Shadow of Vecna (Part 1 of 2) | Legends of the Multiverse | Ep. 7 | D&D Spelljammer

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Travis McElroy
Deejay Knight
Meagan Kenreck
Gina Darling
Todd Kenreck
Showrunner: Todd Kenreck
Song: Jason Charles Miller
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  • @bookwormwithwings
    @bookwormwithwings2 жыл бұрын

    This is one of those campaigns where its great that there's a plot and all, but I am so enthralled with everyone's characters I would happily watch them go grocery shopping. Admittedly a shopping trip with this crew would at least end in larceny and disturbing the peace.

  • @IceMetalPunk

    @IceMetalPunk

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bac Si would find a dead rat in the produce section and play with it, then try to grab a lock of a customer's hair. As everyone's distracted by the customer yelling at her, Riddle would pocket some stuff from the shelf. The whole time, Sunny would be strutting down every aisle imagining she's on a fashion runway, and Torven would have his hand on his gun, watching and waiting to shoot someone if they threaten to hurt Bac Si or Riddle. Meanwhile, Kaiho would just be waiting in the car, watching everything unfold on his scrying crystal ball, and sighing deeply with exasperation.

  • @FlutesLoot
    @FlutesLoot2 жыл бұрын

    Bac Si's roleplaying looking up at everyone is excellent.

  • @ourabouras

    @ourabouras

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can’t believe this is only Gina Darling’s second campaign, she’s so good. Also that she wares bandaids like Bac Si in each episode😁

  • @jonathonrosenthal4771
    @jonathonrosenthal47712 жыл бұрын

    If you watch BDave's face during the Pirate Prom conversation you can almost see him holding back the dread of having his adventure derailed ;)

  • @demetrinight5924
    @demetrinight59242 жыл бұрын

    The "Risk you" mission is my new favorite pun.

  • @user-py3kp9yl8l
    @user-py3kp9yl8l2 жыл бұрын

    Come for dnd stay for clown murderer conversation.

  • @Gamehen9
    @Gamehen92 жыл бұрын

    Listening to the opening preview I was like, “They’re in Flakovnia?!!?” 😆

  • @fightingfalcon777
    @fightingfalcon7772 жыл бұрын

    “Hey, guys, how are you!? Victory, Hugo, how’s it going?” I appreciate that reference lol

  • @scottsmartky
    @scottsmartky2 жыл бұрын

    Okay, that new intro is great. Vampirates! That clown murder conversation, perfect. I'm still holding out hope for that epic pirate prom. Also, if we're having this 80's theme like the intro, is Sunny related to Ookla from Thundarr the Barbarian? And every new character keeps being wonderful. Oh, and where is G4 available with the reboot of the channel? Can't wait for the 90-minute fight next episode.

  • @Oduunich

    @Oduunich

    2 жыл бұрын

    G4 has gone with mulitple channels on YT & a Twitch as well as being on Comcast. G4TV, Attack of the Show, & XPlay are some of the channels. Invitation to Party was B. Dave's D&D show on G4 which was Gina's first campaign, but might not have it's own channel. ItP is currently on break between seasons.

  • @brokenlightning
    @brokenlightning Жыл бұрын

    I Like how Riddle from Ravenloft picked up on the vampire vibe immediately.

  • @annebolynzarsilve
    @annebolynzarsilve Жыл бұрын

    as a black dice society fan,B Dave Walters saying "it would have been beautiful once" brings on IMMEDIATE dread. Was not disappointed here!

  • @baynemacgregor8441
    @baynemacgregor84412 жыл бұрын

    That rescue mission pun is magnificent! ❤️

  • @jonathonrosenthal4771
    @jonathonrosenthal47712 жыл бұрын

    God damn I am loving me these 1980s throw back intros :)

  • @KnicKnac
    @KnicKnac2 жыл бұрын

    Just loving the intro. Great players. B. Dave's voice for the giant reminded me of a certain episode of BDS. Heck yeah DJ!!

