"They're too talented to have a song like sheesh". That hit the nail on the head. It's exactly how I feel. I watched their survival show and I remember being blown away at how these literal kid trainees were so incredibly talented. And for them to be given yg's crap music doesn't sit right with me. They need serious music man.

@auliamate

2 ай бұрын

they needa switch companies or something. flee to SM or even HYBE cuz YG is WASTING THEIR TALENTS AND WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME

@wh98412

2 ай бұрын

Like that song is more suitable for them. R&b hip hop. Because they have a good vocal.. I am a blink but I have to admit baby monster is more talented in vocal than blackpink

@milkyuuu6170

2 ай бұрын

I agree that there is better types of music that can fit them like R&B, dance pop, etc. Even YG can remake a hip hop song for the girls but just make it on Baby Monster’s level. But honestly the girls always had expressed how they love YG’s music, and they wish to perform like their seniors with YG’s style of music. So can you blame the company for the music that the girls love themselves?.

@wh98412

2 ай бұрын

@@milkyuuu6170 yes, you are right. But now in Korea, the trending music is not the yg type of music. Babymonster sheesh is out of melon chart. I think yg is focused international fans because most of the songs in the album is in English

@Raphael-2

2 ай бұрын

Sheesh is a statement. I feel like in that way it does "justice" to their talent, because the audacity of the song is to the roof and the message is like "no matter what we do we got your ears". Now if they do that again that's a no, but for now I feel Sheesh is pretty great at leaving a strong mark while leaving room for expectations.

2:43 okay i knew the prechorus sounded like a rosé/jisoo chorus but i had no idea they just ripped the whole ass melody from a bp song thats…. So crazy 😭😭

@nonamenosurname6127

2 ай бұрын

yeah, at very first listen I recognized the melody. I compared it with Pink Venom pre-chorus and it sounds one to one the same pattern.

@annuaikulola1931

2 ай бұрын

Right?!

@Sirensscales

2 ай бұрын

That’s why I knew I heard it somewhere before omggg

@TEAM__POSEID0N

2 ай бұрын

Similar. Not the same. None of the examples shown in the video are really identical in any reasonable sense. At one point the video is comparing martial-style snare drums in one song with martial-style drums in another song, and wants you to think that the basic martial effect means that they're the same. They are not. The sound is similar to the extent of only being within the martial-music genre of drum beats. But they're quite different. This reminds me of how haters back in the day claimed that 2NE1 was ripping off Rihanna because they both had songs that used Reggae beats around the same time. What's next? Oh, look! Guitars were used in a Blackpink song and now guitars are being used in a BM song. Must be copying the "formula". This whole line of critique is so tiresome and played out. Just let people listen to the song. If they like it fine. If they don't fine. But the haters and self-styled "sophisticated critics" need to stop obsessing over any similarities they can find between BP and BM and then exaggerating the significance of it.

@ambivalentidea

2 ай бұрын

​@@TEAM__POSEID0Nthe issue is that yg is reusing sounds for their already very repeated concepts and songs. these similarities do matter

Its funny i was listening to both of these songs this morning, and i was thinking that while i like SHEESH more as a song way way more than Batter up, sheesh sounds even more like a blackpink song than batter up 😭 people are gonna eat this up but in the end this almost feels like a set up these girls are way more than capable of making their own name for themselves

@gragalakaisel1477

2 ай бұрын

I'd be more happy if BP comeback with sheesh instead.

@yoohaemo

2 ай бұрын

@@gragalakaisel1477 i can definitely hear their voices when i listen to it

@shine199723

2 ай бұрын

This is EXACTLY how I feel

@Krakk-hj7re

2 ай бұрын

When the rap part came it reminded me so much of Treasure

@TEAM__POSEID0N

2 ай бұрын

What do you suggest they do? If you listen to Blackpink's B-sides, they have quite a diverse range of sounds and styles. BM already has Stuck in The Middle, Like That, Sheesh and Batter Up. Sheesh and Batter Up can be characterized as being similar to a very general formula for many YG title tracks. Stuck in the Middle and Like That are both about as different as you can get from that formula and still be in the very broad pop-music category. It's weird that the armchair "critics" have become so obsessed with hammering at the YG formula...but constantly give the other labels a pass for being much more repetitive and unimaginative in their styles and formulas. (How many times do we have to hear the girly, airy, wispy unison voices of some 9-member group singing chirpy bubble-gum pop?) Rami digging into those descending low notes in her part was a refreshing departure from standard Kpop. Rora's beginning phrases were very refreshing. Chiquitas smooth, almost jazz-like part was fantastic. The whispering part near the end ("tell a friend, tell a friend") really stood out. This tired talking point that everything BM does is "just the same" as everything that BP did and everything that BP did is "just the same" as everything that 2NE1 did...is boring and mostly nonsensical. Similarities can always be found. It's not the big problem people flocking to these negativity-niche channels try to make it out to be.

here's my thing: Babymonster was one the names on the table for BlackPink, which was rejected alongside PinkPunk. BM are now using a clearly outdated and old fashioned sound, reminiscent of BP from 2018, ripping off literal melodies to trigger the nostalgic feelings in Blinks to find support for BM which they don't even need. It's BM, a YG group. Why do they see the need to milk a dead cow when they have so much in their dungun? I legit think this BM project is just like how a spoiled little brat thinks she wants to be a princess when she grows up and now in her 30s, she still thinks she's entitled to be treated like a princess just because she wanted this as a kid. That's how absurd and cringy it is to see YG will not give up on rejected and old fashion ideas and will object their talents to this baboonery. Sad part is that like this, BM will remain in BP's shadow throughout their career. That, to me is the saddest part. The sheer fact that this is acceptable to most people and they'd say "well, it's worked before so YG obviously will go at again" is baffling to me.

