There are many dumb arguments for LeBron being the GOAT, but acting like moving to different teams is better than creating a dynasty with one team is extremely idiotic to me.

@KaineTremaine

Жыл бұрын

The "LeBron is GOAT" club.. I think they all started watching NBA in 2011. And none of them know what they're even watching. ☝🏽 included in this is are the 40 year old black males who were Locked up during the 90s. They don't know the sport

@justamessenger4577

Жыл бұрын

@Ocean Lives why do you think Kareem is the goat?

@adi_2

Жыл бұрын

He moved to a different team because they were younger. Like he said bulls dealt with injuries and they had the oldest team in the league and still won. Lebron didn't want to deal with that and just left.

@MindoftheNorthStar

Жыл бұрын

@@oceanlives4915 so the only way people don't have Kareem as the GOAT IS because of Nike and the media? Did they make up Jordan's accomplishments?

@justamessenger4577

Жыл бұрын

@@adi_2 for sure. And joined up with two top superstars in the league at the time in their primes. Lebrons time in Cleveland showed he was unable to make his teammates better. Jordan dealt with the growing pains and allowed the team to gel around him. He didn’t need his team to make constant trades and upgrades. He didn’t need to join two top players in their primes just because Detroit had his number for a few years. That is one of the main reason I have jordan above lebron.

Shannon said LeBron has been in three different systems…. All 3 were the LeBron James system LOL

@joshuainadagbo4771

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!!!!!! Shannon just lies

@malcolmhodnett8874

Жыл бұрын

Literally identical

@cutamuta

Жыл бұрын

All except miami cause pat Riley wasnt haven't that shit

@KaineTremaine

Жыл бұрын

System = LeBron holding/dribbling the entire shot clock then jacking awkward step back 3 or firing late awkward pass to guys not really open (Korver)

@b.g.4266

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Lying through his horse teeth.

There never was a debate...MJ has been the goat and remains the goat.

MJ made everyone believe they can fly. LBJ made everyone believe they can win chips by moving to another team.

@shawnhill3482

Жыл бұрын

And stacking them like crazy too!

@christiandiaz754

Жыл бұрын

MJ made me want to be a Ball player and BRON has made me well not care about Ball ever again

@cholmanjr8345

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@Getmoney2333

Жыл бұрын

Lebron thought he can fly too that's why he always jumps on the floor and flops

@DakBetterThanYourFavoriteQB444

Жыл бұрын

This would have been better if you said LBJ made everyone believe they can fly to another team.

“There’s MJ, and then there’s everyone else”

@lancemurdoc6744

Жыл бұрын

Scottie Pippen did disagree

@Dretinho

Жыл бұрын

Larry bird

@Getmoney2333

Жыл бұрын

@@lancemurdoc6744 pippen averaged 15 to 20 ppg in all of his nba finals appearances mj averaged over 30 mj is the main reason for the bulls championships go look at the 1998 nba finals mjs supporting cast of pippen, Rodman, longley, Harper combined gave mj a total of 30 points pippen averaged 15 Rodman 5 Longley 5 Harper 5 mj averaged 33 ppg in 2018 kyrie Irvin and Kevin love just two players gave lebron a total of 43 ppg that's 13 more ppg from lebrons supporting cast than mjs entire starting lineup supporting cast averaged kyrie averaged 27 love averaged 16 ppg despite lebron having more help than mj did lebron still lost next time you speak of this garbage as if pippen carried Jordan first go do some research and see the truth and not the lie like you're spewing

@Getmoney2333

Жыл бұрын

@@lancemurdoc6744 1998 NBA finals combined Jordan's whole supporting cast gave him 55 ppg lebrons big 3 in 2018 of himself kyrie and love combined scored 70 ppg the whole entire bulls team scored 88 ppg that's only 18 more ppg lebrons big 3 scored more than lebrons big 3 scored of lebron who averaged 27 ppg kyrie 27 ppg love 16 ppg that's 70 ppg from 3 players to mjs whole team 88 ppg out of the 88 ppg mj scored 33 of them despite lebron having more help he still lost despite mj literally having no help statistically the 1998 team was just as bad as the lebrons cavs finals team that he lost with that he supposedly brought to the finals by himself they averaged 1 less ppg than the 98 bulls did

@mickz1829

Жыл бұрын

Magic said that quote

Shannon: All that matters is whether you win or lose! Lebron 4-6 in finals Jordan 6-0 in finals Ok Shannon, you just said that Jordan was better. Confirmed.

@NoSheepMentality

Жыл бұрын

@Mike Hawk nah he has Bron as the GOAT

@celli351

Жыл бұрын

I still don't count the bubble chip

@dewman7477

Жыл бұрын

MJ is goat but then what is bill Russell? 11 rings in 13 years

@MrLoverboy6565

Жыл бұрын

I mean LBJ can go to the Finals without a 2nd star thou, MJ can't get past the first round with Scottie

@king-ghost1027

Жыл бұрын

@Dew Man bills era was completely different than todays nba

“Who gets credited for losing ? “ literally Lebrun does 😭😭😭

Jordan accomplished everything in his career in 11 1/2 seasons with the bulls. The half comes from his return from baseball and the year he broke his foot if you combine those two you basically have about a half season. So in that timeframe 6 titles 6 finals MVP’s 5 mvps 10 scoring titles 3 times leading the league in steals Multiple seasons of 200 steals and 100 blocks DPOY 3 time all star game mvp 9x nba all defense 11x all nba Also rookie of the year I’m sure I’m missing stuff but just think this was all done in 11 1/2 seasons with the bulls and Lebron is still playing catch-up in his 20th season.

@BoBrewer-jo5wm

11 ай бұрын

I couldn't have that better L.M.A.O

Shannon's argument helps make the case for Jordan's goatness.

@jonathanbrown9018

Жыл бұрын

What greatness you're talking about MJ who didn't win anything until Phil Jackson got there yet LeBron has won in every system

@bezb715

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanbrown9018 Hello Jonathan! You’re not old enough to have an account here. Please talk to your parents about breaking our rules. /KZread

@gutenbird

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanbrown9018 You mean he left every time things got difficult. That sounds like winning in every system. And Phil Jackson is the most overrated coach of all times.

@xerxesllabore

Жыл бұрын

​@@jonathanbrown9018 what systems are you talking about, they are all the same lebron system ... Every time he moved, he set the same system but different people around him ...

@jonathanbrown9018

Жыл бұрын

@@xerxesllabore LeBron isn't a coach

These guys always assume Phil Jackson came to the Bulls as a Hall of Fame coach. His stock in the NBA rose with the acension of Michael.

@j.m.flemmingii

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!!

@seanswinton6242

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Phil Jackson became a great coach as the Bulls ascended, and MJ made that happen, much like Bill Belichick ascended as a head coach as Tom Brady developed. Those player/coach relationships rose to greatness together! Jordan was ready when Phil Jackson got there.

@MikeBNumba6

Жыл бұрын

They do the same with Scottie. It took three years for Scottie to develop and we know darn well LeBron ain't got the patience like that

@subzero308

Жыл бұрын

@@seanswinton6242 brady a an average QB who was saved his whole career lol... Jordan saved others careers

@crater044

Жыл бұрын

@@subzero308 How was he saved his whole career? You're literally making no sense whatsoever. The point you're responding to is relevant and actually makes sense...... yours doesn't.

