lol i mean to even suggest that Chris is in some way not 100% responsible, is egregious. Evaluating Shannan is fine, but irrelevant to who is guilty and by what percentage. I mean come on, give me a break, there isnt even a 0.0000001% chance NOR any evidence that Shannan might have done what Chris said

@crystalbluepersuasion1027

Жыл бұрын

I think Chris Watts is 100% responsible for murdering all three. But, I could tell there was obviously something wrong with her and watching all those videos she posted made me cringe. I thought she had munchhausen by proxy. Those poor kids. I also think Nicole Kessinger had “issues” herself. All 3 adults were f*cked up.

@thewkovacs316

Жыл бұрын

actually, had chris not snapped, there is a good chance that shanaan wouldve been arrested for medical child abuse

@kneel1

Жыл бұрын

@@thewkovacs316 yeah i know and i accept all the shit about Shannan that we've learned but she did NOT kill the kids. Period. I've heard the arguments they're ludicrous and laughable. Everything else about her? Sure, true. I don't think she had a lupus either I don't think she was ever diagnosed. All evidence points to Chris, if she did it he'd have stuck w his story and NOT STOMP THEM into an 8 inch hole in the oil tanks

@RaccoonNation

Жыл бұрын

@@thewkovacs316 agree

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

@@thewkovacs316 People with no history of anger or abuse don’t snap. People with a history of both anger and abuse can.

My friends daughter is constantly posting all of her life on FB. I think it means something is lacking in your life

@madiclegg3690

Ай бұрын

Definitely.

@helenaterschegget8791

Ай бұрын

And all those models and influencers, and you are currently watching a KZreadr who may post daily as well? Or does it only count if you earn money? KZread Facebook, Twitter is full of of people. Have you ever considered, she may do this to let you know? I moved to another country and the reason I used social media was to show my family, that what often the only way they got to see their grandchildren go to school, and what not. We used to make picture albums, and keep track of every milestone in books, and now it’s just digitally, that’s all,

@SMC-kq9im

3 күн бұрын

Ya her husband was a weakling.

Giant house they couldn't afford

I have checked the tax returns. She never made money at those MLM's and she was in dozens of them.

@Liz_H9319

Жыл бұрын

She was a victim of an MLM just like tons of other people. They end up spending more than they make and most end up in financial trouble because of it.

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

@@Liz_H9319 I think that was the only so called "job" she could pretend to do. She wouldn't take orders from anyone or thought she was too important to do an "hourly" job.

@jlorde8838

11 ай бұрын

​@@Liz_H9319maybe if she was in only one and got burned. She was in twelve different MLM companies. She isn't a victim that was a intentional choice.

@GusMac-kv7zi

Ай бұрын

This is true she didn't make a dime she drove them onto financial disaster just as had previously done in her own life, that's why her name wasn't on that mortgage in Colorado.

@BaByCaKeZ106

Ай бұрын

I love how her brother comes on videos to comment about "you people need to stop your lies! My sister carried that family financially! She made twice as much as Chris and was great at investing. They were not in debt! U people don't know what ur talking about and need to stop spreading lies!!!" 🤦‍♀️

CW should have been the one getting notifications every time SW spent money especially since it was HIS paycheck that was contributing to that account while her MLM and her overspending was sucking it dry

@sandrabreedlove3661

3 ай бұрын

Yes the guy spent 65 dollars Shannon was all over it boy this girl should of had a wake up call year's ago drop out of sight gone

@johanrahan3189

Ай бұрын

Agree, she controlled everything Chris should have checked out years ago I think when he met Nicky he suddenly realised that not all women were so controlling .....something he previously felt was normal with Shannon !

@TEBme-sf1it

8 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠@@johanrahan3189 Nicky as you call her was putting a front on as well. She would have continued until she totally snagged him. She too was an alpha female so CW’s must have liked bossy women. I do believe NK was involved in the murders in the Watt’s home. It’s a shame there wasn’t a trial bc so much more of the truth would have come out with more investigation. Nate the neighbours camera was evident there was so much more.

@TEBme-sf1it

8 күн бұрын

@@sandrabreedlove3661 Shan’ann was all over the 65.00 he spent bc she was highly suspicious of him having an affair. She knew by that amt.he was. We will never know now if CW’s handled $$ any better.

The irony of all those times, when she kept saying in fb videos, "chris is thriving" "we are thriving", thriving, thriving, all day, and in fact all their existance was like a sand castle, and nobody was even close to thrive. She seems histrionic to me too.

@themadmattster9647

2 ай бұрын

Well it was partly because she was in business

@alwilson3204

2 ай бұрын

Thriving badly on those pills and patches.

@ElBitch

2 ай бұрын

She gave her kids Thrive bars (with nuts) on camera of course and Thrive is Not recommended for children period. Pathetic.

@ElBitch

2 ай бұрын

​@@themadmattster9647MLMs are Not a business or a job, it's an investment that causes divorce and bankruptcy, which they filed for and were about to Again before the murders. That's what MLMs Do to people.

@clarabenton

Ай бұрын

Thrive was the company she worked for. It was a MLM

Her obsession with Facebook was too much. Nobody wants to be filmed all day long

@ishtarbabylon4869

Жыл бұрын

Part of her job

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

@@ishtarbabylon4869 don't people usually make money if they have a job? She didn't make any at all.

@susivarga7303

Жыл бұрын

​@@ishtarbabylon4869 And? It was vomit-inducing to watch and hear all that "say hi". She was obsessed.

@suzied4270

Жыл бұрын

​@@ishtarbabylon4869as what a hun bot?

@77kerimartin

Жыл бұрын

Your obsession with her …

The haunting part of this case is Shannan’s blind spot. She lacked awareness about reality. She was an idealist, perfectionist and was addicted to attention and looking good. Sadly this addiction clouded her judgment.

@AuntieHannabis

2 ай бұрын

Underrated comment. Very well said.

@cleopatra1633

2 ай бұрын

The worst was her efforts to be as little as possible around her children. She did terrible things to her children (sleeping arrangements, drugging, food and drink leverage to control them, exaggerating and lying about health issues, cutting the hair of Bella that wanted to have long hair on purpose, forcing her children to cooperate with her insane attention seeking phone madness, etc...) She really enjoyed their misery, especially Bella got the worst of her evil ways. The husband was raging inside and not man enough to stop her. The poor children are the only victims here.

@TEXASGAL4HIM

2 ай бұрын

@@cleopatra1633 The children are the only victims? Everyone that died that night of that "raging husband" is a victim! You don't get to kill someone because you don't agree with things they do. I had a "raging husband" at a time in my life. I asked then begged for him to go to anger management. He did for about 2 weeks. Obviously, he didn't change. He became a scary person at times. I knew what I had to do for my daughter (6 yrs) and my own safety. No, I didn't kill my daughter and then him. I hired an attorney and got out.

@TEXASGAL4HIM

2 ай бұрын

In Shanann's "blind spot" was also the 10 month affair that Chris had with another man....

@lesleymaner2851

2 ай бұрын

@@TEXASGAL4HIMfirst time I’ve heard of this. Source please

Jordan I appreciate you incite but I'm not sure if shanann had that many followers for her vids before she was murdered. It's been reported that people would unfollow her on fb because she was so annoying and posting nonstop.

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

YEP!

@Gazzi79

Жыл бұрын

That's true.

@Tia-Louisa

8 ай бұрын

Yes one of their family friends admitted that he had to unfollow her because she posted every three minutes.

@christalake7899

8 ай бұрын

and NA didn't even invite her to her wedding

@vickiwilson2185

6 ай бұрын

I totally believe that everyone has touched on the situation greatly.

No way in hell I’d stay with someone who screwed up my finances and had their phone ping when I used my card!!!!

@sandrabreedlove3661

3 ай бұрын

Should of walked out leaving Shannon setting in her palace it wasn't no one but hers never cared if anyone had a place to stay as long she could profile look at me

@nancydavis4618

2 ай бұрын

@@sandrabreedlove3661the house was only in his name

@jak9483

2 ай бұрын

😅

@jonesy2892

2 ай бұрын

Yeah. No way in hell I'd stay married to a lizard. Wouldn't want for him to kill me or my toddlers.

@user-mw6fr7tw6e

2 ай бұрын

he even didnt have a Car,only Work Truck and he wasnt alowed to put a Nail in the Wall of her House.He never fight back but inside it ws boiling i think,Thrive also let him come,out of his Shell,.

I don’t understand why some people feel like it’s a sin or something to call someone out after their death. Yes, she and the kids were murdered, and I do not at all condone that. But to put her on a pedestal and act like she was some blameless saint just because she was murdered is just as wrong. Someone can get murdered and still have been a bitch in life.

@Tia-Louisa

8 ай бұрын

Exactly, switch the genders and see how these Shenanigans bleat. They can't see deep enough to enjoy the research and the fact that there are always three sides to every story.

@deb3670

7 ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more! It's sickening how so many have her on a pedestal like she was the greatest person to ever walk this planet.

@crazycatlady68

7 ай бұрын

​@@deb3670like the Shiners.

@lida8433

7 ай бұрын

Evil person is simply evil ded or alive

@user-my5px4qd7i

7 ай бұрын

I think because we don’t know what happens after death. Could the person haunt you?

She was a hustler in North Carolina and ran some scams and was charged and a Changed her name twice and cheated on her first husband.

@toomuchmom

2 ай бұрын

Interesting.

@jaimhaas5170

2 ай бұрын

Facts. She was far more devious than most will admit to.

@fadfudge4719

2 ай бұрын

is there a video or article for this?

@toomuchmom

2 ай бұрын

@@fadfudge4719 You have to just start searching her name in KZread…there are a lot of channels that started to unveil the truth.

@jaimhaas5170

2 ай бұрын

@@fadfudge4719 You can glean much of it from the interviews that were done by the CBI. Several talked about her earlier days and also about how she claimed to have every illness she saw presented on TV. She was a very disturbed woman.

I think her story about how she tried to ''push him away'' when they first started dating was an exaggeration or a lie

@FSUruizfamily

5 ай бұрын

Yup. To inflate her ego talking about how hard he pursued her.

@nomjko

4 ай бұрын

Yep

@quester09

4 ай бұрын

I doubt that he'd pursue his hat if it blew off his head. He was kind of a nothing.

@jackhersh1

2 ай бұрын

I think he wasnt her type but went with it because he persisted

@alwilson3204

2 ай бұрын

@@quester09 Yet it's difficult to figure that he played with the kids, sold his Mustang for her Lexus leased MLM car, cleaned the house, worked a real job, and was never known to denigrate her publicly, even though he did become a deranged murderer. Facts are facts, quester. On his side (for a second), people should always look closely at the fiance's failed marriages prior to becoming that deeply involved.

She spent money they didn't have everyday ,had a job that actually cost money

@sandrabreedlove3661

3 ай бұрын

Traveling is what it's called

She was not only demeaning to CW and the kids she was also cruel to Dieter she put him in a shirt sleeve and filmed him struggling to get out Damn animal abuser..🤬

@Beatrix1111

6 ай бұрын

Shannan was very sadistic.

@sandrabreedlove3661

3 ай бұрын

Put out in the cold for Christmas couldn't be part of the family

@Truth17John17

Ай бұрын

Animal and child abuser. Her videos made me sick to my stomach.

@johanrahan3189

Ай бұрын

I found the Christmas vlog where Chris was dressed up as Santa was really disturbing The kids were frieked out !!Children want to imagine Santa and all its mystery not have him suddenly turn up at home .She could see they were upset and forced them to sit on "santas" knee for a happy families photo .

