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@CloudWithoutASky

4 күн бұрын

Imo this makes it sound like Radahn as a Consort would be considered with consent as Radahn wants a battle still and thus he wants the greatest battle which would be against Tarnished for Miquella. With the way Freyja discusses it. Radahn just likes battle and glory and prefers it over being dead. As for Mohg. How did Miquella forsake Mohg's Soul?

@DrGrimReaperGaming

4 күн бұрын

@@CloudWithoutASky I mean there's always the possibility that Radahn's followers misunderstand him, yes he might enjoy battles and defeating foes but it doesn't necessarily mean he wants to always fight. So he could want the greatest battle of Miq Vs Tarnished but there is a chance we have misunderstood as well and actually doesn't want this and would rather be dead have a his rest. They don't explain I believe how Mohg's soul was forsaken, either for plot convenience or to keep it a mystery and for people to theorise. I can only assume whatever Miq did to transfer Radahn's soul over, he took Mohg's soul out of the body and then just abandoned it and in Universe that might mean complete oblivion.

Mohg beating the allegations still is the wildest thing From Soft has ever done

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂😂It certainly wasn't on my bingo card.

@saklasnabal42069

Ай бұрын

Honestly had a hunch Mohg's mother was faked by miquella and only created the idea of mother for his plans, but I thought that was massively delusional of me😭 But this now happened😭😭😭

@austinyates3153

Ай бұрын

i’ve been defending the mohg case for two years now. never trusted that runt from the haligtree. glad to see it come to light

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@austinyates3153 VINDICATION, is finally yours.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@saklasnabal42069 #JusticeforMohg

Mohg was the one mohglested all along. I presume Radhann is also being mind controlled. Miquella truly is terryfying.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂😂I was hoping Miquella was going to be a good guy it would be a nice change for once, but as most probably expected his plans appear very sinister.

@umapessoaqualquer3688

Ай бұрын

Mogh got forced into didling that femboy

@nana93106

Ай бұрын

maibe thas why he is using moghs body, it control his heart

@Virgilijus87

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure if Radahn is. If he wants to be Elden Lord (which seems very plausible to me, seeing as he loves war and greatly admires both Godfrey and Radagon, the two previous Elden Lords), what better choice does he have for an Empyrean to raise to godhood than Miquella? Ranni refuted her status, Malenia wants Miquella to be god, and Marika has disappeared.

@emetanti

Ай бұрын

@@Virgilijus87 Well, if he so freely would gone to Miquella it probably wouldnt have needed Malenia to try and drag him out of Caelid but ending up nuking him with scarlet rot, no?

Justice for mogh Justice for the omens Truly morgott and mogh were victims of their crazy family.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Indeed they were.

@crissanti8206

Ай бұрын

Christmas dinners must be pretty fck up

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@crissanti8206 😂I immediately envisioned the deadpool painting of thanks giving, but with the Golden family instead.

@Odinsday

Ай бұрын

Morgott at least got shown love by Godfrey even if it was after his death. Mohg got used and tossed aside with.

@Oquajii

Ай бұрын

Morgott truly was the purest of the bunch

In hindsight I think Miquella using Radahn this way makes a lot of sense. Miyazaki is a huge fan of berserk and Miquella is absolutely inspired by Griffith. The way everyone fawns over him, the way people look up to him and even his character design. Miquella views Radahn in the same way that Griffith views Guts. It isn’t “love” in the romantic sense, it’s possessive and about control. Radahn was the strongest demigod and Miquella wanted to possess that power in order to advance his dream. So he uses his most loyal soldier, Malenia, to acquire the thing he really wants. Once he had that he abandons her to rot and everyone else he was sheltering at the haligtree. He then mind controls Mohg so he can enter the dream world, casting away his flesh so he can be reborn as a god and create his own kingdom. Then he uses Mohgs flesh to trap Radahns soul and essentially make him a puppet. And the worst part is that everyone loves him for it. Malenia and everyone at the Haligtree dies believing in him, Mohg dies believing in him. And he uses them like chess pieces. Miquella might be the most sinister villain fromsoft has ever created.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

He is indeed, everyone else was playing chess whilst he was out here playing checkers. Who would dare think Miq the kind was up to something sinister, since he takes in all the persecuted and abandoned.

