In a world where Ninja Turtles are teaming up with Batman and the Power Rangers, He-man and She Ra have to stay worlds apart.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Crazy right~!

@nicholasdickens2801

3 жыл бұрын

I know. Makes no sense! :(

@StareachValcin

3 жыл бұрын

This frustrates me especially since Adam and Adora are twins. They are family, yet they are being separated both in universe and out of universe. I still hope that they will be together on screen in the future.

@gibranlewis7300

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Maybe you can help clear up, if you know authoritatively: I HATE that the studious have been behaving as if Hordak was in charge of their executive board, repeatedly separating the twins ( He-Man & She-Ra ) just like Hordak & Skeletor did in She-Ra's origin story ( do these company's creatives & execs realize they are literally emulating one of the most infamously wicked crimes committed by in the original series by main villains Hordak & Skeletor??!!). The basics are that NBCUniversal, through Dreamworks, owns all the television rights to BOTH He-Man & She-Ra, though Mattel Creations/Television is credited as co-producer on the 2016-1020 She-Ra, and as a main producer on He-Man Revelations: but what is the actual deal?? Does Dreamworks have exclusive He-Man tv rights, or is Mattel somehow able to separately make shows based exclusively on the toys, and if the latter is the case, shouldn't they still be able to at least use She-Ra herself ( as well as Catra and possibly Bow ) since those characters, especially She-Ra, were produced as Mattel toys BEFORE the Filmation movie & show begain, & had minicomics ( again, dated & copyrighted in back as 1984 www.he-man.org/publishing/item.php?id=726&image=18968 , BEFOE the movie & show ) that differed in many design areas ( though the origin story of her being He-Man's twin sister, abducted by Hordak as an infant, remained constant in all original iterations ) from the cartoon version??

@gibranlewis7300

2 жыл бұрын

@@StareachValcin I HATE that the studious have been behaving as if Hordak was in charge of their executive board, repeatedly separating the twins ( He-Man & She-Ra ) just like Hordak & Skeletor did in She-Ra's origin story ( do these company's creatives & execs realize they are literally emulating one of the most infamously wicked crimes committed by in the original series by main villains Hordak & Skeletor??!!).

It's kind of funny how Predator and Alien became so connected that crossover between them is the first thing which comes to mind, but She-Ra and He-Man got divided behind the scenes when origin of one takes roots from lore of the other. Originally I thought new She-Ra show being separate from He-Man was novel idea from writers, but the fact it's some IP shenanigans is weird.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yes quite ironic in the big picture!

I’m sure it’s possible for He-Man and She-Ra to appear together in “entertainment”, however it would involve negotiations, legal agreements and financial arrangements. Perhaps too much hassle than it’s worth

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Never an easy way out

@legendarytoys

3 жыл бұрын

If sony n marvel can share spider man . Im sure they can also

@TheTurnipKing

3 жыл бұрын

Certainly it might well COST more than it would be worth.

@gibranlewis7300

2 жыл бұрын

as far as toon franchises go, it's as worth it as it gets: I HATE that the studious have been behaving as if Hordak was in charge of their executive board, repeatedly separating the twins ( He-Man & She-Ra ) just like Hordak & Skeletor did in She-Ra's origin story ( do these company's creatives & execs realize they are literally emulating one of the most infamously wicked crimes committed by in the original series by main villains Hordak & Skeletor??!!).

@GodwinXZ

2 жыл бұрын

It won’t happen. If the Sorceress didn’t contact Adora when Adam died, she never will.

Geez, what a mess! I'm wondering if they can appear together if both licences are aquired at the onset. This doesn't apply to the comics obviously because she was in those. I'm really glad you guys got them out for classics because that line rocked . Anyway, this makes my head hurt 😆

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

My head too

@frankpetersen3090

3 жыл бұрын

This is so f’d up.

I was talking to someone years ago that swore the Horde was based on classic Universal Movie Monsters. Hordak was Dracula, Grizzlor the Wolfman, Leech the Creature from the Black Lagoon and Modulok was Frankenstein (The unproduced Horde Mummy seems obvious). I have no idea if that was true but I always liked the theory.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

From what I hear, Hordak was based on an African Mask hanging in the Mattel design area.

Getting She-Ra out of the MOTU mythos is a big mistake.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Huge

@Maketaurie

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 I want to see what they will do with the new MTOU Revelations series if the series are the continuation of the 80s series.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Adding She-Ra to a trilogy of movies (1. He-Man vs Skeletor, 2. Invasion of Horde with Adora/Despara, 3. Rise of She-Ra, team-up to take out Hordak). Probably the best story you could get out of a series of movies, but Mattel...Nah...DUMB

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

More ridiculous than the plot to Rise of Skywalker?