@NinjaIntheMatrix188

14 күн бұрын

You guys must be reincarnated Salem witch trial Karens. Smh

I had a friend like Shanann, always big groups of people around her, I am more of a quiet person and someone who likes to have the company of one or two friends, but this friend of mine drove me crazy, always on the phone, distracted, self-promoting, insatiable need to be liked, hordes of people around her, it was very strange -when I did catch her alone, she seemed very uneasy like she had to unload her list of recent accomplishments upon me. Anyhow, she’s older now, like almost 60 and she just completely burned herself out. I honestly don’t know where she is or what she’s doing. It’s so much work to be with a person like that. There is absolutely NO excuse for killing another human being but I see videos of Chris Watts talking and he is like the complete and polar opposite of what Shanann was. It can be so difficult for an introverted person to be around someone who is highly emotional and “on” all the time.

@elizabethowens8548

10 ай бұрын

I was a bit like sha'nann and what you say is true including burning myself out

@RachaelNelson-bj3ku

10 ай бұрын

I'm one who would not allow my kids To be around Cindy, Ronnie , Jamie Cause of the whole nut deal .

@TangledTrueCrime

10 ай бұрын

And you probably drove her crazy! Js

@elizabethowens8548

10 ай бұрын

@RachaelNelson-bj3ku like all the legumes, soybean oil and tree nuts in those stupid ass overpriced empty pretend nutrition bars shannann was on live feeding her girls. Everything in Shannon's was made up and Chris was stupid and became violent. Poor girls two wretched parents

@leiaitri0444

9 ай бұрын

You could've summed this all up by saying "I had a friend like Shan'ann and I was so jealous I'd never accomplish as much as she did in her life. So much so, I still talk about her years later..."

I think she had a touch of a fictitious disorder. Surgery, medicines, etc etc. at autopsy no signs of any of the claims. What happened was unspeakable but I wish people would be honest. This didn’t happen in a vacuum.

@dreaj1077

7 ай бұрын

Every time Shannon was sick or had surgery, the girls were healthy. When Shannon was well, the girls were constantly sick. I think you're correct.

Shanann was a typical Histrionic. Very jealous of Jamies kids and the attention they got from grandparents. Im sure she did flirt, alot and dress provocatively on her Thrive getways. Always tons of makeup too. She was very aware of her appearance claiming "im a hot mess, dont mind me". Not a statement needed. She was very shallow in her Thrive schpiels using one or two words only to explain products. "Super excited, amazing" but with little emotion while saying these things repeatedly. And she made a big deal of how close she was with her friends. Facebook give notice of birthdays and because she got lots of messages, it doesn't mean those people adore you, but she thought so. One "friend"in a documentary thought Chris Miller was her husband! And Nicole Atkinson and her were not as besty friends as they appeared. These "close friends " were more aquaintances through her MLMs. Flying off the handle as seen in Nutgate, one great example of her exaggerated emotions. I would definitely place SW in the category of Hystionic with a ton of magical thinking. Life was going down hill fast for her and she wasnt even in tune with the disaster that lay ahead. Murder or not.

@cleopatra1633

3 ай бұрын

She was an insufferable self obsessed woman that abused her children, especially her eldest daughther. The only victims were the children.

@Truth17John17

Ай бұрын

Good observations. I found Shanaan's home videos cringe-worthy and VERY telling..... She was a narcissist and abused those children medically and emotionally. Too many people are brainwashed and elevate her to sainthood status only because she's dead.

@mstubeornottube

Ай бұрын

Provocative? Her sense of style leaves me cold.

@JoJo65654

Ай бұрын

@@mstubeornottube You mean you don't just love that Lu La Roe leopard print dress with the big slit up the side and that cleavage showing? Hahaha

@chellesama8256

25 күн бұрын

And Chris was a covert narcissist. I've worked with several and been related to one so my opinion is as valid as yours.

I saw a video that was filmed on Christmas Eve. Chris dressed up as Santa Claus. Neither one of the little girls wanted to go into the front room and see Santa and get a gift. The littlest one was screaming her head off. Bella, was saying she didn't want to go. Neither one of the little girls wanted to open a gift. Even with Cee Cee screaming, Shanann continued to take video. So bizarre to me that she would take video of that! She made them go into the front room of the house. Bella was near tears. She was told to open her gift. She was quite unhappy and whining. Cee Cee had been bawling. They didn't seem happy with the water bottles or slippers they got. It made me thing something was going on in that house. I have never seen children so unhappy on Christmas. Why? What happened when the camera was not on? Other videos, it seemed like she told the little girls to act a certain way and say things she told them to. Like when she announced her pregnancy. She had the little girls say, "Yay!" It seemed so forced - like they were acting for the camera. When Chris came in and she told him she was pregnant he seemed to be acting. He said, "That's awesome". It seemed SO FAKE!!

@rtdnrse

3 ай бұрын

Right.....Chris' 'that's awesome' was almost like he vomited it out of his mouth. He knew they could not afford another mouth to feed. The way she treated those little girls, I shudder to think when a little boy came along how the girls would really be ignored.

@GusMac-kv7zi

Ай бұрын

She followed Cee Cee and filmed her terror never once giving the child any comfort as a normal mother would, Mommy Dearest.

@Truth17John17

Ай бұрын

That video you describe literally haunted me. It was SO cringeworthy and clearly revealed how manipulative and controlling, and mentally disturbed Shanaan was. Her social media posts reveal that Shanaan did not care about those dear little girls. The fact that Shanaan even published that video screams mental illness or pure evil. Cici was terrified of "Santa Clause", screaming and crying and Shanaan with that smirk on her face, following her around, all the while with the camera pointed at her own face.

@Truth17John17

Ай бұрын

@@GusMac-kv7zi EXACTLY! Shanaan seemed amused by her daughter's terror.... that disgusting smirk on her face!

@katarinanicol1651

Ай бұрын

I remember Shannan scaring the kids with a creepy easter bunny.

Three monsters lived in that house SW, Chris and the MLM company. Poor babies, especially Bella the way SW treated her was irredeemable. Chris deserves to rot in a cell, however, his attorneys could have probably mounted a viable temporary insanity defense. Living with SW and that unrelenting MLM and her phone recording every second of the staged day. So sad.

@kalnedlewil2897

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly said!!!

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he did not realize he was being abused, to start with then you have to prove it, and PROVE IT well. I know, I have been there, but he did not see/realize/ or perhaps did not want to admit what was going on. It is a process. That is why women do not just get up and leave immediately.

@gregthomas2448

Жыл бұрын

@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern My point is, there was more than one dark force in that house.

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

@@gregthomas2448 Agree, but the catalyst was SW, IMO. And had CW figured things out sooner, only then could he have brought temp insanity to the table. He just gave up. I do not understand WHY the girls had to go too. That is the shame of it all, aside from them being abused by HER. On another note though, no one REALLY knows CW's personality type, and I doubt if we ever will. He can stay where he is at, but I wonder where he'd be today had he married someone else.

@gregthomas2448

Жыл бұрын

@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern salient points, I agree. I don’t think he was a born killer. I really don’t. I think he was weak. I don’t pretend to know the answers and I’m not a clinical psychologist however, I’m just say’n the guy lost it. His family his friends even NK I would have hoped they would tell him. Get a divorce, it will be bad, you will be ok. Just such a sad ending. I also agree taking the girls remains unexplained to me. That one haunts, because I’m not sure we know the truth.

She did NOT deserve her fate of course BUT she must have been a pain to be married to. What husband wants his wife to put his whole life put on social media? What husband wants his wife to sign up to a MLM and payments on a Lotus and pretend it’s “a job”. What husband wants his wife to spend them into their SECOND bankruptcy ffs?! What husband wants to see his wife’s closet packed with expensive designer shoes that she never wears (she lived in the same old pair of sandals every day). What husband wants a wife who insists on having a third child when they couldn’t even afford to keep the first two? What husband wants a wife who videos her husband hearing the news that she is pregnant and puts that video on fb? (She made him repeat that scene several times, by the way, until he performed it to her satisfaction.). How abnormal is THAT? What husband wants a wife who makes him do all the housework and childcare after he has already done a day’s work? What husband wants a wife who is a hypochondriac and has munchausens by proxy and runs up huge medical bills? What husband wants a wife who packs her kids off to expensive private daily child care so she is free to spend all her time on fb? What husband wants a wife who forced him to propose marriage on video (and paid a professional photographer to film it). because proposing privately wasn’t good enough for her? What husband wants a wife who makes him give up his career in motors, which he loved, to work on an oil storage unit? What husband wants a wife who makes him to move to Colorado away from his own family? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩. Chris should never have married her in the first place. His mother was right about that.

@jaimhaas5170

Ай бұрын

Yeah Cindy was on to this spousal abuser from the start. The more you know about scam ann the more you can't trust her behaviors. She killed those little girls. Little doubt in my mind and those that have spent the time looking into her past behaviors.

@myraclayton1860

12 күн бұрын

I didn’t know about a few of the things you mentioned. You forgot to mention she embezzled money from one of her last jobs. I can’t remember where she was working at that time.

@jaimhaas5170

12 күн бұрын

Isolating your victim is part of the grand narc's plan. SW fit that to a tee.

You said she wasn’t grandiose but I have to disagree with you. Her whole life is grandiose. Her house, her luxury car (both of which were way over their heads) the way she bragged about Kant people think she had the best husband in the world. She was 100% grandiose with her down line that is a fact.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

An important facet of mental health diagnostics is determining wether behaviors stem from external factors or internal factors. In this case, it is far more reasonable to conclude these behaviors were at the very least largely influenced by the training she received from the MLM, as well as by the socio-cultural context in general. It is far less reasonable to conclude this is necessarily evidence of internal pathology. However, I do think there is evidence Shanann’s personality was more susceptible to MLM influences than a control. This video is partly about identifying and studying that.

@deloreslate4028

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw you can’t really diagnose her without actually examining her though. She was narcissistic before and maybe MLM brought out the sleeping monster in her because I’m sorry no she didn’t deserve to be murdered but all attention had to be on her. Everything in her life was a live. You yourself said it took you 57 hours of going through her posts.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

@@deloreslate4028 Sure you can. But I didn't.

@deloreslate4028

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw not if you are a reputable mental health worker.

@LydiaTheDog-op9wy

5 ай бұрын

Do you have a link to her bragging about her house and car? I've never seen that.

Working in a MLM is like being in a cult. I speak from experience. I am not as driven as Shannan was so never fell into it as hard as she did.

@nidialeon5467

Жыл бұрын

I used to by involved with thrive and it was taking my life away. Thank God I don’t do that again. I spend so much money and never made anything is all a lie

@loralieisa

Жыл бұрын

@@nidialeon5467 I got involved with Herbalife a long time ago, and saw that some were successful at building their downline. I always had a regular job, but still have an Herbalife membership because the protocol made me feel a lot better. If they go out of business I'll probably lose it : - )

@nancyminui9108

11 ай бұрын

​@@nidialeon5467I was involved with Thrive just recently for a couple of weeks and mentioned to my promoter that it seemed like a cult. During the anniversary of the killings I listen to a lot of videos about Shanann and became alarmed if she was in my group and was friends with the same people I deal with. Including Nickole and Christina, her friend from Hawaii. I admire them both!