@gyal7892

2 ай бұрын

true. the staying in bp's shadow is the most important to me. people try to take it as a positive, but to me it‘s not

@neueone

2 ай бұрын

this is so accurate

@Avi_ZeeIn

2 ай бұрын

Your ability to put everything into words accurately is so amazing 🤩

@W-I463

2 ай бұрын

I listen to kpop more passively so idk for certain but wasn't there a time, early in bp's career, where they also got older rejected 2ne1 songs? Is this just how yg starts new groups?

@gyal7892

2 ай бұрын

@@W-I463 i think it was debunked

My thing is the yg company Stans will call other companies lazy or formulaic but will just refuse to acknowledge this same critique for the groups they stan.

@TEAM__POSEID0N

2 ай бұрын

And other company stans will constantly bash and attack YG for being formulaic, while completely giving a pass to their faves who are even more forumulaic and even more predictable.

@missoudz8733

2 ай бұрын

​@@TEAM__POSEID0Ni dunno about that. jyp did not make twice itzy and nmix similar and stray kids is waaay too different compared to got7 and 2pm as well. big hit is also not formulatic since bts and txt have no similarities. pledis as well since seventeen has such a unique identity compared to their new group. starship is also not formulatic since monsta x, sistar and ive are too different. for yg however, the majoraty of their grps have the same vibe and often concept or sound.

@anneAanneL

2 ай бұрын

​@@TEAM__POSEID0Nomg, you need to chill, this the third time I see you trying to make excuses to things that EVERYBODY knows is true.

I know you aren't focused on rap, but I really appreciated carkpop's conversation about the way that YGE is shunting the growth of the rappers AS rappers by not allowing them to write their raps for Shesh, giving them nonsense lyrics, and making them rap all the same way. They might sounds good when they rap but YGE isn't allowing them be legit rappers. I think this is important too because it just reads as extremely sexist.

@wh98412

2 ай бұрын

Their rap lines sound awkward to me. Is it just me? 😅

@nehafiroz3713

2 ай бұрын

It does read as sexist because for one, I started as a teume in YG and I have seen how much the boys especially the rappers are involved in the writing process but in this most of the lyrics seems reused. I mean they are good at this but they should be given the opportunity to write their own.

@elfy2006

2 ай бұрын

yes, and the rapline is def able to write so that's really annoying

@sketchyarts10

2 ай бұрын

​@@wh98412boom boom phAww👹

@mightygdog2225

2 ай бұрын

I agree, it sounds good but has no originality, just ratata, bangbang, krrahkrrah and flexing

i wonder if baby monster will have an nmixx like trajectory. an unsuccessful/rushed debut which garnered them a lot of hate which then turned into some fans sympathizing & eventually turning into fans + eventually finding their true sound.

@overthinkingkpop

2 ай бұрын

Given BABYMONSTER's extremely high level of untapped potential, I could absolutely see this timeline happening. I will cross my fingers for them.

@Yooniverse35

2 ай бұрын

Hope that's true although this is yg we're talking about.

@wh98412

2 ай бұрын

Yg should give them song similar to the song given by charlie puth. This r&b hip hop suits them more than girl crush concept. Too many girl crush groups. And they are young. Can't really implement the girl crush concept not like blackpink who are almost adult when they debut

@wh98412

2 ай бұрын

The only one who can implement girl crush is ruka because she is an adult. The rest of them just look like a child trying to imitate their seniors. 😅

@TEAM__POSEID0N

2 ай бұрын

They've already established themselves with probably the most successful first five months of any of the new GGs who have debuted within the past year and Sheesh appears to be the most successful song by a relatively new GG so far in 2024. It's almost hilarious and a bit bizarre to see how obtuse many people continue to be in just repeating tired old talking points about "BM songs are just the same as BP songs" and pretending like BM is flopping. It's not the serious problem that the self-styled sophisticated critics are playing it up to be. There are similarities between groups in the same label. That's all...and some of the similarities are not even all that similar. But if a "critic" wants to strain to find things that are similar, focus only on those things and exaggerate those things, while ignoring the many differences, I guess they can make it sound like the situation is worse than it really is. The general audience for whom the music is made...are generally loving it...loving it more than 90% of the songs that other groups have put out during the past 5 months or so.

I don't even think "Sheesh" is that bad, but the chorus is terrible 😭

@jellifygirl

2 ай бұрын

It's really not that heinous, I could definitely see myself defending it but then you get to that unforgivable chorus... had to pinch myself when I heard that shit in the teasers and saw people hype about it instead of praying that it's not in the full thing 😭

@dodor4nanda

2 ай бұрын

@@jellifygirl LMAOOO when the teasers came out i was like "what the fück?"

@cutecorgiis5230

2 ай бұрын

honestly i hate the final chanting bit more

@kimyoung3160

2 ай бұрын

Agree.. i love everything about the song except the sheesh part

@ucytast

2 ай бұрын

Same for batter up

the problem is definitely not babymonster, but yg not even trying to differentiate babymonster from blackpink. from the start off they’ve been marketed as blackpinks ‘little sister’ group. i fear that this time they might not have as much longevity or impact as blackpink did. what yg did with blackpink was also really risky but in the end they succeeded and luckily played all of the right cards, i don’t think that will be the case with babymonster as generations in kpop change. even now it seems that majority of fans don’t acknowledge babymonsters talent and solely talk about them because of their sound being similar to blackpink. they also get criticized very much everywhere… bp was also very much marketed as 2ne1’s sister group but i think in the end the dynamics and individual marketing of the members is what caused them to have long term success. you may see babymonster pull these crazy views on youtube but i think most of their fans are blackpink stans. everything associated with babymonster is also connected to blackpink… i think blackpink were able to differentiate themselves from 2ne1 very early into their careers, hoping the same for baemon.