@jedrulaelo9267

Ай бұрын

having godwyn's soul dead and his body an empty vessel, they could just take mohg's soul and put it in godwyn, having the soul and mind of a horny and willing mohg in the body of a brother miquella had some sort of affection for would make perfect sense (mohg + godwyn = mohgwyn, which is what mohg spews out right before his death) just recently ive recently read a majority of berserk and found it surprisingly mediocre, it's main strength and reference point being mostly based on shock value and devil fetish pornography. the fact that they butchered the grandiose, mythological mystique of the base game's story for a cheap copy of the thing i just cannot find interesting however hard i try drives me to the verge of disappointment harder than cuddly miquella's smooth cheeks draw in the unholy fork of a certain minor attracted individual to whom we all owe an apology. sad finale.

@flying-magpie

Ай бұрын

He truly takes after his mother

@Ale-dd3ek

Ай бұрын

​@@jedrulaelo9267 problem Is that Godwin body didn't "die" only the Soul did So It Turned into this eldritch abomination, not a Great candidate

@jedrulaelo9267

Ай бұрын

@@Ale-dd3ek doesnt seem like a huge problem for a fantasy setting, especially when characters involved are demigods with otherworldly powers

To cast more doubt into Miquella's plan. in the St. Trina dungeon, one of his rune-footsteps mention that he has 'cast aside his love.' The spirit nearby even mentions that Miquella crossed the line here, and later St. Trina begs you NOT to let Miquella ascend. Even if his plan of an age of Compassion comes to pass, it doesn't really sound as good as it does if he is no longer capable of feeling love. Its simply an Age of Control.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Totally agree, he can force everyone to love him but he no longer has any love for others.

@kylesprenkel680

Ай бұрын

freaky turn towards modern politics, Chadfrey 2024

@aura3n

Ай бұрын

I think the ‘love’ in question means St. Trina, not the emotion itself. Lol.

@dylanwickam-white5629

Ай бұрын

@@aura3n yeah, I agree, it says he "abandoned something which he should not have" definitely talking about his other half.

@rudolfambrozenvtuber

26 күн бұрын

Worth remembering Marika likely began her age to free her people from the Hornsent's oppression

Miquella still wants a world with compassion so him being called "the kind" makes sense, however hes willing to sacrifice everything to achieve it. Souls, lives, free will...

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Maybe that's story From Software wants to tell, that if this is what is needed to be sacrificed to make a "kinder" world, maybe the sacrifice wasn't worth it.

@Oquajii

Ай бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaminghell nah it’s not worth it. Free will can make a much better world, not everyone being lobotomized by this wannabe God twink

@cowhale2488

Ай бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming I'm pretty sure that's why our character is even fighting him. We have to stop this madness. Brainwashing everyone to create a peaceful world is wrong

@ThomB1031

Ай бұрын

So just a variation on the chaos ending then?

@SuperMrSkully

Ай бұрын

​@@DrGrimReaperGamingBut it just comes of as "incest obsessed lord of frenzied flame" without ever committing.

So in the end morgott was right about them all

@keroro407

Ай бұрын

What did he say? Did he mention any skulduggery?

@Twilightiger96

Ай бұрын

@@keroro407 Morgott: Willful traitors, all!

@cowhale2488

Ай бұрын

Morgott is the most honorable demigod

@Inshabael.

Ай бұрын

​@@cowhale2488Meh, he is a slave too

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

I thought he was a self righteous 🍆but it does seem to be the case that he was a "good guy".

His sister basically described him as Satan…The fiercest. The ability to make people love him. Etc.

@CustomSet101

Ай бұрын

The brightest angel, the morning star, the most beautiful...while also having the mind of a monster. Yup.

@crazypkm

Ай бұрын

Not the morning star … “the son of the morning” …. Two different things

@elioliver9277

Ай бұрын

​@@crazypkm so he's closer to the anti-christ? Lol

I did not expect the "Lord of Blood" to basically be a victim. With this context I feel bad for him

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Indeed, but I do think it is good writing as there lots of cases in Elden Ring where you think the people you kill are the ones that ruined this world, when in fact they're either simply trying to survive or have been manipulated in some fashion and are just as much a victim as we are.

@tonydelia9998

Ай бұрын

@DrGrimReaperGaming I think the problem is people putting too many expectations in a story that's supposed to be up to interpretation. There will probably never be clear answers to alot of these questions but that's the point, use your imagination.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@tonydelia9998 Yeah I agree, whilst I like knowing the whole story/picture, Elden Ring has a great story because of the gaps in the lore. As it keeps us guessing and theorising about what is and what nots, there will always be new interpretations due to different thought process and ideas. whereas if we have the complete story, that's it and no more working together to figure it out since we've given the complete answer, which is boring.