@rubytuesday1316

7 ай бұрын

LD$/FLD$/RLD$ > mormons

@ajordan1976

7 ай бұрын

​@@rubytuesday1316 The LDS is church and many members belong to mlms but the Watts weren't LDS.

Who could live thier whole life on camera...he should have left ...

@traciepfalz6820

8 ай бұрын

A lot of ppl live their lives on camera.....and, THEY don't murder!!! THIS is ridiculous! Sha'nann & her beautiful children did NOT deserve this BC of that monster having an affair & NOT having the courage to face the truth & facts!!! He should've filed for divorce & been done! Now he messed up his life & ALL of the families involved! Such a tragedy & heinous crime! RIP Shannan, her beautiful children & her family!! ❤❤❤

@dwightrenfield2241

7 ай бұрын

And a lot of people DON’T live their lives on camera, and have no desire to. Nobody said it’s an excuse for murder. But, in a case like this, it’s certainly prudent to look at everything going in their lives. Things build up over time and it’s hard to tell who can handle it and who can’t.

@lisakaye3919

6 ай бұрын

He was too weak to leave!!! He is a weak murderous coward

@LydiaTheDog-op9wy

5 ай бұрын

He didn't live his whole life on camera. Get real.

@user-sk7yr9zo1i

5 ай бұрын

@@dwightrenfield2241 no they don't..most of us would have said please turn the Camera off..l didn't say it wasn't a Horrific thing to do.. didn't say he wasn't a Monster.. didn't say he was right either..he deserves to be where he is...he should have left..not killed his Family

It is insane to me that just bc someone is dead you have to regard them as a saint. She absolutely DID NOT deserve to be murdered. Absolutely not. And Chris watts is at fault. Did shanaan have some issues? Obvi yes.

@pchaparala

22 күн бұрын

she wasn’t a saint but she doesn’t deserved to be bashed and trashed either, let her rest in peace, sheesh

@nicholedelaney8152

Күн бұрын

⁠@@pchaparalahow is she being bashed? Her behavior that she put online had some interesting behaviors that some want to analyze. It’s horrible what happened to her and she did not deserve what that selfish monster did.

My home is my sanctuary -- when I walk in, I expect an amount of privacy that I don't expect when I walk outside the door. My family is entitled to feel the same way. Some people say live social media is the "norm," and maybe that's true for you. But how hard is it to ask your family how they feel about being livestreamed to the world before you turn on the camera? It's easy to see that their girls were being raised that they cannot expect any privacy no matter where they were, and what's more, they were taught they had no power to create their own personal boundaries, even when their mother was being cruel to them -- and their father went along with it. The whole family's lives were one big social media show that SW directed, and nobody had a choice but to deal with it or face negative consequences. Breaks my heart. I like this video. Sometimes the truth is painful, but it's still the truth.

@paulanichols5961

11 ай бұрын

I couldn't have said it better than that @suerhoades5779

@christalake7899

8 ай бұрын

Poor Bella couldn't even sit on the toilet or go to the doctor or even eat without a camera in her face

@AbsolutelyNot86

7 ай бұрын

⁠It's really sad to see that poor baby couldn’t even have long hair. It breaks my heart every time I see the photos/videos of her. And if anyone disagrees with what I'm saying, please let's not attack each other. Let's have a mature conversation and respect each other's opinions. Thank you!

@flowerjpotter1629

7 ай бұрын

​@@AbsolutelyNot86 Yes. The hair. Poor Bella was given the same hairstyle as her dad. It was cruel. I wondered if it was because Shanann didn't like Bella's natural curls.

@KaraLynnJack

6 ай бұрын

THAT'S what I think! I think SW had hated her own prone to curly...or as she put it ...frizzy hair and projected that onto poor Bella! Bella's hair would have beautiful had SW allowed it to grow into its natural curls and not cut off every time it started to curl!!!​@@flowerjpotter1629

She had munchausens and munchausen by proxy. Extremely histrionic. Those poor kids

@spiritwalker9903

Ай бұрын

💯 agree

Bravo!! I lived in Watts Island for a couple years (name given to those of us who were obsessed over this case) and I can tell you that Chris Watts had ASPERGER SYNDROME. If you take a deep dive and go back over his ENTIRE life you will find a very clear picture of a man on the high functioning spectrum. Social awkwardness, shy, quiet, highly intelligent, obsessive tendencies, lack of GENUINE emotional attachment, lack of empathy, poor communication skills, etc. The FBI stated several times that Chris Watts DID NOT fit any of their normal profiles, so no, he is not a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist. He doesn’t fit ANY of those. I have been screaming this since the case started, and most ppl called me crazy. Then little by little as Chris just didn’t fit the narrative some were laying out…….I did have MANY who finally came to my corner. In fact, the family has felt for a couple or so years now that Chris has Asperger Syndrome. The rest of your analysis on Shannan Watts is SPOT ON! It’s very hard to present this truth because you get called a victim basher and they just don’t realize that in reality……dead people don’t automatically become saints. So BRAVO on a job WELL DONE!!

@jordanhenshaw

8 ай бұрын

Yeah none of those things you mentioned point to any mental health disorder like ASD. Social awkwardness is not clinically relevant, shyness is not clinically relevant, quietness is not clinically relevant, obsessive tendencies-I don't know what you mean by that, lack of genuine emotional attachment-again I don't think that actually means anything, lack of empathy-I don't think there's any evidence of substantive empathy impairment, and poor communication skills-I don't even know where you got that from. There was a claim made by his sister about his behavior in early childhood that pointed specifically in the direction of ASD (restricted range of interests, extreme difficulty socializing about anything not directly related to the primary fixation of interest), but wore off and frankly isn't enough to even suggest ASD formally-not without much more information. People WAYYYY overestimate their ability to pick out ASD in the wild. People think it's this fairly common, general trait that's easy to identify in the rough. It isn't . It's a very distinct cluster of behavioral patterns. 90% of the traits laypeople attribute to ASD are not ASD. Most of the traits turn out to be introversion, poor social conditioning in childhood (NOT necessarily evidence of a disorder), and masculinity.

@reneesantiago6496

8 ай бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw My ex husband has AS, and I’ve worked with children on the professional level with various disorders including AS for about a decade now. I also spearhead a county community “workshop” for those on the high functioning end of the spectrum (AS technically has been deleted on the professional realm) and their families. I was asked to help this group get started by the therapist that my ex husband and I used. He is a specialist in adult AS and helps with (marriage, family)issues. I KNOW what AS looks like, and my OPINION is that Chris Watts fits the bill. You can disagree if you’d like….that doesn’t bother me. I’m not going to waste my time debating a janitor when I work with adults and children with AS, and I LIVED with it for 10 yrs, as well as work alongside an adult AS specialist. Realistically, neither you nor I can 100% say that he does or doesn’t have AS. I could dive into any one of your claims that I have wrong about Chris and various AS traits that I believe are there, but you aren’t worth it. You are far too argumentative to your viewers and you seem to like being a smart a__s. I thank you for your ever so kind reply. Have a great day!

@jordanhenshaw

8 ай бұрын

@@reneesantiago6496 Yeah most of the traits you mentioned are not clinical symptoms of anything and the ones you did list that could be clinical traits are not based in evidence we have of Chris, and the other ones are so far removed from being professional discourse that I have no idea what on earth you’re even getting at. It doesn’t matter if you are or are not a layperson or if you do or don’t have status or experience. If you say dumb stuff, you’re saying dumb stuff.

@reneesantiago6496

8 ай бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw The evidence that I have to form my opinion on Chris’s clinical traits is from watching every single video and piece of footage out there of CW. I closely watched him alone, with friends, with co workers, and especially with his family. I listened to every single interview that pertained to Chris. AS is not as complicated and rare as you seem to think. In fact, some researchers feel that it’s possible our brains (especially males) are starting to slowly evolve into more and more AS (spectrum) traits. High functioning autism is actually a wider net than you seem to understand. A person who has AS isn’t necessarily going to stick out like a sore thumb. I may have watered down the AS traits that I see, but watered down or described out more professionally……it doesn’t change the fact that CW most definitely has “some” AS traits. I’ve already been down this road HARD, and studied CW alongside professionals that I work with in this field. Though of course, I’m not 100% diagnosing him. What I am saying is that the traits I see most definitely are enough for him to get a proper professional evaluation. I stand strong that Chris is not a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist (possibly a bit inward, but nothing outward) If I would have come across you about 4 yrs ago I’d be up for a full out debate…….but I have no desire to return to Watts Island. So we can agree to disagree.

@jordanhenshaw

8 ай бұрын

@@reneesantiago6496 difficulty understanding facial expressions Difficulty with figurative language Repetitive stemming behaviors Low tolerance for rough textures in clothing Restricted range of interests Tendency to hyper-fixate to the point of not being aware of surroundings This is the ASD profile. It’s distinct. Notice social awkwardness, shyness, introversion is not in that list. To nail down ASD you need direct evidence of many of those distinct patterns. Not a qualia you subjectively deem to smell like ASD (or AS if you’re trying to lower the standards). Lower the standards or not, it doesn’t matter. Chris is the wrong shape. Honestly it’s dumb to call it AS because the word spectrum is still in ASD. Stripping the D because you don’t think it’s a disorder is silly. It is. That’s why it’s defined in a diagnostic manual. People seriously struggle with this stuff. It’s not a difference in preference. It’s inability.

Some women should simply not have children.

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

That is an absolute FACT!

@sandrabreedlove3661

3 ай бұрын

Lot more then some

@annnee6818

2 ай бұрын

When I saw her unilaterally decide they were gonna have a third child despite crippling debt and live stream his response I thought "no, I don't think this woman is a nice person"

@TEXASGAL4HIM

2 ай бұрын

She didn't make them all by herself. There is a procedure for men too. Just like he had the option to divorce, he chose to murder his entire family! I know lots of men and women that ignore their children, aren't engaged with their children's activities, because their faces are buried in their phone screen! Y'all are hanging this 1 woman as it she is the only one doing that! Yes, there are many women AND men who don't deserve the children they are blessed with. There are women that have baby after baby with different fathers and some are abandoned by BOTH parents. There are so many family dynamics that exist in this fast world that wants to go faster and faster and still it isn't fast enough. I'm gonna ask any one of you from who made the original comment or anyone that replied to it, do you see anything in your life that could use some improvement? What about in yourself? How you treat others, Do you look at people in public and when you see someone unique, you criticize their hair, clothes, make-up, tattoos etc... Y'all, no matter how this woman lived her life, do you believe she deserved to die because of it? If she hadn't been murdered by her husband along with their beautiful babies, would you even have known who she was?

@nillyk5671

2 ай бұрын

Like Nicole Kessinger. I hope you don't mean Shan'ann.

The first couple of minutes of this video mischaracterizes why people suspected Chris Watts. The problem with his behavior wasn't that he seemed to be hiding something. Rather, it was that he showed zero concern for the people that he claimed to be missing. It was stark obvious from his body language and behavior that he didn't give a crap at all about his wife and kid's being gone (dead). That is the point. It's not about "hiding something", though it was also partially that as well. In fact, Watts doesn't even come across in the aftemath videos as someone who is possibly in a state of shock or trauma. There was absolutely nothing even remotely indicative of trauma in his demeanour. He just seemed like a guy who was happy and relieved but trying not to show it. He radiated a pleasant and sarcastic mood that was utterly incongruous with his overt claims or even his phony initial confession.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

You don’t consider “Nothing even feels real right now, this all seems like a dream” to be at all consistent with shock from trauma? He said this in the media interview.