The simplest explanation is probably best. All YG artists, except G Dragon, has been a reflection of YG the ex member of Seo Taiji and Boys. Like a lot of former stars kpop company owners, they can’t stop the urge to highlight themselves. Either by abandoning their business to chase after their own stars like Rain, by continuing to perform like JYP, or by creating and recreating others in his own image like YG.

@divx1001

2 ай бұрын

You hit the nail on the head. It's all a big popularity contest for the CEOs. And YG is so in love with himself that he can't see past his nose.

@fridaalmaraz6381

Ай бұрын

He said it himself in the Bigbang survival show, at the beginning: something like "this group has the potential to be as big as Seo Taiji and Boys". He's been chasing that ever since. Saddest part is that the truly groundbreaking one was Seo Taiji, not YG.

I'm not gonna pretend I haven't constantly been singing B A B Y M O N without realizing it. I think it's an okay song, one I enjoy, but I also get the impression that it is incredibly safe, and it's not even a song I haven't heard before. Like you, the bp formula usually works for me, but I do wish they had better opportunities to show they're not bp clones because, like many people, I can tell what bp member would do what part if it really was their song, and that makes it feel a little cheap. Not a little cheap actually. Very cheap.

@kurinyan07

2 ай бұрын

tbh I don't know if personally i'd call it safe... I think its more lazy than anything...

I cannot believe people are satisfied with Sheesh.... it literally sounds like a mashup of every big BP song, smashed together

@Cherylmayblii

2 ай бұрын

I went back to listen to some of Blackpink’s songs after a long time and…. People say that babymon is a copy of blackpink like blackpink is a copy of 2ne1. But I’d like to argue that blackpink atleast had some creativity put into them; they have their own music, flair and style, and just so much more in general that’s distinct from 2ne1. But babymon’s music is actually just blackpink 2.0. Batter up literally uses Lisa’s money sample in the chorus of all things… sheesh was a major step up but still sounds like a watered down blackpink reject. The b a b y m o n tell a friend part was the one thing I genuinely found exciting.

@Andy-ne5qi

2 ай бұрын

@@Cherylmayblii I agree, I stanned 2ne1 and then black pink and didn't think 2ne1 and black pink were all that similar, except for As if It Were Your Last. That one drove me crazy because it sounded like it was made specifically for 2ne1. But with BM its everything, style, sound, concept, visuals

i see people saying it’s cuz they’re from the same company, but that’s no excuse. you can’t tell me Red Velvet, Aespa & SNSD sound the same, or NMIXX, TWICE & SKZ…it’s all YGs fault in the end

i also think the girls are too young to understand it yet. they’re all very much blackpink fans and most likely joined yg because of jisoo, jennie, rosé & lisa (blackpink). they may think what they r doing is cool and they will find success regardless being under a company as big as yg is but it will restrict them a lot and they will end up having no artistic expression or any utilizing of their talents. blackpink left yg for their solo work for a GOOD reason. and the girls, specifically rosé and jennie have complained for years about the way they’re being managed…

its crazy how they even make them sound exactly like bp members. rami's vocal range is insane, but they made her sing exactly like rose, u can even hear some australian accent, its crazy

@wh98412

2 ай бұрын

I thought she sound like jisoo than rose

@Shinotheblink

2 ай бұрын

​@@wh98412 For me two of them whenever I listen to that pre-Chorus part of Rami I will get the sound of rosé or jisoo

I don't think that even if these girls change their concept the BLACKPINK comparisons will stop. Maybe if they go for something that's truly unique, more experimental or anything like this, then BM will start building their own mark and these "blackpink siblings" or "blackpink daughters" even "new gen blackpink" labels can break free outta them

This has nothing to do with the music, but why all Babymonster's music videos look so cheap? I think YG ent. has a tendency to throw "pretty" sets without thinking of how the elements of a music video works. It ends looking looking like a cheap painted cube rather than an actual music video. I'm not asking a crazy ass production, I just want a decent MV (and budget is not the problem, as someone who stans Kingdom, you can have a great music videos without a big budget)

@newbunnie1

2 ай бұрын

exactly, i really like how pretty the sets are separately, because if you put everything together in one mv they look uneven and don't end up combining into a whole aesthetic for the mv

@tobennaokoli4450

2 ай бұрын

I feel like Sheesh MV looked very beautiful. I’d agree about this more with Batter Up.

@mavisamevorshie1302

2 ай бұрын

Really,when is the MV cheap.I like the aesthetic of their Mv.You know it is produced by yg so it is what it is.Also they invest money into each set

@iagreewithyou3478

2 ай бұрын

I thought MV elements worked well together. They have an overarching theme, the minotaur story/trapped monsters finally breaking free. The horn and maze scheme was also cleverly placed everywhere. They also actually built an actual maze if you look at behind the scenes photos, that's budget right there. I think the problem is with the editing of the video. The editor failed to capture many money shots. I see this in many YG videos. They have so many cool sets and shots that it's hard to cram them in a two-three minute video. That's why I appreciate their behind the scenes videos. Makes me appreciate their MVs more.