The hilarious part is when Shannon argued with Tony Gonzalez he brought up his 3 rings and now championships don't matter 😂😂😂😂

@Lordlt82

Жыл бұрын

He got upset because they called tony the best TE of all time to introduce him.

@dustinharrison3491

Жыл бұрын

Shannon just thinks that if he yells his opinion and mean mugs you, then nobody will notice all the bullshit that's actually being spoken. 🤣 ESPN hires so many dipshits, it's crazy! 🤣

@Mike_Goldberg

Жыл бұрын

Well they aren’t lying about Tony being a GOAT.

@JTL664

Жыл бұрын

Or the clip that showed Shannon Sharpe against the Memphis grizzles

I love Lebron, but each time I watch MJ I''m reminded he was literally out of this world.

@joreellex

Жыл бұрын

EXACLY!!!!!!

@Va11idus

Жыл бұрын

Kobe > Bron easy

@twilitezn

11 ай бұрын

Yup….I wanted my Lakers - and Magic - to beat him SO badly in 1991, but DAMN he was too good. And yes, Lebron is a GREAT player….but MJ was….something I’d never, and still haven’t seen. The elephant in the room I HAVE to address is the “Shannon Sharpe” argument : the, “Well, Jordan got swept 3 times between 1985 - 1987”, which is a fact….but ignores one important detail : …Jordan was either the best or tied for the best player in almost EVERY series he played in… Let that sink in : in 86 & 87, MJ is a 2nd and 3rd year player, going H2H with one of the greatest ever - Bird - who’s in the process of winning 3 straight MVPs, and MATCHING him. In fact the ‘87 series doesn’t get talked about enough…’86 has his 63 point game and he averages almost 44 ppg, but the bulls lose Games 1 & 3 by an average of 19 points…in ‘87, he averages 35/7/6/2/2 (😗!) and the average of the losses goes down to 8! …and the only difference was that they lost Orlando Woolridge…they got WORSE talent wise! 🤷🏾‍♂️ My point is that THIS is what separates MJ from the rest of the pack : it’s not in the wins, it’s in the LOSSES….he’s NEVER had a shit playoff series…even in the Comeback in ‘95 - despite getting stripped in Game 1 - he’s still the best offensive player in that series (maybe not the best player), so even at his worst, he’s still on a different plane. Whereas with Kobe, Lebron, and others, I can point to multiple times where they didn’t show up.

What’s more impressive; beating the juggernaut 1 of 4 times you face them in the finals? Or BIENG the juggernaut again, and again, and again, then doing it again, and again, and again. This dichotomy always put the goat debate in an effective context.

@malcolmhodnett8874

Жыл бұрын

I see you saw the greatest GOAT debate. Nobody can argue with the facts laid out in that video

@orinocoPL

Жыл бұрын

Yep, this video you referring to, is cult-classic right now.

@shade0180

Жыл бұрын

lebron didn't beat the juggernaut. Let me ask would Klay, Green, and whoever was in that team in 2015~2016 warrior make them a super team if you remove Curry? if the answer is no. Are you guys insinuating that Curry alone is the Juggernaut? if no. what made the GSW a Juggernaut when bron beat them?

@youboob6297

Жыл бұрын

@@shade0180 because LeBron _himself_ called the 2016 Warriors "the Greatest Team of All Time"

@shade0180

Жыл бұрын

@@youboob6297 So why is it the greatest team of all time? if you remove curry are you saying curry alone is above lebron james? As his impact made the GSW the greatest of all time because it definitely ain't klay nor green and even if we remove Klay and Green as long as we leave curry on it it is still a great team. Is Lebron in the belief Curry is above him for him to call the GSW the Greatest of all time?

Jordan's moves still give chills when you watch them!!

@Mjumbojetpresdent

Жыл бұрын

Watch the GOAT SZN highlights on Maxamillion's channel if you haven't yet. Too good.

@alfonzoudell734

Жыл бұрын

His Gracefulness...

@hoangtran7113

Жыл бұрын

@@Mjumbojetpresdent thanks

@lancemurdoc6744

Жыл бұрын

Michael never face Player who shot 3's from the logo. Michael never face 7ft guys who could shot like guards. Michael had Help from Kukoc, Pippen, Kerr, Rodman, Harper and Longley. Michael was great, but also his Swad. There is no such thing like a GOAT.

@turner353

Жыл бұрын

MJ wasn't the best shooter MJ was that best at scoring points. 3s or 2s is irrelevant what matter who can make the most points at the end of the day.

"Who in the hell get credit for losing?!" - Shannon Sharpe How ironic... 🤔

@mickz1829

Жыл бұрын

6x Loser in Finals Lebron 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

LeBron’s been to more championships but factor in his calculated moving around to franchises he felt were already in good contention to win the title. Jordan was the keystone in Chicago for a decade and a half, and after all the work and coming up short, he never lost a championship series.

@ryanwalker9378

Жыл бұрын

Jordan retired for 2 years and the Bulls were not the same. He came back and they win three straight.

@nathanlawson313

Жыл бұрын

​@@ryanwalker9378 You misspelled "retired". It's Jordan "Played another professional sport at the highest level" for 2 years...😂

@chaximushoffman8102

Жыл бұрын

He didn't have to leave...the NBA and the Bulls brought all the talent to him. Before the talent arrived, he couldn't get past the 2nd round.

@Getmoney2333

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanwalker9378 exactly

@Getmoney2333

Жыл бұрын

@@chaximushoffman8102 Jordan couldn't get past the second round because he played against bird and his 3 other hall of fame teammates birds supporting cast scored 354 points during the series to mjs supporting cast 154 so next time you speak of something speak within context of why Jordan couldn't get past the second round not because of jordan because of his lack of scoring production from his teammates vs birds amazing scoring production from his teammates and stop going with the bs narrative to discredit mj mj had bums as his teammates bird had allstars that's the difference who did mj have David Corzine to birds McHale, parish, ainge?

After all the endless debates with LeBron fans and the way they talk about Pippen I have come to the conclusion that Pippen should be ranked higher than LeBron

@jordanjenkins1671

Жыл бұрын

"MJ won because of Pippen and Phil!" For sure! But let's not act like Pippen was the 2006 FMVP before joining the Bulls, or the #1 pick from Duke or Kentucky. Pippen was from a very small college and he developed with time. Bulls took a chance on him and didn't trade him away just because he wasn't an All-Star his first few seasons. And let's not act like Phil had been even coaching in the NBA and winning championships before he got the head coach job in Chicago. He was coaching in an overseas league. Phil and Pippen had to prove themselves. And they combined really well with MJ.

@gokuvegeta7770

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanjenkins1671 wow i guess phil and Pippen shot the ball for Jordan a lot mj won because of theses two, amazing i thought there was a team but wow 3 people and one was a coach. they won because they were a team

@nefariousmex2352

Жыл бұрын

Phil's the luckiest coach in history he benefited from having superstars like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, and Pau.

@darrengordon-hill

Жыл бұрын

BASED "Air Pippen" is how I remembered life in the 90s...

@RobinXlone

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanjenkins1671 who cares about being a finals mvp? or a number 1 pick? all that means nothing. Andre Iguadala was a Finals MVP. KWame Brown was a first pick. what matters is that scottie pippen was in the mvp race in 1994 and wwas always on the first team all defense. lebron never had a first team defender on his team

He said who gets credit for losing but keeps bringing up Lebron has been to finals 10x and only winning 4 lmaoo. That double standard

@kokobop9557

Жыл бұрын

Very well said

@jtremaine23

Жыл бұрын

True...they will say LeBron (individual) has been to 10 Finals but because he lost more than he won, they will say it's a team sport. They have to make up their minds.