  • @shoulung6203
    @shoulung6203 Жыл бұрын

    Really enjoying the DM here; slightly envious of his ability to switch between different characters so fast and effectively.

  • @MrSamTealeaf
    @MrSamTealeaf2 жыл бұрын

    Is it just me who finds it really weird with DJ not saying: "Oh hi, my name is Deejay Knight, I'll be playing Desmond; a human, ranger, LYCANTHROPE

  • @sophiemoconnell

    @sophiemoconnell

    2 жыл бұрын

    You spoke my words, you read my mind and heart ❤️ 😂

  • @KnicKnac

    @KnicKnac

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah it was odd

  • @Kantohammer
    @Kantohammer2 жыл бұрын

    I get knocked prone, but I get up again At the cost of half my movement I get knocked prone…

  • @TheThorement
    @TheThorement2 жыл бұрын

    damn, the theme song is such a banger! i love this series

  • @spacetearable
    @spacetearable Жыл бұрын

    The entire Chawinga interaction was THE BEST. Addendum: I take it back. Habsil, the horrifyingly-stereotypical German space-Frost Giant, is THE BEST. Post-Addendum: VAMPIRATES!?!...and also, B.Dave's horrifyingly-stereotypical (AGAIN!) 'Transylvanian' accent!!

  • @Markcrazeer

    @Markcrazeer

    Жыл бұрын

    Exagerated and sterotypical accents are always better especially if you dont want to be a serious drama. They are easily recognisable shorthand and a lot easier to learn (maybe ymmw) than a subtler but more accurate (and less offensive) acent. The characters behaviour and cultural expression is what you need to look out for and be carefull with.

  • @CJWproductions
    @CJWproductions Жыл бұрын

    "What's the point of life?" "...Livin'."

  • @danielmcpherson3891
    @danielmcpherson38912 жыл бұрын

    It has been confirmed that the adventure in the Spelljammer 5e set is a level 5 to 8 campaign. The players in this show started off at 5th level on the Rock of Brol ( which will be a map included in the pack). Vecna has been teased a lot lately by wizards lately- and now Vecna is in the title of the Video. This has lead me to the conclusion the Vecna will be in Spelljammer

  • @tstymctst
    @tstymctst Жыл бұрын

    Really having a good time with this series. Bac Si is an absolute delight every time. The murderous clown convo gave me such a flashback to college, when I was in a play with a girl who had a line about *orange* crates (crates for/of oranges), but she kept saying it as orange *crates* (crates that are orange colored) and it drove me nuts every time 😂🍊

  • @tuhotorvinen42
    @tuhotorvinen42 Жыл бұрын

    Mah gawd!!! How much can I love this giant!?!?😁

  • @AleksandrStrizhevskiy
    @AleksandrStrizhevskiy2 жыл бұрын

    They really put funding into that intro, it was amazing!

  • @madseb7746
    @madseb77462 жыл бұрын

    Torven with the LOST BOYS reference 😏🙌🏾🖖🏾🤘🏾💪🏾

  • @shaneburke7274
    @shaneburke7274 Жыл бұрын

    hahahaha the murderous clowns bit had me cracking up!!! hahahaha literally laughing out loud