@albarr953

2 ай бұрын

@@iagreewithyou3478 Yeah, the editing is part of the problem. YG production team needs to be more concise and eliminate sets, to allow the editors to highlight them better and making the overall MV more focused and clear

NOT THE WII INTRO MUSIC 😭😂 YG is probably the biggest company that gives 'GO GIRL GIVE US NOTHING' kinda energy, but b-side Like That was really good. (Also i don't know what happened to my other comment)

I think following trends so closely starts to be a problem when artists in the same group are doing it. When Blackpink comes back and uses the same sound (unless they decide to switch it up) they can get washed out by BabyMonster using that same sound. Blackpink's advantage is people having to wait a long time to hear their sound again how is that gonna work when BabyMonster is using the sound when Blackpink isn't. It's like Blackpink essentially never left because now you can hear their sound year-round. The similarities of both groups is not a coincidence it's a marketing strategy. With Teddy debuting his new girl group, their sound might be similar to Blackpink's and BabyMonster's sound seeing as he was YG's main producer for both 2NE1 and Blackpink. Somi music has similarities to that "YG sound" and I'm sure the new girl group will too. Again how is Blackpink supposed to use the sound that made them famous and their marketing strategy of scarcity.

@kf5338

2 ай бұрын

That's likely a big reason why, though. YG doesn't gaf about Blackpink in particular - he cares about money. Yes, Blackpink are still signed to YG, but we all saw how long it took for them to come to an agreement. Companies don't want artists to become bigger than the company itself, that shifts the power balance in favour of the artist. YG discarded 2NE1 in the exact same way, they had Blackpink coming up so why hell would they care about 2NE1?

@wh98412

2 ай бұрын

Don't worry about blackpink. They already established themselves. They can go solo

@Mylife-clueless

2 ай бұрын

That could be one of the bigger reasons why they sound so similar to bp. Yg does not care about them, even if they are signed to yge as a group, they still left. Wouldn't put it past him to try and sabotage both groups just because of that seeing how 2ne1 was treated and then kinda erased.

@juliakrystal19

2 ай бұрын

Why did Teddy leave YG tho?

@Mylife-clueless

2 ай бұрын

@@juliakrystal19 not quite sure but i just saw that a few months back theblacklabel moved from yge to their own building plus over the years yge's shares in tbl decreased significantly so they are probably working on becoming an independent label

Yg has truly run out of ideas

2:30 as a love to hate me enthusiast I don't know how I DIDN'T hear that 😭

@RoyaleMusical

2 ай бұрын

same!! as someone who thinks love to hate me is a genuinely good and unique bp song i shoulda known

@AgustDsword

2 ай бұрын

Same

@Coloriey

2 ай бұрын

It’s barely there, I think it just might be a coincidence

@sketchyarts10

2 ай бұрын

​@@Colorieynope. It sounds a bit different because of the speed and lil pitch. Otherwise it would sound same 💀

@dunemae

2 ай бұрын

@@ColorieyA coincidence? Girl

what I find most interesting is that TEDDY is not a part of babymonster's production but it sounds like they tried to make someone he'd make? I know he did have his formula for blackpink but 2ne1 and blackpink are still at least somewhat distinct soundwise while sheesh genuinely sounds like they had full intent to give it to blackpink. it's definitely feels like yg is doing this gimmick to see how far it can get him. I do like batter up, sheesh I don't care for that much but it's not a bad song just gimmicky

I accidentally replace B A B Y M O N with Black Pink In Your Ar-e-a and now I’m thinking even more how Sheesh could’ve easily been a BP reject 😭. My hope is that YG is using BP’s success as a backdoor to get BM up and running as smash hit before delving into their own sound once it’s been established. It’s a cheap move, but I can understand that. All I know is if the keep up with the "younger sister" vibe, they may become successful, but it will also come with a lot of backlash and hate for the girls.

one more thing to mention, I agree that Babymonster will also follow the same hiatus pattern its senior girl groups had.

@Riya-tm5fs

2 ай бұрын

yeah maybe after they make atleast good enough buzz in korea. if they get that in korea, they would've probably created more buzz internationally. but i wonder how long its going to take considering the huge scale successes of other GGs and upcoming potential big GGs like the tblngg and smngg. i feel like only if they have atleast a moderate hit that the gp likes then only the hiatus pattern would make sense. then only they will have that anticipation and everyone tuning in for what's next. and from what i see i can't tell whether coming back frequently or having hiatus in between is better since the competition is so tight lol

@PheracyMirage

2 ай бұрын

the long hiatus pattern won't create buzz if the music isnt something to get excited about since their title tracks sound recycled

Sike! This isn’t the real debut. It’s been delayed a third time.

@Alabts

2 ай бұрын

What??? How can you even change the debut date and song??

@cutecorgiis5230

2 ай бұрын

lmaoo

@sixonepm

2 ай бұрын

...I'm tired of modern K-Pop

The ending part feels like deja vu I swear 😭 blinks said the same thing “oh yg is just testing this marketing strategy (few comebacks), he’s a genius he knows what he’s doing, he’s trying a new strategy with the girls be patient. And what did blinks get… 1 comeback every 2-3 years with only 2 full albums in their 7 year run. the girls are incredibly talented and that’s something no one can take away but if you think their sound will change idk what to tell y’all. YG isn’t doing a testing ground he just refuses to change sounds. Hope this doesn’t come off rude but I’m not so optimistic when it comes to YG 😭

It’s the fact that YG has only been able to make one type of girl group for 15 years for me.

I agree with you, I hope they will build their own name with their own songs. they are very talented, worked for this for a long time and they totally deserve it. I don't want them to be compared to be Blackpink for the rest of their career, being labeled as carbon copy of Blackpink. People might not say anything for now, but one or more releases like Sheesh or Batter up and they will be called Blackpink wannabes.

Let me say that I’m not a BP stan nor a BM stan & the last time I enjoyed a YG group was 2NE1, but I saw Sheesh MV and was like… damn, these girls are crazy good actresses, dancers, just overall serving baddie but the MUSIC is so dated. I feel bad for them!

Regardless of how Babymonster obviously takes huge cues (is trying to be the new?) Blackpink, the biggest crime to me is well... Not even a hot take, but SHEESH had me *until* the chorus. Then I had to turn the volume down and cringe out of my skin.