@dajuanhackett5332

Жыл бұрын

Shannon is a good analyst, but he needs to let go of brons balls with that goat sht. The reason I got Bron #2 instead of goat is that he lost a few of those finals that Jordan would have easily won, especially against that Old ass Mavs squad his first finals trip with Miami, no way Jordan would have lost to that team with a still prime d wade and Bosh by his side, and heat was favored to win that one

@mequibal

Жыл бұрын

@@dajuanhackett5332 We wouldnt even be having him in GOAT conversation if he didnt jump from super team after another.

@crharper25

Жыл бұрын

@@mequibal hell I'm not sure he ever wins a chip if he doesn't leave CLE the first go round.

Imagine LeFlop try and play against the 80s Pistons or 90s Knicks. He'd literally cry in the game and leave.

@bakerfresh

Жыл бұрын

He'd get a concussion from one of his 3 minute interpretive dance flops gone bad, get she'll shocked and keep living the same non foul over in his head day after day after day. The Basketball Diaries on the Western Front.

@1stAmendmentorDie1776

Жыл бұрын

Larry birds Celtics would have broken him first and he would never have been able to recover and get to play the pistons.

@charlespendley6360

Жыл бұрын

He would dominate he would have grown up used to contact. His size and speed would have dominated back then lol. I love the 80s and 90s but I know lebron would have dominated and I can't stand lebron.

@1stAmendmentorDie1776

Жыл бұрын

@@charlespendley6360 how can he dominate when he doesnt hsve the heart or balls. The biggest factor people leave out.

@Dragon_GoD_Baha

Жыл бұрын

​@Charles Pendley He'd be swept in EVERY. SINGLE. SERIES. Period. LeBron would get stomped in that era. He might win a few playoff games in his prime but that's it.

I want to know how many titles MJ would have if he "took his talents" to L.A. to play with Magic, then joined forces with Ewing in NY, then bolted for Phoenix so he could team up with his buddy Charles, and then finally forced team-ownership to re-work the roster to bring more A-list players to his team so he could avoid developing his own team?

@arielmunoz9835

Жыл бұрын

Wait a minute!!!! Where have I seen this before... oh thats LeBron James whole c😂areer..😮

@freshcoastlivenetwork425

Жыл бұрын

​@@arielmunoz9835😂😂😂😂😂

Shannon Sharpe would be embarrassingly easy to lay waste to in a debate. Lebron quit a 61-win Cavs, a 54-win Heat, and a 50-win Cavs all after being destroyed in the playoffs (2x in the Finals). He fled all of those situations to go and join better players and make winning easier. Achieving a dynasty takes guts, mental fortitude, and the perseverance to repeatedly rise to the challenge of expectations and being the biggest target in the league. Lebron chose to circumvent the spirit of competition and run to greener pastures rather than endure. Shannon also lied and said Lebron won in 3 different systems. Every "system" eventually became The Lebron System and to date, 84 trades have been made since Summer 2010 to support The Lebron System. Shannon saying that the only thing that matters in Club Shay-Shay is "did you win or lose" is cap of the highest order. He and every Lebron fanatic like him deflect, spin, and twist narrative to disarm Lebron's many losses and failures as much as humanly possible. Shannon is as fraudulent as the so-called goat argument.

@MikeBNumba6

Жыл бұрын

People need to read your second sentence again because that really is the issue. Everyone likes to dump on those Cavs teams, but record wise they were the best team in the NBA. We didn't see Giannis or Dirk quitting and leaving after they got stomped in the playoffs multiple times. When Jordan was getting smoked in the playoffs we didn't see him leave either. Same with Kobe. Lebron to this date is the only guy we have rated as an all time Great that leaves when things get tough. Going to ten straight finals. Yall don't think players like Jordan could have done that had he joined the pistons in his prime and then leave to the Lakers with Magic after Isiah broke his wrist?

@b.g.4266

Жыл бұрын

@@MikeBNumba6 EXACTLY! Lebron chose to quit & run and seek out shortcuts where other players on his level ALL ENDURED. This alone to me, disqualifies him from the goat argument, not to mention, a ton of other things.

@user-sd2gv8vz8f

Жыл бұрын

@@MikeBNumba6 they were only had 60 wins because of lebron and nothing else, when lebron left, the cavs didn’t even reach 20 wins 😭😭

@user-sd2gv8vz8f

Жыл бұрын

@@b.g.4266 literally everyone would of left that shit ass cavs team don’t even, jordan’s had it easy being drafted by a team with a competent front office unlike lebron

@dewman7477

Жыл бұрын

@@user-sd2gv8vz8fsome other players left too you know not just LeBron

DR J said it best , no player that has to go to different cities where super teams are bought for quick rings can be in any conversation about being the best period .

Jordan’s resume is impeccable, very hard to compete with the closest thing we’ve seen to perfection in basketball

MJ is the goat! No weakness in every aspect of the game.

@chaximushoffman8102

Жыл бұрын

Except not being a team player...or he may have went to the Finals even more.

@AlmaEusebio-lo6mu

Жыл бұрын

​@@chaximushoffman8102 😂😂😂

“Y’all guys found a way to romanticise losing” the most ironic statement by a lebron fan

@urazoktay7940

Жыл бұрын

I know right. :D They are romanticising his 6 finals losses all day everyday...Lebron did everything he could his team mates were bad! :D

@edwardtatum6136

Жыл бұрын

Remember at club Shay Shay when you lose don't cry about help!

@grasz

Жыл бұрын

Romantic goat 4-6

@rashuadjohnson7719

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha 🤣 you're a genius,Facts

@BossTripp1

Жыл бұрын

Jordan lost too 😂, just not in the finals… but before the finals 😂.

The 6-0 with 6 finals MVPs is crazy. Every single time MJ went to the finals he not only won but was the MVP.

@rightfulone2597

Жыл бұрын

@@ex1dia876 Only goofy Bron fans think you can make a goat case by who he went 1-8 against in 2 finals!! 😂😂😂 Bron has had more help than any other player....even in Miami he could only go .500...with 2 other top ten players!! Ridiculous

@fredjones4782

Жыл бұрын

@@rightfulone2597 They act like the teams that Jordan went against were absolute trash. Any of those teams that Jordan faced in the finals would absolutely dominate today.

@rightfulone2597

Жыл бұрын

@@fredjones4782 Exactly...they make goat cases off of Durant and Curry...How does getting absolutely obliterated, make a case for being the goat?!! Everytime they knock Jordan's its early in his career....the knocks on Bron are all throughout his career. Kudos to him for knowing he couldn't get it done and needed all star teammates 😂😂

@thomaskrcelic

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention Jordan never went to a game seven in the finals

@fredjones4782

Жыл бұрын

@@rightfulone2597 The fact that they can only use the beginning of his career as a knock against him shows that they know they can’t argue against Jordan’s legacy as the 🐐!

The Shot was the only “win or go home” buzzer beater in NBA history.

✌🏾 3 peats by MJ23 is waaaaay more impressive then what anything LBJ has done! That will never be done again! Therefore MJ23 is UNTOUCHABLE as the 🐐 ✊🏾💪🏾🖐🏾☝🏾

@ellerykaibetoney8267

Жыл бұрын

No game went more than 6 rounds!