@katherinez1234

5 ай бұрын

You can't be serious? @@jordanhenshaw

@MyLove-qi6lg

2 ай бұрын

@@katherinez1234 shock lasts up to 48 hours

@lonelyheroine

Ай бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw I'm sorry that you took the time to make this. Please find something more worthwhile to do. Just a suggestion. Obviously, I can't tell you what to do, however.

She was vain. Always taking pictures of herself. I think because she was so insecure with herself, she felt the need to be validated by people commenting on her pics/posts.

@chrisv.4071

9 ай бұрын

I always felt she was insecure because she admitted she struggled through school where Chris one time got it so I always felt she would make him feel inadequate to secure her own issues here !!!!

@Donotevengotherewithme

9 ай бұрын

@@chrisv.4071 I 💯 agree

@baneverything5580

9 ай бұрын

Look up NEEKS PEEKS analysis too.

@Donotevengotherewithme

9 ай бұрын

@@baneverything5580 I have watched all her videos.

@CockNozzleJones

9 ай бұрын

Who gives a shit if she was vain? Again, Chris Watts could have left her. This isn't rocket science. My ex wife wasn't vain. We just got married too young and didn't get along so I left. Crazy right? I didn't murder her and our 2 kids. Amazing that you can actually move on from a partner without murdering them and the kids, huh?

I think you open yourself up to being judged when you have a public online presence

SW commented many times about she herself being the fiery one and chalked it up to her Italian heritage. While CW was go with the flow. He upset her once, and she put him out of the house for the night. He did his best to never put himself there again. At all costs.

@teresasis6980

2 ай бұрын

That was before they were married. If she was so terrible then why did he marry her? It is all hearsay and from his point of view and he has already shown himself to be a liar on many occasions.

@Msewell073

2 ай бұрын

@teresasis6980 a passive person find themselves walking on eggshells so not to upset a more controlling partner. Even if that happened before they were wed, he had likely been doing his best to not upset her and suffer the consequences. It's a deep psychological issue he had with women in his life taking control. He was fine with it until he wasn't. And it took yet another controlling persuasive woman yo point out to him that he was under the thumb, so to speak of his financial and emotional abuser. SW had said in the days before her expiration that she never thought about how some of her words and actions make him feel, as a man. Emasculated and powerless.

I think she was a control freak and she emotionally abused her husband and her children. I wish he would have just left and not murdered his wife and children.

@jordanhenshaw

9 ай бұрын

He tried to. She didn’t let him.

@brodyrichard263

8 ай бұрын

@@jordanhenshawshe would have never let him go. Because that would cause her to lose these things that she loves so much. I explained this to my wife. She finally gets it. He couldn’t have made it more clear he wanted to leave. And with NK pushing and pushing and pushing I don’t see much other outcomes to this story besides precisely what happened. And he is weak enough and desperate enough to let it happen and even do it himself

@jordanhenshaw

8 ай бұрын

@@brodyrichard263 Do what himself?

@srsly5570

3 ай бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw She was away for 5-6 weeks along with the children. Do not tell me he had no opportunity to leave. He didn't want to face the consequences of leaving, which no doubt, she would have made public, and as painful and intolerable for him as humanly possible.

@lesleymaner2851

2 ай бұрын

@@srsly5570she was a sick lady who definitely would have made his life even more unbearable if he left

To be honest, I could not have spent 15 minutes ALONE with Shannon or Chris even if I was paid to do it... Same thing with Chris unbearable mom...

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

With his eyes closed in unconsciousness. I was there once, and am still trying to break free from my brainwashing.

I found all of Shananne's social media videos interacting with the children or Chris uncomfortable and cringy to watch. I understand now after hearing your explanation it was because Shananne demonstrated the personality trait 'empathy impairment'.

Chris said she would always resort to threatening him when she didnt get her way and he would relent. I used to not believe him when he said she threatened to never let him see the kids again if he left her but now im not so sure. He didnt want to be in the many videos she took of the family especially the baby reveal video but if you tried to tell her anything that went against what she wanted she would always get angry.

@jaimhaas5170

Ай бұрын

She drank a lot too. Even while pregnant. Numerous vids show this.

SW definitely drew attention to her appearance. "don't mind me I'm a hot mess" 'I don't care how I look" these are things women say when they are trying to draw attention or compliments from men or women. You better count that trait in.

@bebop3148

Жыл бұрын

She was constantly fishing for compliments and it worked. ugh

@msjujuz266

Жыл бұрын

Or when feeling insecure

@JD-ix2ss

Жыл бұрын

She probably felt insecure not out looking for attention.

@petsitter1969

Жыл бұрын

I get what your saying the end result was the same. If SW was insecure she was still seeking attention by the look at me, my appearance is bad thing . She really enjoyed compliments . It's not always a bad thing. Just something I noticed people do when needing to have attention. CWa ex girlfriend before Shannon did an interview awhile back. She said if Shanann wasn't told by people around her how good she looked SW would cut them out of CWs life. CW hugged a friends wife in greeting once. SW forbid CW from talking to his friend or friends wife. Extremely insecure needing to be the center.

@RK-vf4mo

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely 💯

I don't believe she had friends I believe SW had people who were on her up and down lines ( her job in MLM ).

@victoriavancartier7379

Жыл бұрын

Big difference between friends and acquaintances too....

@JD-ix2ss

Жыл бұрын

She had Nicole Atkinson she had the friend from Hawaii i think her name is Christina who she knew for years that came an stayed with her to help her after her neck surgery she also had Cassie they were all close friends you see how much they all cared for each other.

@carolinekelsall9080

Жыл бұрын

@@JD-ix2ss SW used all the people she knew.

@RK-vf4mo

Жыл бұрын

I can not believe people think she was an angel. Urgh. I could see right through her in thr Netflix Doc. She financially abused chris as well as emotional abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if she hit him too.

@SophieJackson1993

Жыл бұрын

@@RK-vf4mo It’s not all that relevant. He’s still a disgusting monster and those documentaries are specifically about what he done, not what she done. People argue ‘well that pushed him.’ No. Nothing could push a father to murder his kids. Yeah she could’ve been a bitch but he was demonic.

Shannan’s had plenty of MLM friends and it doesn’t mean she had a lot of personal friends prior to joining the company . I think she wasn’t good at managing money .she appears to have a dominating personality and things have to go her way . She never deserve to die though , especially her daughters . RIP

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

Who knows if he could manage money. SW would him allow him to!

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern Exactly. SHe took every dime then spent a quarter. She was horrible at limiting anything she wanted.

@RachaelNelson-bj3ku

10 ай бұрын

He let her do so

@Tia-Louisa

8 ай бұрын

@@jaimhaas5170 The FBI mentioned her monthly deliveries of packages and hair care products that were billed to CW's account etc etc. He had no idea. He stupidly trusted her.

@karadodge7118

7 ай бұрын

Right. No one ever ever says she deserved it. The pint is she is not a saint or a martyr, and she is a high level Narc who tortured her kids and her husband, even if said husband is a pos.

Her reaction to Chris' affair seems realistic in that she is pregnant with 2 kids and your source of financial support is about ready to disappear....

@IndigoRoses7

Жыл бұрын

She contributed to that only source of income being Chris. The girls were in daycare all day, she could have done Thrive on the side and worked a regular 9 to 5, even part time. Thrive was her 6th or 7th attempt MLM business making and each one had failed. In fact..my parents used to do Amway, which is one of the MLM companies Shanann was in before Thrive. My parents lost everything attempting to get their business off the ground. She chose over and over again to try to get MLMs to work for her when they take more money from you than they put in your wallet. I've seen that first hand with my own parents. On top of the failed MLMs and her not wanting to work a regular job, she constantly traveled. She portrayed herself a certain way online as far as her financial status that did not reflect reality. They couldn't afford the house. They couldn't afford her car she drove, they were in staggering amounts of debt that ranged from the medical bills and credit card debt. She had around 37,000 worth of unused MLM products in their basement collecting dust. She insisted on Bella and Cece attending a daycare that cost around 550$ per week..over 25,000$ per year. Just on daycare. Cece was not preschool age yet..there was less expensive options. I'm not saying she deserved any of this, but her spending and portraying an affluent lifestyle while in staggering amounts of debt was part of the huge problems going on in that house. You can't spend like that and live like that without a plan B, especially when they already filed for bankruptcy in 2015 and it was almost 500,000$ worth of debt. She desperately needed help..her spending habits were out of control. She wouldn't have been in such a difficult position without Chris, had she learned better spending habits, downsizing home, downsizing daycare costs, etc. You can't have a spending addiction and being mostly dependent on a spouse while in serious amounts of debt. It should NOT have ended in tragedy, but she was financially abusing him and any type of scenario like this, it almost always ends in divorce.

@gachalife_queen2816

Жыл бұрын

Since she was a stay-at-home mom and that was the reason why she said she was doing it mln so that she could be home with her children why would she have them in a daycare all day long that cost more than any other daycare in their area? The only thing that makes sense is why she had them in daycare is cuz she couldn't be around them by the courts

@linseyanne5975

Жыл бұрын

@@IndigoRoses7 Her reaction to his likely affair while she was pregnant was a realistic one no matter what their financial or other situtation.

@Orangecat693

Жыл бұрын

@@gachalife_queen2816 yes

@Orangecat693

Жыл бұрын

@@gachalife_queen2816 I agree

There’s videos of her kids trying not to puke while she forced them to pretend they like those absolutely disgusting bone dry nasty food bars she made everyone eat. Poor Bella was almost to the point of puking and even tried to hide and spit it out while she made them pretend they liked it. It made me sick to watch it

@laur131306

7 ай бұрын

Pretty sure there were nuts in them too but one had a "severe" nut allergy

@brodyrichard263

7 ай бұрын

@@laur131306 no and Chris even said he has only seen photos of the rash never in person. I don’t think Cindy was convinced she had it either what do you think?

@laur131306

7 ай бұрын

@brodyrichard263 it's complete speculation on my part, but I think Cindy was starting to get suspicious about the kids and her supposed illnesses and how SW was treating those innocent babies. I think that's why SW didn't want cindy around them. Cindy enabled Chris too much,but I absolutely believe she loved those babies.

@brodyrichard263

7 ай бұрын

@@laur131306 I agree with that and also somebody actually did the work to compare how many post she made about the kids being sick whenever she had family living there with them versus when it was just her Chris and the kids and there’s basically no sickness or any allergies reported when she had people there ..kind of makes you think

@flowerjpotter1629

7 ай бұрын

The murders were horrific for both families, but I especially felt sorry for Cindy. This poor woman was vilified beyond belief. I hope she's ok.

MBP is what my understanding of her. She was abusive to both the girls and CW, he got sick of the charade, met NK, and his eyes opened up that there was a different lifestyle out there. He crawled out from under her thumb.

@cbesthelper404

Жыл бұрын

Precisely!

@Girl-101

Жыл бұрын

Straight to under the thumb of another woman!

@cbesthelper404

Жыл бұрын

@@Girl-101 That may be true. Chris was not sufficiently developed, but neither was SW. We all need to grow, but both of them needed a whole lot more growing to do in order to be in a healthy relationship. SW seized everyone's space, and Chris never learned to claim his personal space. That he found relief with NK says a lot about the bondage he was in with SW.

@crystalbluepersuasion1027

Жыл бұрын

NK was a narcissist herself. So, even if he hadn’t killed his family, he’d it still would have been “from the frying pan into the fire”. Chris sure knew how to pick ‘em.