@JinzoCrash

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 There was a plot? I just saw a bunch of unrelated scene recreations culminating in ripping off Davros / Matt Smith Doctor Who at the end.

Reminds me of how CBS & Paramount screwed-up Star Trek by splitting up the rights, and no good came of it.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, that was a mess!

@JeffreyPiatt

3 жыл бұрын

At the time both were owned by the same holding company still National Amusments A movie theater chain.

I saw some recent comics where He-Man and She-Ra appeared together.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Comics don't count. They are not considered "entertainment"!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, comics are not considered entertainment. It is how we did the mini comics

@nicholasdickens2801

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Ah the mind of corporate ‘creative types’ you work for.

@truck6859

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 🙂👍

@truck6859

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 The mini-comics rocked! They represented some whimsical and fun storytelling to give us something to enjoy.

I personally think that He-man and She-ra need to be reunited on screen. Adora and Adam can handle their own shows, family should be together.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oh they do! If only the rights holders could work things out

@gibranlewis7300

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 sorry to be repetitive, trying to get an answer on this: Maybe you can help clear up, if you know authoritatively: I HATE that the studious have been behaving as if Hordak was in charge of their executive board, repeatedly separating the twins ( He-Man & She-Ra ) just like Hordak & Skeletor did in She-Ra's origin story ( do these company's creatives & execs realize they are literally emulating one of the most infamously wicked crimes committed by in the original series by main villains Hordak & Skeletor??!!). The basics are that NBCUniversal, through Dreamworks, owns all the television rights to BOTH He-Man & She-Ra, though Mattel Creations/Television is credited as co-producer on the 2016-1020 She-Ra, and as a main producer on He-Man Revelations: but what is the actual deal?? Does Dreamworks have exclusive He-Man tv rights, or is Mattel somehow able to separately make shows based exclusively on the toys, and if the latter is the case, shouldn't they still be able to at least use She-Ra herself ( as well as Catra and possibly Bow ) since those characters, especially She-Ra, were produced as Mattel toys BEFORE the Filmation movie [ which was released nationwide in theaters before the show aired, made nearly 4 times it's 2million dollar budget, and was the only theatrical movie ever made of either original cartoon ) & show began, & had minicomics ( again, dated & copyrighted in back as 1984 www.he-man.org/publishing/item.php?id=726&image=18968 , BEFOE the movie & show ) that differed in many design areas ( though the origin story of her being He-Man's twin sister, abducted by Hordak as an infant, remained constant in all original iterations ) from the cartoon version?? ( also, P.S., can't Dreamworks use He-Man as he appears in the Filmation catalouge, which they own, and since the rights to the entire MOTU franchise turn over to NBCUniversal in 2023, do you think they will fully & permanently unify the brand??)

This is why Copyright should be shortened back to 28 years. Thanks for this Disney

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

One day Micky will be in public domain

Secret of the sword was a theatrical release that was in theaters the weekend before the premiere of the TV series. Which it turns out the first five episodes of She-Ra were The Secret of the Sword in five parts. So fans had to wait a whole week after the premiere to see new episodes they hadn't seen yet.

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and then split up into 5 episodes

“It’s 1984, and we’ve got tons of females buying Masters Of The Universe, so there’s only one thing we need to do now!” “Introducing Princess Of Power! But I think we should keep The Evil Horde and Hordak in Masters Of The Universe.” 35 years and so on: “It is a completely separate brand now.”

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly yes

Interestingly, the Netflicks She-Ra show incorporated a version of Mara from The New Adventures of He-Man as the previous incarnation of She-Ra before Adora got the sword, but it was subtle enough that only a super fan would have even realized the connection.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

You know I'm not sure if I saw that. But I also saw very little of the show. Cool nod however!

@marvelcomicsgeek1979

3 жыл бұрын

They are also able to mention Eternia & Grayskull even though those two names originated with the Masters line.

Sad; regardless of how good or bad the new shows are, I still consider the brother/sister relationship to be an important part of what made the 'MOTU-IP' work, at least for me. Growing up, my brother and I didn't have much we agreed on, let alone played together, but this was one thing we both enjoyed. I saw He-Man and She-Ra's relationship as a sort of parallel to my own. =( =)

Thank you for your content! It truly has brightened my lockdown days. One question, the male figure with the crown at around 14:28 in front of Sea Hawk is Micah right? I thought I got all POP figures but never saw that one though it has been a while. That must have been a custom by someone or did I miss some cool release? (Sorry if someone else asked this somewhere already. 😀 )

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

That is wonderful to hear! Thank you, I am most grateful for your comment. That bearded figure is a fan custom.

She-ra and some of her supporting characters were also in the 2012 DC comics series.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

See tomorrow's video!

