Dr YQ clearly said it is haram & forbidden but won't go as far as to say it's syirk. We do not know the intentions of those practicing it. To say they are musyrik has huge implications. Their meat is not halal, we cannot marry their daughters, can't allow them to enter our mosques & it's totally divisive.

@uzzy_787

9 ай бұрын

With this stupid logic we can't takfir anyone

@tazboy1934

8 ай бұрын

​​@@uzzy_787it's very dangerous for laymen to do takfir ...it's actually prohibited for laymen to do takfir...only high level scholars can do with severe conditions

@muslimsakemuslim7956

7 ай бұрын

@@tazboy1934 Yes but how YQ describes it not even the scholars are allowed because nothing is shirk according to him then.

@AlMulk21

2 ай бұрын

@@tazboy1934 Thats a lie. Show me who said that laymen are not allowed to do takfeer. If the evidence is brought to a laymen, he has to do takfeer. By your logic, no revert were allowed to say la ilaha which is kufr bit taghut. The one who commits shirk is a kafir, and istigatha to other then Allah is per Ijma SHIRK and whoever allows it is a kafir and whoever does it is a mushrik.

@ReturningRuh

20 күн бұрын

@@AlMulk21 1. Istighāthah, whether directed towards the living or the deceased, still affirms that Allah retains exclusive authority and power, regardless if the intermediary’s assistance is sought. 2. Shirk manifests when individuals attribute divine attributes or intrinsic abilities to anyone other than Allah, whether living or deceased. 3. Istighāthah, by its nature, does not confer divine attributes nor intrinsic ability upon intermediaries. 4. Those who believe in the inherent ability of the living or deceased to grant assistance independently of Allah are, in fact, committing shirk by rejecting Allah's absolute authority and power. 5. Therefore, Istighāthah, when properly understood and practiced, doesn’t contradict Tawhīd because one is still affirming Allah as the ultimate source of all help and assistance, despite if one seeks assistance from the living or the deceased.

May Allah guide you to the straight path

genius sheikh

I gotta share my opinion on this and on my lil understanding, I am nobody and just a learner of knowledge. For me tawassul on RasulAllah is permissible with the evidences from the salaf itself while I view istigathah as makruh not shirk, I mean we have a lot of evidence of istigatha done by the a’imma of the ummah but it becomes makruh to the laymen and it becomes open to shirk, if there is no evidence about istigatha I would plainly declare it shirk but the evidence are there however I still view it inappropriate even though you dont mean to call upon the saliheen to be the sustainer of help thinking that Allah is still the sustainer. it is still makruh and inappropriate, dua is for Allah alone, nothing else you should be calling du’a

@Wedowhatwedo123

11 ай бұрын

Why not as bidah? Yeah there are scholars who have allowed it but they are later ones. Give me one scholar from the time of abu hanifa till the time of imam ahmed who allowed it. And general tawassul like by the right of etc is makruh in hanafi madhab Or atleast this is one of the opinion in the madhab and other opinion is its allowed Edit:don't reply on general tawassul part cause I personally don't deem it makruh

@-Ahmed8592

10 ай бұрын

Istigatha isn’t dua to anyone but Allah. Just follow the Shafi’i madhab on it you have little understanding

@AlMulk21

2 ай бұрын

Its because your a clear Jahil. Asking other then Allah for help is for the Juhal no problem it seems. Tawheed is for you people a term which you never use because you distorted the meaning. Istigathe to other then Allah is by consensus of the salaf shirk, so dont claim salafiyyah ya jahil.

Shaykh Asrar's current position seems to be it is discouraged in this day and age of ignorance.

@sosacarlos5971

8 ай бұрын

This is Shaykh Asrar's position: Istighatha through the Best of Creation ﷺ is never shirk in this world or the next world. Tawassul and Istighatha is permissible according to the 4 Madhabs.

@AlMulk21

2 ай бұрын

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Let there be curse of Allah upon the Jews and the Christians for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. Grading - Sahih Sahih Muslim 530b You still think its allowed to call upon dead ? If so your a disbeliever and polytheist. Stop lying. All of the Imams declared calling upon other then Allah Shirk.

@MichiganTroopers123

5 күн бұрын

@@AlMulk21lol who are you again? Come back when you’ve studied

Only people who have flawed aqida find tawassul and istigatha as shirk. When you have unsound core beliefs, as in shirk, then of course tawassal and istigatha will be seen as shirk. Not only that, but your pretensions to tawhid also demonstrate shirk. Once you have sound aqida, and thus, hold a metaphysical cosmological view of reality, then all dimensions of reality become hierarhically arranged properly. Then it all makes sense. If istigatha and tawassal are seen as shirk by you, but not asking for a doctor for help, then you are holding unsound beliefs and you need to correct you're aqida.

