My sister and I both had MOTU stuff, and when She-Ra came around we both had POP stuff. Of course we had Star Wars, GI Joe, Transformers, and the girls lines as well. I knew certain toys were supposed to be for one or the other, but back then we had one TV so if Care Bears came on after He-man we both watched it all.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oh Care Bears. How many times did you wind up in my Castle Grayskull dungeon?

Sadly, I do think the Masters line would have lasted longer had She-Ra remained there. I still remember arriving at my cousin's house the X-Mas of 1984 (I'd have been 8 yrs old) and being excited to play with her new Crystal Castle (I'd gotten Snake Mountain earlier in the day so I wasn't TOO jealous). Her dad couldn't understand why I wanted to play with a girl's toy and mocked me for it. Even after explaining how it was the sister toy line/cartoon to He-Man, I don't think he could get past all the pink and sparkles. I can imagine many parents in the 80's mistakenly felt similar. Plus, Bow would have had a He-Man body and we probably would have gotten classic Sea Hawk & Shadow Weaver figures.

@Beedo_Sookcool

3 жыл бұрын

My father-in-law has a similar hang-up. He REFUSES to watch "The Princess Bride" because it's got the word "Princess" in it. Doesn't know what he's missing.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

It is one of those "what if things" we may never know. At least Super 7 did those nifty 3 3/4 figures.

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

That is so sad & unfortuante, @Hardbody217. People yammer away about normal male attraction to & admiration of the female figure as relates to the art, figurines & imagery in these franchise lines being "sexist objectification" ( never once complaining about He-Man's exposed nipples & barely covered ass ), but the REAL sexism & male-chauvinism regarding She-Ra was how the toyline & comics were treated by both men & women. One of the main reasons the toy designers don't do the "real" type hair for a boy focused line is that they don't want the toy to seem "too much" like a doll, even though ( as my mean old lady former neighbour used to, with gleeful malice, tell me regarding my He-Man, Skeletor, She-Ra, Catra, Hordak, Inhumanoid monsters, Mumm-Ra, Lion-O et al ) really they are ALL ( He-Man, She-ra, Skeletor, all of em ) dolls!! In reality they are ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY dolls AND ALL action figures, with a mostly arbitrary nominal difference meant to differentiate one as a "girls'" toy & the other as a "boys'" toy, even when they are just play figures in the same greater franchise/storyverse. Brushable/rooted hair as the difference is bullsh*t: Barbie's husband Ken has molded, non-brushable/non-rooted hair, and he's still universally considered a doll: Big Jim, whom He-Man was based on, was a doll for boys: Big Jim looks JUST like a Ken doll, just with action oriented outfits, and with a more masculine & less pretty face than Ken has. Big Jim, in turn, was inspired by the original 12 inch tall G.I. Joe doll. Take Ken out of his regular clothes, slap a purple loincloth over his a$$, and drop him in a MOTU/POP scene, and he becomes Kendor the pretty-boy titan of cool breezes, flirtation & sunsets. The toy of the monstrous Horde captain Grizzlor, meanwhile, has a body covered in "brushable" hair/fur: make of that what you will. While many boys, including many heterosexual ones, bought the old She-Ra's for their MastersOTU collection, there were, sadly, many who didn't because of ridiculous "sissy" stigma ( which all too often came from their own adult relatives, if you peruse anecdotes ): particularly ridiculous because, just like many boys [ as og He-Man co-designer Mark Taylor himself stated ] liked & got the first wave Teela because she was, in Mark's words, "a babe", many boys ( myself included: 1st wave Teela was a little before my time, but She-Ra was still on shelves when I was a kid, & my little kid self got her & Catra to go with my He-Man, Skeletor, Hordak etc., BOTH because she was a major part of the masters of the universe story, AND because I thought those ladies, long legs, big eyes, long flowing hair et al, were sexy, even though I still didn't yet know what sex even was lol: my then kid-self took Catra's skirt right off to get a look at her thighs & butt lol. As above noted, according to Mark Taylor, one of He-Man's original principal design artists, I wasn't alone in that general sentiment: to quote him, Teela was modeled like a "real babe", and the Mattel marketing research teams who tested how kids reacted to toys found that the boys liked Teela a lot exactly because of that ) liked She-Ra, Catra et al exactly because they thought they were pretty; and, of course, because they are a MAJOR part of the larger He-Man & MOTU mythology/story ( & He-Man's story is improved & made both more of a classic mythology & more dynamic by She-Ra's inclusion, abducted by evil warlock narrative et al, just as She-Ra's story is greatly enhanced by the inclusion of Hordak [ & still would have been so, even if Catra had been maintained as a semi-independent 3rd party villainess who was only allied with Hordak & not in his service ). Story before toy franchises ( i.e. those where the story was the original & main product, and the toys followed after, as with DC, comic book originated franchises, movies, novels etc. ) aren't afflicted with this issue: DC has always benefited from integration of Superman & Wonderwoman, rather than the instances of deliberate segregation that Mattel sometimes took in handling the MOTU(POP) toys & minicomics & their advertising in 30 second to one minute action figure commercials ( I saw a comment from a European man who noted that there hadn't been nearly as much toy segregation in the MOTU(POP) line in Europe, and when I watched an English [ as in from England ] She-Ra toy commercial, I noted that it included both a She-Ra AND a He-Man toy, with a much more gender neutral setting & theme music, whereas She-Ra's American commercials always excluded any toys from the He-Man side of the brand, and always had background scenery & music that was decidedly MUCH more reminiscent of the look & sound of Barbie commercials than of He-Man commercials ). The Lord of The Rings movie franchise's Gandalf, Legolas AND Galadriel ALL have both "action figures" and full size, realistic hair "dolls": they are all characters in the same story, & are equally treated & marketed as such. Getting back to the realistic hair vs. molded hair as the "deciding" factor in "girls'" toy versus "boys'" toy, frankly, most males tend to prefer pretty females with pretty hair: most guys, even kid ones, DON'T find the bald look prettier on girls than actual flowing tresses lol. For anyone really worried that their sons' taste in toys may be a sign of "the gay", an overly strong interest in just getting toys of half-naked He-Man & his friend Fisto is MUCH more of a tell than your boy liking She-ra. lol All that said, it's really sad, somewhat disgusting, and an indicator of real sexism & chauvinism ( as opposed to the hyped for outrage variety ) that companies and/or social convention ever went/go to such extremes to segregate toy versions of characters in the SAME story based solely on their gender... or on whether or not they have "the good hair".

@Hardbody217

3 жыл бұрын

@@gibranlewis7300 Well said. And I want Ken-Dor to be canon now 😆

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hardbody217 LOL

Funny story: My wife told me that when she was a girl, her and her sister had a huge collection of MOTU toys. Strangely enough, neither of them had ANY interest at all in POP.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

And I think if POP had been done by the boys group it may have had a different reaction/shelf life. But you never know.

Really glad I found this channel, I've been looking to learn more about these things for a while now!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Well welcome aboard! Please do feel free to share with anyone on Social Media who might enjoy!

@tthheettrraasshhppiitt

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Will do! Keep up the good work sir

I really enjoyed that. I had always wondered why the Horde figures were released first before She-Ra, thinking it was to appeal to the boys BEFORE them realizing it was part of the “girls” She-Ra line. Hey I was like 12.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Crazy how the timeline works. Yeah, action figures that became dolls that used the action figure bad guys!

I didn't own vintage Bow. But when Classics Bow came around I got him, I think through a subscription. He very quickly grew on me. When I got him out of nowhere I could help but think what if Bow had/how would he look with a vintage Masters body.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

And Classics was designed to show what a POP figure (male or female) would have looked like if done by the boys group

@unigenius

3 жыл бұрын

Bow is the only one of the Classics line I had a problem with. I felt like that body was too big and buff for him. That he should have had a body that's more like a DC Universe or Marvel Legends size body. Still muscular, just not as broad or big in the chest and biceps. Aside from that, I loved him!

I got one figure from the Princess of Power line back in the 80s and that was She-Ra herself. Her and Kowl were the only ones I wanted, didn't end up getting Kowl, he was hard to find.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Hope you can get the Classics version! We did offer him in a few colors too.

Super 7 should have continued the 11 inch doll line. There were some of us who would have been happy to purchase more of those dolls.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I would love to see more product from Super 7 in all the scales they were doing, but it seems at the time Mattel wants the license back

I actually used to own the She-Ra figure along with my He-Man figure, which some saw as weird since I'm part of the male demographic but I loved the She-Ra show as a kid that's also why I bought the Jem toy because I liked the show. Now my parents understood I liked something so they bought it for me but the idea of a boy playing with toys made for girls was seen as weird at the time and that was when I was still living in the UK, when my family moved back to Egypt I got more weirded out reactions from our relatives when they found out they bought two girl toys for me but my parents didn't have to worry because around that time G.I.Joe was all the rage in Egypt so they bought a ton of Joe figures and vehicles for me to play with.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Hey I have a commemorative Jemm in my office. She is awesome!