@Nergalsama01

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, mostly to be slaughtered and be given the grimdark treatment. >_> Adora's character arc was good, overall, though.

Unsure if you watched the Netflix series but in one episode, it was alluded that She-Ra is from another planet as is her sword. I believe it even mentioned Grayskull. So maybe not all is lost.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

The She -Ra series, yeah I didn't make it through that

Have you watched the Netflix She-Ra series? I watched the first season when it dropped because it pissed off so many horrible people, and really enjoyed it. But didn't get around to watching season 2-5. Until 2 days ago after watching this video. Watching tons of Pixel Dan reviews and tons of your MOTU lore videos really enhanced my enjoyment of the show. I'm about to finish the last episode of season 4 and then watch season 5.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I have a hard time making it through it

@mickdansforth8929

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 If you can get over how girly it is, it's really good. Horde Prime is the Big Bad of season 5.

>SIGH I hope Mattel sorts this mess out, because it's forcing re-writes and retcons, and if there's one thing fans don't like, it's change to their beloved properties. You only have to read the internet comments about anything related to any fandom to see that. ⚠ WARNING ⚠ DO NOT READ ANY INTERNET COMMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING RELATED TO ANY FANDOM! LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO GET WRAPPED UP IN SPITTLE-FLECKED EXTREMIST (AND FREQUENTLY MISSPELT) RANTS WHICH TURN APPALLINGLY NASTY IN A HEARBEAT.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

We all hope this is worked out!

@JeffreyPiatt

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck resolving anything with Comcast support.

Although the characters met, it was only briefly. We never saw Teela and Adora/She-Ra interact except for two seconds of acknowledgement.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Like a nod and a wink

Thank you so much for this video! I've been wondering what was going on with the separation of brands. I'm glad that we're still able to get POP figures in the lines but they need to combine the brands back together. It makes no sense. Too much confusion and you can't have He-Man without She-Ra and vice versa. Not a fan of the Netflix series.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. This is the rationale, or at least the legal reasons

@JeffreyPiatt

3 жыл бұрын

Annoyingly UT explains why Mattel kind of ditched the reboot with one wave of late S1 toys as target exclusives they licenced the show just for the classic doll rights and abandoned a market of fans for selling retooled molds from the 80's at Wal-Mart.

Rights issues are what ALWAYS ruin EVERYTHING. At least with picture media, you can have the fans harvest their old recordings (like the way Beavis and Butt-Head fans sent "King Turd" their VHS tapes to restore all the music video commentary, or "The Daria Project" restoring background tunes). Still ruins future content though.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Its true. Just look at Star Trek