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

@@crystalbluepersuasion1027 100%!!

She also displayed Munchausen by Proxy patterns

@diane58444

Жыл бұрын

I thought the exact same thing

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

NEEKS PEEKS shows how she did so.

@figgiepooh81

Жыл бұрын

Exactly..textbook case.

@RachaelNelson-bj3ku

10 ай бұрын

No she was not

@arrivagabry

8 ай бұрын

@@RachaelNelson-bj3ku 🤣

I’m wondering what you think of Shanann and her having Munchausen/Munchausen by proxy? I’d love to have your take on it. She was CONSTANTLY subjecting both her girls and herself to different physicians for a large variety of health issues because she would doctor shop if the girls weren’t diagnosed with what she thought was their problem. She even said openly she would take the girls doctor to doctor until she got the diagnosis she wants. She also subjected the girls to unnecessary ER visits, as well as unnecessary thyroid blood tests in what she suggested was an attempt to figure out why the girls had such thin hair. Also, in the autopsy Shanann had not one of the conditions she claimed to have had. No lupus, endometriosis, gestational diabetes, none of it. As far as her not having NPD, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of her not being grandiose. She asserted her grandiosity over Chris and Chris alone because she could. She knew he would take it with no backlash from him. She demeaned him and insulted his intelligence publicly. She wouldn’t allow him to manage his own money because she thought he was too stupid and she was better but in reality it was to keep it a secret. She wouldn’t let him see his family because they could never do anything right, she was safer, smarter, and a better parent than any of them. She was wholly self serving and that in itself makes her way of thinking grandiose. In addition to that, her MLM affiliations appear to show a degree of grandiosity too. Many of the women “under” her within the company are simply not comparable in physical appearance and/or socioeconomic status, at least on its surface. For example, Nichole Adkinson, the friend that alerted police. MLMs historically target women in vulnerable situations. Struggling single mothers, young college students, single women, women unhappy in their career…people of that nature. In order to target someone one sees as vulnerable, there has to be a level of grandiosity there. Shanann targeted women that wanted to look and live like her. Shanann was not a good person at all. I’m not going to give the blanket disclaimer about blaming anyone other than Chris here either. For 3.5 years anyone emotionally invested in this case has wanted to know why, and Shanann is the why. It’s not her fault but she is solely the reason he did what he did. They had deep rooted marital problems and he hated her because she was who she was and he was who he was. Then the idiot thought he was in love after 8 weeks and snapped because he hated living in his marriage. My personal opinion is that he killed the girls because they walked in on him. Unfortunately, he’s a liar and/or only has the capacity to tell people what he thinks they want to hear versus the truth.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

It took me 57 hours to scroll through a week of her Facebook and I don’t know how to skip to a certain time period, so I don’t know.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure if any of those conditions would have shown up in an autopsy. Furthermore, clinicians often misdiagnose. A lot of the stuff you’re mentioning about grandiosity is better explained by the socio-cultural context than by intrinsic pathology. For the same reason, we don’t diagnose tons of celebrities with NPD, despite the fact that so many meet the clinical criteria. Her antagonism towards Chris was factored in.

@isabellavalencia8026

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw yes they would show up at autopsy that is how they were able to say she did not have the diseases she claimed she had...for example lupus they look at skin as there will be sugns and organs and it was noted she was healthy and no autoimmune disease( which is what lupus is) she was a liar

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

@@isabellavalencia8026 But she could have been misdiagnosed by a licensed doctor, correct?

@isabellavalencia8026

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw no, she was never diagnosed with lupus that was just another of her many lies. You should know literally everything about scam'snn was either fake or a lie including that ridiculous pronunciation of her name...it was really just shannon. The truth was not within this scammer.

“First of all……how dare I?!?” Love it already 🤣🤣🤣 I feel like I could put the statement before most conversations I start

She lack d emotional iq when it came to Chris. Always shoving camera in his face and forcing him to perform for the "lifestyle". She related to the phone more than him.

@CockNozzleJones

9 ай бұрын

So she and the little girls had it coming, right?

@arrivagabry

8 ай бұрын

reminds me of Will Smith and Jada, same situation.

@CockNozzleJones

8 ай бұрын

@@arrivagabry Will Smith killed his kids and his wife?

@arrivagabry

8 ай бұрын

@@CockNozzleJones no not yet, but he did snap when he slapped across the face that guy on stage and that behavior was out of his normal. I never heard Will being aggressive towards people before, living with a person that is toxic does make you react in aggressive ways sooner or later.

@CockNozzleJones

8 ай бұрын

@@arrivagabry killing his family wasn't about "snapping." Watts planned the murders out. No question about it. He's just a dumb guy. Didn't want to pay child or spousal support and wanted to start his life fresh with Kessinger. Was dumb enough to think the police would never check his phone and see all sexting and nudes that Kessinger was sending him daily. Thought he could avoid his neighbor's cameras. Much like Scott Peterson's mistress Amber Frey, Kessinger would most definitely have come forward and flipped on Watts because if she hadn't, the cops would have assumed that Kessinger had some involvement in the murder. Many believe Kessinger actually did have knowledge of the murders and possibly pushed Watts into committing them. That's far more of a possibility than Shanann pushing Watts to kill her and his little daughters. Get real. Watts wanted to start a new life with a new, hot chick and was too dumb to do it the old fashioned way, via divorce. Now his life, just like theirs, is over.

She had “money sex power” written on her timeline with a photo of her in her infamous leopard dress. I find that interesting.

@BluffCreekStudio

Жыл бұрын

she was aging like "MILK SEX POULTRY" LOL

@Tia-Louisa

8 ай бұрын

I find it creepy lol.

@christalake7899

8 ай бұрын

@@Tia-Louisa That leopard outfit was tacky and hideous. It looked more like a Halloween outfit than anything you'd wear to a ''convention''

@Beatrix1111

6 ай бұрын

I'm not surprised. She was very arrogant and conceited.

@menotyou6868

3 ай бұрын

@@Beatrix1111she was neither arrogant or conceited. She was deeply insecure, entitled, and selfish.

I keep saying this. Parents need to learn and education on personality disorders should be part of school curriculum for students and for parents. People do not know that this is so prevalent in people. There wasn't allot of education and information on this for the boomer generation, nor gen X. But for Millennials and Gen Z, there is finally a ton of education and information on Personality Disorders.

@leiaitri0444

9 ай бұрын

The science is still very new and when doctors diagnose patients they're still assessing traits and assigning them to a possible diagnosis, essentially guessing. There's no definitive way to diagnose any personality order.

@SarahBear303

8 ай бұрын

@@leiaitri0444like how “still very new” do you mean?

@lesliekupchanko5001

7 ай бұрын

Check out 2 Tim 3 in the Bible. Paul explains personality disorders in the latter days. It's interesting, imo 🤍

@mudskippa8958

6 ай бұрын

But personality disorders are often caused BY poor parenting. Not always. But very, very often. Most people with NPD have been parented by people with NPD. People with BPD have usually been sexually abused, sometimes by a family member, and/or parented by someone with Cluster B Personality Disorder. I agree with your sentiment, but I think there should be specialist mental health workers in all schools to spot children who are being abused and neglected. No point in educating the parents who are actually doing it. They won't care.

@KaraLynnJack

6 ай бұрын

​@@leiaitri0444Yes, unfortunately, diagnosis and treatment is still in infancy 😢

Chris 100% killed them all. I agree that Shanann had some major issues. But I’m sorry if he really watched her kill those girls then no way would any father then do to them what he did to their little bodies! No way! He blamed Shanann after Tammy Lee gave him that idea. He is a POS who deserves to rot in prison. I also don’t think that anyone but him was involved. I think in his twisted head he thought this is what his mistress wanted. I in no way think she was involved or anyone else. Some creators say his coworkers helped. They blame everyone but chris. Shanann was a bully to Chris but he was also weak. She was a narcissist and living a lie. But kill her girls? Nope.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

You may enjoy observing the mock trial I’m putting on with this channel. I’ve published my defense opening statement, and I think the person playing the prosecution will have their opening statement ready for publishing soon.

@jenx77

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw definitely! I love this channel and your theory on things!

@alyonavam9040

Жыл бұрын

I wonder whether his lover had anything to do with killing the girls or disposing of their bodies

@jenx77

Жыл бұрын

@@alyonavam9040 i myself don’t think she did. I have been so over this case months ago but at one point I was obsessed. I think cw thought his mistress may have wanted him to get rid of his family but I don’t think she ever put that in his head let alone was physically apart of it. She is trash but a killer I don’t think so. Just my opinion though. I could be so wrong.

@shirleydrake1602

11 ай бұрын

Chris has much more freedom now then he did while living with his family. His body is in jail but his thoughts and emotions are free, possibly for the first time in his life. I expect he is reasonably happy.

According to one interview of someone who knew Shannon, she would say things that indicated that she was grandiose and felt better than others. If a ‘friend’ lived in a modest home, as that is what many of us buy in order to live within our means, she would comment negatively to and about that person. It’s clear she believed she was entitled to buy the largest newest home/mansion, within ‘reason.’ She used embezzled Dirty South funds to buy her first mansion and then fled out of state to buy her second mansion, which she couldn’t afford so only chris’ name was listed on the deed! Who pulls that crap but a grandiose personality ?

@jaimhaas5170

5 ай бұрын

Evil mothering too. She is MbP.

@user-lv4ok9vo5o

5 ай бұрын

It was obvious that shannon was obsessed with appearances by all accounts. She even performed a makeup tutorial for the world to see how she drew on her question-mark-shaped eyebrows. So not sure why this dood couldn’t figure that one out. Shannon’s life was one big theatrical show. She also spent thousands on brandname and MLM clothing and shoes for herself. Spent a lot on stuffing Chris’ and girls’ huge closets with her cutesy T-shirts and everything else a person could possibly wear. Shannon’s health claims baffled me. I’m very familiar with fibromyalgia and she did not ACT as though she had FMD but at times she SPOKE like she had FMD. My guess is Shannon memorized a real patient’s script and spoke those words in order to make people believe her story to sell thrive and garner sympathy and attention. There is no way that thrive eradicated her FMD. There is no cure for FMD. Part of the issue is that persons with FMD are actually very sick behind closed doors and very inactive due to the disease, but the few times we go out we put on a show that we are normal-looking. Because behind the scenes it is difficult for us to perform self-care, let alone get out of bed to toilet or take a shower! I personally don’t think it was possible for her to be as active as she was and to be diagnosed with FMD. It is a crippling disease and a lot of patients cannot work, let alone maintain a pristine mansion and run after two/three little babies! You should really see the unkempt state of my humble ranch house right now! :-( I’m less familiar with lupus but know it is deadly and affects the organs. Patients have lots of tests, followup appointments, medications, failing organs, etc. Shannon never spoke of any of these aspects of these debilitating and complex disorders, and thrive is not a cure for lupus! I had never heard of a parent just arbitrarily handing out Benadryl to their children on the regular in efforts to get them to sleep. That sounds like dangerous and terrible parenting. We cannot know what medical problems any of these people actually suffered from and what they were diagnosed with. That is why the fact there was no trial is such a miscarriage of justice because there are so many unanswered questions, NK and anyone else involved are not investigated even a little bit, all confidential files on the minor children are permanently sealed, and shannon’s health records are permanently sealed! We will never know what tests were ran on the girls and for what reason, test results, and anything else. I hope one day soon reopening the watts case is warranted and the actual truth of this mysterious case is revealed! NK is involved to some extent, and her father should be charged as well with obstruction of justice.