Your channel is awesome.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

And your comment is awesome!

Great video!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked! Please do share with anyone else you may think may like on your social! It helps.

It was growing up on He-man and superheroes in general that inspired me to get into health and fitness as I hit adulthood. He-man was very body positive for me.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. I was a super skinny kid and the idea that I could be a muscular hero was very aspirational.

@rodster6campingprepper

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Same, I was so skinny as a child and hated it.

When I was a teenager in the 80s, I fell in love with the She-Ra cartoon and purchased the first series of Princess Of Power figures (except for Kowl, who was annoying, and was impossible to find anyway). Through She-Ra, I started watching the He-Man cartoon, and bought some of those figures as well. I purchased the Horde figures, who were part of the MOTU line (and I'm surprised you didn't mention that in the video, you made it sound like Girls Group stole those characters as well) and having the crossover episodes made me want some of the He-Man characters. So I bought He-Man, Orko, Teela, Evil-Lyn, Man-At-Arms, etc, and still have them all. I thought that the two sets of dolls didn't have a similar enough aesthetic to play well together, and often wished that they had met somewhere in the middle aesthetically.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

It isn't that they stole them, just continued the development under their own guidelines. They were still made by Mattel.

@Siansonea

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 nevertheless, the sales totals for Horde figures would have gone to Boys Group, wouldn't they?

I love your content, keep it up

@wonderworldcomics2020

3 жыл бұрын

ps. did you visit my store once in Taylor Mich?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

As long as you keep watching!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I've never been to Michigan, but if I am in town I'll be sure to hit it!

If only we'd gotten the POP characters as proper action figures back in the day! I had She-ra but rarely played with her as her hair got so knotted and I wasn't going to waste 15 minutes combing her hair before i could get down to business. At least Classics rectified things.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

"What if" can be a dangerous game. But not as dangerous as Hungry Hungry Hippos.

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: I had a She-Ra & a Catra with my He-Man, Skeletor, Grizzlor, Hordak etc.: I especially liked She-Ra & Catra ( especially Catra lol ) because I thought they were pretty a.k.a. sexy, even though I didn't fully understand what sexy meant yet lol. The hair on She-Ra did get tangled... so I cut the tangled portion off, resulting in the hair being about an inch shorter, waist length instead of calf-length ( & waist length is closer to the cartoon ratio anyway ): it NEVER tangled again, even after months ( and eventually years ) of sitting tossed in a toy-bin with He-Man, Hordak, Grizzlor, Jackal-Man, Lion-O etc. etc. Turns out, that synthetic hair material doesn't really tangle much under a certain length: the hair placement keeps it just "springy" enough to avoid it, or some such thing.

I wanted She-ra figures as a kid but because they were made all girly and pastel, I passed. Personally, I think if She-ra were to be released like He-Man it would have had a much broader appeal, classics did it perfectly. The girls group was greedy and tried to latch on to what the boys group did and that seems (at least to me) to have led to a shorter lifespan for the line.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

And I do wonder what would have happened if She-Ra had continued to be developed by the boys group.

One can only hope Origins eventually does an action fig for She Ra done in the original series style, with Origins standard articulation. The retro styled one we got and of course the Classics versions were pretty cool too

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I would hope so, but with the legal rights to She-Ra all messed up, anything is possible. more here; kzread.info/dash/bejne/dICd0cmKhNyvcaw.html

@garymichael6899

3 жыл бұрын

I had the vintage she-ra, the 2016 comic-con (the12 inch Barbie style) doll, the super 7, the original motuc one and all variants including the galactic protector style, adora and bubble power, and the club Grayskull. My personal favorite is the comic con doll, and the club Grayskull. I even had the motuc classic swift wind.. Was out of work for most of the year and had sell off almost all of my collection. Only kept the club Grayskull one a handful of vintage motu and classics. I’m thankful for the origins line cuz Now can replace my collection with these new cheaper figs.

@Canoby

3 жыл бұрын

@@garymichael6899 Sorry to hear about your financial issues, and having to downsize your collection. Personally I missed out on Classics for similar reasons, and honestly I feel lucky I can mostly afford Origins and a few other lines now (mostly Star Wars Black Series, Transformers and GI Joe... lol so many 80s collections)

So let me see if I get the history right. We start with Barbie, making a primary character selling different outfits, the pros of which are discussed in other videos. Big Jim more or less copies this to be the action figure line that sells different outfits. He-Man at conception copies the Barbie model to be one character that gains powers from different outfits, but instead becomes an action figure line as we recognize it today and outsells Barbie. When the research finds out girls are buying a lot of He-Man figures and plans for more female figures are made, the Girls group (AKA Barbie) comes in to take up the mantle, coming full circle in a way.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

The circle is now complete. Now I am the toy maker.

Hey Scott... thank you so much for your take on this question... my favorite subjects that you cover are toy industry strategy stuff and MOTU/MOTUC.. and this"She-Ra as action figure" question has been a question that has always nagged at me (little did I know that it was actually the origin of the doll line)... and I had a "lively" discussion with someone on a previous video of yours trying to make the distinction between girls' (and their parents) action figure buying tastes and how that translated to female action figure quantity in an action figure line... and you hit a lot of what I was curious about in this vid. I suppose, if I had one more request/topic suggestion, it would be an even more "business"-centric breakdown of this subject of 'DO girls prefer playing with female action figures over male action figures" or even if there even HAS been research on that. And a question that would have to be a natural/necessary follow-up: ""How many female action figures is TOO many for a children's action figure line (i.e. enough to make the line less desirable to kid/parent action figure buyers)" --again, as you've pointed out... this wouldn't apply to adult collector lines.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Have you seen this video? It does address that a bit:kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZK2jlbyMiLvKcsY.html

@GARY84ROCKS

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 My memory may be fuzzy enough that I forgot watching it... either way, I will have to look at it ASAP. Thanks!

I remember turning She-Ra’s tiara thing over to make a mask being a feature called out on the original figure’s package back, right?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I'm actually not sure. I think it just noted it is removable

@Beedo_Sookcool

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I recall that being part of her "disguise."

Fascinating insights as always. Those Princess Classics look pretty badass. How does that solid-piece hair work with an articulated figure? Is it flexible? And, aah. _That_ Bruce Timm...

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Long hair on a super articulated figure can limit head movement. It is essentially a hard piece of plastic coming out the back

@Beedo_Sookcool

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the Classics POP characters have hair that is sculpted to allow for at least some head-turning, but a couple of them aren't, most notably Flutterina and Sweet Bee.

love all these facts ,& we KNOW they aint BS : D thanks bro !

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I try to shoot straight!

@genesanford9412

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 man,you were THERE ...doin it ! : D (doin a hell of a great job)

Feed em to the baboons! That's great. I'm curious though. I remember the snake men being in the Shera cartoon, but the tongue lasher and rattler figures I had were in the same format as my Heman toys, because they matched perfectly with my earlier cobra Kahn figure. My brother also had a couple horde figures ( I remember mosquitor in particular) that blended in with skeletor's men. Were these just never adopted by the Shera line, or did they come before the girl's group took them over?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Basically a few of the Snake Men also got absconded into the Horde and the She-Ra series as they were not being used on the He-Man show. Again, developed as enemies for He-Man in the MOTU toy line, but used in the She-Ra entertainment.

Actually, the pirate image fits. Imagine what would have happened in today's world.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I was at Mattel from 2005-2014. I KNOW what happens in today world....

Nice disclaimer!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Its an award winning disclaimer!

The 'Princess Of Power' toy line did feel more like dolls than action figures. The one unique feature they had was the brushable hair, but the dolls weren't that much different from say 'My Little Pony'. The 'She-Ra' series was a different story. Having The Horde as the main protagonists made if feel more like it's same counterpart. Almost like of how the 'boys' section at Mattel would've worked on the 'She-Ra' line, but to Lou Scheimer's credit, he made the concept work. Also, to his credit, some female talent helped built this show including Lou's daughter, Erika Scheimer, and Gwen Wetzler. I think THAT was what set 'She-Ra' apart from other cartoons aimed at girls back then. Eve 'Jem' had some action like elements here, and there.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

To me as a kid it always felt like action figures with hair and dresses. A kinda "sofa bed" toy. Not quite an action figure, not quite a doll...

I confess I asked my mom to get me a Catra for Christmas one year because I thought she should go with my Horde guys 🤷‍♂️

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Their is NOTHING wrong with that at all!

@Beedo_Sookcool

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto. Ended up getting a She-Ra. Didn't mind. Went and got a Catra myself, after Christmas.