@Spector Creative 1st, I'm a little mild ocd about keeping my youtube subscriptions trim atm, but I so appreciate your He-Man&She-Ra fandom & expertise, & I so admire your commitment to responding to those who post on your videos, that I went ahead & subscribed. 2nd... I'm still having consternation & confusion over why @Mattel has played so shy about using She-Ra & including her in their He-Man reboots. I understand that Classics Media semi-split the FILMATION He-Man/She-Ra franchise ( easy enough to remedy on Dreamworks end by just unifying & running fully Filmation based He-Man&She-Ra content together again )... but that shouldn't have had any effect on Mattel's rights to make content based on the earlier She-Ra toys & pre-existing toy prototypes, anymore than it did with He-Man & especially Hordak. Mattel's She-Ra & Catra toys & minicomics predate the FILMATION He-Man/She-Ra movie, and even further predate Filmation's She-Ra series airing ( to quote Gandalf regarding the 3 Rings of The Elves, & Sauron, "...his hand has never touched nor sullied them", [ meaning NO disrespect to Filmation: their hand did a wonderful job with He-Man & She-Ra in many ways, & they certainly did a MUCH better job of keeping MOTU&POP unified, rather than the offensively divisive mess 80s Mattel did with that aspect... if they'd been more thorough about keeping the unity in the minicomics, they'd have had less ip ambiguity later down the road, & we wouldn't be having this discussion]). The She-Ra & Catra toys have significant differences from their filmation variants etc. And the core story, from Hordak's classic/archiac ( & narrative gold ) mythic/fairytale abduction of Adora "Suffer all Eternia, I, Hordak... have come to claim my prize...", to the essential revelation of Adora/She-Ra & Adam/He-Man being twins, to her birth name being Adora, all are present in the 1984 Story of She-Ra minicomic, as is a particularly powerful & pretty version of Catra. Mattel shouldn't have any greater problem creating content with She-Ra, so long as it is based on their 1984 copyrights & illustrations of the character, than they do using He-Man, & ESPECIALLY no more problems than they do in using characters who were created after the FILMATION collaboration began, like Orko, Hordak, The Horde etc. ( Orko was specifically created for the Filmation show, & voiced by company president Lou Schimmer, for goodness sake, but it didn't stop him appearing in both the 2002 & MOTU:revelation reboots ). I read a comment of yours about Mattel not using the fact that their blue-skinned Hordak ( via his, possibly first published appearances in the, produced at about the same time, 1984 "The Story of She-Ra" & "Grizzlor: the legend comes alive" minicomics [ I do note your commentary regarding the Bruce Timm illustrated "The Power of The Evil Horde" story book that came with the Hordak and Grizzlor two pack & audio cassette tape, but it's notable that the Bruce Timm cover illustration for that is signed & dated to 1985, as are the copyrights on that books illustrations, whereas the Story of She-Ra & Grizzlor illustrations & copyrights date to 1984 [ with Bruce Timm notably having also illustrated the aforementioned Grizzlor minicomic, and PROBABLY being the uncredited illustrator of The Story of She-Ra minicomic: the styles, especially the looks of Hordak, the Sorceress & He-Man are EXTREMELY similar, & Bruce Timm is known to have done uncredited illustration for last of the 1st wave She-Ra minicomics, "Adventure of the Blue Diamond" ] , a year earlier.. more on those illustrations & copyrights later, as it seems rather important on the whole ) actually predates FILMATION'S blue-skin Hordak as a technicality to use blue-skin Hordak without getting the Filmation related licensing: whether it's a fair use or a loophole trick can be debated. But this is something different: this is a greater matter of seniority, priority & rights, & Mattel has every bit as much moral right ( & SHOULD, unless there was some strange as-yet-secret further & frankly foolish concession ) to use their pre-Filmation-version, older illustrations & minicomics based She-Ra & Catra, at the least, as they do to use Orko, Hordak, Sy-Klone, Spikor, Fisto, the Sorceress ( falcon [ or hawk... is it a falcon or a hawk, I know you know lol ] costume version ) et al. The argument could be made that Mattel would or should have rights to make new content with the entire first wave of She-Ra toys, since they all ( She-Ra, Catra, Frosta, Bow, Castaspella, Angella, Glimmer, Double Trouble & Kowl ) have illustrations & prototypes copyrighted to Mattel in 1984, prior to the Filmation animations: www.he-man.org/publishing/item.php?id=726&image=27479. I recall you saying that the 1987 character guide/style guide was the technicality you guys first used to bring She-Ra into the Classics toyline, but this is a MUCH bigger and clearer rights slamdunk than that: that really was a barest technicality, since that guide directly featured the exact Filmation variants likenesses: this is very different; those old 1st wave She-Ra illustrations & minicomics take nothing from the FILMATION movie & series, and the first ones predate it: in fact, it's on record that the designer for FILMATION Frosta based her directly on the pre-existing prototype that Mattel's teams had created for that character ( also, notably, minicomic Catra, like minicomic Hordak, is more powerful than the Filmation variant: I hope whenever the studious, presumably Dreamworks once it has all the content access, make a fully reunified MOTU&POP show, they will MERGE the power aspects of Filmation & minicomics Hordak & those of Filmation & minicomics Catra, respectively, to give us the most formidable & old school nod versions of both ). So what is the exact situation, & why has Mattel been so shamefully unassertive about doing anything with She-Ra??

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

Basically Mattel expects others to respect their trademarks and they do they same. Therefore they are not going to actively look for loopholes