@user-nf6nm8lz7t

Жыл бұрын

Would've been an 8-peat if he didn't leave for a couple of years

@Mrkoolaid333

Жыл бұрын

Yup ✊🏾

@Cedric20781

5 ай бұрын

I've always said the same thing. 100 percent agree​@@user-nf6nm8lz7t

LeBron didn't want to be coached by anyone. LeBron wanted to run everything.

@saygoodnighttothebadguy

Жыл бұрын

That mfer is the coach, GM, scout, Team President, Concession stand worker and still has a losing Finals records lol. Also all the milestones he has accomplished has come in a loss. Lol, he has no clutch gene in his entire body.

@grasz

Жыл бұрын

LeCoach.

@chuckheart41

Жыл бұрын

So did Jordan, So did Bird, and a lot of others in the nba you could name. And remember Phil Jackson. It’s because of Mike Jordan he became head coach in Chicago!

Jordan made Phil Jackson a house hold name

I just looked at the Bulls' stats from 1985-1990. My God, the torture, 1985: 1-3 loss to Bucks 1st round, 1986: 0-3 loss to Celtics 1st round, 1987: 0-3 loss to Celtics 1st round, 1988: 0-3 loss to Pistons 2nd round, 1989: 2-4 loss to Pistons ECF, 1990: 3-4 loss to Pistons ECF, 1991 beat the Pistons 4-0 in the ECF. That was special! It took Jordan 4 tries to decimate the Pistons, but he did it! Shannon is a bigot and should be ignored.

@Lewise512

Жыл бұрын

Bigot?

@thefearlessshaheen2366

Жыл бұрын

@@Lewise512 Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction. Bigot Also means especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

@Lewise512

Жыл бұрын

@@thefearlessshaheen2366 you're like Sheldon Cooper but more annoying

@thefearlessshaheen2366

Жыл бұрын

@@Lewise512 Where did that come from? I am not like Sheldon.

@TerryT0114

Жыл бұрын

Those two series losses to the Celtics can be forgiven, that 86 Celtics team is considered one of the best ever. Pistons were getting really good in those years as well. MJ was learning still, once he figured it out it was over.

Shannon Sharpe made my IQ drop by 3% Wow 😳

How Lebron fans really feel. I went to one of their secret meetings. It went like this. “ there’s no way Lebron is going to catch MJ in rings, MVP, and FMVP. We need something to elevate our king to goat status. Him winning in 2016 vs 2 3 peats is starting to sound ridiculous even to Bronsexuals” “ I got it. Our king is fast approaching the all time scoring record. We will overhype that record and act like is the end all of basketball” “ brilliant Shannon “ shut your mouth we’re supposed to use code names Nick” This will be it because our king is incapable of winning. He didn’t even make the play in last year with a good roster” “ Ok let’s go on tv and sell this BS to our viewers” Based on a true story no cap

@malcolmhodnett8874

Жыл бұрын

I believe you cuz you know the main people leading this meeting

@youboob6297

Жыл бұрын

@@malcolmhodnett8874 he is anonymous on youtube. _he can be anybody_

@KaineTremaine

Жыл бұрын

All fax bro. ESPN and Wall Street been trying to sell LeBron since 2005. There's "less" money they could make off MJ, so his legacy needed to be ignored and destroyed. ☝🏽 This is why Skip gives less than half an effort in GOAT debates. Not even worth watching Shannon allowed to spread Fake News with no effort from Skip

@FatherManus

Жыл бұрын

Lmao, Kendrick Perkins was the door man guarding the meeting.

@stephordless8876

Жыл бұрын

Damn you described everything to a T🤣🤣🤣💪🏾💯💯

The worst thing about history is how quickly it is forgotten. I've had the pleasure of seeing both MJ and LeBron play from the beginning of their careers to the end (Lebron's future end) and I've seen too many occasions where LeBron has given up on plays, given up on his team, slacked off on defense, taken off games when he wasn't injured and etc. I can't say the same for MJ. And not to say that MJ is perfect and haven't had bad games, but his desire to win and his ability to push his teammates to win (despite his tactics) and what he's done on the court, MJ is without question the G.O.A.T

@Lord_Bibulous

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!!!! The 2011 Finals doesn't go down like that if it was MJ in LeBron's place. Then again MJ wasn't going to another man's team to win either.

@jlmusic1469

Жыл бұрын

I have also and even seen him quit twice! Against Celts, Warriors. I didn't even bother to watch the Dallas finals series -- I heard he quit there. And when Miami lost he moved to Cleveland where his return meant they have their 4 number one draft picks in one place, although he chase Wiggins out of town. He returned because that clear easy road to follow. Not hearing crap about bringing a chip home. that team had tools!

@Tybear-qz4bx

Жыл бұрын

@@jlmusic1469 he did it when he got the scoring title as well 😂😂 he sat out after, because they were losing

@michaelseebode2876

Жыл бұрын

There is no debate, period. Basketball is a 2 way sport is it not? Please tell me, at what point has LeBron EVER been the BEST offensive AND defensive player in the league? MJ was twice, undisputed, recorded 200 steals and 100 blocks. 1 of ONLY 3 to EVER do it... Not only did he do it, he is the ONLY person to do it TWICE... oh! While averaging 30 ppg... The legit ONLY thing LeBron had on MJ is rebounding. LeBron is much bigger so if he isn't a better rebounded then that'd be sad lol. I'm tired of hearing "LeBron is a GREAT passer", BULLSHIT. LeBron is a "willing" passer not a "great" passer. The guy is barely top 4 in assists and has literally 1000s of turnovers more than ALL of the people ahead of him... MJ had a higher usage% and had a better assists to turnover ratio... which most people who know ball would say off sheer numbers... Jordan was a better passer... There is no debate... The only person to even step next to mike in the GOAT convo is Wilt... And that's it.

@chestercastaneda4920

Жыл бұрын

>The worst thing about history is how quickly it is forgotten Oh, now Jordan fans know what it's like whenever they wave off Bill Russell winning more rings and getting more finals than Jordan? Or how they insist that Kareem was boring and Wilt was just a big man who scored a lot?

When LBJ passed MJ scoring his team lost by 16 points When LBJ passed Kobe in scoring his team lost by 17 points When LBJ passed Malone in scoring his team lost by 16 points When LBJ passed Kareem in scoring his team lost by 3 points

Shannon: all that matters is did you win or did you lose Also Shannon: he made 8 straight finals and he averaged a triple double even though he lost

Lebron just proved he was just statpadding to get that longevity record, now he's "injured" and probably will remain injured till all star weekend and magically will be in shape to play again, why? Because he needs the praise and will try to win all star MVP since it's the only award he can win

@KaineTremaine

Жыл бұрын

Smh. His shot to pass Kareem came on his typical super awkward step back. So ugly to watch this guy. Can't wait til he retires.

@subzero308

Жыл бұрын

Sports r all rigged and scripted they're for entertainment only

@tasan215

Жыл бұрын

💯

@RobinXlone

Жыл бұрын

lebron cant even be injured yall act like this nigga is superman. yall act like human bodies dont heal with time

@KaineTremaine

Жыл бұрын

@Robin agreed. Idk why they mad about him resting. It's year 20. - he's nowhere close to MJ tho, bc he left his defense in Miami. Stopped winning MVPs and #1 playoff seeds.