@lucchi018

Ай бұрын

His murder bloodcult started when he still lived in the sewers, he still a bad person

@changeling6450

17 күн бұрын

JUSTICE FOR MOGH!!!! im not that fan of elder ring but now knowing all this madness i just want to play the Game to k that miqela using mogh trident

What's crazy to me is that Mohg goes from being this crazy evil man, what many believe to be one of the evilest character in and Fromsoft game, to this somewhat respectable ruler that was brainwashed. Ansbach speaks of him as a just person, someone who looked after his followers, and since Ansbach isn't really all that deranged in his mannerism, I believe him. I refuse to believe that a man like Ansbach would follow a crazy raving lunatic.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Agreed, just because everyone said Mohg was evil doesn't make it true, as everyone raved about how kind and generous Miq was and looked how that turned out.

@deaththekid7626

Ай бұрын

​@@DrGrimReaperGamingSoo...Does this Mean Varre Is also Brainwashed Or....Is He an Agent of Miquella?

According to TV Tropes, Radahn's now apparently the "Token Good Teammate" among the demigods post Godwyn's death. Since apparently he's the only one that hasn't committed any known atrocities or became downright evil during the shattering.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂Damn the Golden family really has set the bar so low that he is the only one with that title.

Miquella left his love behind in a hole, and, in return, the remains of his empathy put a hit on him. With compassion like this, who needs hate

@crew_the3rd

Ай бұрын

When Miquella divulged his love, it was specifically his love of self that died. He is still clearly able to love Radahn and showing compassion to an entire kingdom clearly communicates love. Saint Trina seeks to protect Miquella from the bondage of being a deity, that is self-love. Miquella had to let go of what was good for himself to obtain the power to serve everyone in his kingdom. Clearly he has sacrificed just as much as his flowers sacrificed to obtain compassion, leading by example.

so we all kinda need to apologize to mogh then poor bastard was literally made to do this so he can die at the right time for his body thats pretty fked up

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Indeed it is.

@gadrielvanorion9872

Ай бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming cant wait for more elden ring videos cuz man radahn and mogh gonna have a weard talk, both are slaves to miquella and man cant wait

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@gadrielvanorion9872 I think it would be quite cool that since it's Mohg body but Radahn soul that they somehow both work together to break free of Miq spell, but I feel like this will all end in bloodshed.

@tomburgundy7200

Ай бұрын

​@@gadrielvanorion9872 Whats better, a world with two slaves (1 killed thousands in battle the other was a creep), or a world where everyone is a slave?

@eddie47523

Ай бұрын

I actually didn't notice the implication Mogh and Radahn's boss order has before I see this comment.

"Miquella, would you take a seat" Chris Hansen entrapping the trap, probably.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂😂

The message of Elden Ring might be how much are you willing to corrupt yourself, how many bodies are you willing to pile up and feed to maintain the illusion of order and hold on to power. Marika sacrificed her entire bloodline and shattered all that she worked for and became a slave to her own order, Miquella walks the same path.The only ones that were somewhat happy were those who gave up on those ambitions and walked an uncertain path.(Ranni,Roderika,Melina)

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

I would say that's a pretty good story and message.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

Ай бұрын

Melina is happy? News to me...

It's quite an astonishing testament to From's writing ability that Miquella went from a well meaning kind soul with ambitions of a better world yet victimized by the world around him, to quite possibly the most monstrously twisted and vile control freak demigod of the lot making a victim of the world around him in the span of barely 3 days, a fact that is more fucked up since he never shows any direct malice, he believes HE IS Miquella "the kind", that his actions are that of a good heart for a good future, that even the lives and ambitions of his own blood are forfeit (Not a new thing Ranni killed Godwyn and is probably fine that you murk Radahn but Miq does it in such a backhanded ruinous way), The haligtree is a trick that lures the hopes of the downtrodden with a land of salvation never to arrive, Melania was literally his blade, maybe he loved her as his sister, but he used her as a tool, Mohg was unknowingly manipulated into a plan that would never work just to die while Miq slips into the shadow lands free form outer gods and Radahn promised consort of not became a mindless scarlet rotten husk then a puppet for a god. That's to say absolutely nothing about the fact that every single NPC looking for Miquella minus Leda in the DLC is under his bewitchment, something that only breaks when he literally breaks his great rune/breaks it himself ( A bewitchment he can even force upon you, the most powerful tarnished to have ever probably lived), At least with the other 6 demigod's you know what your getting into and you serve them of your own free will, you serve Godrick your doing grafting and probably not getting on that elden throne, you serve Morgott your defending the erdtree and punishing tarnished with ambition, you serve Miquella because he makes you, because he twists your entire world and perception of him without a second thought or care (Like the Mohg servant). Miq want's to build a kind world in the most unkind way possible and in the end even if he kills us and all that opposes him that world will never be kind, never be rid of evil's or monsters like he want's, because no matter how many he purges there will always be 1 monster he simply cannot purge away.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

I think this is an excellent summary of his actions and character, his new world will always be tainted, as he never achieved it using pure means.