@AustynSN

3 жыл бұрын

Your mom was a lot more open minded than mine. I wasn't allowed any "girl" toys as a kid. (Mom actually seemed creeped out by it.) The only ones I actually wanted were some of the PoP line since she was He-Man's sister, one of the smaller McDonald's edition Barbies (black hair to play the part of Lois Lane), the Barbie ice cream shop. (really, just the part that made ice cream) and an easy bake oven (You'll notice that half of these "girls' toys" were just stuff to make food with. an obsession that's only gotten more developed over the years.)

What’s your opinion. Do you think if the POP line remained with the boys masters line would it have done better, the same or worse and why? That whole discussion could be a video in itself based on gender play, rooted vs not, girl figures selling in a boys line. I feel like I’m back in college ready to write an essay lol...

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I think it would have done better had it stayed with the boys group. They had a clear plan and it is a shame it couldn't be followed through due to fighting over who got the revenue.

@unigenius

3 жыл бұрын

I think part of its failure was due to the toyline not really reflecting what kids saw in the cartoons. The PoP toys weren't super in scale with He-Man's, so they didn't look like they belonged, unlike the MOTUC line

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

@@unigenius I think it was the excessively gender-lined marketing ( and I'm not one of the over-"woke" who believes gender "isn't" a thing: it definitely is, and some of my reasons for liking the Catra toy were surely different from some of the reasons my female close-in-age relatives liked her: some other reasons, like her being part of the Horde & part of the larger story, were the same ). Other than the head ( rubbery, like He-Man's rather than rock-hard like Teela's... must be a House of Randor genetic trait lol ) and the leg joints, the She-Ra toys are actually VERY much like the Teela & Evil-Lyn figures: the waist action, the design, and especially the arms. But the marketing on She-Ra was soooooo much like a Barbie commercial, and only the European ones ( where there was more crossover in terms of boys buying them & less stigma ) even featured He-Man at all ( some of the European commercials were also much more gender neutral in tone, with no "Isn't she lovely" knockoff Barbie style songs playing to my-little-pony music ), and the minicomics failed to integrate the stories beyond the initial She-Ra introduction minicomic that came with the original She-Ra toy itself, and which thankfully did include Hordak, the Sorceress, Grayskull, Man-At-Arms & of course He-Man.

@unigenius

3 жыл бұрын

@@gibranlewis7300 you know what? Now I want to go find some 80s toy commercials

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

@@unigenius I'll help you with that. lol. Now, the first three are straight toy commercials: note how the first two, both American ones, have the style, tone and sound of flat out Barbie or my-little-pony commercials... now, check out the third one, at about 1:33 into the video... it has a TOTALLY different tone, actually features a He-Man toy standing behind She-Ra ( the actual height difference between the toys was less, with them being basically the same height & dimensions, especially comparing She-Ra et all with Teela & Evil-Lyn ), and doesn't go for the "girl-play" Holly-go-lightly music etc. When you get to the end of the commercial you see the prices come with the sumbol for Brittish pounds instead of the U.S.A. $ dollar sign... no wonder anecdotal reports state boys in England were more comfortable playing with She-Ra: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hK53qc6oZsfZnrA.html ( oh, wow, I see you beat me to it... just saw your comment when I went to share the link lol ).

Hiya! I have a few MotU Commemorative Edition figures; did you work on or with that line at all? My thought about the "what if" is, if 40% of MotU sales were for girls and the dolls would have stayed more in line with the "boys" designs, perhaps "action figure" as opposed to "doll" popularity would not be more standard today. (If that makes any sense?? I'm just struggling with the syntax for some reason.) 😂😂 Thanks for another cool episode.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I came to Mattel in 2005, the commemorative figs were a few years before my time!

Your wisdom is an endless vault!

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I am most grateful for the compliment.

@rodrickadamginsburg8960

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Well Earned!

It’s there in Black and White, the girl group had baboons. 12:45: Scott took one of his sister’s She-Ra dolls and placed it with the Masters Of The Universe figures. Spectre could tell the future after all just from the moment of putting Princess Of Power with Masters Of The Universe.

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

I am still looking for those baboons

Just out of curiosity, is that Heman meeting She-ra for the first time vintage comic book real? I really want to read it!

@chadm2225

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it is real. It was the very first mini-comic released in the Princess of Power toyline and came with the original She-Ra toy.

@AWW8472

3 жыл бұрын

There is a mini comic collection hard cover book. Should still be in print.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

100%. It came with the Horde and Grizzlor two pack

@chadm2225

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I think Scott misunderstood which book was being asked about. The Power of the Horde book (which first introduces the Horde) came with the Hordak and Grizzlor two pack. The Story of She-Ra (the mini- comic where She-Ra meets He-Man) came with the original She-Ra. Both stories are available in the Masters of the Universe Mini-comic Collection hardcover book.

@Jeflexful

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Scott and Chad M for clearing the air. Yes. I just found out about it online. In fact, somebody shared the screenshots of the comic book on Heman.org. Sorry guys, I never owned She Ra figure or the Hordak and Grizzlor 2 pack as a kid. That's why I never knew the Heman crossing over with She Ra in the vintage comic books. To the best of my understanding, Heman and She Ra were 2 separate entities and properties it came to the vintage toys. I only knew that they existed in the same universe in the cartoon ( Filmation).

I loved how You handled She-Ra (and her crew) in classics. Had She-Ra been an action figure back in The 80's I would have had no more of a problem playing with Her than I had playing with Teela.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Having them all in the same scale and look was a big goal achieved!

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

It's unfortunate that such minor differences could make such a big difference: though I still think the Barbie toned & segregated from He-Man marketing ( at least in U.S.A. markets ) did more damage than the toy design, which, aside from a softer head ( much like her brother, He-Man's ) and prettier hair, was actually very much like Evil-Lyn's & Teela's from the waist up, and less easily broken from the waste down. People yammer away about normal male attraction to & admiration of the female figure as relates to the art, figurines & imagery in these franchise lines being "sexist objectification" ( never once complaining about He-Man's exposed nipples & barely covered ass ), but the REAL sexism & male-chauvinism regarding She-Ra was how the toyline & comics were treated by both men & women. One of the main reasons the toy designers don't do the "real" type hair for a boy focused line is that they don't want the toy to seem "too much" like a doll, even though ( as my mean old lady former neighbour used to, with gleeful malice, tell me regarding my He-Man, Skeletor, She-Ra, Catra, Hordak, Inhumanoid monsters, Mumm-Ra, Lion-O et al ) really they are ALL ( He-Man, She-ra, Skeletor, all of em ) dolls!! In reality they are ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY dolls AND ALL action figures, with a mostly arbitrary nominal difference meant to differentiate one as a "girls'" toy & the other as a "boys'" toy, even when they are just play figures in the same greater franchise/storyverse. Brushable/rooted hair as the difference is bullsh*t: Barbie's husband Ken has molded, non-brushable/non-rooted hair, and he's still universally considered a doll: Big Jim, whom He-Man was based on, was a doll for boys: Big Jim looks JUST like a Ken doll, just with action oriented outfits, and with a more masculine & less pretty face than Ken has. Big Jim, in turn, was inspired by the original 12 inch tall G.I. Joe doll. Take Ken out of his regular clothes, slap a purple loincloth over his a$$, and drop him in a MOTU/POP scene, and he becomes Kendor the pretty-boy titan of cool breezes, flirtation & sunsets. The toy of the monstrous Horde captain Grizzlor, meanwhile, has a body covered in "brushable" hair/fur: make of that what you will. While many boys, including many heterosexual ones, bought the old She-Ra's for their MastersOTU collection, there were, sadly, many who didn't because of ridiculous "sissy" stigma ( which all too often came from their own adult relatives, if you peruse anecdotes ): particularly ridiculous because, just like many boys [ as og He-Man co-designer Mark Taylor himself stated ] liked & got the first wave Teela because she was, in Mark's words, "a babe", many boys ( myself included: 1st wave Teela was a little before my time, but She-Ra was still on shelves when I was a kid, & my little kid self got her & Catra to go with my He-Man, Skeletor, Hordak etc., BOTH because she was a major part of the masters of the universe story, AND because I thought those ladies, long legs, big eyes, long flowing hair et al, were sexy, even though I still didn't yet know what sex even was lol: my then kid-self took Catra's skirt right off to get a look at her thighs & butt lol. As above noted, according to Mark Taylor, one of He-Man's original principal design artists, I wasn't alone in that general sentiment: to quote him, Teela was modeled like a "real babe", and the Mattel marketing research teams who tested how kids reacted to toys found that the boys liked Teela a lot exactly because of that ) liked She-Ra, Catra et al exactly because they thought they were pretty; and, of course, because they are a MAJOR part of the larger He-Man & MOTU mythology/story ( & He-Man's story is improved & made both more of a classic mythology & more dynamic by She-Ra's inclusion, abducted by evil warlock narrative et al, just as She-Ra's story is greatly enhanced by the inclusion of Hordak [ & still would have been so, even if Catra had been maintained as a semi-independent 3rd party villainess who was only allied with Hordak & not in his service ). Story before toy franchises ( i.e. those where the story was the original & main product, and the toys followed after, as with DC, comic book originated franchises, movies, novels etc. ) aren't afflicted with this issue: DC has always benefited from integration of Superman & Wonderwoman, rather than the instances of deliberate segregation that Mattel sometimes took in handling the MOTU(POP) toys & minicomics & their advertising in 30 second to one minute action figure commercials ( I saw a comment from a European man who noted that there hadn't been nearly as much toy segregation in the MOTU(POP) line in Europe, and when I watched an English [ as in from England ] She-Ra toy commercial, I noted that it included both a She-Ra AND a He-Man toy, with a much more gender neutral setting & theme music, whereas She-Ra's American commercials always excluded any toys from the He-Man side of the brand, and always had background scenery & music that was decidedly MUCH more reminiscent of the look & sound of Barbie commercials than of He-Man commercials ). The Lord of The Rings movie franchise's Gandalf, Legolas AND Galadriel ALL have both "action figures" and full size, realistic hair "dolls": they are all characters in the same story, & are equally treated & marketed as such. Getting back to the realistic hair vs. molded hair as the "deciding" factor in "girls'" toy versus "boys'" toy, frankly, most males tend to prefer pretty females with pretty hair: most guys, even kid ones, DON'T find the bald look prettier on girls than actual flowing tresses lol. For anyone really worried that their sons' taste in toys may be a sign of "the gay", an overly strong interest in just getting toys of half-naked He-Man & his friend Fisto is MUCH more of a tell than your boy liking She-ra. lol All that said, it's really sad, somewhat disgusting, and an indicator of real sexism & chauvinism ( as opposed to the hyped for outrage variety ) that companies and/or social convention ever went/go to such extremes to segregate toy versions of characters in the SAME story based solely on their gender... or on whether or not they have "the good hair".