Jordan had 6 rings in 15 seasons, 6 Finals MVP, 5x NBA MVP, 2 x Slamdunk champion, 10 scoring titles, 9x NBA All Defense 1st team in an era with hand checking and limited 3s. Jordan didn't leave Bulls to play with other stars for a chip. In fact, there were no other stars save maybe Charles Oakley in his early Bulls years. Horace Grant, Scottie Pippen, Toni Kukoc grew into stars playing alongside Jordan. Dennis Rodman was the only star I remembered brought in to beef the team up after Horace got traded. I give LeBron credits for playing 20 seasons and surpassing Kareem in scoring but to crown him GOAT? Please. Pffft...

@tenthirty82

Жыл бұрын

Rodman was no longer considered a star. Spurs gave away. MJ told Rodman… all I need you to do is play defense and rebound.

@RonaldMcGhee

Жыл бұрын

They literally picked up 4 guys from other teams😂

@RonaldMcGhee

Жыл бұрын

Kerr Harper Rodman and kukoc..😂

@RonaldMcGhee

Жыл бұрын

That’s just good GM work. No one’s fault. Most of those guys came late 80s/early 90s so that’s 4-5 years of Jordan being in the league. The cavs draft picks after lebron were trash.

@FlyAwayChi

Жыл бұрын

And you definitely reaching with that "star" shit...lol Oakley, Kukoc and Horace Grant were not stars at all..

Keep the clips coming bro. It seems like I always agree w what you say. I've watched the NBA religiously since the beginning of Jordan's career so I should know better. The only thing that could have made this clip better would have been if you showed the reaction of NBA players who played against both Jordan and Lebron when asked who is better.. All of em, their first reaction is to laugh lol. And who would know better than the pros that played against both? All of them are in agreement it's not even close. You should include that next time.

Your channel Is by far the best there is. Always straight facts and objective opinions based in the facts. Can't get enough of it!

Awesome video. My best takeaway is when you said "Shannon compares jordan to perfection, but compares LeBron to jordan". That.. to me.. is the end of the debate. Beautifully said and thank you

It's not just wins and losses Shannon. It's also HOW you lose. Did your team lose because you just didn't show up? Or did they lose because the opponent was simply better and dominated your team?

Outstanding video!! As usual Shannon Sharpe's entire argument in favor of LeBron and against Jordan is based 100% on emotion. As much as Skip tries to bring actual numbers and facts into the debate Shannon's only stance is feelings over facts. This is why he can't sustain a consistent argument, which by all accounts makes him the worst possible critic of who should be claimed the GOAT. Aside from the goat mask wearing and/or showing up in a LeBron jersey the most pathetic and embarrassing display of Shannon's obsession with LeBron was exchanging hostilities with Dillon Brooks. Shannon was the proverbial mother at the game who feels the need to defend her baby because someone on the other team is being mean to her sweet baby boy. Again, Shannon cannot be objective and no one should ever listen to him when it comes to the debate of Jordan versus LeBron. He lacks any and all integrity because he doesn't have the ability to detach his emotions. Skip is far from perfect and his takes can come across as being a hater but more often than not he takes the side of stats, facts and figures.

I think it's important to remember that not only does LeBron have a longer NBA career than Jordan, so do the other three players that rank above him in scoring by at least four years. Clearly if Jordan would have put in the time that LeBron, Kareem, Malone and Kobe did he would have easily been a contender for that record but he got everything out of his career that he wanted earlier than them and retired after his 15th year. If you average it out Jordan actually has a high per/year scoring rating than Lebron so all-time scoring is not a great indicator of player ability. I don't think anyone would argue that Karl Malone was a better player than Jordan and yet he has more points on the board... with 19 years in.

Also, in 89 the Pistons were the reigning world champions with the best record in the NBA.. when Miami lost with Lebron, their team was the favorite but they lost!

@stephannielsen4177

Жыл бұрын

No they werent world champions, they were US champions, only the US participates so it has nothing to do with being world champions.

@ERizzo5

Жыл бұрын

@@stephannielsen4177 it’s safe to assume their the world champions when you play in the best league in the world. What champion in other countries would beat the NBA champion lol? Answer is no one.

@Widkey

Жыл бұрын

@@stephannielsen4177 Whatever

@757bigj

Жыл бұрын

Lebron and the Cavs were favorites in 08, 09 and 10 also

@stephannielsen4177

Жыл бұрын

@@ERizzo5 such a typical American way to look at things, but im not surprised, its so sad.

Imagine if Jordan didn't retire in his prime for almost 2 seasons. This wouldn't even be an argument

@eyitopeomotosho8129

Жыл бұрын

But he did.

@DfsGamerGuru

Жыл бұрын

@@eyitopeomotosho8129 MJ - Peak 3 years 3 - Championships (3-peat) 3 - Finals MVP 3 - Regular season MVP 3 - All star games 3 - All 1st Offensive Teams 3 - All 1st Defensive Teams 3 - Scoring Leader 2 - Steal Leader 3 - [AP] Athlete of the year 1 - [SI] Sportsperson of the year Lebron - Peak 3 years 2 - Championships 2 - Finals MVP 2 - Regular season MVP 3 - All star games 3 - All 1st Offensive Teams 3 - All 1st Defensive Teams Peak 6 years of each player in the playoffs: Jordan - 34.6ppg, 50.5% fg%, 35.7% 3pt%, 83.1% ft%, 6.7 reb per game, 6.6 ast per game, 2 steals per game, 1 block per game Lebron - 28.1ppg, 51.1% fg%, 34.4% 3pt%, 75.6% ft%, 7.7 reb per game, 7.3 ast per game,1.7 steals per game, 1 block per game Career Playoff Stats: Jordan - 33.6ppg, 6 reb, 6 ast, 48.1% fg%, 36.8% 3pt%, 80.6% ft% Lebron - 28.4ppg, 10.2 reb, 7.8 ast, 48.4% fg%, 35.2 3pt%, 73.1% ft% Top 100 Gamescore games of all time: MJ had 14 out of the 100 greatest gamescore games in nba history MJ owns the #1 greatest game ever played... the #7 greatest game ever played only 6 of the greatest games inside the top 50 14% of the greatest games ever played in the nba come from MJ Lebron had 3 out of the 100 greatest gamescore games in nba history lebron owns the 14th greatest game... the 44th greatest game ever played & the 80th greatest game ever played only 2 of greatest games inside the top 50 3% of the greatest games ever played in the nba come from Lebron Jordan Scoring: 30.1 regular season PPG(highest in NBA history) 33.4 playoff PPG(highest in NBA history) 33.6 NBA finals PPG(highest in NBA history) 8 games of 50+ points, 38 games of 40+ points, never scored under 15 points in a playoff game Lebron Scoring: 27 regular season PPG 28.7 playoff PPG 28.2 NBA finals PPG 1 game of 50+ points, 28 games of 40+ points, never scored under 7 points in a playoff game

@loganerb3952

Жыл бұрын

@@DfsGamerGuruthank you!! Lebron is the goat!! No doubt about it!