  • @LiquidFranz
    @LiquidFranz2 жыл бұрын

    Preliminary timestamps 0:05 coming up, 0:17 musical opening, 1:17 previously.. 2:23 hello, 2:56 intros, 2:58 Todd is 1st, 3:17 Deborah Ann Swoll! 3:58 too nice, 4:07 1st campaign ever, 4:24 not the best, 4:32 2nd campaign, 4:56 amateur blacksmith, 5:22 invited to the cookout, 5:43 the other battlemaster, 6:30 when last we met... 7:00 strange map, 7:30 some time has past, 7:50 stellar outpost, 8:20 Sunny & Bac Si, 8:39 it’s a musical, 8:52 Sunny’s Kaiho concerns, 10:02 Bac Si’s promise to Sunny, 10:22 pirate prom, 10:57 stolen fur, 11:28 a bite, 11:57 Sunny helps, 12:13 21, 12:32 goldfish & rider, 13:06 Dumb looking thing? 13:33 introductions, 14:01 bubble of air, 14:26 insight, 14:40 unhooking, 14:59 thumbs up, 15:25 puff of gas, 15:48 Sunny intervenes, 16:19 Bac Si examines, 16:50 role reversal, 17:11 chwinga, Sunny paid attention in school, 17:52 Chumba wumba, 18:12 glowing sphere, 18:36 bunny head, 19:10 instructions, 20:00 present for Sunny, 20:38 lock pick, 21:23 explains the rules, 21:48 just like a bag, 22:17 farewells, 22:59 flowers, 23:26 Bac Si learns detachment, 24:11 into space, 25:06 intercom, 25:30 storing the pearl, 25:50 meanwhile.. 26:06 trends, 26:38 astral space rules, 26:57 Riddle is strange, 27:25 explaining the job, 27:45 the Mercane, 28:00 excellent delivery people, 28:10 most live, 28:23 Sunny is the most special, 28:43 Myril description, 29:19 Ignar description, 30:12 monkey colored, 30:34 Sunny clocks Myril, 30:47 Hapsel, 31:18 Hullo! 32:13 be right back, 32:32 Bac Si is a tiny Great Dane, 32:51 Riddle & Bac Si conspire, 33:14 this many things, 33:49 Kaiho’s warning, 34:23 nat1 insight check, 35:10 the job, 35:36 read the thing, 36:22 introductions, 36:52 a rhyme, 37:20 soliciting Sunny, 37:57 approaching Myril, 38:39 a downer, 38:53 a performer, 39:39 permission to disembark, 39:54 Riddle rolls up, 40:17 making an offer, 40:33 handshake, 40:49 thieves cant, 41:16 Itchy ears, 41:39 left eye dear, 42:12 time to go, 42:26 so close, 42:31 doorway of light, 42:44 welcome aboard, 43:26 cushion or beverage? 43:56 not admitting it, 44:33 Astral sea, everything will be fine, 45:16 a living ship, 46:05 under supplied, 46:26 lived on & at, 46:40 Bac Si collecting samples, 47:02 Sunny keeps watch, 47:38 Ignar joins Sunny, 47:59 making acquaintance, 48:21 beauty is fleeting, 48:36 speeding up, 49:00 something different, 49:16 reality trails off, 49:46 the astral sea, 50:22 the feeling of freedom, 51:02 parental compass, 51:22 Sunny’s light dims, 52:00 Ignar’s question, 52:32 just the way you are, 52:49 an aerialist, 53:18 a bit of a show, 53:45 Time in the astral sea, 54:40 Myril & Torven, 54:55 Five minutes? 