Sharpening Mora Pro Robust & Hultafors GK (Polskie Napisy)

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Restoring the edges of the Mora Robust Pro and the Hultafors Heavy Duty Knife after the abuse field test and pull ups. There are numerous ways and sharpening systems available. However, none of them will be perfect and suitable for all the different blade types and designs.
People are generally unable to maintain an angle while sharpening, therefore, we inevitably create edges which are more or less convex. To avoid that, we invented various useful devices, which hold a knife, as well as the sharpening stone, at a fixed angle. One of such devices is the Lansky Deluxe Knife Sharpening System (in the picture above), which allows us to create those perfect, razor v-shaped cutting edges.
The problem with such edges is, as shown in the test, that they are fragile. They tend to chip, roll and dull quicker than convex edges. Yes, they cut better but is it really noticeable in a day-to-day use of a utility knife? Take a look at the video below, where I show how a strong convex edge push cuts paper towel. Do you really need your bushcraft/survival knife to be sharper than that? I know I don't.
Therefore, for my bushcraft or EDC knives I tend to use other sharpeners and save the Lansky System for special occasions. If I'm out in the field, I might use a simple double sided DC4, which can bring your edges to hair popping sharpness even without a strop. It's small and lightweight which makes it easy to transport. I might also use an even smaller, lighter and simpler diamond pen rod, which also works well, although, it seems to require a strop as it is much coarser.
Those are great in the field but at home their, otherwise advantages, small size, makes them quite inefficient and less safe. It takes more time to remove steel with such a small sharpener, plus it's easier to cut yourself when you have to manoeuvre round small surface with a large sharp object.
For me the choice is simple. At home I use water stones grit 400 to 3000, followed by a home-made strop. While they are a bit a pain to use as they need to be soaked in water for several minutes before use, they get worn out and need to be evened up every now and then, and the whole process of sharpening can be a bit messy, they are still the best option for more serious home sharpening. Why? They're relatively inexpensive, they don't have moving parts (easy to use and can't break unless you drop them on the floor), don't require extra special equipment, are large enough but not too large, and do not determine your sharpening angle, which allows you to slightly convex your edges if you choose to do so.
Ostrzenie Mory Robust Pro i Hulaforsa GK Heavy Duty po ciężkim teście wytrzymałościowym z batonowaniem, struganiem twardego drewna i podciąganiem się na nożach wbitych w drzewo.
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  • @fernandojimenez2922
    @fernandojimenez292224 күн бұрын

    Muy bien afilado creo k mejor corte el mora te felicito desde España

  • @ilovealbundy
    @ilovealbundy5 жыл бұрын

    Wow, this is the best video i've ever seen about sharpening a Hultafors and a Mora knife. I have both knifes, and i am really happy to found your video on youtube! Thank you very much for uploading your very helphful video! 👍

  • @derekstynes9631

    @derekstynes9631

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ditto and Thank You !

  • @paulob.7343
    @paulob.73438 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for cheering your knowledge. Keep on!

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Paulo B. You're welcome. Thanks for watching.

  • @PizomGagal
    @PizomGagal6 ай бұрын

    Że ja nie wpadłem przez tyle lat na to , że kamień można spryskać wodą z takiego pojemnika ... ciemność rozjaśniona , dzięki .

  • @mistersmith3986
    @mistersmith39867 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video brother. Thanks!

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @topcatskk
    @topcatskk6 жыл бұрын

    Greetings from Ireland. Great information and great video. Thanks for sharing your skill.

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you and thanks for watching.

  • @MichaelTravis12c27
    @MichaelTravis12c279 жыл бұрын

    Very good tutorial Szymon.

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    9 жыл бұрын

    Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors Thank you :) I felt like sharpening should follow the abuse test.

  • @CliffStamp
    @CliffStamp9 жыл бұрын

    Nice work.

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    9 жыл бұрын

    Cliff Stamp Thanks :)

  • @fatihunal2713
    @fatihunal27135 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Simon

  • @adalberthawkins
    @adalberthawkins5 жыл бұрын

    Fajny film.