@gibranlewis7300

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 loopholes are one thing, but this is an area where they have a clear and strong case & right ( unless they gave away more rights than have been reported ), really as clear and as strong as the ones for Orko & Hordak, for thsoe first few She-Ra characters: She-Ra, Catra, Frosta, Bow, Castespella, basically the WHOLE first wave, but ESPECIALLY She-Ra & Catra who have story content et al in 1984 Mattel copyright. The Filmation animators for Catra , Frosta & Castespella BASED their work on Mattels toy prototypes & prototype artwork, & the same is largely true for She-Ra, and there are still distinct differences between 1st wave minicomic & toy She-Ra & Catra, and Filmation She-Ra & Catra. Orko is more a pure Filmation creation than She-Ra is, and clearly Mattel has never yet applied this kids' gloves approach with him: he's in the 2002 & MOTU revelation reboots etc. ( & hey, I'm glad he is, I've always been fond of Orko, but I'm even more fond of She-Ra, and Mattel just doesn't seem to put as much effort into or fight up for her, the exception being in some of the toy lines, especially Classics, & I tip my hat to you for all the inclusion you did & for doing a lot [ esp. via your bio cards ] to make up for the fact that Mattel had kept so many of the old minicomics, with the exception of The Story of She-Ra, largely MOTU(POP) segregated ). & Filmation She-Ra is one thing, but She-Ra, as she appeared in her original minicomic debut ( & Catra right along with her ) ARE Mattel Trademarks/Copyrights. We're not talking about Shadowweaver here who, as you note, never appeared outside of the Filmation series & was made specifically for it ( She-Ra's Orko, but female, dark, & not humourous... Hordak's answer to Orko, I guess ). The 1984 copyrights of those illustrations and stories of She-Ra & Catra, abduction by Hordak et al, & just as old as Hordak & Leech, and older than King Hiss or the Slime Pit, are copyrighted to Mattel. If Mattel were that concerned with not "infringing" on anything Filmation's hands had ever touched, then they would never use Orko, they would never use Hordak, they would never use any character appearing in Filmation's shows who was created after Filmation began collaborating with them in 1982, so that just can't be the answer. Classics Media wrongly splitting He-Man & She-Ra in the Filmation library shouldn't have any effect at all on Mattel's 1984 She-Ra minicomics version, no more than it effected Orko, Grizzlor, & Sy-Clone. Classics Media never had any trademark or copyright rights to Mattel's minicomics & toy versions of She-Ra, Catra, & Frosta. Mattel wouldn't be using a loophole, they would be assertively using character variations they already had a pre-existing right to, JUST as they do everytime they use Orko & Hordak, and I'm hoping you can explain to me where the legal difference lies, if there is one at all. & I understand this may be something that the legal teams just haven't properly addressed... but if not, why hasn't Mattel taken it up with them?? Do they just not care as much about She-Ra's ip and the rights they almost certainly have to the early minicomic & toy versions of her & Catra etc. ( NOT loopholes, Scott, but RIGHTS, they have those copyrights, She-Ra & Catra are at least as much Mattel's as they are Filmations, & the minicomics & those 1st wave toys that were modeled in line with the comics & NOT the Filmation show, are fully Mattel's, unless I've quite missed something [ which is possible ] The way you noted using the 1987 style guide to open a narrow "maybe" door to using the Filmation style She-Ra was a loophole.... this is something WAY different: this is Mattel original content, copyrighted to & by Mattel before the Filmation versions of She-Ra & Catra were even finalized, let alone released, & it's mindboggling that Mattel would take such a hands-off & lassiez faire approach to their own property).

It's a shame that corporate greed and bad management lead to such disappointing situations. Companies seem to forget that fans are the reason they stay afloat. It reminds me of the situation the X-Men were put in recent years.

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

It is a shame I know

Could you imagine how massive the toy sales would be if she-ra and he-man crossed over in entertainment?!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oh if only!

C can’t wait love the history that mother live

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Coming soon!

There's also a black sheep in this whole conversation that I wanna know the specifics to: Mara. Don't get me wrong, I know she was supposed to have a toy release in the New He-Man Adventures and it never got past the prototype stage. And I also know Mara was from a series that wasn't well received back then or even today. However, Mara is unique because she's the only character exclusively from a He-Man series who managed to find her way into the Dreamworks She-Ra reboot after the company got the rights to the She-Ra side. So I'm wondering if it was a case where her rights were just floating around because Warner Brothers and Sony didn't really care what happened to her rights and she was able to be used by ND and crew. And if that's the case then GOOD. Because reboot Mara's backstory is one of the most emotionally touching scenes in the entire MotU franchise.

Very interesting video . Anyway I think there are quite odds to get a deal ,if Spiderman is into the MCU ,all is possible How about the comics from DC ? it's entertainment and He-Man and She-Ra interacted on.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Comics don't count as entertainment! Crazy right. It is how we could do the mini comics.

The live action pic of he man and she ra at 14.00. Is that from the Macy’s thanksgiving day parade?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I think it is from the power tour

@markmichel3855

3 жыл бұрын

Spector Creative thank you. Last night I watched the documentary “power of grayskull” on Netflix. Loved it and got excited when I saw you in it

Reminds me of Conan and Red Sonja, btw. There rights got seperated because of the Sonja-Movie, IIRC. Makes more money if you sell different rights for both characters. That's why Sonja is still with IDW or something while Conan is back at Marvel.

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that comparison comes up a ton

Honestly I would have killed for the recent incarnation of She-Ra to cross over into He-Man territory, or for a later He-Man incarnation to cross over. Maybe it's more trouble than it's worth at this point but who knows, maybe someone can get the act together

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I imagine in time they will work this out. I hope!

I would of liked it if He-Man did a have a bit more of a connection in the new She-Ra or if Revelations was more light-hearted

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

If only they had the rights

Northstar & Aurora, Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver. Just two pairs of Twin Superpeople that come to mind. ;)

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

Luke and Leia

@oliverl.5834

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 I think you mentioned them in the video. ;)

Wow... That sucks... But wait, while I don't doubt your knowledge, Adora and She-Ra did appear in some issues of the last MOTU comics by DC, maybe there is some (if any) legal gray area, or maybe someone is willing to let them use her on Masters... Maybe, I don't know

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oddly comic books don't count as "entertainment". It was how we were able to do the mini comics for Classics

@PrivateEye10

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Really? Then what do they count as? Liberty of expression?