Muslims should avoid practices that are controversial like this. It’s like walking on a railway track. It’s very dangerous.

@n.a3642

11 ай бұрын

Def but I think it's high time we start educating the masses or at least put out enough resources to show it isn't always shirk and why the Najdi understanding isn't completely correct and dangerous.

@NicholasMoskov1

11 ай бұрын

I agree, as a layman, if we aren't sure, we shouldn't indulge. But making takfir on brothers in Islam is a grave sin in itself and must also be avoided. Sayyiduna ‘Umar ibn Al Khattab (radiyallahu ‘anhu) said: “Assume the best about your brother until what comes to you from him overcomes you (and you have to change your opinion).” So as a layman muslim, I cannot assume that the most of the traditional Scholars of Islam and the Ashari majority of the Ummah are Mushirkeen. The evidence from these Ulema make it impossible to definitively declare these actions as shirk, only discuss from an educated point of view. As a layman, we just need to take it easy, do a normative practice with all of our fellow brothers, and ask for guidance from Allah.

@-Ahmed8592

10 ай бұрын

In some places wearing Hijab is controversial should Muslims do that as well???

SO GUYS YOU ARE SIMPLY INSULTING IMAM SHAFI & 4 MADHABS

According to the ending of Dr Yasir Qadhi, Shirk says Hi guys I am coming 😄😄😄

...Tawasul of the dead is bidd'ah according to Salafi scholars like Sh M. Didu because we only know of Allah's names & our good deeds as being advised for Tawasul in the Prophet Alehisalaam's sayings.🧐

@ImranHussain-mi2iv

Жыл бұрын

Sh Didu is not a Salafi

@ImranHussain-mi2iv

Жыл бұрын

i believe he is not

@mdkhan3928

Жыл бұрын

@@ImranHussain-mi2iv He is - he just doesn't spend much time doing TABDEEH - i.e. he is deviant, he is an innovator etc.

@mdkhan3928

Жыл бұрын

@@ImranHussain-mi2iv He is but just not the Najdi type.🤷🏿‍♀️😇

@ImranHussain-mi2iv

Жыл бұрын

@@mdkhan3928 I respectfully disagree

Where is the evidence for seeking help from the dead is permissible?

@Kalam18595

2 жыл бұрын

Just like someone taking medicine to cure himself. The medicine is just a pill, it’s not alive. It’s shirk to believe the medicine actually cures you without Allāh But you’re allowed to use the medicine as a means Same as calling the prophets and saints in the grave. Just like how Musa helped us by telling the prophet to reduce our number of prayers. We ask them to ask Allāh to forgive us.

@user-gj1ru9oe7h

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kalam18595 musa didn’t call upon a dead person though. Is there anything in the quran or sunnah that says we may call upon the dead to help us?

@Kalam18595

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-gj1ru9oe7h So if Musa wasn’t dead during the Isra and Miraj, then it should be fair to say that he and the other prophets aren’t dead now. So no one is technically calling on dead people, the prophets and saints are alive in their graves. No difference in calling them now or yesterday

@user-gj1ru9oe7h

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kalam18595 this incident took place on isra wal miraj, a separate incident which is a miracle in and of itself, made possible by Allah. I asked if there any evidence in the quran or sunnah for seeking help from the dead? Musa speaking to the prophet on isra wal miraj is a miracle from allah.

@Kalam18595

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-gj1ru9oe7h no one speaks to the dead, they’re alive in their graves. Look at verse 4:64, show me where one scholar said that this verse has been abrogated because the prophet “is dead”. In fact look at Ibn Kathirs tafsir, he even shows how someone went to the prophets grave to ask for forgiveness

There's no proof it is haram. There's no proof it is shirk. Think critically about both things.

@iMan-610

7 ай бұрын

It has proof. People of other world cannot cause benefit or harm .and Allah says: (10:106) "Do not call upon any apart from Allah on those who have no power to benefit or hurt you"

...intention when you do an act of Shirk/Kufr Akbar is irrelevant - except under duress obviously.🤷🏿‍♀️😇

If this is not shirk then nothing is.

"Najdi Dawa"?? why not just call it "Wahabism" Good to see you get your senses back. But I reccomend you hasten to the truth faster.

Tell me the definition of Shirk then! What were the Quraysh people doing that made the prophet and allah declare them as Mushriks?

@namakubento9276

Ай бұрын

Shirk : associating Allah with other What quraish did that made them declared as mushrik? : they were doing it, they associated Allah with someone and/or something than Him What else? whats definition of shirk other than that? What else they did that made Allah calls them as mushrik, other than that?