@DfsGamerGuru

Жыл бұрын

@@loganerb3952 only 2 of greatest games inside the top 50 3% of the greatest games ever played in the nba come from Lebron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jordan Scoring: 30.1 regular season PPG(highest in NBA history) 33.4 playoff PPG(highest in NBA history) 33.6 NBA finals PPG(highest in NBA history) 8 games of 50+ points, 38 games of 40+ points, never scored under 15 points in a playoff game -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lebron Scoring: 27 regular season PPG 28.7 playoff PPG 28.2 NBA finals PPG 1 game of 50+ points, 28 games of 40+ points, never scored under 7 points in a playoff game Lots and lots of doubt🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DfsGamerGuru

Жыл бұрын

@@loganerb3952 MJ - Peak 3 years 3 - Championships (3-peat) 3 - Finals MVP 3 - Regular season MVP 3 - All star games 3 - All 1st Offensive Teams 3 - All 1st Defensive Teams 3 - Scoring Leader 2 - Steal Leader 3 - [AP] Athlete of the year 1 - [SI] Sportsperson of the year ---------------------------------------------- Lebron - Peak 3 years 2 - Championships 2 - Finals MVP 2 - Regular season MVP 3 - All star games 3 - All 1st Offensive Teams 3 - All 1st Defensive Teams

New sub. Great analysis. People pretend like MJ averaged 0 assists and 0 rebounds

This video is really well put together.

Shannon once said that MJ didn’t do anything before Pippen except put up stats since he was losing early in the playoffs…so the question for Shannon is what is LBJ doing now besides putting up stats? By Shannon’s logic, LBJ is doing at the tail end of his career what MJ was doing at the beginning of his

@MrLoverboy6565

Жыл бұрын

The flaw in your logic is that stat padding at the age of 38 is unheard of in the NBA, the mere fact that LBJ can still stat pad in that age, MJ can't even stat pad when he was in Wizards hahahaha

@luminousrxk7288

Жыл бұрын

@@MrLoverboy6565 mj doesnt stat pad because he doesnt care about stats

@jtremaine23

Жыл бұрын

Great point!

@rosesaredying0

Жыл бұрын

@@MrLoverboy6565 who's dumb to say that MJ is stat padding during his early years? he's hard carrying 4 fools to playoffs before Pippen came.

@BalloonFight

Жыл бұрын

Lebron wasn't doing anything either. He was losing as well, until he went to Miami. Free riding the weakest East in NBA history to lose to the West every. single. time. isn't an accomplishment. Lebron is technically playing solid ball right now, but somehow they're 13th seed with an actual good team. There's no one in the world that thinks they should be basically dead last with their squad (the bottom 2 teams are awful and probably trying to throw for potential VW draft)

Comparing Jordan to perfection and not lebron james is one of the most intelligent arguments I've heard

@bootleg6595

Жыл бұрын

Jordan is literally perfect for what humans can accomplish in the sport.

Great content dude

Let them know! Great video

Lakers get harder to defend everyday 😭

@RyanMrTsunamiBishop

Жыл бұрын

You can thank good ol Shay Shay for that lol

Just imagine if MJ had stomped his feet in hissy fits over wanting to team up with let's say Barkely, Olajuwon, Bird, Malone or Isiah. Talk about 10 chips at least...

@RobinXlone

Жыл бұрын

he had scottie pippen who was a better fit than any of em and a better defender. yall keep acting like jordan played with bums his whole career like hes allen iverson

@joshuawilliams7653

Жыл бұрын

@@RobinXlone On the other side Jordan haters act like Pippen came in the league averaging 28-6-5 like Jordan did as a rookie. Pippen as a rookie bench guy in 88 averaged 8ppg and 3rpg but folks act like he's why Jordan was MVP, DPOY, and got out of the first round. Pippen wasn't a bum but he had to develop as a player and he was able to because he never had the pressure of being The Alpha of The Bulls that was Jordan. We never talk about how Jordan helped Pippen it's always made out to look like only Jordan benefitted from their partnership.

@kitdman5749

Жыл бұрын

@@RobinXlone lol pippen was drafted and had to develop… he wasn’t allstar from the get go…

@RobinXlone

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuawilliams7653 just like nobody talks about how lebron helped wade, helped kyrie and help anthony davis. because they are the leaders of the team we talk about how they benefitted from the help

@RobinXlone

Жыл бұрын

@@kitdman5749 so what? they were together for 4 years before winning. and then pippen was all defensive. jordan had no reason to leave. the bulls got him help. something la failed to give kobe and something cleveland failed to give lebron

This is my boy Youri Hofwegen😂great channel

Imagine If Jordan had another superstar with the wizards

@cochise4390

Жыл бұрын

Nooo you thinking too small. Imagine if Jordan had the mentality of today’s players and went to LA with Phil, Shaq, and Kobe😱

@bloodlust8481

Жыл бұрын

@@cochise4390 that's 11 rings

@cochise4390

Жыл бұрын

@@bloodlust8481 11 easy lol

@RobinXlone

Жыл бұрын

@@cochise4390 jordan said he wouldve went to the knicks if the bulls didnt give him what he wanted. he had that mentality

@RobinXlone

Жыл бұрын

it wouldnt do anything. imagine if lebron had a healthy AD he might not have to average 30 at age 38

I don't know why but it makes me uncomfortable seeing how hard Sharp fights this losing battle. It's like it goes a little beyond mancrush.

@russelturner5771

Жыл бұрын

Thinking the same.

@bigjun913

Жыл бұрын

looks like a Democrat fighting facts with his feelings...

@kimperry4068

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. Excuse my expression I called it; Shannon is always riding Lebron dick so hard all the damn time. Sorry, that's just how I see it. I do believe Lebron is a great player definitely top ten player of all time. I would say he close to Jordan but not above Jordan. In my opinion Jordan is the Goat!!! If Lebron can get to more Championships than I would put him right near Jordan.

@Mandingo_

Жыл бұрын

Even if im a hard fan of someone, i wouldnt be acting like him. I dont want to be called a c0cksucker or something.

@HookedonChronics

Жыл бұрын

@@bigjun913 how y'all morons make everything about politics?

I love your commentary

Two things I think people overlook: 1. Jordan would’ve 8-peated had he not got dumb and tried to play baseball. 2. People talk a lot about how much help he got with Pippen. I’ll say Pippen didn’t win without Jordan and DWayne Wade won a championship without LeBron.

@andengtv6360

8 ай бұрын

Your right

Jordan averaged great numbers during a time when the league had a heavy emphasis on defense and much lower scoring totals. Pretty impressive to me.

@alibabathe40thieves20

Жыл бұрын

FACTS..Which is why i I don’t watch The NBA .These guys play no fundamental ball ,no defense . The woman play more fundamental ball than the man pro & college.

@skettinbutter3635

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. Early 2000s was the defensive era of basketball.

@beensavage390

Жыл бұрын

facts.

@scottflipiak614

Жыл бұрын

Wrong, WRONG, Wrong . . . You are Wra-Wra-Wrong

@krackergrit

Жыл бұрын

Now the nba is boring af to watch

6 with the same team is harder to do, because everyone knows your weakness... and has plenty of opportunities to adapt

@Lewise512

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention 2 3peats

@chaximushoffman8102

Жыл бұрын

I think Bill Russell would agree...but not me, depends on the talent in the league at the time. And just like in Bill's day, there wasn't near the talent as in MJ's. And same goes for MJ, a lot more talent in the past 2 decades than in his era. MJ was still running around slow 7 foot white dudes....today, those 7 footers are shooting 3 pointers and defending guards. Big improvement in talent in level of competition. But keep that on the down low, ESPN might ban me.