55:40 only killed one person, 55:50 social anxiety, 55:57 clowns, 56:08 talking about clowns? 56:31 upsetting clowns, 56:56 clown murder nomenclature, 58:00 how much fish? 58:07 please continue, 58:17 the answer is yes, 58:35 speaking of murders, 58:47 age & time, 59:27 simple questions, 59:57 favorite color, 1:00:05 Bac Si & Myril’s pockets, 1:00:24 a kender, 1:00:47 an impertinent question, 1:01:22 a career in aerialism, 1:01:38 sibling tricks, 1:01:57 monkeyback ride, 1:02:46 dueling pick pockets, 1:03:30 hands in each other’s pockets, 1:04:07 mutually caught, 1:04:35 assemblage of odds & ends, 1:05:07 Ignar’s items, 1:05:25 trade? 1:05:52 on 3, 1:06:24 Ignar’s coin purse, 1:06:36 suspect list, 1:06:47 ear tugs, 1:07:07 Sunny apologizes, 1:07:39 Bac Si & Ignar talk shop, 1:08:32 the ship shudders, 1:08:46 group of asteroids, 1:09:05 establishing party order, 1:09:30 Torven’s on point, 1:09:54 high risk? 1:10:22 if anything were to happen... 1:11:03 if you say so, 1:11:16 starboard, 1:11:39 Bac Si hears a sound, 1:12:14 permission to come aboard, 1:12:27 ugly people, 1:12:34 obviously from ravenloft, 1:12:51 pick me up, we appreciate your interest, 1:13:14 Torven called out, 1:13:54 a starmoth, 1:14:28 the Zimblanity, 1:14:52 two figures, 1:15:29 captian aegis & gorgo, 1:15:42 what a twist! 1:15:46 how’s it going? 1:16:05 Myril acknowledges the client, 1:16:46 totally fine, 1:17:05 vampirates, 1:17:37 Gorgo comes aboard, 1:18:01 Torven’s ex, 1:18:43 a real downer, 1:18:57 severed hand, 1:19:38 the scroll, 1:19:56 Myril establishes etiquette, 1:20:11 a warning, 1:20:40 not today, 1:20:50 Gorgo recognizes Bac Si, 1:21:25 eyes of the grave, 1:21:46 onboard their ship, 1:22:05 Bac Si fills in Sunny, 1:22:35 Sunny growls, 1:23:02 Sunny has a fang off, 1:23:37 Torven says hi, 1:24:01 milord, 1:24:34 Torven was a mutineer, 1:24:47 Myril establishes boundaries, 1:25:09 Myril has a way with the ladies, 1:25:31 opening the scroll, 1:25:50 hullo! 1:26:37 Ignar makes introductions, 1:27:25 Riddle never left the rock of Bral, 1:27:46 Ignar is known, 1:28:15 greatest of his name, 1:28:40 recognizes a kender, 1:29:20 Bac Si is home, 1:30:27 a rescue mission, 1:31:12 a hadozee vessel, 1:31:44 what happened, 1:32:24 “risk-you mission” 1:32:55 everything about you, 1:33:20 humanoids sound the same, 1:33:58 not with respect, 1:34:13 not touching you, 1:34:36 renounced claim, 1:35:00 Ignar get your hand away, 1:35:10 Bac Si goes for the hand, 1:35:40 Bac Si crawls off, 1:35:59 second hand, 1:36:17 leaving the lads behind, 1:36:35 Torven’s motivational speech, 1:37:19 just between us, 1:37:52 handy friend, Bac Si fills Sonny in, 1:39:27 between the asteroids, 1:39:38 Hadozee ship, 1:39:55 probably on Kaiho, 1:40:38 next time,