@jaimhaas5170

5 ай бұрын

@@user-lv4ok9vo5o She would see some illness on TV then pronounce she suffered from it. The detectives mentioned this. I think they knew SW killed the girls. Something off when CW went from desiring full trial then suddenly plea'd the thing out.

@waynewear5839

5 ай бұрын

@@jaimhaas5170 ⛳️

@toomuchmom

2 ай бұрын

@@user-lv4ok9vo5o Thank you for that very articulate and accurate explanation of Fibro. I have it along with CFIDS and that is my experience, exactly. I do think that Shannan used illnesses in herself and her children as another means of attention supply. She absolutely was the narcissist in the relationship. It seems as though Nichole is a narcissist as well…so maybe Chris is just drawn to that type. I absolutely agree that NK was not investigated as she should have been and I truly hope this case is reopened for that fact alone. I had a theory that NK was actually the doer and CW knew he would be blamed anyway…and may have been threatened..or parents threatened…so he protected her…and took the fall. It is also very shady that Dwayne Kessenger was allowed to have such a big voice in that interview. He needs to be investigated also.

I have had a narcissist in the family and I recognize it

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

So u know then that SW was the narc?

@karrybosco7966

Жыл бұрын

@@jaimhaas5170 no obviously not

@BluffCreekStudio

Жыл бұрын

@@jaimhaas5170 stealing 80% of the family's income for an MLM or day care you DONT NEED? why does a stay at home mom need daycare when their mortgage is unpaid? classic narc behavior.

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

@@karrybosco7966 then you have no clue.

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

@@BluffCreekStudio the example of it go on and on with this woman. Her mother is the same way. The name change...the nut gate...the demand to drive a lexus....over and over..

Thank you for this video. I wish more people watched this with open mind

Wow... thank you for this. Society acts like objective analysis of a victim is equivalent to murdering them again. This case both fascinates and horrifies me because I, too, believe I have histrionic personality disorder that has become more manageable as I have aged. I am very happily married now, but it is my FOURTH marriage. Any of the other three marriages could have ended like the Watts marriage, and I feel blessed beyond measure that I never quite pushed any husband that far.

@JljJj-

10 ай бұрын

Being angry and shouting and cursing make people hate you .. but that does not mean you deserve to be killed!! Many people are angry and loose their temper but we try to avoid them when they are at this mood.. or if we cannot take any more we leave them for ever.. not kill them?

@JljJj-

10 ай бұрын

You deserve to be respected and understood.. not to be killed Sure you have a huge responsibility toward yourself and your mood Bless you❤❤

@leiaitri0444

9 ай бұрын

At least you admit it and are aware you're impossible to live with. 🤦🏽‍♀🤷🏽‍♀😆😆

@JljJj-

9 ай бұрын

@@leiaitri0444 If she is impossible to live with then leave? Why force yourself to live with someone you hate then kill him or her?

@leiaitri0444

8 ай бұрын

@user-pj6vr8xe5r that comment was in response to the woman who was hating on Shan'ann and admitting to being impossible to live with, as she was on her 4th marriage and was saying how glad she was none of her husbands killed her instead of leaving. Hence "at least you admit you're impossible to live with "...🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

She told different people different things

@christalake7899

8 ай бұрын

yep, she was a habitual liar whose stories would change depending on who she talked to

The Recovering Hunbot on You Tube did an amazing job explaining Shanann's involvement with Thrive. It a two part series, but it goes into 3 other episodes going into the MLM/Thrive behavior. Great job. I recommend those episode from her.

@pageribe2399

Жыл бұрын

I read that, too, and you are right, it was well worth the effort.

Jordan, I really respect you for taking a look at the traits of Shanann. Thanks for your presentation. There's a lot of people who think that a murder victim shouldn't be discussed. I think it's important to get some light on situations that are similar, and maybe they can get some help before another tragedy happens.❤.

I have seen Shannan's videos and I did not like how conceited she was behind that smile. Even worse, the way she controls her daughters was not nice at all... She was very neurotic, so that explains she had a perfect match with Chris...for a few years..m

She suffocated and abused him and their kids completely in life so he snapped. No excuse for what he did but it is what it is and both families and their friends should have stepped up. Textbook toxic co-dependent situation and ALL the people surrounding them let them down by being complacent. I hope those friends and family feel bad for this.

@marleysankor

8 ай бұрын

Oh just stop it. ✋️

@Tia-Louisa

7 ай бұрын

@@marleysankor What, stop being realistic and honest. How come you don't like the truth and reality?

@marleysankor

7 ай бұрын

@Vicksons_gone_coastal "The truth and reality" is CW didn't "snap" that Sociopath by his own admission multiple times for the legal record stated, he premeditated her death. There is no evidence at all she suffocated and abused him or their babies. Your opinion and perception are *not* FACTS. What a crock of crap. That whole thing was started years ago by CW twisted parents to help get him a 35c which never happened. Stop blaming the *victim* Chris Watts premeditated his 3 babies' deaths, too, and also carried them out. They did nothing to him except loved, adored and trusted him. Their existence, didn't fit in his plan to have a new life with another woman. CW was happy in his marriage until, he met his raunchy 2nd fiddle mistress, NK. Again, by his own admittance for the legal record. NK was the catalyst, and CW was/is the quadruble murderer. The Watts should have "stepped up" and got their only son the help he needed from a very young age when he stated, he knew he was different from EVERYONE else around him and he would also, lock himself up in their bathroom for hours at a time constantly growing up BEGGING GOD to forgive him of the *sins he committed* What sins???.. CW would never tell his own mother what they were & she was "complacent" and did *nothing* at all to find out what all Chris committed repeatedly, that he had to beg forgiveness from God. His dad was "complacent" and didn't even bother to ask him at all. He was way too busy spending the family money on co~caine and doing who knows what else. "The truth and reality" is, Shanann *didn't* cause her own murder. It's a proven scientific fact, The human brain is fully developed and formed by the age of 25. Proving, CW was already a sociopathic evil monster with a mask plastered on his face way *BEFORE* he even met Shanann. Nothing she ever did caused him to do what he did. Nothing. I stand on what I said, "Oh just stop it"

@waynewear5839

5 ай бұрын

@@Tia-Louisa these shiners usually have little if any objective info about the case. They only know St Shannon good, Chris bad

I watched 10 minutes of this and am dumber as a result. Pure, uninformed speculation with no purpose beyond blaming the victim.

@jaimhaas5170

2 ай бұрын

Two victims Bella and Cece. SW is not an angel.

@Woodman-Spare-that-tree

Ай бұрын

NOT blaming the victim for her fate. But an explanation that she must have been hell to be married to.

@user-cb6dq4lc5r

Ай бұрын

The victim deserves to be blamed.

i saw a youtube say she had no lupus at autopsy does anyone know the truth

@waynewear5839

5 ай бұрын

No lupus in autopsy is correct. It’s available online. www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/watts,%20shanann_report.pdf

@rtdnrse

3 ай бұрын

I don't know but thru the years she kept adding more diagnosis to her self, fibromyalgia others etc. I really think most were not true and she was just saying them, then saying how the Thrive products makes it all better, yeah right.

@Psamson99

2 ай бұрын

No lupus, you are correct

@CamelotQueen

Ай бұрын

I'll start by saying that I have Lupus and just seeing her videos and how she lived her life I don't believe she had it. It's true that were no traces of Lupus at atopsy but it can be difficult to detect even in death. Unless her kidneys or vital organs were affected. It's rare not to show signs at autopsy though.

Has anyone else noticed her friends Cassie and nikole both sold Thrive too but they were each about 50 lbs overweight so it must not work for everyone

After years of being perplexed by this case and going deep into the rabbit hole on it, I must admit: Between the doctored discovery, Chris’s refusal to ever say what really happened, and my own examination of what’s available to us regarding Shannan, I have come to my own conclusion that the most likely scenario is filicide, and subsequent suicide or murder, and Chris (along with the Weld county DA and others) is covering for it and will carry it to his grave. If you allow yourself the option to entertain the possibility, then so many aspects of the entire thing begin to make sense. A terrible tragedy for all.

Chris told people that they were house poor. The payments on that house were keeping them living paycheck to paycheck. He said he didn't want the big house.

We do know who killed the children. Chris did. He described it in detail.

@voluntaryismistheanswer

Жыл бұрын

Several different versions, too, isn't it funny how certain subsets of people CHOOSE to believe the most lurid, awful, & ridiculous version imaginable? He admitted he's a liar- why do you believe him?

@ann3654

Жыл бұрын

And Chris always told the truth.....

@FungusAmungus-fl8iy

Жыл бұрын

@@voluntaryismistheanswer I see this is where the mentally ill congregate and scratch each others backs...holy crap, lol

@Wanda7051

Жыл бұрын

@@voluntaryismistheanswer because its logical. Hence why that was the final word being taken. Whats the alternative? I dont plan on questioning this for the next 20 years like you people obviously want to.

@BluffCreekStudio

Жыл бұрын

@@Wanda7051 the woman who locked two girls in their rooms with no water for 14 hours would have a far less time killing them than the only parent who EVER cared for them.

You don't see the grandiosity????? You've got to be kidding me. Ray Charles could see the inflated sense of self she had.

Shanann pushed Chris away, at first, because she didn’t like the way he looked on Facebook. Notice how she quickly engulfed him when he reflected her self love back to her and was able to meet her needs. She was very quickly hyper focused on his family and elevated them to demons, when they were the most ordinary of people. My opinion on Chris’s feelings towards her, I think she spent the early relationship and marriage trying to force him to feel more towards her than he did. She was his ‘favourite person’ until she wasn’t.

@jaimhaas5170

2 ай бұрын

She was highly manipulative. She needed control OF EVERYTHING. It allowed her to bankrupt everyone around her.

I personally know for a fact she hired cleaning companies to clean her house or made Chris clean and care for the kids. Plus her extreme with babywise

@GusMac-kv7zi

Ай бұрын

The babyWise treatment is so abhorrent. Then when older locked them in blacked out rooms for 16+ hours. Put them in "school" they could not afford, all day, with their father fetching them after his work day. He was responsible for them when they were at home. They would be fed, given "yucky" a bath and locked in their bedrooms at 6-630pm with night vision camera monitors. Terrible mother but no excuse for murder.

MLM's perfect for low level grifters so you see why SW fit in them perfectly.

@iamaliveyoucantstopnow

Ай бұрын

what is MLM?

@Just-Tina

Ай бұрын

MLM has NOTHING to do with the IGNORANCE!!!…of a “person” or “people” such as Christopher Watts and what he and his Demonic s l u t side piece did!!! Nor did The Thrive product and/or anything other than HIS OWN personal demons and narcissistic behavior (that all stemmed from childhood and being “raised,” by his , “parents,” -especially his “Mama” Mrs. Cindy Watts!-thank you very much!) and this… “person” making this video😂 is a total tool, probably related to the Watts and probably has already committed things beyond Chris!! 🧐Perhaps they can share a cell together as I’m sure they would love to get to know each other closely!🥰🤪 I mean, just listen to him, then look at him and then RUN FAR, RUN FAST!!! AND THEN RUN EVEN FASTER! OMG narrator dude! -drink some water so you can stop 🤢🤮smacking, un-sticking, your lips as you try to speak and spew this nonsense! OMG QUIT GULPING YOUR SALIVA!!!!!!!! It’s making me need to throw up. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮 Get off of KZread. You should not be publicly speaking! Anywhere! Ever! This is not the place for you to practice your, “speeches“🤢especially spewing the BS you’re spewing! oh my gosh it’s like a triple vomit session!! Go do something else-you’re not good at this!! and 🤔how many monsters have you met???? Please do tell?? Cause you seem to “know” so much about them!! is it when you look in the mirror 😵 it’s obvious you do not know ANYTHING about this case or this family!! how dare you?!?!?! watch out honey, karma is a bitch!… oh you’ve met her?!?😂

I really look forward to all your commentary!! Thank you

Are the notes you have on the laptop available?