@SimbasGuardWT

3 жыл бұрын

@@gibranlewis7300 I'm glad You had no problem playing with both He-Man and She-Ra toys. I thought She-Ra was a great character and I thought He-Man having a twin sister was neat. I had no problem watching the cartoon, but while your Grandma is technically corrected. An Action Figure and a doll with rooted hair are different (sort of). Grizzlor did not have fur because Toy design thought Boys would like to brush it. that was just the characters action feature. He was a big hairy monster. (Although I imagine brushing The character would be need ed to keep the fur form getting matted or), I never had a Grizzlor figure. As for The She-Ra figures they did not apeale to Me Yes because of The marketing, but had They looked More like Teela (Not had rooted barbie hair) even in the pink pakaging I might have tried to get My Parents to buy them for Me. Were The She-Ra figures not Dolls My Parents "might" have considered it. As far as Teela goes I knew when I got Her in 1982 at the age of 6 that She must be He-Man's Girlfriend.

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

@@SimbasGuardWT I understand you, though the distinctions remain largely arbitrary. Again, Ken has no rooted hair, but he's a doll. And, no bullshit, I, my little pervy kid self thought She-Ra & Catra were prettier & hotter than Teela exactly because they had long flowing hair & more expressively pretty faces, ( while toy Teela's hair looked like a mound of molded poop, & Evil-Lyn had a damn helmet on... a epic helmet, I'll grant you, but still ), "objectifying" male that I was even at such a young age lol. I think the marketing played a detrimental to male sales role more than anything, pink packaging et al. I think MANY more boys, & the parents who were sideways shaming them, would have gotten around the hair, if She-Ra et all had come in just lighter blue packaging instead of cooing pink, and if the masters of the universe logo had appeared over top of a smaller "She-Ra, Princess of Power" logo, and without Swift-Wind's soft looking ass on there ( or at least not such a soft looking version of him: the carton Swift-Wind had reddish hair/mane; in the orignal 1984 [ 85 full release ] Story of She-Ra minicomic, Swift Wind's hair varies between white & pale pink, depending on the frame, but he NEVER smiles in that 1st comic [ versus the my-little-pony's doting dad smile & look he has on the She-Ra toy packaging ], and he actually is made to look very much lake a dangerous wild stallion who would bite someone's ass & then kick said ass clean across a field [ see image here from said comic & of said steed www.he-man.org/publishing/item.php?id=726&image=18978 ] ) etc. The She-Ra body was actually very solid action figure quality, which is to say, she could literally stand balanced on her own two feet ( Barbie couldn't ), she was the right scale ( about the same height as He-Man, & perfectly size suited to all the He-Man toys & paraphernalia: the "girls" team initially wanted to make her more like Barbie's size, which just shows that they, unfortunately, had no real interest in giving her proper integration with the rest of the masters line, since Barbie height would have made her look like He-Man's half-sister by King Randor and some female titan, and would have made her tall enough to casually stick her hand through castle Greyskull's top story window without even stretching ), she had a hand designed to hold weapon handles, & she had a spring action waist for her attack moves, just like He-Man, Skeletor & Teela. Her arms, right down to the bracelets , are nearly identical to Teela's, though She-Ra's shoulders are slightly broader, & her breasts may be slightly more pronounced. But... the marketing of the toy was just full on Barbie & my-little-pony, from the packaging to the commercials, at least in the American commercials: I noted earlier that a commercial from England was much more gender-neutral in tone/style, and even included a He-Man toy. If they hadn't done that, and if they had given instructions to put the She-Ra & other Princess toys in the line in BOTH the Masters aisle & the Barbie aisle in all stores, also maintaining the minicomic integration of the first She-Ra minicomic ( and, here at least we can also heap a great deal of blame, fault & repudiation on the "boys" line, because once She-Ra was introduced, He-Man's minicomics should also have regularly referenced her, especially when Hordak came a'creepin' ) & the more similar style/tone with the other He-Man & masters minicomics ( She-Ra's minicomics became more and more "girly" after wave 1 ended, where as the wave 1 comics themselves retained the general look & feel of the rest of the Masters minicomics, with Bruce Timm, who did the art for many of the He-Man minicomics & on the Grizzlor minicomic [ & more ] doing the art for at least one of them, uncredited sadly, & possibly for two or more ), it would have made the She-Ra toys more welcoming to boys & done more to avert misconceptions & stigma.

@SimbasGuardWT

3 жыл бұрын

@@gibranlewis7300 Wow I did not know that about the vintage She-Ra action figure. and I totally understand how a Woman with longer flowing hair is more visual appealing to a Young Boy I loved how Tee;a was often depicted with long blonde hair in the early mini-comics. I had always wished The Teela action figure came that way (just not with rooted hair). I never gave any thought to how The Masters Of The Universe side of the comics never gave any mention to She-Ra. It also makes so sense to Me why Mattel would spin a line off of a per-existing one. and then treat them as individual properties. I think We have a very similar point of view on this. Oh and yes You're right if You use rooted hair as the defining point between an action figure and a doll Ken is an action figure in a doll line.

Just wondering if do you have any information about a new Princess of Power Line? Does Mattel still holds the license?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

See here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dICd0cmKhNyvcaw.html and here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/emyF2I-yY9m8os4.html

@manindisguise2824

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Thank you!

6:18: Please note: In no way I am implying the Girls Group nor any group at Mattel are pirates. I am simply using pop culture images to add humour to this video. Thank you and have a funtastic day. ©️2021 Spector Creative. Masters Of The Universe Classics, Mighty Spector and She-Ra are trademarks of MATTEL, Inc.©️1982- Mattel.

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

Its been said, it can't be unsaid

I remember having She-Ra's as a kid. Good times at age 6

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

She was amazing in the 80's. Way ahead of her time too.

@1Kelly1481

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Yeah, I've been watching videos about the new series and those characters... Let me just say, I'm glad I grew up in the 80's.

I didn't like He-man toys in the 80s. They didn't scale with the superheroes. Prince Adam made Superman feel... inadequate.

@sliderx1897

3 жыл бұрын

He was compared to heman

@AWW8472

3 жыл бұрын

@@sliderx1897 That was the drama in my toy box. He-man was 5.5" tall and 4" wide. Superman was 4.5" tall and 2" wide. I couldn't reconcile the scales in my play pattern. Too dissonant.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

That was on purpose to make He-Man toys bigger than your average toy!

@AWW8472

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 He-man was a brand new IP, so I had no connection to MOTU outside of the Filmation series which seemed cheap and rushed (besides the art for the show and the designs for the toys were noticably different, even in my 8 year old eyes.) Superman, on the other hand, was well established in my consciousness by the time the figures were released. Plus the color scheme for He-man wasn't as vibrant as Superman's. That's what I've noticed about MOTU Origins: better brighter colors. That Beastman really pops.