  • @joboyogi
    @joboyogi2 жыл бұрын

    There should be Ginny Di reaction faces to all of the action.

  • @Peter_Cordes
    @Peter_Cordes Жыл бұрын

    1:12:30 - Great RP of Riddle's origins in Ravenloft, guessing vampires based on asking for an invitation.

  • @ianhi9572
    @ianhi9572 Жыл бұрын

    Risk you mission lolololol

  • @IceMetalPunk
    @IceMetalPunk2 жыл бұрын

    Welp, just got to the Murderous Clown Clown Murderer conversation, and I had to pause to regain my composure 😂 The whole Bac Si / Ignar dueling pickpockets fiasco has major Fearne / Ashton vibes #ForCrittersWhoKnow .

  • @hkarsch
    @hkarsch2 жыл бұрын

    I constantly alternate between adoration and terror of Bác Sĩ.

  • @Faladrin
    @Faladrin Жыл бұрын

    They should make peace with these guys by offering to throw a Vampirate Prom.

  • @rarrmonkey
    @rarrmonkey2 жыл бұрын

    Clowns or Clowns who do murder. That is a distinction without a difference.

  • @0Jarys0
    @0Jarys0 Жыл бұрын

    Todd's Lost Boys reference for the win!

  • @kmoustakas
    @kmoustakas Жыл бұрын

    Best thieves' cant EVER

  • @timothylawrence2789
    @timothylawrence27892 жыл бұрын

    i love this show so much

  • @bigollameo
    @bigollameo2 жыл бұрын

    Kinda loving this series.

  • @EurekaBe
    @EurekaBe2 жыл бұрын

    1:03:00 pick pocket 69... kids, that's how thieves flirt

  • @himeno19
    @himeno192 жыл бұрын

    Lmao i thought that was preach xD

  • @Shadowace724
    @Shadowace7242 жыл бұрын

    Loving this soo much

  • @williamragsdale8611
    @williamragsdale86112 жыл бұрын

    Is the Vecna redesign coming out in Spelljammer???!!!

  • @noahdavid9867

    @noahdavid9867

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was wondering the same thing! Plus the new design almost has a sci fi feel to it

  • @DMbyChoice

    @DMbyChoice

    2 жыл бұрын

    They've been promoting Vecna real hard lately. He's gotta be coming in something soon.

  • @IceMetalPunk

    @IceMetalPunk

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DMbyChoice I thought it was just to piggyback on Stranger Things referencing him.

  • @Danilobcz

    @Danilobcz

    Жыл бұрын

    If it does it's gonna be a TPK.

  • @wolvesleather
    @wolvesleather2 жыл бұрын

    What happened that combined Tatiana, Hilde, and Hermos the half-giant into one person?

  • @JaiIgnacio
    @JaiIgnacio Жыл бұрын

    Bac Si gives such mega Elmyra Duff energy from

  • @travislayes6024
    @travislayes6024 Жыл бұрын

    I fart in your general direction!

  • @VixenIcaza
    @VixenIcaza2 жыл бұрын

    Just listening to the introduction. 2nd campaign!! Gina! Bac Sı is unarguably the Best character on stream.

  • @rollersoffatednd5280
    @rollersoffatednd52802 жыл бұрын

    Vecna !!! oh yeah

  • @michaelburtyk6080
    @michaelburtyk60802 жыл бұрын

    Starboard is the right side of the ship and one looks towards the bow; Port is the left side...an excellent way to remember it is: port and left are both 4 letter words.

  • @animalchandler

    @animalchandler

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was told to remember "There's no port LEFT in the bottle."

  • @SvenTSexgore
    @SvenTSexgore Жыл бұрын

    The return of pirate prom!

  • @PumpkinJack88
    @PumpkinJack88 Жыл бұрын

    ... This makes me think of Firefly.

  • @charliemurphy6457
    @charliemurphy64572 жыл бұрын

    Avren ...ahem torvin left his shipmates for dead? Nooooooo lol

  • @Genghis_Sean
    @Genghis_Sean Жыл бұрын

    This deejay knight guy needs to do asmr

  • @just.joshin67
    @just.joshin67 Жыл бұрын

    How much fish could a space fish fish if a space fish had the space to fish fish. 🤔

  • @katrinaedward4115
    @katrinaedward4115 Жыл бұрын

    time 8:30 that date , 8:30 - chat 8:32 - previous video 8:33 - awareness 8:34 - comedy, self awarness 8:34 - support 8:35 - prep as a gesture of good faith 8:36 - chat 8:36 - chat ... true dm 8:37 - while my schematics for free energy exists. the money is good... 8:39 - exactly ... hello 8:40 - beasts, I said a way from the chords. note earlier note , vita es morte es vite. business end of... 8:44 - pause, build debt as capital. precedence, hip hop. 8:45 - -0:50 8:46 - maybe spend 50 seconds of attention as effort 8:47 - so that crime doesnt happen more specifically does not 8:49 - from in the contract or as an interview 8:51 - chat I stopped recording the actual time of day after that so - hmm, exactly, - I wonder why, all the way through - would have - define supposed - I did both not and permission - you brought with you - exactly, why just one, in a situation like this. - Ideas interesting - there the concept of value - true - doth protested - so then would not not matter - get it then flip it then double it - okay I can play a game as well inside a dnd game - a new game then - see why I... - only helping - the antichrists thorn - also vampire giants - both books - dnd go - we got it through - you have been contacted - cite. chat... code... dungeon master. riddle, spelling, spell jammer, character names - anyone hungry...