Jordan, my friend, I have watched most of your videos w/o commenting. Your analysis of this case, specifically Shannon, is what everyone needs to hear. You do a phenomenal job with this case that I've admired from afar! Thank you for sharing, dude.

@paulathornton8858

Жыл бұрын

Yeah be he is always right... Right?

@heiroot

Жыл бұрын

@@paulathornton8858 it read like a college paper, so lots of areas for improvement but I appreciate the effort.

@karrybosco7966

Жыл бұрын

hmm if you aren't perfect I guess you deserve to be murdered? yea right.

@TheSfenn

Жыл бұрын

BUT HOW CAN HE ANALYZE ANYONE WHEN HE HAS NOT TRAINING 😅?

@shirleydrake1602

11 ай бұрын

@@TheSfennif someone with the training analyzed this case , they would come to the same conclusions. This was a toxic relationship, leading to disaster for everyone concerned. I am convinced Chris jumped out of the frying pan into the fire by taking up with NK. The question is , would he have later on felt he needed to get rid of her too?

She acted more like a mean older teenage sister than a mother towards those girls. I don't understand why she wanted to have kids since they annoyed her

@deborahmaycock2184

7 ай бұрын

What an awful thing to say !!And Chris was a brilliant father he had to break there f......bones to get them into that oil hatch there skin was hanging off when they were found .Bella begged and said no daddy before he took the life out of her -WTF .

@flowerjpotter1629

7 ай бұрын

​@@deborahmaycock2184 This a very sad case, but what broken bones ? Any case where a body is left in liquid can cause a skin slippage. It's not an unusual feature at all. It's just another fact from the morgue that in many cases that the general population doesn't often get to hear about. But what is unusual was their marriage, and the way this case was treated by law enforcement and the DA.

@sandrabreedlove3661

3 ай бұрын

This girl hated kid's

@hanaabadi8452

2 ай бұрын

Estabas tu ahí para afirmarlo? Hahaha niña loca ​@@deborahmaycock2184

@toomuchmom

2 ай бұрын

The pregnancy and births brought her more attention….and helped further the myth that her life was wonderful.

Chris admitted he killed his daughters...Stop spreading lies about not knowing who killed them.

@MyrtleBeachWebAngel

Жыл бұрын

He never said that... 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Garmanarnar2000

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this guy is a dope. He probably has a copy of Cindy Watts’s book.

@waynewear5839

5 ай бұрын

Shannon also “admitted” to having lupus, fibromyalgia and any other difficult to diagnose or confirm illness. Admitted the same for her kids, projected a certain lifestyle and image which was a complete sham, used any and every situation to hawk thrive as a “cure” for the various assortment of maladies from which she complained. Dr shopped, embezzled money, continuously used the children as a wedge between herself and in-laws, isolated Chris from his family, removed any and every evidence of any of his likes and hobbies…. Shall I go on? I believe Chris as much as I believe Shannon.

@toomuchmom

2 ай бұрын

He said what he said for a reason. I think he was covering for Nichole….and may have even had his family threatened….so he took the fall because he knew his life would be over anyway.

@user-cb6dq4lc5r

Ай бұрын

There was no investigation to verify his confession.

Mortgage 3 or more months behind, HOS dues one year behind,( had been mailed to wrong address) Thrive not bringing in the money ..yet constant travel for the MLM...big pressures on the marriage

Please don t forget what leonard king had to say about her

SW was a narc and 100% had MBP

Oohhh he was abused by Shan'ann and so were the children and Cindy was abused by Shan'ann and Chris.

@cbesthelper404

Жыл бұрын

That about sums it up.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing to point out that this entire family was sick, including Nicole Kessinger

Have you assessed Chris? Also how experienced and trained are you?

@pureflix8086

2 ай бұрын

Hes a layperson, as stated in his "about" page. With no experience (that I know of) Which makes this video less than useless.

What happened it’s terrible and sad. It no matter what she did or not. That was a very horrible relationship and he should of had left her, but who knows what was in both of their minds:

@rahla53

9 ай бұрын

He felt trapped, and all of a sudden with the new affair, he wanted to be free, :>(

@JolynnRansom-zb3ow

8 ай бұрын

Nidialeon, humor me! Why should he have been the one to leave? He had a job He earned money He owned the home. The Lexus was in his name and therefore his. She did nothing but make insipid videos all day long sitting on her immobile derriere. She's not the one who took care of the littles. I believe she could've done that from a little efficiency apartment. Why should he have left HIS home? Very eager for your input on this! 💜

@deb3670

7 ай бұрын

​@@JolynnRansom-zb3ow Hey girl ! It's Debbie from groups. I just stumbled on you while reading here.

When I first started watching KZread in April 2019 the Chris Watts case was the very first thing I watched. This is because I started on a site called Documentary Heaven where I picked True Crime as the genre I wanted to watch and the Documentary called "Missing" was what I watched, which was the Chris Watts case. I then spent 2 full years following the case and NOTHING else on KZread for that time. I know the case inside out. I have always wanted to know more about Shan'ann and there really hasn't been much out there apart from her own home videos she posted on Facebook. I really enjoy fresh information on the case. Thank you!

@shirleydrake1602

Жыл бұрын

I have also waited for people to come forth to offer insight into Shanann, both from her previous life as well as her life with Chris, I had been impossible to gather information on her because anyone posting anything is quickly accused of victim bashing. I feel to understand this case the investigation has to start years before the event, probably as far back as early childhood. It might even be necessary to look at the parents. Since the crime of family slayer is still fairly new, the profile is still in its infancy. The profiler needs all the help available to them. This category of killer needs guidelines in order to recognize him/her BEFORE the crime occurs. I’m

@pipermccool

Жыл бұрын

@@shirleydrake1602 Agree, or people pile on with florid But that didn’t give Chris the right to - ! like-baiting comments.

@duraniegal79

11 ай бұрын

​@@pipermccoolOMG, YES!! People seem to push the narrative that Shannon was a saint!🙄 She wasn't. If they'd open their damn eyes when watching her videos, they'd see it. Her poor kids were hardly ever in a good mood, but she insisted on filming them. And you can see how she would berate her p.o.s. husband. She was a real piece of work!! I know I'd never be friends with someone like that. I just wouldn't be able to deal with her. The thing is, people are quick to come at you if you mention any of that. Like "so she caused her own death?!?" They say. NO ONE SAID THAT! But she didn't help herself by her actions. But whatever. 😐

@pipermccool

11 ай бұрын

@@duraniegal79 Good to know I’m not alone in my objectivity! As if changing your name to “Shan’ann” isn’t narcissistic. If you haven’t, you might want to check out “Did Shannan Watts have Munchausen by Proxy?”

To everyone out there, this is what a critical thinking brain looks like. Good job 👏

@waynewear5839

5 ай бұрын

Agreed

That 500k cash in a suitcase in nc to build her house is dodgy. She worked at dirty South Selly car parts on commission and before that sold mobile phones so I don't think she could earn 500k a year as her family stated i have a friend who is a dr and doesn't earn that a year . She wasn't a nurse either she worked for children's hospital answering the phones and it was from home and just went in every other week. She used a disability badge which makes me angry because she was not disabled. She enrolled in nursing school got the grant then left shortly after . Her whole life was a lie so sad . She woke up every morning and lied from that moment selling crap and fake lifestyle to people who wanted the dream but knowing it was never going to happen but sw did. I could write a book about MLMs. The only people who make it are those who were there to start it . They don't care about the products they just care about the sales . People have this idea that because sw said she was 80k was earning that but in fact thats how much her team made for le.vel and they got a percentage which is pathetic. The lexus isn't free either. Le.vel pay 800 a month towards the car but if you don't reach your rank the next month you lose the 800 and have to pay the lease garage all of the amount. Also when you get paid it doesn't include taxes . The lifestyle getaways are not all free . The hotel and food yes . Flights are not . They sell merchandise for you to buy and you buy them to look like you can afford them. Business trips for le.vel are not paid for they are classed as part of the job . Thats why cw didn't go on all of them because they couldn't afford to both go . Sw went on 2 le.vel business trips a month.

@lesliekupchanko5001

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to write all the deceptions down. That took time and energy and was clear.... I really hope other people seeing SW at her face-tume face value reads this. Appearances can be deception. Shining Light followers need to take off their Rose-colored glasses. Sadly This is not the days to walk around with blinders

@lesliekupchanko5001

Жыл бұрын

Also I agree with the dodgy money in briefcase.... Where did that come from? If it wasn't stolen, who else does she owe? Maybe it was a settlement from her first divorce. Note: I'm not being unbiased or victim blaming (as they say) I'm making my opinion with a dead-pan attitude. We can learn lessons from her and him..... It's all very sad.

@linseyanne5975

Жыл бұрын

There was no 500K in a suitcase. It was 25K.

@Tinkerbell403

Жыл бұрын

She could have NEVER sat for Nursing state boards tho. So iMO the nursing school might have been a scheme of hers. Because of her 25 plus felony convictions she would have never become a licensed nurse. I have all the case numbers so this IS true info. They are all from NC. Furthermore, there is evidence she didn’t graduate from HS with her class. Which I also have

@rachelsykessykes2590

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree i don't know how to get that information or i would of . I know she was accused of embezzlement. She lied about everything and lied every day to sell thrive crap and fake dream which I believe she no longer could do because the big house was going and she couldn't sell a dream from her parents house or a apartment people would say wheres your house and dream lifestyle. She also had no downline anymore and a handful of friends. She was now one of the 99% who fail .

Why having another child when they could not afford it she couldn't t even manage 2 christ was doing everything enough is enough she is with a girlfriend having dinner and she is upset christ going to restaurant with whoever it is YES SHE WAS EXTREMELY BOSSY

IMO NA was SW carer. That is why NA could get information about SW from the Dr's. Yes I believe SW was seriously mental ill and needed a carer.

@trailer_trash_Barbie

Жыл бұрын

Yes my husband is paranoid schizophrenic and I'm deemed his caregiver and can call and get any info about him at doc's. She def had some mental issues and I think people where scared of her for some reason no one ever went against her.

@happybunny8704

Жыл бұрын

But NA didn’t get information from the doctor she simply asked the receptionist if she (SW) had attended her appointment. That’s if you believe the timings of that which NA made during her interview with LE… something not quite right there. NA was introduced to Shanann via Shananns mum ….it was her that NA was friends with not Shanann …..the connection between SW and NA was Thrive.

@carolinekelsall9080

Жыл бұрын

@@happybunny8704 Yes I know NA was friends with SW mum. IMO NA was payed by SR to keep an eye on SW.