@TheAxetothehead

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 that...seems too specific to be an oversight.

With marvel having its cinematic universe thing, it seems like He-man and She-ra were the forerunners. With everyone trying to get a cinematic universe going, there might be pressure to tie them back together. But I dunno

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

Well if anyone was the forerunner it was Jules Verne...

That is a good thing. I hate to think what they would have done to He-Man in the new She-Ra show.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

See, a silver lining to all.

@cassandrarivas2022

3 жыл бұрын

i was honestly sad adam wasnt in the new show :[

Always liked Hordak😄

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Who doesn't! (well Skeletor maybe)

Yeah, is all about money. If Mattel owns both properties, there's no reason for the seperation in media consumption.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Mattel does not own either property. They are both owned by Universal.

@JeffreyPiatt

3 жыл бұрын

Mattel was no where near as smart in the 80's as Hasbro to own IP and a TV distribution company. Claster Productions saved them a lot of headaches.

The Wonder Twins were the only pair where the girl had the cooler powers.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Nice. Although personally I liked the monkey

So, in the end, there is little hope that She-Ra characters will appear in tye Orogins line. What a sad thing.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Legally, yes.

4:30 the signature on the image is "Bruce Timm". Is that Bruce Timm from the DC Animated Universe?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

It sure be!!!!!

FYI, superhero, sci-fi and fantasy twins include: Luke and Leia Skywalker (Star Wars); the Wonder Twins (aka Zan and Jayna, DC); Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (aka Wanda and Pietro Maximoff, Marvel); Aurora and Northstar (Marvel); WilyKit and WilyKat (ThuderCats); Jade and Obsidian (DC); Captain Britain and Psylocke (marvel); Tomax and Xamot (GI Joe). You're welcome!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Ook and Eek from Hudson Hawk

@noahhenson1669

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Or Oko and Poko from BeastMaster!

So Netflix have the rights to both She-Ra and He-Man shows, but the characters still can't crossover? Seriously?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Weird I know.

@Carabas72

3 жыл бұрын

I don't believe Netflix has the rights to either. Dreamworks has She-Ra (best reboot ever). Mattel Television is doing the new He-Man show. Netflix is merely publishing both of them.

Actually enjoyed the She-Ra Netflix show. I haven’t read through all the other comments. But Tongue Lasher did show up in an episode.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

If I recall, Tongue Lasher also showed up on the Filmation She Ra show

@nealwestmoreland8576

3 жыл бұрын

Loved Tung Lasher's biker outlaw look on the Netflix POP cartoon. He had a good depiction in the old Filmation POP cartoon as well So glad he made it into the Club Grayskull line.

Kind of makes you wonder what He-Man/Adam would have looked like in the Princesses of Power style.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Prob like Bow.

TBH Mattel fucked up this IP when they sold the entertainment rights and relegated themselves to merely having the right of first refusal on toy production. Did they lose confidence with the brand at that time?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. It was considered a failed brand:

So many contract details have to be inserted and altered to keep some people happy.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Fine print was never my thing

@truck6859

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Do you think this was a matter of "The boys' side of the company is not allowed to make products traditionally made by the girls' side of the company," or "The boys' side is not allowed to make a PROFIT off things that the girls' side should be producing" ?

Can the supporting characters from He-Man crossover in entertainment for She-Ra? If not, how did Mara of Primus end up on the Netflix She-Ra show? Does NA not have to adhere to the same rules?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I'm honestly not sure how NA works. It is a bit of the black sheep of licensing!

That is super dumb. I really hate how copyright and IP law works.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Can't disagree

sixth-grade party? ...Not _my_ 6th grade parties. Boys and girls had definitely discovered each other by that point. But then, we were in a magnet. So maybe we were just advanced.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Or cooler

@tawdryhepburn4686

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 definitely not.

Maybe it's for the best. I'm not sure I can handle if She-Ra looks like Teela on Kevin Smith's show.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah....

What about skeletor? Would be fall under the horde situation cause he was hordaks student ? Or would they just have to leave it vague. As some guy stole the baby implying it was skeletor but never mentioning by name .

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Skeletor is clearly in the MOTU brand.

@legendarytoys

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 yes . Just was wondering if she ra entreatment could use him as MOTU can use hordak . I do want to say I just found your channel and its been great hearing about all tge inside / business side of the toy industry. Definitely recommended people to subscribe or at least take a look at your channel . As a MOTU collector n being part of the matty collector club . Its been very interesting. I still have to caught up on your videos but I would definitely would love to hear your take on thundercats. Keep the great content coming !