  • @ivanmowczan1457
    @ivanmowczan14579 жыл бұрын

    Dzięki, jestem w temacie bushcraftu moze od 2dni :) i własnie kminiłem jak ostrzyc noze, jak dla mnei super poradnik, noze działają juz jak nalezy - ucze sie na kuchennych :) i dzieki ze po angielsku, w koncu cos sie poucze ze słuchu :)

  • @ivanmowczan1457

    @ivanmowczan1457

    9 жыл бұрын

    Simon's Discoveries jesli mogłbym prosic, zrobiłbys w wolnym czasie filmik w ktorym wyjasniłbys dosć łopatologicznie jakie osełki uzywac, w jakiej kolejnosci, jak je moczyc [czytałem gdzies ze wystarczy pryskac na biezaco, a gdzie indziej ze 12h w misce z wodą]. Czyli dosc długi materiał

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    9 жыл бұрын

    Wodzirej Makłowicz Myślę, że zrobię tak jak teraz. Czyli krótki film instruktażowy i szczegóły na blogu jeśli ci nie przeszkadza czytanie po angielsku. Ale na niektóre pytania mogę odpowiedzieć tutaj teraz. Nie znam się za bardzo na fizyce ostrzenia. Może istnieją gdzieś kamienie, które trzeba moczyć 12 godzin. Mnie wystarcza 5 minut, czyli aż bąbelki przestaną się wydobywać ze szczelin. Można, a nawet trzeba, kamień spryskiwać bo wysycha. Lepiej jak ten osad, który się zbiera przy ostrzeniu, jest mokry. Lepiej wtedy poleruje i łatwiej się ostrzy.

  • @bluebird1422

    @bluebird1422

    6 жыл бұрын

    jakiej gradacji papier masz do wykańczania ostrza?

  • @bobc9498
    @bobc94989 жыл бұрын

    Hi Thanks for the great video You mention modifications you previously made to the grind of the hultafors knife. Could you please explain what these modifications were? Many thanks Bob

  • @44szaman
    @44szaman6 жыл бұрын

    W moim GK podwyższyłem szlif na jakieś dwa milimetry i facet tnie jak wściekły! Pozdrowinki!

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    6 жыл бұрын

    Zauważyłem, że to konieczny zabieg w wielu nożach. Trochę dodatkowej roboty.

  • @44szaman

    @44szaman

    6 жыл бұрын

    Simon's Discoveries - Tak - to jest konieczne. Daje dobre efekty. Pozdrówki.

  • @einzigkeit7216
    @einzigkeit72168 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much sir, the Mora seems to cut more than the Hultafors :-)

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    Initially but it pays the price for it - the edge is more fragile until you convex it a bit.

  • @einzigkeit7216

    @einzigkeit7216

    8 жыл бұрын

    I've been watching your channel a lot recently and I've got my first 3 knives , I choose Hultafors Heavy Duty, the Hultafors HVK GH and the mora Heavy Duty companion. Hultafors Heavy Duty is pretty strong knives great handle and the blade is razor sharp. The HVK GH is awesome too, I really like this craftman little knife. The mora is a superb too, but I've a little preference for hultafors HD. Thanks again Simon for your great knowledge. :-)

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    Einzigkeit G Thank you. I'm glad I could help.

  • @adboroutdoor..7662
    @adboroutdoor..7662 Жыл бұрын

    Bardzo dobry materiał, dzięki. Angielski też, dopiero po jakimś czasie zorientowałem się, że jesteś Polakiem. Widziałem gdzieś jakiś komentarz, że wolisz wyprawy w teren w Polsce. Dlaczego, czym przyroda różni się tu i tam?

  • @survivingdenmark2516
    @survivingdenmark25168 жыл бұрын

    what grain sandpaper do you use for the strop, and do you use polishing compound on the strop leather?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Surviving Denmark I think it was 1000 grit but I also use finer ones like 2000 up to 2500. I do not use any compound since sand paper seems to do the same job just as well if not better. Thanks for watching.