@happybunny8704

Жыл бұрын

@@carolinekelsall9080 I’ve heard that theory but I don’t believe it. What was Nicole supposed to do for her in regards of care ? Shananns life was well documented on Facebook her mother and father were looking in they didn’t need anyone to tell them there were issues with their daughter they would have been able to see it as we all have.,. I just don’t understand why they didn’t step in….

@carolinekelsall9080

Жыл бұрын

@@happybunny8704 People with mental illness can snap at any time. If SW became ill NA could get the Dr to her pretty fast.

I really enjoyed your analysis. There was though an instance of physical abuse by Shannon towards Chris. Early in the relationship she didn’t get her way she put hands on him pushed & shoved him out the front door, locked him out & made him stay outside all night in the cold without a coat. Shannon said he learned after that.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

You have a source for that?

@Gabi-dn9wg

Жыл бұрын

He told it in his recorded interviews in Colorado.

@Orangecat693

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanhenshaw Chris said it in his interview with the police

@shirleydrake1602

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he said in his letters for the book, if he had left after their conversation, she would have changed the locks . He wouldn’t have been able to get back in the house. He mentioned the time she put him out overnight. He was a true believer of SHANANN’s power. Of course , the situation was different then it was in NC. In CO Chris owned the house. He could have legally made her let him in or get out of the house. In NC she owned the house , he was a visitor.

@ApplePie..

Жыл бұрын

This astrologer breaks down their relationship between the two of them in a compatibility chart I think it's really accurate. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmGgksltgKvKdaw.html

Great analysis. I can’t wait to dive into your other videos!

She seemed very depressed to me

44:56 - That's actually a common misconception on my part. Diabetes is basically an HVAC thermostat that doesn't work. You turn it on heat and it stays on heat until you realize it's 90 degrees inside, so you turn it onto cool. Then a few hours later, you realize it's 55 degrees inside so you flip it back to heat. The medication lowers blood sugar, sugary foods/carbs raise blood sugar. Diabetes means you have to manually control the levels with those tools. You can't set it to auto-regulate. So I guess technically, what I said in the video is correct, but the idea behind it was false. Because most people think that diabetes means your blood sugar levels are too low without medication. It's actually usually the opposite. Needing extra sugar is usually a result of overmedicating. Diabetes untreated = super high blood sugar all the time. Insulin absorbs sugar in the blood stream. That's all probably an oversimplification but it's a lot closer.

Am I the only who watched the cops feed Chris the story that Shanann hurt the kids, so he hurt her. He took the ridiculous story and ran with it. Can’t believe anyone thinks he didn’t murder the girls and shove them into oil tanks.

@Shacktown110

Жыл бұрын

Who thinks he didn't do it?

@jennifer60515

Жыл бұрын

@@Shacktown110 A lot of females on here that seem to be in his fan club. If my wife killed my daughters, how could I find the strength to disrespect them in death and drop them in oil tanks? I don’t know a loving parent who could do this. But the fan club said he was an amazing father.

@promnightdumpsterbaby9553

Жыл бұрын

Do you have any evidence,aside from one of his many different versions of the story? Cus there isn't any. Was he involved?Yup. Did he do everything? My educated guess after thousands of hours of pouring through everything available says probably not.

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

@@Shacktown110 after thousands of hours looking at the stuff SW posted I'd say there is a very high chance she was a MbP mom and the number one way they kill their childrend is by smothering.

@andreathompson4751

Жыл бұрын

He did it .

Idk… all I know is that she treated her husband like shit… you could see it on camera .. every time he said something she would ignore him or make some sort of cut down remark. Chris was wrong for killing her and the kids but I truly believe he snapped .

My opinion is that CW wasn’t very experienced with the opposite sex. When he got together with SW, he was punching well above his waist. “Look at me. I’m capable of bagging a looker”. She liked him because when she wanted him to jump, his response was “how high”. I’m sure his earning capabilities were a major attraction for SW too. He was tied to his life through debt and fear of the unknown. SW stepped up her controlling behaviour of CW when he started to lose weight. She couldn’t control other women showing him interest. Most married men stray because they want something that they aren’t getting at home. Tenderness and real affection. He was comfortable lying to SW and NK because let’s face it, his home life was a living lie. False, awkward smiles for Facebook. Forced family activities. Everything they did together felt unnatural. As for SW and her supposed health issues. I have no time for sympathy seekers. I haven’t been able to hug my Lupus suffering friend for nearly 3 years due to Covid. Hearing SW spew her lies about the condition really boils my piss.

@HopefulInterventions

Жыл бұрын

We know for sure that he murdered his children. The idea of Shanann murdering the kids was implanted in his mind by the CBI agent Tammy to get him to confess something! Chris at the time immediately denied Shanann did anything until the very end when he knew he was caught. You should know better than this. Additionally, he confessed to the murders even about Bella asking him “are you going to do the same thing to me you did to Cece”. The law enforcement, DA, etc., investigated this on top of Chris’s full second confession in prison March 2019. Yet Chris committed the ultimate abuse by methodically murdering his children and pregnant wife than dumped his own kids in oil tanks like pieces of trash devaluing their lives! Why did he murder the kids? Let’s forget Shanann for a second! It’s not like he just murdered his “narcissistic” wife because he snapped! He brutally murdered his children and all this after several months of having an affair! He even stated this in the second prison interview that if he had never met NK his family would still be alive! What’s wrong with you people?

@leeannefeatherstone9961

Жыл бұрын

I don't think she was as sick as she made out to be. Definitely a hypochondriac.

@linseyanne5975

Жыл бұрын

Earning capacity? She could have done much better if that was what she wanted.

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

Spot on. She was an attn. whore and spending like a drunken sailor. She had no respect for anyone but herself.

@Orangecat693

Жыл бұрын

@@linseyanne5975 Why didn't she land someone with a better earning capacity then?..He was making 20K more at the dealership than at the oil company. She told him to quit the higher paying job..She divorced her husband who was an attorney..You think landing a man with a stable steady job and good medical insurance is easy?... Actually, she could have attained a steady stable job herself, but she did not want to work

Shannon told friend she can't raise 3 kids and be single

@CockNozzleJones

9 ай бұрын

So you believe she killed the kids, then killed herself. Drove her dead self out to the oil tanks and, while dead, she dumped her kids in the boiling water inside those tanks, then (again, while dead) dug herself a shallow grave and got in it and Chris Watts is an innocent little angel. Have you ever considered laying off the trailer park meth for awhile?

@christalake7899

8 ай бұрын

She needed his money and all he did for the girls. He was the only one who really parented them. She just used them for her ''commercials'' and then put them away like toys only she used drugs

@lillianleigh7316

8 ай бұрын

She said she couldn't raise three children being single living in Colorado due to the high cost of living there.

@user-ed2od6lz7x

4 ай бұрын

No she said “I can’t do this alone” meaning it would be hard.

@sandrabreedlove3661

3 ай бұрын

Shannon couldn't raise kids period that girl didn't need one kid

I really wish Chris had manned up. It's like he could never say No! Especially with the money. Chris was too old to still b bumbling around not knowing what to do. He was sooo weak. If ur unhappy, speak up man! If ur financial situation is a mess, speak up man! U could put any of us, men and women, under a microscope and it would come up borderline dysfunctional. We're all a little nuts.

Where have you been, mr. jordan? Hope this finds you and yours happy and well! Hope to hear more from you soon

You are absolutely the best on Internet to explain this crime! It make sense what you are saying, nothing else does!

@GenX7119

Жыл бұрын

umm someone did the same evaluation over a yr ago!

@MargaritaMagdalena

Жыл бұрын

@@GenX7119 Who?

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

Жыл бұрын

It did not make sense to me, until I found NEEKS PEEKS. Then I got a bit of understanding about CW, and his BS.

@MeekandMe

Жыл бұрын

Lol except for not taking all the evidence and CONFESSION into account! This whole video is fucking embarrassing as shit

@Veruca_NaCl

Жыл бұрын

@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern NEEKS PEEKS does a fantastic job combing through the vast mountains of video footage in a way that sheds light on all of the glaring red flags that were hiding in plain sight all along.

Thank you. Some honest intelligent commentary

Have you done research on this case ? Because these a lot that you’ve left out. If you followed it you’d know that the girls weren’t killed in the house.. only SW was. Both or at least 1 of the girls was still alive that morning. It took for the detective’s to rewatch the cctv video & see that atleast one was seen that morning walking up to him and him bend down to pick her up & put her in his truck. Chris later admitted to this when they had a second interview in jail. He later said that’s why he panicked in the body cam footage at the neighbor Nate’s house. He admitted to taking both the girls to the oil site and suffocating them before putting them in the oil rigs. And even his later admissions could be false. The only thing that I consider fact is what was proven with cctv. For you to think SW, a pregnant mother would kill her daughter’s before Chris is bizarre. He had more of an incentive to kill them than she did. There was even a second person seen on the cctv but that was never confirmed by police. I say this because I do believe he had help, but not by SW. To think that you’d clinically diagnose her & not a man who’s decision was to annihilate his entire family to be with another women is concerning. I don’t want to come off rude when I say this, but I think you should diagnose yourself Before others. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion / beliefs but if your studying phycology and diagnosing ppl I don’t think it’s responsible to give a diagnosis on people let alone victims. I am not saying to exclude victims because they’re victims. I’m saying before you diagnose someone be damn sure your not wrong.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

First, the CCTV shows a super tiny, grainy shadow, not a girl. It definitely appears to be what you say, but it’s very easy to be fooled by shitty, pixelated, tiny footage. I mean the shadow is like 60 pixels big. It’s very possible it’s just a trick of the light. I’ve listened to both the interrogation confession and the prison confession all the way through with no interruptions at least 6 different times each. I’ve determined that Chris shows strong signs of deception when he contradicts the first confession during the prison confession. In the first confession during the interrogation, he only shows signs of authenticity.

@voluntaryismistheanswer

Жыл бұрын

You don't have a clue where they were killed, there's no forensic evidence.

@voluntaryismistheanswer

Жыл бұрын

Also your fantasies regarding that footage should be dismissed.

@mandyedwards6729

11 ай бұрын

We live in a sad sad world when a husband can murder his wife, his 3 and 5 year olds but its the wife who is 'analysed'. Chris had a choice. He could have left and lived with his mistress. Instead he chose to strangle his wife, parade her dead body infront of his two babies (in the car ) and then suffocate his 3 year old daughter infront of his 5 yr old so she would knew Daddy was going to kill her too....Yet Shannon is the one who is" analysed" (judged and criticised)? Seriously ? Sad sad world. I have one belief ( taught by my Nana). Treat others as you want to be treated. Would you be happy for your family to read about your percieved personality faults if you and your children were murdered by your partner? Unbelievably cruel.

Where have you been? Your insights have been greatly needed in the discussion of this case. Much over due! Thank you so much. I have enjoyed your videos tremendously. Low on emotion, high on facts.

@donnathelen6492

Жыл бұрын

Fart

@karrybosco7966

Жыл бұрын

lmao yeah don't judge Chris, the one who killed his wife and babies, just the wife who wasn't perfect.

@Tia-Louisa

8 ай бұрын

@@karrybosco7966 I'd call you an irrational Karen but I don't want to insult all the Karen's out there.

@karrybosco7966

8 ай бұрын

@@Tia-Louisa you're the idiot. the woman is pregnant and murdered by her husband and he also killed the children and you're focusing on Shanann???

@waynewear5839

5 ай бұрын

@@Tia-Louisa Another triggered Shiner will do. Most of them know very little objectively about the case, but can be activated by anything that doesnt jibe with “St Shannon”