@AWW8472

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 Also, the billion dollar action figure toylines at the time were 3.75 inch tall, 1 inch wide and .5 inch thick aka pocket-sized. He-man towers over Luke and Duke.

Oooooo I’m telling!!! Hey sis remember you couldn’t find ya she-ra back in the day....well guess what I found out 😂😂😂😂😂

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I think she eventually found out...

I love this channel due to the fact that it supply’s so much information on early Mattel . Do you have any information about the late M.U.S.C.L.E. Line ? I’m wondering why it hasn’t been brought back and why they didn’t bring over the anime from overseas. It would have helped sell the toyline if they did. I don’t think the Super 7 series that they have done using the muscle logo is what is fans want .

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I was a big MUSCLE fan. I'll add it to the list for future videos! Thanks for the suggestion

@richardlaceyfield9

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you I can’t wait to see what you can up with .

@ShinSeikiEvan

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think '80s parents groups would have accepted the Kinnikuman anime for many reasons. It was too violent for the era and the humor was too crude. It would have had to be heavily edited.

Isn't the thumbnail of this video wrong? It talks about how Kenner solved the Jurassic Park problem, but actually is about She-Ra and the creation of her line?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

fixed!

@DragmaKerp

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 so quick!

do you have motu origins？

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I have not bought any yet since Classics provides for me that "complete" MOTU collection. But I did give my opinion here:kzread.info/dash/bejne/enpprbFqc5W6faQ.html

Y does 'Skeletor' in teh picture at 1:58 have the lower part of a cue stick as a sword???? Asks 'Snoopy' standing next to him. And puh-puh-puhleeze do that video on the 1980 court ruling on TV advertising.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oh that video is coming up promise!

"It's a WHOOP, Professor, a WHOOP of gorillas. It's a phlange of BABOONS." - Rowan Atkinson as Gerald the Gorilla "corrects" Mel Smith as Professor Fielding on the collective terms for primates in a classic "Not the Nine o' Clock News" sketch.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

phalange huh? And I know. This is the way.

Wow, More then one battlecat being used as a mount. Thats not something I ever thought I'd see. Let alone the bad guys using them.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing right

Yeah that Barbie episode was quite viscous in its tone. I wonder did any fights break out. By the way they was cutthroat each other at least on fist cuffs had to break out or at least a clench teeth confutation😂😂😂

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I didn’t need to see any of that! But I did laugh when I saw the episode.

Wonder if this isn't similar to what happened with the games HeroScape and D&D. I'd heard that HeroScape started outselling D&D, so Wizards of the Coast took it over for the purpose of destroying it. That's the rumor I heard it least. Don't really understand why anyone would take something over just to destroy it, but who knows.

@spectorcreative1872

2 жыл бұрын

Likely yes

Was the girls team back in the day mostly girls?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Still is. It's like a Jr High Dance.

A lot of the early commercials showed dads.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was aimed at boys and dads too at first.

Other than Teela and Evil-Lyn and a few other odd figures I wasn't particularly interested in He-Man. Loved She-Ra and ended up buying more He-Man toys so I could have the Horde and other villains since POP was so light on villains. So while I get there are who want to be angsty over them being dolls & "being stolen" or whatever, me and all of my friends who were girls adored She-Ra and her friends. One of the things that made several of my friends lose interest was how different they looked in the cartoon. The costumes were less colorful, Catra didn't have as big of a role, and it wasn't as fun as the toy line and mini-comics.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Hey it is wonderful that you liked them and they filled your childhood with good play time!

Ha. The use of the Joan Collins image was perfect, since her characters were generally both powerful & prone to underhanded power plays lol: from Dynasty, to her brief recast airing as fmr daytime show Guiding Light's similar ( and also 80s created ) CEO diva Alexandra Spaulding, her characters were also notoriously ruthless & prone to taking things by force, hook or crook. lol Some of the ladies at Mattel may well have been watching her on tv & emulating her lol. Still, I like the og She-Ra look, & I don't think she'd have been as comely & nice to look at if she'd had the old school Teela head. That said, I think the full on Barbie marketing style & the segregation of the minicomics, in all but that most important She-Ra introduction minicomic The Story of She-Ra ( where we do, fortunately, get Hordak, the abduction, the Sorceress, Grayskull, Man-at-Arms &, most importantly, He-Man & the twin history ), made it much less popular with boys had the commercials & more of the minicomics been intergrated, & had the commercials had a neutral tone rather than a my-little-pony and Barbie tone.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Glad the jokes were well taken!

The magic came from the boys group. It would if been way more successful. As a boy I didn’t understand why He-Mans twin sister line looked so much like cheap Barbie dolls. Now I know why.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

And knowing is half the knowing.

dont get me collecting again...

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

But that is my job!

@genesanford9412

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 seems to be working on a subconscious level..im checkin Ebay for some of the She-Ra line....

Tim and Tim were Timmed up.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Its an all Tim Tim show!

She-Ra's hair does seem a bit too long to work well as plastic. I was a big fan of the show, and my parents got me Kowl and Bow for Christmas, but not the women of the line I initially most wanted, She-Ra and Frosta. I remember putting a She-Ra into my dad's cart at Target and him complaining that it was girly, which actually was not a typical response from either my parents. I never did get any others, although I did look hard without success for Loo-Kee and Netossa. I wanted Royal Swift Wind because he was white and looked more like the TV show than the original pink version. Ditto for Scratchin' Sound Catra. I remember getting most of the Horde, but I never got Grizzlor, Catra, Entrapta, and I don't remember if I got Mosquitor or Dragstor. (My collection is in storage near my late mother's house, and I haven't been to it, just shell pout the money for the rent each month.) I always wondered what the Scratchin' Sound was like until a few years ago I saw a loose one at a flea market at the church at 4th and 1st Ave in Manhattan (Holy Family?) and discovered it was simply ratchet clicks.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Rachet clicks can be a good source of fiber.

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

That is really unfortunate that you got that reaction. I said the same to another poster with an almost identical story. I'm not "super" woke but segregating toys in the SAME story based on their gender, or trying to shame people for wanting characters in that franchise/mythology/story of both genders, especially one's who have a MAJOR role in the story, is just horrible. The repeated theme & the ugly nature of it prompted me to basically write an essay about the whole mess, sorta: "People yammer away about normal male attraction to & admiration of the female figure as relates to the art, figurines & imagery in these franchise lines being "sexist objectification" ( never once complaining about He-Man's exposed nipples & barely covered ass ), but the REAL sexism & male-chauvinism regarding She-Ra was how the toyline & comics were treated by both men & women. One of the main reasons the toy designers don't do the "real" type hair for a boy focused line is that they don't want the toy to seem "too much" like a doll, even though ( as my mean old lady former neighbour used to, with gleeful malice, tell me regarding my He-Man, Skeletor, She-Ra, Catra, Hordak, Inhumanoid monsters, Mumm-Ra, Lion-O et al ) really they are ALL ( He-Man, She-ra, Skeletor, all of em ) dolls!! In reality they are ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY dolls AND ALL action figures, with a mostly arbitrary nominal difference meant to differentiate one as a "girls'" toy & the other as a "boys'" toy, even when they are just play figures in the same greater franchise/storyverse. Brushable/rooted hair as the difference is bullsh*t: Barbie's husband Ken has molded, non-brushable/non-rooted hair, and he's still universally considered a doll: Big Jim, whom He-Man was based on, was a doll for boys: Big Jim looks JUST like a Ken doll, just with action oriented outfits, and with a more masculine & less pretty face than Ken has. Big Jim, in turn, was inspired by the original 12 inch tall G.I. Joe doll. Take Ken out of his regular clothes, slap a purple loincloth over his a$$, and drop him in a MOTU/POP scene, and he becomes Kendor the pretty-boy titan of cool breezes, flirtation & sunsets. The toy of the monstrous Horde captain Grizzlor, meanwhile, has a body covered in "brushable" hair/fur: make of that what you will. While many boys, including many heterosexual ones, bought the old She-Ra's for their MastersOTU collection, there were, sadly, many who didn't because of ridiculous "sissy" stigma ( which all too often came from their own adult relatives, if you peruse anecdotes ): particularly ridiculous because, just like many boys [ as og He-Man co-designer Mark Taylor himself stated ] liked & got the first wave Teela because she was, in Mark's words, "a babe", many boys ( myself included: 1st wave Teela was a little before my time, but She-Ra was still on shelves when I was a kid, & my little kid self got her & Catra to go with my He-Man, Skeletor, Hordak etc., BOTH because she was a major part of the masters of the universe story, AND because I thought those ladies, long legs, big eyes, long flowing hair et al, were sexy, even though I still didn't yet know what sex even was lol: my then kid-self took Catra's skirt right off to get a look at her thighs & butt lol. As above noted, according to Mark Taylor, one of He-Man's original principal design artists, I wasn't alone in that general sentiment: to quote him, Teela was modeled like a "real babe", and the Mattel marketing research teams who tested how kids reacted to toys found that the boys liked Teela a lot exactly because of that ) liked She-Ra, Catra et al exactly because they thought they were pretty; and, of course, because they are a MAJOR part of the larger He-Man & MOTU mythology/story ( & He-Man's story is improved & made both more of a classic mythology & more dynamic by She-Ra's inclusion, abducted by evil warlock narrative et al, just as She-Ra's story is greatly enhanced by the inclusion of Hordak [ & still would have been so, even if Catra had been maintained as a semi-independent 3rd party villainess who was only allied with Hordak & not in his service ). Story before toy franchises ( i.e. those where the story was the original & main product, and the toys followed after, as with DC, comic book originated franchises, movies, novels etc. ) aren't afflicted with this issue: DC has always benefited from integration of Superman & Wonderwoman, rather than the instances of deliberate segregation that Mattel sometimes took in handling the MOTU(POP) toys & minicomics & their advertising in 30 second to one minute action figure commercials ( I saw a comment from a European man who noted that there hadn't been nearly as much toy segregation in the MOTU(POP) line in Europe, and when I watched an English [ as in from England ] She-Ra toy commercial, I noted that it included both a She-Ra AND a He-Man toy, with a much more gender neutral setting & theme music, whereas She-Ra's American commercials always excluded any toys from the He-Man side of the brand, and always had background scenery & music that was decidedly MUCH more reminiscent of the look & sound of Barbie commercials than of He-Man commercials ). The Lord of The Rings movie franchise's Gandalf, Legolas AND Galadriel ALL have both "action figures" and full size, realistic hair "dolls": they are all characters in the same story, & are equally treated & marketed as such. Getting back to the realistic hair vs. molded hair as the "deciding" factor in "girls'" toy versus "boys'" toy, frankly, most males tend to prefer pretty females with pretty hair: most guys, even kid ones, DON'T find the bald look prettier on girls than actual flowing tresses lol. For anyone really worried that their sons' taste in toys may be a sign of "the gay", an overly strong interest in just getting toys of half-naked He-Man & his friend Fisto is MUCH more of a tell than your boy liking She-ra. lol All that said, it's really sad, somewhat disgusting, and an indicator of real sexism & chauvinism ( as opposed to the hyped for outrage variety ) that companies and/or social convention ever went/go to such extremes to segregate toy versions of characters in the SAME story based solely on their gender... or on whether or not they have "the good hair"."