  • @Airik1111bibles
    @Airik1111bibles7 жыл бұрын

    Its funny the more I have learned about knives and sharpening I've found that paper cutting only shows that your edge is polished sharp, but a nice toothy edge last a heck of a lot longer. A nice sharp edge with a bit of grab to it is perfect IMO especially for good long term work. I gotta try out one of these Hultifors they look nice and big good grips. So Simon when ya gonna get a Mora Garberg? I was one of the many who complained about the knife but now that I own one and have used it extensively I can tell brother they are excellent knives, I seriously think it could survive the apocalypse. I love Mora knives but this one is on a whole different level, if it had a different brands name on it like "Fallkniven" nobody would blink an eye at the price point. Fortunately I scored mine for $56 back during Christmas, and I have to say it was the best deal I've had all year, I don't leave home without it and now its my edc. Their leather sheath is nice and I'm getting to like it more and more, the flap and snap design was new to me but it really rides nice on the hip and doesn't scream "look I'm a big dangerous knife" to worried citizens😅 I highly recommend getting one the ,14C28N Sandvik is awesome steel....Hope you're doing well friend, I miss seeing your video reviews. blessings from Silverton Oregon.

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    I just came back from Oregon :) Nice state. It was my first trip up there. I suppose it depends what you use your knives/blades for. I don't think you'd like to use a jagged edge for shaving :) I wouldn't say toothy edges last longer because polished edges simply have smoother surfaces and fewer rought spots, which are easier to damage. But micro-serrated adges certainly perform better when it comes to cutting meet vegetables and other soft smooth surfaces. With all the things I've been busy doing lately, I haven't even thought about another knife. But so many people have told me to get one, I might do so eventually :)

  • @Airik1111bibles

    @Airik1111bibles

    7 жыл бұрын

    Simon's Discoveries Simon's Discoveries Very true, when cutting meat and fish a nice toothy micro serrations can come in handy, but yep you are very right polished is the winner for bushcrafting and whittling. I got me one of these Hultifors thanks to your videos, mine had a bit of an odd shape from the upward sweep of the belly to the tip, not as much edge as the Mora Pro. That sk5 steel is really nice, I like how it sharpens up and polishes very smooth, I had a problem removing the bur on mine but once I got it off its wicked sharp now. I am planning on using a wood burning tool on the handle for better grip, I've watched a couple how to vids, it looks really cool so ile let ya know how it turns out. I'd have to say out of every knife I've owned this $13 Hultifors gives me the least amount of forearm fatigue I've ever had, wish I had bought it two years ago😉

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, they do come with a rather nasty secondary bevel. I reground both of them on arrival. I turned them into something you might call a scandi-vex edge which, in my experience, is the best compromise between ease of cutting and durability. It's essentially a little convexed scandi grind as you may have guessed :)

  • @Airik1111bibles

    @Airik1111bibles

    7 жыл бұрын

    Simon's Discoveries Yep all my knives get the same treatment, I love the scandivex, for me I've had way better experience with edge durability.

  • @lucatabanelli2636
    @lucatabanelli26369 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the useful video, Simon. Where can you buy a large honing stone like the one you you use in the video and a proper stone flatter in Europe? Thanks! Just subbed

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    9 жыл бұрын

    Luca Tabanelli I'm glad you liked it :) I mostly get them on Amazon. Thanks for watching and subscribing.

  • @BAAAASJE
    @BAAAASJE9 жыл бұрын

    If I sharpen my victorinox pocket knife with a wetstone, can I then just use a stropping leather for stropping or do I need that sandpaper strip too? I'm new to all this, I have some experience with sharpening chisels (I'm studying watchmaking, so I use those a lot on the lathe) but I have no experience with sharpening knives yet.

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    9 жыл бұрын

    Bas Q. It depends on how smooth you want your edge to be and how fine/coarse your stone is. I use sand paper before leather because it removes the burr made by the stone much quicker. But when using my super fine stones, I don't really have a perceptible bur and then the leather strip will do. In fact, you can leave almost no burr using even relatively coarse stones (400-600). You just need to reduce the force with which you press the knife agains the stone to almost nothing on the last few strokes. But I have to admit, that takes some practice.