@mavisamevorshie1302

2 ай бұрын

It is a choice to like the chorus,you might not but I like it.

@Queencard_Hearts

2 ай бұрын

@@mavisamevorshie1302 I'm aware people have different opinions, this isn't news.

@dariya1873

2 ай бұрын

@@Queencard_Heartsthis is why I can never like YG music, the chorus is never to my liking 😭

I swear if this group turns into another what could have been or talent not used like it could have been just like bp...m

6:39 This reminds me of that rant video that CarKpop released recently. He's talking about rap specifically, but he voices a lot of the same concerns as you regarding Babymonster

I wonder if YG are doing this because they saw how dedicated Blinks became after the backlash BlackPink got in their debut. Hear me out. Groups with bad debuts such as Nmixx gather very intense dedicated fanbases because of their need to defend idols talents. Now add that to the defensiveness that we saw Blinks develop to protect BlackPink from the hate they got for replacing 2ne1 (and just being a 2ne1 copycat, which sounds familiar) and you get a ruthless, die for their idol type of fanbase. I may be wrong but if I give props to YG on anything is their unconventional marketing tactics.

@Riya-tm5fs

2 ай бұрын

that makes sense actually

@xXxNeonPrincessxXx

2 ай бұрын

The thing was Blackpink had a good song on their debut for their time and it was way different than 2ne1's sound and formula. Also despite Blackpink's backlash they were an instant hit with the General Public. Idk why people seem to forget it but their debut song is still the earliest to hit PAK, they're still the earliest idols to hit that record which is in just 6 days. A feat that is still not defeated to this day and would be pretty hard to. While Baby Monster still can't even hit the top 100 in Melon. Baby Monster fans are actually very dedicated as from what I can see, they're very reminiscent of BLINKs (maybe because most of them are) but the difference is they don't have the GPs support like BP has because the market has evolved. YG can't use the same tactic he has once used. Not when people's preferences has evolved. Fans can be as dedicated as they want to but if you don't catch the GPs attention you're not gonna get as far.

@Riya-tm5fs

2 ай бұрын

@@xXxNeonPrincessxXx you're right

@kuhieyei3855

2 ай бұрын

Lol blacklink has crazy good song like As If Its Your Last, sheesh is not even 20% of what AIIYL as a song.

@lluuii

2 ай бұрын

@@xXxNeonPrincessxXx Definitely agree BlackPink's debut was insane! But as I said this might be a strategy. Giving bad songs to talented groups gets people talking and most importantly creates loyal and defensive fandoms. Think about Nmixx, O.O kept people talking about them and hyping up their talent. I think only time will tell. Like it or not Teddy kept producing hit after hit and these songs just sound like Walmart copies of his work. If they keep trying to copy his style then all this backlash will be for nothing because people will get tired.

What stood out to me is that the whispered section really works. It pays off the Monster part of their name. The trouble is that the Blackpink comparison is unavoidable and the song's lyrics don't seem to have an answer for how one should feel about it, which is pretty important for establishing a group identity. Lastly, I find it delightful that the part of the pre-chorus that goes "piona, all eyes on me" sounds like a Le Sserafim and Izone reference.

If making songs that sound IDENTICAL to Blackpink's is YG's strategy to have people talk about baby monster and make them relevant, dude, I just feel bad for them. It's like they prioritise vitality over creating a fan base and showing the girls' talents or even worse, they just don't care about the mental issues that can have on the girls

Honestly yg should step up and introduces new concept. Look at NewJeans, their songs are not only good, their concept is fresh and attractive!

The girls are so talented they deserve better. I did like the outro though and it was great to see Ahyeon complete the group.

The most notorious thing about their songs is that you can tell yg is trying to copy the teddy formula + the bp aesthetic but the song sounds underdeveloped, unfinished, still lacking something. These girls are good, the rappers are probably the best out of 5th gen but they are giving them bad lyrics like “boom boom pow peekaboo hoo” its a little 🥲 they can do way better than what they’re giving to them

RapLine:This is blessing to your ears Next line: hipty hop boom boom pow They are being set up😅

Tbh, I don't stan YG groups nowadays (especially their girl groups) because they tryna maintain this legacy of being a powerhouse in music with bold and edgy rhythms although it is getting... plain? I mean, there's nothing wrong with it, but it feels redundant and tends to sound "accurately" similar to their other groups. I feel like BM is the lab bunny of YG at this point. It is kinda ironic they tryna play safe when they engrave "bold" on their music style. Sorry, but 2NE1 should take more credit from YG because they literally put the company on the map.

@Cherylmayblii

2 ай бұрын

Right ?? 0 noteworthy creativity is being put into this group. Yg artists tend to maintain this “I’m badass and so much better than u” Image, yet babymonster’s music just feels so recycled and low-effort. It’s like they stepped back, looked at all of their major hits in the recent years, and simply just recreated those. These girls are very talented, but their music direction is just so dated and overdone. It feels like yg just isn’t even trying anymore.

I haven't ever been a fan of any YG group. I always give every comeback a chance but I'm one of those people where that style just isn't for me. And so I was indifferent to both 2NE1, Blackpink, and now Babymonster. From an outside perspective, the thing with Babymonster is that the formula isn't working quite the way it did for their predecessors. Both BP and 2NE1 were topping digital charts the moment they debuted, but Babymonster has yet to break the melon top 100. So why stick to this formula that doesn't properly showcase their potential if it's also not gaining them enough success to rival peer groups?