@autonomouspilgrimage6137

Жыл бұрын

@@chaximushoffman8102 hardly anybody plays defense anymore and Jordan would’ve had access to better training, nutrition, “supplements”, and load management like Lebron does now. Jordan was playing 18 holes of golf and then playing a game that night, or partying and gambling all night and showing up and dropping 52 points the next night. Great players are great in any era, because they do whatever it takes to be the best and have an insane desire to win. You put any great player in todays NBA with the access to todays sports nutrition, S&C, coaching, etc and they will still be great.

@Mike_Goldberg

Жыл бұрын

@@chaximushoffman8102 Let’s compare an era where it was considered a regular foul body slaming players in the paint, you must forgotten about the part where it was normal for your enforcers in the 80’s to purposely cause harm to anyone that tries to go to the hole. The mindset in the 80’s was you want to drive to the paint well you going to pay for it, just like how the NFL used to hardly throw in the MIDDLE because there is a going to be a head hunter looking to make it on Sports Center top ten highlights during the 90’s.

@SamuelDavidDeLuzeNesbitt

Жыл бұрын

​@@chaximushoffman8102no, they don't ban people who aren't affiliated with them. Plus it helps them look better when those same unaffiliated people have no clue as to what they're talking about. You're safe as a kitten

When your a fan you have to still tell the truth

We all know the stats of phil Jackson without mj compared with Phil with MJ Also the stats of Phil without prime Shaq

Those buzzer beater stats for both guys were great. Proved that Jordan was more clutch when time was running out! And his finals wins vs losses completely settle this debate. Jordan is the GOAT! Period

Real GOATs never have to say it

Hands down Jordan. It's not even close. None whatsoever. Jordan was a walking highlight reel. Not just a play here or there. He played entire games with such intensity. He just didn't stop.

Jordan simply never learned to lose after he figured out how to win. Jordan rarely had an off night scoring. Jordan only had two HOF teammates, and only one of them came as a free agent.

Jordan is top 5 in points and steals, even though he only played 13 complete seasons.

@MikeBNumba6

Жыл бұрын

Jordan didn't play in 13 complete seasons. He played in 11 because he broke his foot his second year and then when he came back from retirement the first time he only played 17 games. So it's even more impressive when you put it that way

@Sf75178

Жыл бұрын

Top 5 in points and steals in both totals and career averages

@MR.__G

Жыл бұрын

Let’s add more context, when he retired he finished 3rd. Only about 6000 plus points behind Kareem who played 20 seasons. Jordan literally accomplished the most in the less time

@RobinXlone

Жыл бұрын

@@MikeBNumba6 its 13 why do yall always ignore the wizard years? because mj was washed? lebron is the same age right now as jordan was on the wizards. lebron fans arent ignoring these seasons cuz hes old.

@MikeBNumba6

Жыл бұрын

@@RobinXlone you're right. My mistake

Fun fact: If MJ had played the 1993-94 season and the entire 1994-95 season while averaging 30 a game, he would have had to put up fewer than 10 points a game between 1998 and 2001 to pass Kareem. In other words, had MJ only retired one time (in 2003), his career points would have been FAR north of 40k, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

@jtremaine23

Жыл бұрын

Yep...in his 2003 interview with John Thompson he said if he cared about stats, he would kept playing and passed Kareem. When he played, his main focus was on winning and not stats.

@unpopulartruth8829

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget he broke his foot in 85 and only played 19 games

@Hesoyam31

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I just tried computing it. (correct this if I'm wrong) jordan only played 13 full seasons and yet he's 5th overall in the all-time scoring list. what if he played 20 seasons? he averaged 30.1 ppg his entire career and let's say he played 7 more seasons which is 82(games) x 7(season) = 574 games and multipy it by 30 points per game, the outcome would be 17,220. Jordan scored 32,292 and assuming the 7 seasons he might have scored more or less 49,512 overall points. That is the reason why all time scoring list can't make you the goat because it is more to longevity than your scoring skill.

@tenthirty82

Жыл бұрын

Facts!!!

@cowboGA

Жыл бұрын

​@@Hesoyam31 well...🔥🔥💯💯

MJ - Peak 3 years 3 - Championships (3-peat) 3 - Finals MVP 3 - Regular season MVP 3 - All star games 3 - All 1st Offensive Teams 3 - All 1st Defensive Teams 3 - Scoring Leader 2 - Steal Leader 3 - [AP] Athlete of the year 1 - [SI] Sportsperson of the year Lebron - Peak 3 years 2 - Championships 2 - Finals MVP 2 - Regular season MVP 3 - All star games 3 - All 1st Offensive Teams 3 - All 1st Defensive Teams Peak 6 years of each player in the playoffs: Jordan - 34.6ppg, 50.5% fg%, 35.7% 3pt%, 83.1% ft%, 6.7 reb per game, 6.6 ast per game, 2 steals per game, 1 block per game Lebron - 28.1ppg, 51.1% fg%, 34.4% 3pt%, 75.6% ft%, 7.7 reb per game, 7.3 ast per game,1.7 steals per game, 1 block per game Career Playoff Stats: Jordan - 33.6ppg, 6 reb, 6 ast, 48.1% fg%, 36.8% 3pt%, 80.6% ft% Lebron - 28.4ppg, 10.2 reb, 7.8 ast, 48.4% fg%, 35.2 3pt%, 73.1% ft% Top 100 Gamescore games of all time: MJ had 14 out of the 100 greatest gamescore games in nba history MJ owns the #1 greatest game ever played... the #7 greatest game ever played only 6 of the greatest games inside the top 50 14% of the greatest games ever played in the nba come from MJ Lebron had 3 out of the 100 greatest gamescore games in nba history lebron owns the 14th greatest game... the 44th greatest game ever played & the 80th greatest game ever played only 2 of greatest games inside the top 50 3% of the greatest games ever played in the nba come from Lebron Jordan Scoring: 30.1 regular season PPG(highest in NBA history) 33.4 playoff PPG(highest in NBA history) 33.6 NBA finals PPG(highest in NBA history) 8 games of 50+ points, 38 games of 40+ points, never scored under 15 points in a playoff game Lebron Scoring: 27 regular season PPG 28.7 playoff PPG 28.2 NBA finals PPG 1 game of 50+ points, 28 games of 40+ points, never scored under 7 points in a playoff game

One is in Space Jam and the other is in Space Jam 2. Enough said.

"Who in the hell gets credit for losing?" 4-6 LeCoach HAH

Watching Jordan play when I was child made me believe in the impossible. The world was a different place back then and I am forever blessed to have been able to watch his games during that time. Both Players are legends. One may be the GOAT. But MJ will forever be my champ.

@jakeb9674

Жыл бұрын

This...and I was a HC Piston fan then

@mariopereirajr1849

Жыл бұрын

Facts!!

@richardsnyder4894

Жыл бұрын

Jordan did not win a single east conf championship until his 7th season, he simply could not beat Larry Legend. Jordan did not win much of anything until Magic and Bird were gone. As for Lebron, he is not even in the top 4 Lakers.

@heyalfietheconnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

@@richardsnyder4894 what does that mean MJ still beat HOF thats like saying Shaq in Hakeem never won till MJ retired

@heyalfietheconnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

I remember MJ last NBA finals game when he cross Russell up I was 15 years old in my mind I said let see what MJ going do once he got the steal from K.Malone it felt like time stop in that moment yo for real

He is trying to make it sound like 3 rings with 3 different teams is a flex. 😂

bag it shannon! bag it😂😂

Gotta love how even Shannon says "3 titles". 😂😂

@sosaraycharles358

Жыл бұрын

Shannon always messes up his words, he meant with 3 different teams lmao

@rutbuck121

Жыл бұрын

3 titles out of 10 appearances!! yet these Bronsexuals think he's the GOAT lmao he LOST more titles than he won.