  • @Moudmenn
    @Moudmenn5 жыл бұрын

    Hello! I like the video so much! I have two questions i hope you can answer. Would you say that one steel of either knives is better than the other. Because I saw it took more effort to sharpen the Hultafors. Can i use my 3000 stone instead of a strop? thank you

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hi. I'm glad you liked it. I may have shown more of one than the other but it definitely doesn't take more to sharpen the Hultafors, provided that both edges are equally dull to begin with and none of them needs to be re-profiled. Hultafors' steel has less carbon and is supposed to be a little bit softer. It means it'll be tougher but won't hold an edge as well as that of the Mora. Which is better will depend on what you prefer. If you're able to remove the burr on the 3000 grit stone... sure. You could change the stroke direction and go very gently and it should kind of do the trick and give you somewhat similar results. But that may not be as easy and effective as a leather strop.

  • @Moudmenn

    @Moudmenn

    5 жыл бұрын

    Simon's Discoveries thank you so much fro replying to a 4 year old video)just realized. About the hultafors i head they come with a secondary bevel (v edge), is that true? did you regrind yours? thanks a lot! I am trying to figure which one is best for me, because I don't live in europe nor in the u.s, so getting either will not be cheap.

  • @atommachine
    @atommachine8 жыл бұрын

    What would you do if it had a chip in the blade?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    +atommachine I would resharpen in more thoroughly. Removing the chip also decreases the hight of the bevel so you need to lift it up so that the angle of the edge doesn't get too steep. A bit more work and time is needed to do that.

  • @vitantoniospinelli1852
    @vitantoniospinelli18524 жыл бұрын

    Name.of the stone to sharp? Thanks

  • @Daniel-dj7fh
    @Daniel-dj7fh7 жыл бұрын

    what dos the leather and the dry sandpaper do at the end?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    Daniel Schlegel they remove the burr and polish the edge.

  • @Daniel-dj7fh

    @Daniel-dj7fh

    7 жыл бұрын

    i've also heard that you leather straight cut razors for shaving, does that also just polish the blade?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    Daniel Schlegel most likely. It'll restore the edge to a degree but you can't rely on leather for ever. When it comes to shaving polishing makes a lot of sense as it removes microserrations that can irritate the skin.

  • @wad6216
    @wad62164 жыл бұрын

    can you turn the HD knife into a true Scandi?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes you can.

  • @qweenbee817
    @qweenbee8179 жыл бұрын

    what stone you are using budy

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    9 жыл бұрын

    Qween Bee A Master Calss combination stone 400-1000

  • @JesperKydster
    @JesperKydster4 жыл бұрын

    A co to masz za skórę do polerki?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    4 жыл бұрын

    A już nie pamiętam ale pewnie jak zwykle, jakaś z odzysku, ze starej torebki żony.

  • @joshuatate9163
    @joshuatate91637 жыл бұрын

    What kind of stone did yo use in this video? I really like it.

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    I think it was a MasterClass much like this one www.amazon.com/Master-Class-Combination-Whetstone-Sharpener/dp/B003ASDAGU

  • @joshuatate9163

    @joshuatate9163

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @jpjdo1212
    @jpjdo12128 жыл бұрын

    where did you get that water stone?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Paolo Jiz de ortega I think it was on Amazon.

  • @jpjdo1212

    @jpjdo1212

    8 жыл бұрын

    is there a particular brand? or is it just a generic one?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    Paolo Jiz de ortega I have a MasterClass and Taidea stones, which are pretty good and relatively inexpensive.

  • @andrzejchyzy6345
    @andrzejchyzy63459 жыл бұрын

    czy blog jest dostępny także w języku polskim? :)

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    9 жыл бұрын

    Andrzej Chyży Niestety nie. Trochę za dużo roboty. Ale niedługo wyrzucą mnie z pracy, to będę miał więcej czasu. Wtedy zobaczymy ;)

  • @andrzejchyzy6345

    @andrzejchyzy6345

    9 жыл бұрын

    Oby nie, juz lepiej żebym się wreszcie podszkolił z angielskiego :)

  • @michamadrawski664
    @michamadrawski6644 жыл бұрын

    Nie wiem, czy dobrze widziałem. Najpierw z tych powiedzmy 30 stopni scandi nieco zmniejszasz kąt, a potem dodajesz na samej krawędzi dodatkowy kąt już dużo większy, który trochę zaokrągla i uodparnia krawędź?