@manmale9828

17 күн бұрын

@@namakubento9276 Did they associate Allah by words or actions? Clearly, with their actions, by invoking up on the statues of Lat, Uzza, Hubal... In their words, they were saying, "These are only intercessors and not our gods!" This means, you don't need to see someone speaking that he associates sth else with Allah. If you see him doing it, that is all!

@namakubento9276

17 күн бұрын

@@manmale9828 meccan disbelievers said "theyre not our god"?, Nah, they viewed their idols as gods/deities Only wahhabists would say that way, that idol worshipers never worshiped their idols

@manmale9828

17 күн бұрын

​@@namakubento9276 Surah Yunus (10:18): وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ مَا لَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلَا يَنفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَـٰٓؤُلَآءِ شُفَعَـٰٓؤُنَا عِندَ ٱللَّهِ قُلْ أَتُنَبِّـُٔونَ ٱللَّهَ بِمَا لَا يَعْلَمُ فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَاتِ وَلَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ وَتَعَـٰلَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ "And they worship besides Allah things that neither harm them nor benefit them, and they say, 'These are our intercessors with Allah.' Say, 'Do you inform Allah of something He does not know in the heavens or on the earth?' Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him." Surah Yunus: verse 10

@manmale9828

17 күн бұрын

​@@namakubento9276 To say someone is gonna kill you, you don't have to wait for a him to say he will kill you. If he says "No, I am not gonna kill you. I am just trying to test my new gun!", he is your killer. Actions speak more than mouths. Trying to complicate Quranic verses to fit with your selfish interests is another topic...

Asking the dead ain’t shirk anymore according to Dr. Yale! May Allah protects us from the misguided sheiks. “And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided.” Surah Al-Baqarah

@thewhitemoor

2 жыл бұрын

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@nsayyed5469

Жыл бұрын

actually wahabiyah are misguided people on this issue and blaming ummah of shirk cuz they dont understood istigatha as aslaf did they understand istigatha by there new aqaeed of ibn tymiyah and ibn abdul wahab , my allah protect us from fitna of wahabiyah which is dajal of wahabiya

@maxwellmallery5638

Жыл бұрын

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@shifeq9770

Жыл бұрын

It was invented as shirk in 17th century by khawarij wahabi movement

@a.g1985

Жыл бұрын

@@shifeq9770 WoW didn’t know tawheed was invented in the 7th Century! Tnx a lot mr. Genius

He changed it because they are brown

ضال مضل هداك الله

By this logic, nothing is Shirk. We can pray to a tree and say we have a long list of people doing it in the past and present.

@infoage265

5 ай бұрын

It is more nuanced than that brother. Praying to a tree or anything other than Allah and that is not disputed by anyone. The issue is what constitutes prayer and what does not. Those who perform istighathah believe their blessings are coming solely from Allah and not from the dead person they call upon. They believe the dead person is just a means like water is a means to quench thirst when it is in fact Allah that quenches the thirst.

@hassanadan7371

5 ай бұрын

@@infoage265 a means to what, who and where?

@infoage265

5 ай бұрын

@@hassanadan7371 Water is means to quenching thirst although it is infact Allah in reality that quenches thirst. In that sense the righteous status of the dead man is a means to having their dua accepted by Allah because of their love of that individual. The dua is to Allah in reality not the dead person and they believe the love of the dead person will be a cause for Allah accepting the dua. They believe the dead are in fact doing nothing or if they do anything then it is Allah that gave them the ability, therefore it is still only Allah sending the blessing. The calling out to the person by name is just an expression or a greeting but the belief is that Allah is the only one that protects and blesses. This is why some of the ulema of the past declared it as an action that resembles shirk but has not actually reached the level of shirk. They deemed it Haram because of its resemblance to shirk but did not declare those who did it as mushrikeen as long as they believed ability is only with Allah. This was a widely accepted position among scholars for centuries and this is what Yasir Qadhi is talking about.

@Mehmet_Fateh

3 ай бұрын

The issue is more nuanced than that. First, nobody prays to the Prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. Second, He, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, is alive in his grave. Third, the angels convey your salam to Him, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. Forth, our deeds are presented to Him, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and He seeks forgiveness on our behalf. With all that taken into account, you cannot say that istighatha is shirk, as the claim is that you are asking the Prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, to make du'a on your behalf. Do I make istighatha through the Prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam? No. But I cannot label those who do as mushrikeen.

@hassanadan7371

3 ай бұрын

@@Mehmet_Fateh provide clear evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. Of course non. Just pure emotions.

It's SHIRK!!!!!! End OF