I love Babymonster as a group, they're TALENTED, and I love listening to their vocals. You tell me all Chiquita, Pharita, Rami, and Ahyeon are all in the same group and it's not even that vocally focused group? I'm not kidding when I say that they could really show it in an NMIXX type of way, but unfortunately, they're under YG, so I'm a bit skeptical in that regard. And it's not only vocals, I love Chiquita's and Rami's presence, but I can't really judge that as much, since as far as I'm aware, there aren't any music show performances and fancams. What I definitely can judge, is everything about Asa and I will praise that girl into oblivion because she's insane. Her tone just scratches my eardrums in a way that makes me obsessed with every line she sings instantly. Also, I don't know much about rap, but her flow seems super cool. She put Chiquita on the bench the moment I heard her voice, love them both though. I haven't listened to their whole minialbum yet, cause I'm honestly scared, I won't like it, cause that Sheesh chorus is anything, but my cup of tea and it makes me sad because I really like some parts of the song. I knew the pre-chorus was reminding me of a Blackpink pre-chorus, but I couldn't really put my hand on it, so thank you for clearing that up. I don't know, it's just the thing with YG that whether I like it or not, they're not gonna change and sometimes it really works for me, but this time not as much.

so many of blackpinks songs are 2ne1 demos, so do any yg groups really have their own individual sound?

those copy paste parts are pretty obvious, the pre-chours progression toward the chorus sounds just like Pink Venom or any other Blackpink song to me. on the other hand Like That which is produced by someone who is totally outside of YG sounded way more better and did justice to girls' vocals and rapping skills. for next comeback they can go with R&B sound, but I don't think YG takes this path.

I don't understand why people deny it but Babymon's title tracks are literally just the same formula as any Blackpink title tracks. Their title songs have the same structure and even line distribution. The only difference is that their songs has higher notes. It's almost frustrating seeing this old formula being used in such talented girls after so much has changed in Kpop. You honestly can't keep them in a box with pretty sets anymore. Not when other artists are releasing MVs that are very cinematic. You can't keep the same formula when other artists are producing very experimental music. Even the formula for a Kpop song has already changed. Keeping the same structure just feels very dated and would keep them in BPs shadow.

Not the fade out to the turn this on clip, I rewatched that so many times lmaoooo

i think trying to purposely invoke blackpink in any new yg girl group is smart short-term from a financial perspective (more eyes on the group from casual kpop listeners who may have a limited experience with kpop with bp potentially being one of their only frames of reference for music as well as blinks because it’ll be like blackpink 2 for them and if they already like the yg formula, they’ll have little to no complaints) but harmful from an artistic stance long-term. it cannot be good for a group’s identity to be tied to a much more popular one, if you’re genuinely interested in managing a group in a way where you want it to stand on its own at some point. it feels borderline malicious to do this. i like blackpink a lot but just doing their whole shtick repeatedly until the end of time does not give me faith for this group’s future. it gets tedious after a while. considering the fact it works and people will listen, i don’t know what can be done to force yg to course correct, if such a thing is even possible for them. if this was a group from a lesser known company i think they would be rejected on a wider scale for trying to follow what made blackpink successful. the trend following would backfire heavily in that circumstance

Even my friend who potentially doesnt listen to kpop said that sheesh sounds like hylt 😭

The love to hate me comparisons are just similar chord progressions used in music. Listen to In & Out by Red Velvet and Love Nwanti by Ckay you’ll hear it.

It’s absolutely crazy how long and prevalent the YG formula has been used, I think YG has dug such a deep grave with their musical features that cannot escape and maybe that’s a good marketing things but is such a loss of potential for the members unfortunately. Also the Nintendo music in the background and the editing >>>

I love that you spoke abt the talents being wasted. Ignoring how much I do or don't enjoy their music, this formula and appraoch to making music really doesn't work for Babymonster. I haven't even bothered to look into them properly but the group is full of good rappers and singers and I feel like they need to do stuff that is musically independent of everything YG has done in the past. Similarly to Treasure, this group rlly needs to have a strong identity of its own from early on. With this type of music they're forever gonna be stuck and stunted within this box that YG and fans have created when they rlly don't need to be. I personally have no bad feelings towards to group itself aside from nonchalance. I really want to be excited abt them but there's nothing abt the music that makes them anything more from "just a YG group" in my head. There's nothing for me to latch onto. Even when I wasn't vibing with NMIXX's music I still kept up with the group cuz they had something to their name showcased the members talents effectively, regardless of music quality. I really hope YG switches up and does something different for Babymonster. Currently I feel like I'll probably only have the ballads to latch onto cuz, imo, YG r the best at making ballds, especially ones that suit their vocalists (ironic, ngl).

Shit. It's become a cycle at this point. They did this with 2NE1, Blackpink and now Baby Monster

Regarding baemon themselves, they seem to really vibe with YG style as seen in the bts filming of stuck in the middle. I’d say the only that the company can do is find a middle ground with their traditional style and something unique for the group similar to SM. Imo, I think sheesh is getting closer to that but even if they get there the formulaic discussion won’t end. GZBKarma said it best in her reaction “YG can’t really win regardless of what they put out” Love the video btw! You always bring great insight.

The biggest problem with Babymonster is that their consept is exactly the same as Blackpink's. I thought that BM was supposed to be more hiphop focused but their songs are 100% made for BP. I expected them to have different styling and aesthetic but everything screams BP. I don't get it why YG didn't even attempt to create an indebendent consept for BM. It's complete BS that because they're a YG group so they have to be a copy+paste of BP. Other companies don't have a problem making each group their own identity. IMO they could've taken inspiration from 90s hiphop and r&b music, make it trendy and k-poppy, maybe even the styling could've 90s hiphop influence but in teencrush way. Heck, they could've gone for 2NE1 nostalgia route. Also, they should shoot MVs outside so they don't look like BP MVs.

as much as i do think sheesh deserves criticism as a lot of songs do, i actually weirdly unironically like sheesh 😭😭😭 idk it reminds me of songs i used to listen to at 11. do i think it could be better? absolutely, it feels like most of the members are hidden in the shadows & the outro is just sooo annoying at this point like give it a rest, but i do enjoy the song 😭😭

These girls have a lot of talent and potential and the fact that the tracklists in BABYMONS7ER are very random and i feel like it's more of a playlist than an EP...