Men wanted to be He-Man, women wanted to be with him.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I just wanted to be with the women.

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 I know that's right, lol!!

You spelled the title wrong.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, what am I missing? I would like to fix!

@scottandrewhutchins

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 You misspelled "Identity."

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottandrewhutchins ah in the video itself! Thank you

And then She-Ra was absconded into a tone deaf Netflix show.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wait until my next She-Ra video...

@cassandrarivas2022

3 жыл бұрын

i personally really enjoy the new she ra

I guess it was alright they took She Ra, but it really made me mad that I had to watch a girl cartoon to see the Evil Hoard. I bought most of the Hoard with lawn mowing money ... my first toy purchases for myself. They were so cool and gross and evil! Then they get swept away in cartoon form and wussified (is that word still OK to say?). Grizzlor and Leech went from terrifying, almost mythical monsters to standard idiot henchmen. Mantenna went from a bizarre and horrifying creature to comic relief. Hordak himself went from the one guy In the universe Skeletor was afraid of to an incompetent, second in command. They ruined the Hoard on tv, and many of my friends refused to buy into it as a result of it being part of the girl show.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

The Horde were some of my personal favorites of the vintage line. Nice use of law mowing money!

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

Grizzlor et al wouldn't have been any different in the He-Man cartoon, as it was by the mid 80s, than in the She-Ra cartoon. The She-Ra cartoon had a tone mostly identical to the He-Man one except for some of the music: that's part of the reason the mergers, when He-Man, Skeletor etc. showed up, worked so well, there was no real change of tone, & many feel that the She-Ra show was better written & better animated: the action was the same, Shadoweaver was in some ways a darker sorceress than Evil-Lyn and in some ways more powerful, etc. Hordak & Grizzlor were NEVER going to be as dark in the He-Man cartoon as it existed from early 1983 on ( lighter tone, comical Skeletor, Cringer, Orko, buffonish Ram-Man etc. ) as they were in the He-Man minicomic, or the very first She-Ra minicomic, The Story of She-Ra, where Hordak made one his very earliest appearances and is, in that brief display, identical to his He-Man minicomics version, virtual indistinguishable from his representation in the Grizzlor: The Legend comes alive minicomic which released at almost exactly the same time as the afore mentioned She-Ra minicomic ( the styles are SO similar that I strongly suspect that artist Bruce Timm [ credited on the Grizzlor & known to have done uncredited art for a later first wave She-ra minicomic ] did the art for both ). The rest of the wussy & girl show stuff is just so much rhetoric. The "girl" show was good, & was largely identical in the way it was handled to the "guy" show, with most of the same writers ( the "girl" show was perhaps a little more risque` than He-Man had been, with Frosta & Castespella trying to give He-Man the booty every time they saw him, but I liked that addition lol ). I DO think they marketed the She-Ra toys in a way that was too explicitly Barbie & girly, and I think that played to the worst stereotypes and made it harder for boys to feel comfortable getting those toys. My thoughts on the atmosphere that stigma thrived in are as follows: People yammer away about normal male attraction to & admiration of the female figure as relates to the art, figurines & imagery in these franchise lines being "sexist objectification" ( never once complaining about He-Man's exposed nipples & barely covered ass ), but the REAL sexism & male-chauvinism regarding She-Ra was how the toyline & comics were treated by both men & women. One of the main reasons the toy designers don't do the "real" type hair for a boy focused line is that they don't want the toy to seem "too much" like a doll, even though ( as my mean old lady former neighbour used to, with gleeful malice, tell me regarding my He-Man, Skeletor, She-Ra, Catra, Hordak, Inhumanoid monsters, Mumm-Ra, Lion-O et al ) really they are ALL ( He-Man, She-ra, Skeletor, all of em ) dolls!! In reality they are ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY dolls AND ALL action figures, with a mostly arbitrary nominal difference meant to differentiate one as a "girls'" toy & the other as a "boys'" toy, even when they are just play figures in the same greater franchise/storyverse. Brushable/rooted hair as the difference is bullsh*t: Barbie's husband Ken has molded, non-brushable/non-rooted hair, and he's still universally considered a doll: Big Jim, whom He-Man was based on, was a doll for boys: Big Jim looks JUST like a Ken doll, just with action oriented outfits, and with a more masculine & less pretty face than Ken has. Big Jim, in turn, was inspired by the original 12 inch tall G.I. Joe doll. Take Ken out of his regular clothes, slap a purple loincloth over his a$$, and drop him in a MOTU/POP scene, and he becomes Kendor the pretty-boy titan of cool breezes, flirtation & sunsets. The toy of the monstrous Horde captain Grizzlor, meanwhile, has a body covered in "brushable" hair/fur: make of that what you will. While many boys, including many heterosexual ones, bought the old She-Ra's for their MastersOTU collection, there were, sadly, many who didn't because of ridiculous "sissy" stigma ( which all too often came from their own adult relatives, if you peruse anecdotes ): particularly ridiculous because, just like many boys [ as og He-Man co-designer Mark Taylor himself stated ] liked & got the first wave Teela because she was, in Mark's words, "a babe", many boys ( myself included: 1st wave Teela was a little before my time, but She-Ra was still on shelves when I was a kid, & my little kid self got her & Catra to go with my He-Man, Skeletor, Hordak etc., BOTH because she was a major part of the masters of the universe story, AND because I thought those ladies, long legs, big eyes, long flowing hair et al, were sexy, even though I still didn't yet know what sex even was lol: my then kid-self took Catra's skirt right off to get a look at her thighs & butt lol. As above noted, according to Mark Taylor, one of He-Man's original principal design artists, I wasn't alone in that general sentiment: to quote him, Teela was modeled like a "real babe", and the Mattel marketing research teams who tested how kids reacted to toys found that the boys liked Teela a lot exactly because of that ) liked She-Ra, Catra et al exactly because they thought they were pretty; and, of course, because they are a MAJOR part of the larger He-Man & MOTU mythology/story ( & He-Man's story is improved & made both more of a classic mythology & more dynamic by She-Ra's inclusion, abducted by evil warlock narrative et al, just as She-Ra's story is greatly enhanced by the inclusion of Hordak [ & still would have been so, even if Catra had been maintained as a semi-independent 3rd party villainess who was only allied with Hordak & not in his service ). Story before toy franchises ( i.e. those where the story was the original & main product, and the toys followed after, as with DC, comic book originated franchises, movies, novels etc. ) aren't afflicted with this issue: DC has always benefited from integration of Superman & Wonderwoman, rather than the instances of deliberate segregation that Mattel sometimes took in handling the MOTU(POP) toys & minicomics & their advertising in 30 second to one minute action figure commercials ( I saw a comment from a European man who noted that there hadn't been nearly as much toy segregation in the MOTU(POP) line in Europe, and when I watched an English [ as in from England ] She-Ra toy commercial, I noted that it included both a She-Ra AND a He-Man toy, with a much more gender neutral setting & theme music, whereas She-Ra's American commercials always excluded any toys from the He-Man side of the brand, and always had background scenery & music that was decidedly MUCH more reminiscent of the look & sound of Barbie commercials than of He-Man commercials ). The Lord of The Rings movie franchise's Gandalf, Legolas AND Galadriel ALL have both "action figures" and full size, realistic hair "dolls": they are all characters in the same story, & are equally treated & marketed as such. Getting back to the realistic hair vs. molded hair as the "deciding" factor in "girls'" toy versus "boys'" toy, frankly, most males tend to prefer pretty females with pretty hair: most guys, even kid ones, DON'T find the bald look prettier on girls than actual flowing tresses lol. For anyone really worried that their sons' taste in toys may be a sign of "the gay", an overly strong interest in just getting toys of half-naked He-Man & his friend Fisto is MUCH more of a tell than your boy liking She-ra. lol All that said, it's really sad, somewhat disgusting, and an indicator of real sexism & chauvinism ( as opposed to the hyped for outrage variety ) that companies and/or social convention ever went/go to such extremes to segregate toy versions of characters in the SAME story based solely on their gender... or on whether or not they have "the good hair"."