Well that sucks still familly hope they can work it out money talks. there together in comics tho Another line that did not look like the cartoon .great figures classics looked good I'd like the trooper

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Me to!

Can you confirm whether or not Catra was going to be the original main villain to shera? Between rumors and reading info on it online its confusing. Was there ever any documents to confirm or deconfirm this?

@manjiimortal

3 жыл бұрын

She was in the minicomics, as the Horde don't appear there at all, which makes me think Scott got his wires crossed on that detail, and it wasn't the Mattel girls group who decided to use teh Horde as She-Ra villains, but Filmation.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, she was going to be the head "mischief maker" for She-Ra originally.

@extremesegaa9239

3 жыл бұрын

My understanding is filmation did characters based off most the toylines not the other way round minus characters like orko ect I cant see filmation making lead decisions on a brand they never owned. Maby Scott can shed some light on this sometime.

Shame the girls group took control of the line. It would have been nice to have had the She-ra characters in a more MOTU toy style. The rooted hair always put me off having POP toys as it annoyed me having to waste 20 minutes combing She-ras hair before I could play with her due to her hair getting all knotted up in my toy box.

@This-country-sucks-4

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like they could of self sabotaged it, goes to show theres no teamwork a lot of the time. Everyone wants to 1up the others.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah toy history is weird

She killed He Man for me as a kid that was the beginning of the end

@JinzoCrash

3 жыл бұрын

"Get woke, go broke." ...80's style.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard that from quite a lot!~

@MrRiley-Is-Not-Amused

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta agree with that, sadly.

@josesarango3408

3 жыл бұрын

Nah She-Ra and She-Ra's characters from the 80s were great. Woke Netflix versions are trash

@martinfiedler4317

3 жыл бұрын

@@josesarango3408 OK, I noticed some "woke" elements in Netflix She-Ra, but I think it was still toned down and reasonable. Especially compared to some other SJW-s**t out there. I liked it, while I always hated the Filmation She-Ra.

You should talk to Kneon and Geeky-Sparkles at ClownfishTV. Both are huge He-man and She-ra fans. I think they would love to speak to an industry veteran like yourself.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Want to make an intro for me? My contact info is on Spectorcreative.com

@studioshadowcross

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 I don't speak for them (I am just a fan of their works), but I can send email on your behalf. Hopefully that can spark a conversation.

The girls who played with the original MOTU toys did not want a girlie version.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I know. That is why the boys team was developing them as action figures

Shame how the “ladies”of Mattel had to have a fit over MOTU wanting to create She-Ra and those characters . From what Scott is saying, unless I’m misunderstanding, because of how they demanded taking over She-Ra because they had a hissy fit in Motu selling more than Barbie, and because of all that petty nonsense, now both properties can’t be in either of any future new tv series. Aside from the horde popping up on He-Man like in 200x.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Its all politics and getting credit for success

@frankpetersen3090

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 And when you think about it, if both sides can come together , they have to know how big Motu is, and how much the fans would love if characters from both shows could be combined. But your right , all products and people wanting credit

Could She-Ra and her cast be used in a Masters of the Universe video game?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Not that I am aware of. She Ra "maybe" but not the other POP characters

Sounds like what sega is doing to "classic" sonic and "modern" sonic

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

In a way

So, is it that an entertainment company absolutely CANNOT use She-Ra and He-Man together in the same series, or is it just that they would have to have a special contract or something in order to do so. I'm guessing something like that would cost more money than He-Man and She-Ra on their own, but just trying to understand if it is absolutely off-limits or just really complicated/expensive/unlikely.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

From what I know, they would need a new contract to allow that, but hey, I can be wrong!

I don't quite get it. If both MOTU and POP are owned by the same company (or aren't they?), How come they can't appear together?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Because legally they are separate brands. I know IP is weird.

@TheBigOrangeCat

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 ok, but if you own both IPs and you want to mix them, what holds you from doing so? Who could oppose such move if you are the rightholder? I'd understand if someone else had at least a part of the rights, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

@Rocket1377

3 жыл бұрын

@Spector Creative: That doesn't make any sense. Hasbro own both Transformers and GI Joe, those are also separate brands, and yet crossovers happen all the time. The only explanation is that Mattel does not have full control over the She-Ra licence, probably repeating to the fact that the cartoon rights are owned by a different company.

Could they create a new characte;r say she-ro for instance? Maybe make her dares twin sister? you know just move the concept forward and keep her on ethernia or make a new planet?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Well Mattel (or Universal) can do anything they want with the brand anytime!