THANK YOU ! Finally, someone said it ! It's not that we hate babymoster which is why we are so disappointed with sheesh. But the members are literally too talented to be a Frankenstein group of blackpink to the point where their mvs just look like blackpink songs with more members !

That why Babymonster is both a lucky and cursed group at the same time,lucky that they are in a Kpop heritage under star making YG , cursed for the same reason that they are debut under YG, and probably will always be remembered as the immediate successor of the most famous K-pop girl group in history 😢

yg successfully replaced 2ne1 with blackpink, with the same aesthetic and same sound. and they had even greater success. why would they think they can't do it again? blackpink's fans showed yg exactly how replaceable the actual members are, they could just switch out the 2ne1 members for 'prettier' counterparts and the fans would eat it up. as long as fans keep giving them money, yg has no incentive to change their winning formula

To be honest I agree, we all know yg uses the same formula, I don’t think we should be surprised 😭 just take that disgusting chorus out and it would be a decent song sfvvxxbhv

Tbh I don’t think baemon will be able break free from any comparisons in general bc a lot of compared stuck in the middle’s concept to aespa and batter up’s concepts to itzy as if the latter groups invented those themes. There will inevitably be a point where stans just the force topic leading to unnecessary vitriol.

In kpop, the worst thing that can happen is your song NOT being talked about. The companies will do just about anything for that, 'no publicity is bad publicity'. The comments on Batter Up/ Sheesh being 99% "this sounds like Blackpink!!" is much preferable to people being like "Uhhh this is boring I'm out" But now more and more people are listening to the songs to see for themselves.

@bunniemels

2 ай бұрын

Hopefully they'll get their unique sound, the girls are way too much talented to be in BP's shadow

This video summed up my emotions perfectly, new subscriber. ♥

These girls deserve way more than to be considered for even a second as a 7-member BP.

At this point it's not art it's just entertainment.

Omg the wii intro music its sooo nostalgic WAIT IS THIS GONNA BE YOUR NEW INTRO FOR NOW ON? HELL YEAAAAAA

honestly yg is causing its own downfall, in a gen where the groups that debut are experimenting so much with what kpop should sound like, coming up with the same concept and sound is not a good move at all imo

The label absolutely disregards the importance of creativity. I need at least a little bit of it. All their new songs just feel so formulaic. It is insulting the intelligence of the people who enjoy blackpink's music. Though the target audience is very young and generally not really educated regarding music. I'm interested in the company's business, brand image, anything but the music in itself. It's a shame. It all works from a business standpoint because, it's a reality, the kpop audience is much younger than the general music fans. Still, there are groups from the new generation that manage to appeal to a broader audience. The hardest part for labels is actually making good art while maintaining a financial success. YG completely gave up on that.

i am not the biggest fan of sheesh chorus but i love the other parts of song and tbh sheesh grew on me and i do think how batter up got me playing it sheesh will too and i feel like this formula will continue to work since bm already has a good fandom but this will get them the same hate that bp got with the 2ne1 similarities and it’s way more noticeable then before some one said yg created the same gg 3 times and i don’t disagree kinda the sad part for sheesh is it had potential show more vocals but they didn’t

@savagestation5653

2 ай бұрын

The babymon part just ruined the chorus for me.

OH the intro 😭😭 slayyy

Me too. I want them to win too. Like i don't stan YG but these girls are so talented and the fact that their vocals are that strong! I just heard them sing live and i lost my marbles. I just want them to get the space to truly make music that they can establish and showcase their identity

i saw the cleo reference in the intro & i had to subscribe just from that lmaoooo

I honestly enjoy the songs so much, but I would just like to hear something different from them. They are good at singing and rapping so I'm waiting for a less childish song from them.

Baby monster using all the unreleased black pink songs made during the annual black pink 2 year break

They literally should’ve just given these songs to black pink. I remember someone making an ai black pink cover of batter up and it works better which is a shame to the girls of baby monster. They just need a fresh sound. Tbh black pink was kinda starving for a fresh sound too, but they never released enough music to explore that.

YES! EXACTLY! ALL OF THIS!!!!!! Honestly, I love SHEESH. It goes hard and I actually like it more than the BP songs it was recycling haha. BUT, as much as I understand "it's the YG sound, this is the YG formula"... I want more for them! They are soooo talented and it is sad that no matter how well they sing, dance, or rap, they're automatically going to be compared to BP. And that isn't cuz we're "YG haters" or whatever. It's cuz YG is intentionally leaning so hard on the formulaic sound they used for all of BP's music; they're setting these girls up!!! And that isn't fair to idols who are genuinely so talented and hardworking. They deserve a chance to be seen and recognized for their own skills and abilities, not just overshadowed or put into an unnecessary competition with a senior group before they've even really started their career. *phew... I have so many feelings about this. hahaha.

The betryal I felt when I found out the only part of Sheesh I liked was a rip from Love to hate me😑 poor girls can have anything for themselves. Love to hate me is a great song and Unlike Sheesh all parts of it is good. Babymon are talented lets hope they get better stuff in future

omg good morning choujimi

I agree with some of the comments.Personally the yg formula is exhaustive but hearing Sheesh just gets me excited especially with the changes in the song. Yg has different producers so it won't be surprising if they have different choices to choose but they keep moving back to the same formula.I don't know what is in-store but I'm hoping that whatever they produce will sound good and at least stop people from comparing the girls to BM.