We need to talk about motu UK mall shows I wish parades nope Liked the cartoon tied in with he man the tpys didn't shame got the new super 7 she ra we should of got I had she ra and bow and the rest left it was a girls toy and I didn't hear the end of it shame realy horde are cool my brother had them and fright zone Now baboons is there a door in the girls office ? Unwanted scripts written on it?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

It is awesome when siblings can come together for a more complete toy collection!

Imagine if the boys group had done something like this to the girls group?? Just butt in and steal their ideas, opportunities, concepts and credit? By now it would be a feminist talking point, we would've cancelled those guys, a Netflix documentary would be made exclusively on that subject of how men stole ideas from brilliant women... hell there would probably be a movie. Pretty low tactics if ya ask me.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Office politics is out of control in corporate worlds

and then she-ra came and boys little sister liked he-man then he was not cool no more lol

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing how that works huh?

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

@@spectorcreative1872 I think it was much more complicated. Had She-Ra "insta-ruined" He-Man ( she didn't ), then the franchise profits would have started diving soon after her release. Her toy was on shelves in early 1985, the He-Man/She-Ra movie in March of that year ,the show airing by September, and yet the entire year was He-Man's most profitable yet, and profits increased in 1986. What I was fascinated to discover was that the He-Man/She-Ra movie made more raw income and also FAR better net profit than the now classic Transformers movie which came out the following year. I think Mattel just made a lot of bad missteps in the marketing of He-Man AND of She-Ra, including their failed attempt to reintroduce the franchise in the 90s with something that just wasn't at all the series of the og fandom, but just had two characters based on He-Man and Skeletor off on a space adventure with nobody else the fandom had ever heard of. I remember getting really excited as a kid when I heard a new He-Man was coming out ( referring to New Adventures , thinking I was going to get something similar in style to the FILMATION originals, and picking up where the full story mythos had left off, i.e. Hordak, She-Ra & the Horde already established as a major part of the narrative, & a whole series taking all the He-Man, Skeletor, She-Ra, Hordak and everybody stories to a new level of epic confrontations & adventures: and I remember seeing the New Adventure's first episode & thinking, "who the f*ck are these people, where are they, and what is this??" The ponytail didn't bother me: hair grows, & I wasn't going to get any more caught up on it's presence in a show than I was with a toy: but He-Man & Skeletor looking like they'd been through reconstructive surgery, and all the other characters from the MOTU(POP) greater storyverse that I'd been expecting to see all being MIA... THAT was a problem. I think if Mattel had done the type expansion I and many others were looking for: and, honestly, I think if the 2002 series (or something VERY much like it in style ), WITH She-Ra et al, had released in the early 1990s, when the original He-Man/She-Ra series was still fresh enough in collective memory that all the kids watching the show would still have understood that He-Man, like Conan, wears a fur loincloth and that's just the way it is lol, the show would have sold toys with no problems. The 2002 series came about a decade too late for its own good, I'm afraid: to alter a now old Paul Simon song, it was born at the wrong time.

40% . . . lol nahhhh

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

No, its true. Crazy right?

I don't think boys and girls should have to play the same or feel the need to. They should be able to choose what they want to play with. When I was a kid I didn't wanna play "Barbies" with the neighbor's daughter even when offered the Ken doll to play with and she didn't want to play "GI Joes" with me even when she was offered Scarlett or The Baroness. Plus there were plenty of boys toys that didn't appeal to me and I remember she thought My Little Pony was dumb. Kids should choose what they want and not have "sameness" or "conformity" forced upon them. It will completely hinder the imagination.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Oh 1,000%. Boys and Girls (and robots) should be able to choose any toy that "calls" to them, be it doll, game, action figure or car toy. Anything as long as it is played with!

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

The problem was, especially for the boys, a lot of them did want to play with the full MOTU(POP) set, but felt intimidated out of it by the surrounding attitudes. We aren't talking the difference between a Tonka truck and a Barbie glamour make-up kit... we're talking about two similar sized, relatively similar styled ( except for the way the legs connected to the hips ) toys in the SAME larger story. I agree with your basic premise, but there are just way too many boys, many of them doubtless straightlaced heterosexual boys, who picked up a She-Ra to dropkick Skeletor with, only to have either a malicious peer or, worse, an adult, tell them the toy was only "for girls". Here is my irritated longer take on the whole subject ( not irritated with you, just with the bigger problem... and I am saying this as someone who is NOT among the super-"woke", who was kinda putoff with 2016 She-Ra foisting a "two" dads storyline on Bow, & who "objectified" my Catra toy as a child by taking her fur skirt off to see what her backside looked like lol. Quoting, well, myself lol: "People yammer away about normal male attraction to & admiration of the female figure as relates to the art, figurines & imagery in these franchise lines being "sexist objectification" ( never once complaining about He-Man's exposed nipples & barely covered ass ), but the REAL sexism & male-chauvinism regarding She-Ra was how the toyline & comics were treated by both men & women. One of the main reasons the toy designers don't do the "real" type hair for a boy focused line is that they don't want the toy to seem "too much" like a doll, even though ( as my mean old lady former neighbour used to, with gleeful malice, tell me regarding my He-Man, Skeletor, She-Ra, Catra, Hordak, Inhumanoid monsters, Mumm-Ra, Lion-O et al ) really they are ALL ( He-Man, She-ra, Skeletor, all of em ) dolls!! In reality they are ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY dolls AND ALL action figures, with a mostly arbitrary nominal difference meant to differentiate one as a "girls'" toy & the other as a "boys'" toy, even when they are just play figures in the same greater franchise/storyverse. Brushable/rooted hair as the difference is bullsh*t: Barbie's husband Ken has molded, non-brushable/non-rooted hair, and he's still universally considered a doll: Big Jim, whom He-Man was based on, was a doll for boys: Big Jim looks JUST like a Ken doll, just with action oriented outfits, and with a more masculine & less pretty face than Ken has. Big Jim, in turn, was inspired by the original 12 inch tall G.I. Joe doll. Take Ken out of his regular clothes, slap a purple loincloth over his a$$, and drop him in a MOTU/POP scene, and he becomes Kendor the pretty-boy titan of cool breezes, flirtation & sunsets. The toy of the monstrous Horde captain Grizzlor, meanwhile, has a body covered in "brushable" hair/fur: make of that what you will. While many boys, including many heterosexual ones, bought the old She-Ra's for their MastersOTU collection, there were, sadly, many who didn't because of ridiculous "sissy" stigma ( which all too often came from their own adult relatives, if you peruse anecdotes ): particularly ridiculous because, just like many boys [ as og He-Man co-designer Mark Taylor himself stated ] liked & got the first wave Teela because she was, in Mark's words, "a babe", many boys ( myself included: 1st wave Teela was a little before my time, but She-Ra was still on shelves when I was a kid, & my little kid self got her & Catra to go with my He-Man, Skeletor, Hordak etc., BOTH because she was a major part of the masters of the universe story, AND because I thought those ladies, long legs, big eyes, long flowing hair et al, were sexy, even though I still didn't yet know what sex even was lol: my then kid-self took Catra's skirt right off to get a look at her thighs & butt lol. As above noted, according to Mark Taylor, one of He-Man's original principal design artists, I wasn't alone in that general sentiment: to quote him, Teela was modeled like a "real babe", and the Mattel marketing research teams who tested how kids reacted to toys found that the boys liked Teela a lot exactly because of that ) liked She-Ra, Catra et al exactly because they thought they were pretty; and, of course, because they are a MAJOR part of the larger He-Man & MOTU mythology/story ( & He-Man's story is improved & made both more of a classic mythology & more dynamic by She-Ra's inclusion, abducted by evil warlock narrative et al, just as She-Ra's story is greatly enhanced by the inclusion of Hordak [ & still would have been so, even if Catra had been maintained as a semi-independent 3rd party villainess who was only allied with Hordak & not in his service ). Story before toy franchises ( i.e. those where the story was the original & main product, and the toys followed after, as with DC, comic book originated franchises, movies, novels etc. ) aren't afflicted with this issue: DC has always benefited from integration of Superman & Wonderwoman, rather than the instances of deliberate segregation that Mattel sometimes took in handling the MOTU(POP) toys & minicomics & their advertising in 30 second to one minute action figure commercials ( I saw a comment from a European man who noted that there hadn't been nearly as much toy segregation in the MOTU(POP) line in Europe, and when I watched an English [ as in from England ] She-Ra toy commercial, I noted that it included both a She-Ra AND a He-Man toy, with a much more gender neutral setting & theme music, whereas She-Ra's American commercials always excluded any toys from the He-Man side of the brand, and always had background scenery & music that was decidedly MUCH more reminiscent of the look & sound of Barbie commercials than of He-Man commercials ). The Lord of The Rings movie franchise's Gandalf, Legolas AND Galadriel ALL have both "action figures" and full size, realistic hair "dolls": they are all characters in the same story, & are equally treated & marketed as such. Getting back to the realistic hair vs. molded hair as the "deciding" factor in "girls'" toy versus "boys'" toy, frankly, most males tend to prefer pretty females with pretty hair: most guys, even kid ones, DON'T find the bald look prettier on girls than actual flowing tresses lol. For anyone really worried that their sons' taste in toys may be a sign of "the gay", an overly strong interest in just getting toys of half-naked He-Man & his friend Fisto is MUCH more of a tell than your boy liking She-ra. lol All that said, it's really sad, somewhat disgusting, and an indicator of real sexism & chauvinism ( as opposed to the hyped for outrage variety ) that companies and/or social convention ever went/go to such extremes to segregate toy versions of characters in the SAME story based solely on their gender... or on whether or not they have "the good hair"."