@tykayneroberts4513

Ай бұрын

I wonder how Malenia would react if she found out her own brother was manipulating her and using her like a tool, then throwing her away when she's outlived her use.

@justinmcdonald2072

Ай бұрын

Each demigod had their own means to reaching godhood, all roads are paved with death its unavailable. Warrior bread they would not seek peaceful means, it is there way, none of the existing gods wanted upstarts to join them yet all sides push against each other to be gods Its all fairplay.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@tykayneroberts4513 I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't care and still support him, Leda was "charmed" and still fully supported Miq, and so for a women who's whole life seems dedicated to her brother it wouldn't matter.

@twistedturnip8487

Ай бұрын

@@justinmcdonald2072 While yes you are technically correct in that it is simply who they are and most of them if they put the effort in could become a god if they so desired (some much easier than others like Godrick compared to Rykard while some just don't seem to desire that, like Morgott just wanting to serve the erdtree and be accepted) i still feel my point's with Miquella being the worst of them still stands. To expand on a previous point i made a bit more every single demigod you encounter in the game has their own title or epitaph given to them by their followers or the lands between as a whole and all of them are generally straight forward as to who they are and what they do, Godrick is a grafted monster, Mohg is the lord of blood and devotee to the formless mother, Rykard is the lord of blasphemous practices and at war with the erdtree, but miquella the kind is not a title given, it is a title projected, so many of his followers in the DLC are under HIS bewitchment so see him how he want's them to see him, how he sees himself, the kindest demigod, the kindest god soon to make a kind world where all HE deems evil will be erased. And yeah while all the Demigods are massive cunt's in their own way to a degree Miquella could be outright considered a sociopath which is why his kind title is such a fucked lie, he has no care for the feelings or actions of those around him only his own, he is above the idea of morality or good and evil believing himself kind and just in every aspect of his being, every asset of his long plan sacrifices someone or something including those suppose to be closest to him using them as nothing but tools and pawns (again not a new thing Ranni killed Godwyn and we kill Radahn for her but she seems to only really directly kill shit when it's in her way, Miquella 5d chess fucks up everything), he more than likely considers every follower of his, the people he bewitches into mental slavery or those that throw their lives away to follow him as tools or even little ants and in the end he only faces us, the last lord of an old order when we have outlived OUR usefulness to him (Killing Radahn, Mohg and every other being that could dare challenge him) and the deck is so astronomically stacked in his favour that he cannot possibly lose. Edit: Plus he's literally following in Marika's footsteps both figuratively and literally with the whole game of Elden ring itself coming about from the consequences of Marika becoming a god, so what would make Miquella's age of "kindness" any different than his mother's, it would be just as prone to failure and ruin the age of gold with all that would truly ever change is which people are being persecuted.

Mohg was just an enterprising boy forming his dynasty successfully without bothering anyone, its inhabitants and employees lived in peace bathing themselves in runes due to their economy. Then Miquella happened

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Capitalism always find's a way.

@deaththekid7626

Ай бұрын

Its Essentially Elden Ring's version of 'THEN ALONG CAME ZEUS'

@changeling6450

17 күн бұрын

The Miquella incindent Being serious now i really want now to see how mogh story could be if Miquella didnt just ruined EVERYTHING, i think it could go with "i'm drawing a lie ... Or maybe a good ending" vibes

@DrGrimReaperGaming

16 күн бұрын

@@changeling6450 Yeah I am certainly interested in the what if's scenario's for this game as I think some of them would lead to interesting situations.

So Radahn is now is the son of Rennala, Marika, Radagon, and Godfrey after looking up to him his entire life he’s now apart of Godfrey’s Golden lineage

@diegojimenez5937

Ай бұрын

I dont think in the way he would want to if he was brainwash

So he wanted mohg body so he had, holy, gravity, fire, and blood magic plus insane strength in one singular body.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

This does make me wonder if the ultimate God can be created by combining all different bodies together like the Living Jars.

@kingbradley6602

Ай бұрын

i think he wanted Mohg body because Radahn body is ravage by scarlet rot and Morgott was probably impossible to seduce + Mohg is part of the golden lineage

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Makes sense.

@maikilreategui1271

Ай бұрын

​@@DrGrimReaperGaming Living jar? Confirmed. Alexander was the chosen one all along!