  • @eric.j778
    @eric.j7787 жыл бұрын

    how to know which stone/grid you have?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    boxy pandora I used 400 to 1000 grit bit it doesn't mean it has to be this combination.

  • @eric.j778

    @eric.j778

    7 жыл бұрын

    Simon's Discoveries okay because i do have one which is very smooth was just wondering if it made a difference

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    boxy pandora it will make a difference if you're knife is very dull and needs to have its edge restored. In that case you'd like to use a coarser stone to save time and effort.

  • @eric.j778

    @eric.j778

    7 жыл бұрын

    Simon's Discoveries alright thanks

  • @blackdogxx
    @blackdogxx8 жыл бұрын

    What is the point in gently passing a fingernail on the edge?

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    +blackdogxx Checking for microchips and rolls/burr. It tells me if the edge is perfect or if it needs more work. If you can feel any bumps, it's not ready. At least by my standards.

  • @Mateo-vx5hx
    @Mateo-vx5hx8 жыл бұрын

    Dlaczego dopiero teraz zobaczyłem ten filmik?! Ja tam ostrzę nóż normalnie po szlifie. Po to jest scandi, żeby się nie męczyć z trzymaniem kąta. Nożyk zostawiam po gradacji 2000 na papierze ściernym. Skóry niestety nie mam do polerowania... :(

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Krul Mateusz I tak idealnie kąta nigdy nie utrzymasz. Chcąc nie chcąc, jak nie dasz tego na jakiegoś dżiga, to i tak będzie lekki convex. Zabierz mamie starą torebkę skórzaną, czy buty i będzie dobrze. Ja tak swojej babie podbieram co jakiś czas i skóry ci u mnie dostatek :)

  • @Mateo-vx5hx

    @Mateo-vx5hx

    8 жыл бұрын

    Spróbuję. Używasz noży bardzo dużo, nie zastanawiałeś się nad jakimś systemem ostrzącym np. Lansky? Ja własnie sobie tak rozkminiam, ponieważ ostrzenie RATa idzie mi średnio, a ten nożyk to moja perełka :) Z Morą i innymi Vickami jakoś sobie radzę.

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    Krul Mateusz Mam już taki system. Właśnie Lansky. Ale to ma swoje ograniczenia. Dla RATów jest ok ale już Mory bym tym nie ostrzył bo po pierwsze kąty się nie zgadzają, a po drugie większość mor jest trochę za wąska, żeby je dobrze chwycić w to imadełko. Da się to zrobić ale jest to kombinowanie, moim zdaniem, nie warte zachodu.

  • @Mateo-vx5hx

    @Mateo-vx5hx

    8 жыл бұрын

    No mi by się takie coś przydało. Bo jakkolwiek bym się starał kt nie jest idealnie równa, ani nawet nie symetryczna. Fakt, faktem doprowadzam nóż do stanu golenia ale mnie to nie satysfakcjonuje.

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    8 жыл бұрын

    Krul Mateusz To spraw sobie coś takiego. Będziesz miał zawsze idealne szlify :) www.lamnia.com/en/p/8686/knives-and-folding-knives/sharpeners/work-sharp-knife-tool-sharpener-ken-onion-edition

  • @randomescu
    @randomescu4 жыл бұрын

    Mora robust lose its sharpness very easy. I regret i bought it.

  • @kevind.8916

    @kevind.8916

    4 жыл бұрын

    I had similar issue with Mora knives. I would put a very fine edge (3000-4000 grit) and it would dull after short use. I found if I sharpen rough (200 grit) then strop it would be a very tough and sharp edge. Only downside is it looks messy!

  • @leemichel8199
    @leemichel81997 жыл бұрын

    use some smurf poo on your strop and it will cut down your time plus you'll get more of a polished Finnish ... btw it's not razor sharp . hair shaving Sharpe yes but not razor ... just a point not a Dig at you . you got some great vids well done take care ..

  • @SimonsDiscoveries

    @SimonsDiscoveries

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @theprophetez1357

    @theprophetez1357

    3 жыл бұрын

    I made my Mora razor sharp and shaved off a full thick beard in minutes. I have the video on my channel.

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