"who gets credit for losing?" LeBron James enters chat

.... 🤣🤣 It was never even a debate to begin with!!

2:11 that one handed snag then bank shot 😳😳 whaaaaaat ??

Losing with everything left on the floor with no or little help and losing because of being outplayed/disappeared as the best player on the floor is totally different

Shannon: who gets credit losing? Answer: Lebron does….all the time! From Shannon, Nick, Kendrick, Jay Williams….🤦🏻‍♂️

Give it 30 years and lets see who we are still talking about

I'm glad you're enjoying being a gardner. Phil was coach of Albany Patroons of the CBA. He won a title,poor Shannon.

Phil was a great coach because he had Mike and then he had Shaq and Kobe .. but flamed out with melo and the Knicks

@KaineTremaine

Жыл бұрын

LeBron uncoachable. Would've got Phil fired. LeBron can only win on a Super Team

@tommygiordano5654

Жыл бұрын

Melo wasn't nearly the same level not a number one guy that can lead a team to chip

@KaineTremaine

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@Mike Hawk Ok? So your point is that if Phil coached NY. Mike would have zero rings. And if Phil coached the Spurs. Kobe would have zero rings. Ok

@imakebeatsxwillfrmda6230

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@@tommygiordano5654 it don't matter melo is a prolific scorer I think he even has a scoring title . And every one thought they was going to get a ring . But Phil being the great coach he is tried running the triangle that 1. Melo anit buy into and the league was changing to a style where that offense is obsolete . Did Phil adjust or bump heads wit melo ?

@jtremaine23

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@Mike Hawk As far as Doug Collins, the Bulls were getting closer to the Finals every year but they didn't win it when Phil coached in 1990 too. Also, don't forget about 1995. We know what happened there. But this all reminds me of when Mark Jackson was coaching the Warriors and then they bring an unknown Kerr (as far as coaching) in to take over the team Mark built. The Warriors were getting better and better every year under M. Jackson. Had Kerr taken that Knicks job instead, he wouldn't have won any rings and certainly not be considered a great coach.

I love this guy's channel. Just straight facts. No bias at all

Had Wilt been allowed to go pro straight from HS, LeBron would still be chasing him.

MJ made everyone think they can fly. Lebron made everyone believe you can’t win unless you play with an all-star team.

MJ was like watching a movie hero when he play...it seems like his shots were like perfectly coordinated...and you always knew he will come and save the day ..

@JakeDarrow211

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Well said!

@jayskimontana9572

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Y'all saw the slide Jordan did with them J's in the beginning of the video 📸 plus the dunk tsss 😌😊I everytime I watched It I felt new everytime 🤷🏾‍♂️

@dustinharrison3491

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Your comment has 23 likes as of now. I wanna add a like to your comment, but it's fitting that it's on number 23 right now.

I like Bird's approach to the game! He wasn't trying to play on no team with no other superstar! They were the enemy! Athletes got along back then but they weren't no buddy buddy in the off season! They were very serious! MJ had to go through guys with this mentality! That's a big difference as well! Respect to the GOAT!

@steverenom.299

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Bill Russell is the GOAT. Larry Bird is the best all around NBA player ever, and Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest Athlete of all time.

@Screwface115

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@@steverenom.299so no jordan u smoke crack for a hobby i bet

@steverenom.299

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@@Screwface115 Bill Russell needs a toe to wear all his Championship Rings at once. Bird was a better rebounder than Jordan, a better passer than Jordan, just as good a shooter as Jordan, a better free throw shooter than Jordan and people don't even realize that Bird's defensive win rating is better than Jordan's. Wilt Chamberlain was a champion hurdler, a champion long jumper and he never lost a high jump competition ever. These things are what a crack free mind can know. Lol.

well said young fella...... well f'n SAID!!

Don't worry I'll wait.

I can think of at least 3 guys I’d rather have take the final shot over LeBron James: Kareem with his deadly skyhook, Bird who was the master of the half inch and Jordan who shot nearly the same from the field in the clutch versus any other time in the game. I saw a video where if you expand clutch shooting to the final two minutes of a game, MJ’s shooting percentage was still around 50% and LBJ’s was below 30%. That’s not even close!

@nageeyamaal3707

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Bro that skyhook ain’t deadly only deadly if it goes in

@smoothALOE

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@@nageeyamaal3707 he made it a lot more than he missed it.

@RJ-fe9pu

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@@nageeyamaal3707 no one shoots 100% be realistic and objective

@edmondtanksley6631

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Get your fact right on basketball

@smoothALOE

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@@edmondtanksley6631 I did.

Jordan's finesse game was way more fun to watch than LeBron's bully ball style of play. It's not fun watching someone beg for a foul every time they put up a shot.

@russelturner5771

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LBJ been 40 lbs heavier steamrolls his opponent like a mack 🚚. MJ bern 40 lbs lighter had to finesse his opponents which took considerably more skill.

Lebron got swept by the Spurs 0-4 in the 2007 nba finals, Swept by GSW 0-4 in the 2018 nba finals, Swept by the Denver Nuggets 0-4 in the 2023 nba west finals. Lebron 6 losses in the nba finals. These are all FACTS.

We can literally forget stats. Watch tape and tell me who's better. The raw analytics just reinforces the argument.

Shannon, when Jordan was up 2-1 on the Pistons, it was he and a still DEVELOPING Scottie Pippen against a Pistons team that had 4 future HoFers, a perinneal All-Star, and one of the most dangerous 6th men the league had ever seen. It took all of that to stop MJ.

@johndwalker3851

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Not to mention the fact that the Pistons had just come off a run to the finals the previous year and lost (remember Isaiah Thomas' broken ankle game) to the Lakers who were in the midst of a repeat. The Pistons were hungry to get back and get their chip and no one was going to stop them. Including the Bulls. Great point you made here.

@Screwface115

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Dont forget the jordan rule 😂

@dredae76

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@@Screwface115 Definitely can't forget the Jordan Rules🤣🤣 Worked until Pip developed and they started running that Triangle.

@dredae76

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@@johndwalker3851 yeah, I remember Zeke breaking his ankle. Possibly could have been the beginning of a 3peat had he not.

It took Jordan 8 years to ascend to Finals level and once he did he only lost one series in the 95 year off his come back. Meanwhile LeBronda repeatedly quit on his team once he got to Finals level, swept multiple times and lost 6x versus winning 4. Jordan has never quit on his team by walking off the floor when his team down 30. A GOAT would never quit on his team. Recently LeBronda showed he’s all about himself by breaking all time scoring record then quits again and watches his team lose, when, if he is the so called scoring leader why didn’t he score and help team get the W? Cos he isnt the GOAT plain and simple. There never has been a debate cos truth be told Jordan is levels above LeBron. LeBron if being truthful isn’t even top 5 all time.

@KaineTremaine

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My All Time list: 1. MJ 2. Wilt 3. Russell 4. Magic 5. Abdul-Jabbar (top 3 peak All Time with MJ/wilt) 6. Bird 7. LeBronda 8. Hakeem 9. Shaq 10. Duncan (#11 Late Great Kobe)

It takes a team to win not just one player

Give it up, Shannon.

Another banger bro, don’t stop exposing these frauds🔥

@RidinSpinners36

Жыл бұрын

He didn't expose anything