  • @GuitarGuyNick
    @GuitarGuyNick2 жыл бұрын

    5e vecna module when?

  • @odesseus
    @odesseus Жыл бұрын

    I'm coming a bit late to this particular conversation, but why would anyone want to leave the Astral Sea? You don't age, don't eat or sleep. Is it because of Space Clowns, Gith pirates, nasty creatures? Vampirates?

  • @chainsawsubtlety9828
    @chainsawsubtlety9828 Жыл бұрын

    59:44 No, everyone knows that it's 42.

  • @cesarferrilillo7723
    @cesarferrilillo7723 Жыл бұрын

    Can't find part 2!!

  • @Markcrazeer
    @Markcrazeer Жыл бұрын

    Grabbing ankles while dancing? She is not that short. Knees maybe. Maybe aaracokra or tri-kreen ankles. Or she is up to sunnys knees but ancles does not sound right. That is closer to tiny.

  • @lejandario7779
    @lejandario77792 жыл бұрын

    2 for 2 with guests and brilliant puns

  • @andyenglish4303

    @andyenglish4303

    Жыл бұрын

    "Don't you know you have to keep up Morell?" "Oh, a 'risk you' mission, I get it now." Damn these people are good.

  • @thejunecooperative
    @thejunecooperative Жыл бұрын

    PLEASE add captions D&D you've got so much money that this promotional campaign that's pre-recorded should be trivial to caption

  • @tetsuv
    @tetsuv2 жыл бұрын

    wasn't vampirates a book series?

  • @Schpedoinkle69
    @Schpedoinkle69 Жыл бұрын

    Hey! I'm at 1:15:00 and Travis hasn't said, "Against all odds," even once yet. The McElroy drinking game is failing me.

  • @Schpedoinkle69

    @Schpedoinkle69

    Жыл бұрын

    Although he DID mention portmanteau a bit later. *Takes drink*

  • @BrandonKampMusic
    @BrandonKampMusic2 жыл бұрын

    let's goooooooo

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge20852 жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @travislayes6024
    @travislayes6024 Жыл бұрын

    Words...

  • @nic8542
    @nic85422 жыл бұрын

    Why did Torvin turn into Seinfeld this episode?

  • @AAron-gr3jk
    @AAron-gr3jk2 жыл бұрын

    New 80s intro?

  • @natezabinski5615
    @natezabinski56152 жыл бұрын

    All this hype about Vecna better not just be a tie-in for Stranger Things.

  • @Dapoopgod6000

    @Dapoopgod6000

    2 жыл бұрын

    Idk man it might :/

  • @neb985

    @neb985

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Dapoopgod6000 I highly doubt they commissioned brand new official Vecna art for nothing.

  • @Dapoopgod6000

    @Dapoopgod6000

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@neb985 well yeah that is true

  • @kingnate101
    @kingnate101 Жыл бұрын

    I love the show thus far but one minor thing is bac si I wish she would tone down the child aspect of her character I think she takes it to far and it gets annoying but that’s just my opinion I still like all the characters

  • @LordDarque
    @LordDarque2 жыл бұрын

    While I love the Spelljammer setting... the whole cutsey bit is wearing on my nerves a tad.

  • @Despairington
    @Despairington Жыл бұрын

    Did anyone else feel like this was just an hour+ of cringy squabbling? I hope the next episode isn't... this.

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