borg ships and there being a certain degree of overlap in design. Heavier frontal armour and a flattened hull shape giving it a low target profile. Clearly swarm tactics work best against borg cubes so it's not too hard to imagine a scenario where either the Cardassians had some intelligence on the Borg, either through the Obsidian order or some limited encounters of their own. May be a stretch but not impossible to see the Hideki as being developed for the same reason as the Defiant, with Cardassia's far more limited resources and tech.

Sounds a lot like the Miranda class: there to kick ass until it's time to get its ass kicked. Another great video

"There is also another Japanese person who's called Hideki who doesn't enjoy such a good reputation." I presume you are referring to the person who ordered a on a certain harbor which in returned later caused "The Land of the Rising Sun" to have a double sunrise on two separate occasions. I've honestly never actually realized the name connection until now. I wonder why the showrunners chose it for a Cardassian ship?

@shanenolan8252

2 жыл бұрын

Hideki Yamamoto ?

@occultatumquaestio5226

2 жыл бұрын

@@shanenolan8252 ; Hideki Tojo, the PM of Japan during that time, and the person who gave Yamamoto those orders.

@shanenolan8252

2 жыл бұрын

@@occultatumquaestio5226 right tojo . Yes his reputation was much worse. That makes sense. Yes major war criminal. Thanks

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Tojo was an army man and he famously didn't get on with yamamoto.

Star Trek Online's 25th century version is called the Yukawa Frigate, which is just a reskin on the Hideki.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hideki was a reuse in some aspect of the initial defiant model from when it was known as Valiant, with the squat nose and other similarities.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

It was designed before the defiant in season 2

@Tobiasfowler

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it was but from what I understand they were working on a design in season 2 because the runabouts were not seen as convincing against dominion ships. I just see a lot of similarity between the Hideki and the original master display panel of the Defiant with the stubbed nose. Maybe it’s the other way round and the Defiant model was made from the Hideki. I believe that the Nova class design was also considered for the Defiant but was dropped.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tobiasfowler yeah that's definitely true of the nova. The only thing I see the hedeki has in common with the defiant is a the circular module.

@Tobiasfowler

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I’m just seeing things but the Hideki and the original display of the Defiant that was shown in the briefing that Sisko gave to the command staff looks closer design wise, the nose is stubbier and the aft of the nacelles is wider. I just though maybe they’d picked up that design and recycled it somewhat as they seem to do with most designs. I do really like the Cardassian designs, the look robust but also organic. They looks like they could bully there way into a space whilst daring the opponent to challenge them, just on presence alone.

Gul Evec commanded both a Galor, and a Hidecki class in DS9. The Galor was in VOY S1:E1 Caretaker.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he was the main liaison for cardassian colonies in the DMZ so spent a lot of time fighting the maquis.

@RaderizDorret

Жыл бұрын

He probably got punted off of the Galor's command deck after losing Chakotay's ship in the Badlands.

The Hideki would be perfect for supporting Imperial Star Destroyers from hit and run attacks from X-Wings … ??!?

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the empire should have used more corvettes

@laisphinto6372

2 жыл бұрын

The empire does not need hideki they actually had a butt load of support ships the best and the scariest even for elite x wing pilots was the Lancer frigate. Fully equipped to kill star fighters this thing can wipe entire squadrons. The problem was that these ships were relegated to backwater worlds.

@davidreeves4556

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 have you seen the Imperial nebulon B fan design? It’s really cool looking.

She's the workhorse of the fleet.

The Cardassians often feel like Fascist Italy to me, in terms of their geopolitical position and power level. The Hideki thus makes me think of the L3 series of tankettes. Small, easy to manufacture with what's available, but completely outclassed by its enemies. The Hideki does better than the L3 though, as you say.

thank you

Good information

STO uses the last name of said scientist for a upgraded Hideki

Always liked this class. Its small, utilitarian, and looks like some form of trilobite or other ancient crustacean/arthropod. Wonder if there are any good deck plans of the vessel out there?

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

not as yet... somone's got to be the first ;)

@starshipreviews

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 this is true. To bad that's beyond my skill set. May build it in Minecraft though.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

@@starshipreviews that would be cool to see

Hey are you ever going to talk about or do a series Craigslist or wasp class ships from the earth-romulan war kind of curious

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Wait till next week.

Any chance we'll get to see something on the small fighters that the Hideki worked with and against?

I'm curious: What did you think of the Lower decks new variant on this design? (season 2 ep 1)

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

i like it a lot. takes the cardassians down a more clean angular look like in STO

How can anyone down vote these videos.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Alas they won't be able to before long.

Hey Venom, have you looked at the Startrek Rpg book series from Last Unicorn games and what do you think about it?

We already have the canon Akira and beta canon Alita named after anime shows/characters. Is it possible that this ship is named after Hideki Anno, creator of Neon Genesis Evangelion?

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Might actually be. What are some good anime names of cardassian ships?

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@nathanielmeade5731

2 жыл бұрын

Bet

Why not describe its armament !?

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Hidecki = Fascist Cardassian Police Spaceship