Terrible move btw. My opinion on She-Ra at the time was I would have totally bought the toys had they been made in the Masters of the Universe line but because they were made like Barbie in their own line I had zero interest. I still watched the cartoon and liked it but that was because it fit with Masters and had Masters characters in it to base my play on in the case of the Horde.

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

And this is what makes me wonder what would have happened if the line had stayed with the boys group!

@gibranlewis7300

3 жыл бұрын

The only thing like Barbie on She-Ra was that both had realistic hair, and the face. Otherwise, She-Ra's ( Catra's, Frosta's et al ) entire upperbody, from the waist up, attack-twist-action et al, right hand positioned to hold a weapon or other item, the arms, bracer design et al, was virtually identical to Teela's & Evil-Lyn's, she just didn't have that rubberband joint between her legs. I think the way the toy was marketed, more than the toy itself, was what most hindered the sales with males. That & the actual derogatory sexism, as I've noted elsewhere, & quote here: "People yammer away about normal male attraction to & admiration of the female figure as relates to the art, figurines & imagery in these franchise lines being "sexist objectification" ( never once complaining about He-Man's exposed nipples & barely covered ass ), but the REAL sexism & male-chauvinism regarding She-Ra was how the toyline & comics were treated by both men & women. One of the main reasons the toy designers don't do the "real" type hair for a boy focused line is that they don't want the toy to seem "too much" like a doll, even though ( as my mean old lady former neighbour used to, with gleeful malice, tell me regarding my He-Man, Skeletor, She-Ra, Catra, Hordak, Inhumanoid monsters, Mumm-Ra, Lion-O et al ) really they are ALL ( He-Man, She-ra, Skeletor, all of em ) dolls!! In reality they are ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY dolls AND ALL action figures, with a mostly arbitrary nominal difference meant to differentiate one as a "girls'" toy & the other as a "boys'" toy, even when they are just play figures in the same greater franchise/storyverse. Brushable/rooted hair as the difference is bullsh*t: Barbie's husband Ken has molded, non-brushable/non-rooted hair, and he's still universally considered a doll: Big Jim, whom He-Man was based on, was a doll for boys: Big Jim looks JUST like a Ken doll, just with action oriented outfits, and with a more masculine & less pretty face than Ken has. Big Jim, in turn, was inspired by the original 12 inch tall G.I. Joe doll. Take Ken out of his regular clothes, slap a purple loincloth over his a$$, and drop him in a MOTU/POP scene, and he becomes Kendor the pretty-boy titan of cool breezes, flirtation & sunsets. The toy of the monstrous Horde captain Grizzlor, meanwhile, has a body covered in "brushable" hair/fur: make of that what you will. While many boys, including many heterosexual ones, bought the old She-Ra's for their MastersOTU collection, there were, sadly, many who didn't because of ridiculous "sissy" stigma ( which all too often came from their own adult relatives, if you peruse anecdotes ): particularly ridiculous because, just like many boys [ as og He-Man co-designer Mark Taylor himself stated ] liked & got the first wave Teela because she was, in Mark's words, "a babe", many boys ( myself included: 1st wave Teela was a little before my time, but She-Ra was still on shelves when I was a kid, & my little kid self got her & Catra to go with my He-Man, Skeletor, Hordak etc., BOTH because she was a major part of the masters of the universe story, AND because I thought those ladies, long legs, big eyes, long flowing hair et al, were sexy, even though I still didn't yet know what sex even was lol: my then kid-self took Catra's skirt right off to get a look at her thighs & butt lol. As above noted, according to Mark Taylor, one of He-Man's original principal design artists, I wasn't alone in that general sentiment: to quote him, Teela was modeled like a "real babe", and the Mattel marketing research teams who tested how kids reacted to toys found that the boys liked Teela a lot exactly because of that ) liked She-Ra, Catra et al exactly because they thought they were pretty; and, of course, because they are a MAJOR part of the larger He-Man & MOTU mythology/story ( & He-Man's story is improved & made both more of a classic mythology & more dynamic by She-Ra's inclusion, abducted by evil warlock narrative et al, just as She-Ra's story is greatly enhanced by the inclusion of Hordak [ & still would have been so, even if Catra had been maintained as a semi-independent 3rd party villainess who was only allied with Hordak & not in his service ). Story before toy franchises ( i.e. those where the story was the original & main product, and the toys followed after, as with DC, comic book originated franchises, movies, novels etc. ) aren't afflicted with this issue: DC has always benefited from integration of Superman & Wonderwoman, rather than the instances of deliberate segregation that Mattel sometimes took in handling the MOTU(POP) toys & minicomics & their advertising in 30 second to one minute action figure commercials ( I saw a comment from a European man who noted that there hadn't been nearly as much toy segregation in the MOTU(POP) line in Europe, and when I watched an English [ as in from England ] She-Ra toy commercial, I noted that it included both a She-Ra AND a He-Man toy, with a much more gender neutral setting & theme music, whereas She-Ra's American commercials always excluded any toys from the He-Man side of the brand, and always had background scenery & music that was decidedly MUCH more reminiscent of the look & sound of Barbie commercials than of He-Man commercials ). The Lord of The Rings movie franchise's Gandalf, Legolas AND Galadriel ALL have both "action figures" and full size, realistic hair "dolls": they are all characters in the same story, & are equally treated & marketed as such. Getting back to the realistic hair vs. molded hair as the "deciding" factor in "girls'" toy versus "boys'" toy, frankly, most males tend to prefer pretty females with pretty hair: most guys, even kid ones, DON'T find the bald look prettier on girls than actual flowing tresses lol. For anyone really worried that their sons' taste in toys may be a sign of "the gay", an overly strong interest in just getting toys of half-naked He-Man & his friend Fisto is MUCH more of a tell than your boy liking She-ra. lol All that said, it's really sad, somewhat disgusting, and an indicator of real sexism & chauvinism ( as opposed to the hyped for outrage variety ) that companies and/or social convention ever went/go to such extremes to segregate toy versions of characters in the SAME story based solely on their gender... or on whether or not they have "the good hair"."

I always wondered why the POP line of figures looks like buff transvestites?

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

Can't say i thought that, but....

I need boyfriend 💋💋💋💋💋💞💞💞💞

@power-upstudios794

3 жыл бұрын

Simp

@spectorcreative1872

3 жыл бұрын

I"m sure you can find one