The She-Ra/Princess of Power Brand is the Female Equivilent of The He-Man/Masters of the Universe Brand.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and now they are seperat brands.

ah the stupidness of rights issues, it is daft that she ra can't appear in he man media outside of non retail toys and comics. We are getting all sorts of crossovers where the ninja turtles have met batman and the ghostbusters and the transformers have met star trek, terminator and ghostbusters my little pony and back to the future

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

What can I say. She Ra is not the Ninja Turtles.

I guess video games are an exception

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

And comics too

I'm not gonna lie, the fact that She-Ra and He-man can't appear in each other's worlds story-wise really sucks. This would explain why the lore in the SPOP Netflix series is so far removed and doesn't have even a remote connection to MOTU. Again, that's a real shame, because the Netflix reboot was really good and brought many new and interested fans to the franchise; being able to involve MOTU would have not only added more to the story of the reboot, but would have potentially added a lot of new customers for Mattel. I know many MOTU fans (mostly the men) are perfectly good with the fact that both worlds are separate, but to me and most other She-Ra fans, both franchises went hand-in-hand and we enjoyed both In their many forms. I don't know, all I can say is that this was all around a loss for me, personally.

@toonytube2444

3 жыл бұрын

I will continue to use HE-MAN and SHE-RA in my cartoons. I love to tell He-Man-stories with She-Ra/Adora.

@markmichel3855

3 жыл бұрын

They appear in comics characters

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I agree. I hope it gets worked out

@vgamer11

3 жыл бұрын

@@markmichel3855 I know, but I was talking about things like cartoons and movies (hence why I mentioned the She-Ra Netflix reboot)

dame at 14 mins why cant they use that guy for the heman movie

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I knew...

Furthermore, is Beast Wars its own brand at this rate?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

As in the Transformers line,? No , it is part of Transformers.

@austinreed7343

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Yeah...

This is just sad to me and super ridiculous.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I don't make the contracts, I just talk about em

For how the rights are split up for he-man and she-ra in entertainment,talk about a nasty divorce. At least that's how i see it beside netflik is getting two different he-man shows.Which means not even a guest appearance for she-ra. By the way it's a shame the 2002 reboot didn't get another season wasn't there talk it would have she-ra ?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

There was talk about She-Ra but due to the rights she could only be done as a toy, not actually appear on the show

Are there any such things a MOTU emojis?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I know He-Man.org offers them to people who post

@truck6859

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 I'll take a look, thanks!

Copyright is so much garbage to be honest

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Just ask Star Trek fans

What about SHE-RA in the new ORIGINS-Line?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

She Ra maybe but probably no on her supporting cast.

@toonytube2444

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Thats fine for me, but I hope we'll get an ADORA-Figure!!

@Rocket1377

3 жыл бұрын

@Spector Creative: Wrong. We got figures of Shadow Weaver in both of Super7's recent toylines (retro 5.5 and vintage 3.75 style). Mattel can totally make her and the rest of the POP cast.

You seem confused. Even if they are 2 different distinct brands it just takes an entertainment company paying for both ips. This might be prohibitively expensive but not impossible. Money talks

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Anything can happen. The toy industry is weird.

Woman always tryna steal a man's thunder lol

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

That is why we need Thor

“Feeeeeeeeemales”

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

They are always welcome, but they don't sell as well to toy lines aimed at boys

I don't know if it was Mattel or Filmation's idea, but I thought it was terrible back in '85 (and still do) how Hordak and She-Ra were retconned into MOTU. Years were spent having The Most Powerful Man In The Universe vs. The Evil Lord Of Destruction only to be insulted to find out that there was somebody just as strong/fast as He-Man (but with extra powers and a shape changing sword) and that Skeletor was only a pupil, not the ultimate evil. After seeing that as a kid, I couldn't watch He-Man again, and neither did other kids that I knew. Savage MOTU forever!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I do think this also contributed to the downfall of the MOTU toys

That’s what happens when you listen to women. The She-Ra dolls should have been action figures and than you wouldn’t have this bs.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

They were meant to be action figures...

The girls was already enjoying the line, so why mess that up? Glad they got she ra, but they legit was enjoying what was already there. Like the new fake she ra pushing girl power, when the brand already had a strong women. A adult kids could look up too. Weird.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Money.

@josesarango3408

3 жыл бұрын

it's called wokeness. They resent the past and men and women getting along

Get woke go broke

@PrivateEye10

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that doesn't apply here... Its a whole other issue

@sgzartan

3 жыл бұрын

@@PrivateEye10 Yes, it does apply here.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Ghostbusters anyone?

@PrivateEye10

3 жыл бұрын

@@sgzartan No, I mean, it does apply for the new She-Ra show and its failure, but overall, the split of the franchises has nothing to do with the concept of woke, its more like a business decision...

@sgzartan

3 жыл бұрын

@@PrivateEye10 I agree.