I was listening to Sheesh the other day and even I, who doesn't listen to BP's music all that much, noticed the obvious reference in the outro. I definitely agree with you that BM deserves so much more from YG than what they're given right now!

Sheesh just sounds exactly like a late BlackPink starter pack: Middle eastern samples Sparse chorus/spelling "Click Clack" "Boom Boom" "Vroom Vroom" "Brrrrrrrr"

I actually never thought if this was a marketing strategy. It makes sense and it works ( I guess).

2NE1 is the Blueprint for every YG girl group, they don't want to let go of their formula for their GG but they experiment a lot with their BG

I don't know when, I want to talk about a lot of problems I had with the k-pop community since I started to do reactions on my channel. As I said I don't know when I will do that video, but I will suggest to see your video. I think was a perfect way to make a critic 👌

I don't think Babymonster will be going on a long hiatus like 2NE1 and BP did tbh. unfortunately they aren't charting too well domestically and internationally right now and don't have the general publics attention yet, so going on a long hiatus would hurt them.

My problem with sheesh is yg is going with the current trend in k-pop with less than 3 minutes for their title track. And knowing that baemon consist of good vocalist and rappers, it feels so unfortunate to give them such a short time to showcase their potential. And tbh i feel like it will be interesting if for the next cb they willing to put non-typical yg title track (3rd-4th gen era), for example Like That in their debut album as their title track. I mean their sunbae is also 2ne1, they can explore more.

For me this type of song is typical YG style which lyric and ryhtm use to annouce to the public at the sametime sent the massage to the rival groups, or the hater which YG do this all the time. But it too early to jugde the future of BM, they just have the official debute not event a month yet. They are very talented and YG will not stupid enough to create BP 2 version. In my opinion YG 's target audiance are not young teenager but older than that, (who can effort the YG expensive concert ticket). This only market test, all their 5 songs give us 4 different vibe which one will be drive and hype the audiance. We have to be patient to see how they grown up under YG management that YG should learn their mistake with BP in the past. We have to wait until the full album come out this fall. Be patient guy, don't rush to judge them yet. Btw I love BM.

I think BM is an easy fix since all the girls are EXTREMELY talented. They even have other songs on this album with a less BP vibe (Like That, SitM, Dream). All they really need is their own identity away from BP. That is mainly up to YG to give them their own style but also we as fans need to stop (or at least drastically decrease) the "Their Blackpink’s baby sister 😍" mentality.

@gyal7892

2 ай бұрын

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@cutecorgiis5230

2 ай бұрын

it's kinda hard to separate them from bp when even YG themselves constantly market them as blackpink's baby sisters.

I hope hiatus strategy doesn't impliment on BM...

I agree, while I like SHEESH much more than Batter Up my favorite parts of both songs are where BABYMONSTER definitely outshines Blackpink - its rap parts. Teddy and YG’s pen literally haunts me at night when I look back on the utter state of Blackpink’s bars. It has gotten to the point that I can’t even remember that 2NE1 used to be under their label and BABYMONSTER has been a genuine breath of fresh air.

I am feeling like after BP people are really wanting BM to fail. Quite like what they’re doing. Just judge them as BM and not as the successors to BP.

Both Batter up and Sheesh were scrapped and leaked Blackpink demos from As if it’s your last. Someone pointed out you could still hear Blackpinks backing vocals in Sheesh. I can’t Un hear it now. However I like both songs so…

In batter up, I feel like the lyrics were on the nose references to 2ne1 and blackpinks career - Sheesh also has subtle lyrical components that I have notices that also refer to Blackpink and 2ne1 - I just hope YG let’s become their own artists without referring to the success of their prior girl groups

I will say that I want to hear a full track generated from the whispered outro - that part made me sit up and pay attention. I'm wearing my bias on my sleeve but I am starving for a big 4 company to lean fully into supernatural/horror as part of a group's concept (a la Purple Kiss & Nature's Girls comeback) and I think BM could do it. One can argue this would be mirroring Black Pink again, but to me BP only ever really dabbled in lite-horror visuals mostly with Jisoo and sometimes Rosé. BabyMonster have the potential to do horror or at least the paranormal, particularly if they lean into the 'Monster' aspect of their title. But darker concepts tend to do a lot better internationally than they do in South Korea so I know my hopes are unlikely become reality.

i hope u make a video on midas touch

Don't worry, Babymonster will have a full album before this year ended along side with Blackpink new album. Babymonster's mini album has gained total sales 401k copies sales from April 1-7, but thats not included from pre-order which reported more than 450k pre-orders from Feb 28-March 31. As Rora said on the interview they will work hard to bring their own identity.

I hope they find their own sound... Babymonster, FIGHTINGG

Honestly i love sheesh with all my heart idgaf 😭

The difference though is how the formula was carried out by the members. When Blackpink debuted they could easily differentiate themselves from 2ne1 they knew that they were not as though, could not carry the sort of tough girl aesthetic 2ne1 had. They were all very ultra feminine and that shines through even when they talk. That’s what the public fell in love with and that’s what created what Blackpink is today. Even though the music they make is still very girl boss but it’s done in a way that it’s still very ultra feminine and you can associate them with very ultra feminine fashion. Babymon unfortunately will not have the same effect, they are still very young. So they will do whatever the company tells them to simply because they trust that this will be what brings them at their peak.

sheesh song is like karma by jojo cause like wtf is this...I'll just wait for another song from them cuz sheesh is actually hot fire garbage. Idk how ppl listen to that and nod their head 😭 Everything down from the video with the hylt dress and door open scene with pink venom and the duo scene in kill this love. The imitation is palpable. Many would say they are the daughters and yes I would agree. But these songs are actual hot ass. The fact that I learned their name was a rejected Blackpink name already dont sound right. They are talented and I want to see them shine but rn its giving jojo siwa