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@maikilreategui1271 😆Indeed he was, may in rest in Jar heaven as a piece of Tupperware.

The age of stars still stands as the uncontested best ending. Ranni never sugar coated it, she told what you were gonna get, what she did to achieve it, and you got what she told you you were gonna get.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Plus she has fours hands which means more handshakes.

@darkunor6687

Ай бұрын

Indeed!

@kvancbagan3267

Ай бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming ☻

@mikebaneofntrguardianofwho5396

Ай бұрын

​@@DrGrimReaperGaming More head pat

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@mikebaneofntrguardianofwho5396 You absolutely right, that's the greatest gift of all and I forgot it and solely thought about handshakes. I am ashamed of myself.

Miquella ain't beating any effing allegation now. Mogh is the equivalent of Pro Jared in this world.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😭It certainly appears that way, poor Mogh.

@somebodyoncetoldme5203

Ай бұрын

What happend to Pro Jared?

@missNekolover91

Ай бұрын

@@somebodyoncetoldme5203 well he had a beautiful ex girlfriend but he decided to break up with her and get a different girlfriend and everyone started to bash and hate on him before it turned out the ex was abusive and Pro Jared was correct to break up

@goroakechi6126

Ай бұрын

@@missNekolover91 Thankfully ProJared has not died and has his body used in horrific experiments by some femboy with a god complex.

@diamondteel6404

Ай бұрын

All Miquella's missing is a ukulele now...

So basically Miquella destroyed Mogh's soul and then put radahn's one inside Mogh's body

@Binmusu

Ай бұрын

Yes

@Mansory811

Ай бұрын

​@@Binmusu but why does Mogs body look like Radhan ?

@weirdguy8422

Ай бұрын

@@Mansory811 magic

@eliwoodnguyen1505

Ай бұрын

Look closely and u can see there r horns stick out radahn new body​@@Mansory811

@abdelrahman788

Ай бұрын

And why isn't it malenia? Or he wants the perfect body or something?

モーグは洗脳され狂ってしまい魔王のようになっていただけで実際には彼は配下の事を大切に思い切りかかってきた侍も部下にする寛大な心を持った人格者だった。

Miquella is definitely the most fearsome of the Empyreans, as he acts in the way G.F.W Hegel describes as purely evil. He says a person who acts with disregard to the resposibility their actions entail, i.e. the destruction of Mohg's soul, the disregard for the free will of Radahn, etc., viewing himself as 'truly good' and 'compassionate', that is to say, above all morality, makes him, ironically, the most evil of all the Empyreans.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

I certainty thought Miq was evil and a bit of a 🍆 but with this put into perspective, he is absolutely the worse out of the lot.

@DeadbeatShadows

Ай бұрын

Hegelian analysis of Elden Ring is what the community really needs

@fl4avv721

Ай бұрын

​@@DeadbeatShadows not really, Who The fuck hegel

@fl4avv721

Ай бұрын

​@@DeadbeatShadows try spinoza

@jeffreykessler2503

Ай бұрын

He's just silly.😢

My boy Radahn deserved better. Shit even Mohg did too. This story is amazing but too bad this is the end.

If you think about it, miquelester is the same as how satan is described. Not as a ugly demon trying to kill you, but as a extremely beautiful/handsome entity trying to entice you to follow him to hell or cross lines you wouldnt normally cross. I always knew miquelester was too good to be true. #JusticeForMogh

Mohg was found not guilty by the court of law.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂

@Max-px5ym

Ай бұрын

Bear witness

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@Max-px5ym 😂

@Lordofpools

Ай бұрын

Never thought moghlester would be innocent lol

@heideroosje12

Ай бұрын

Editing makes it cringe now

The new debate won't be who is stronger between Radahn and Malenia, it will be "is Radahn bewitched or not" lol

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

💯I am curious to discover if that it the case, it would certainly make Miq more sinister if that is the case.

@mr.p215

Ай бұрын

This means that their battle was fueled by who is the bigger simp for Miquella

@VictorIV0310

Ай бұрын

Radahn explicitly rejected Miquella’s offer for him to be his consort in order to fight in the Shattering for reasons, one of which is to protect his sister Ranni. Miquella then ordered Malenia to invade Caelid and assassinate Radahn so that he can get his soul and fuse it with Mohg’s body to create a more “compliant” lord.

@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64

Ай бұрын

Some have been saying that the Malenia vs Radahn fight was because Radahn rejected Miquella and she was forcing him to marry Miquella. Others say Radahn's condition for marrying Miquella was fighting one last epic battle which included going up against Malenia. I genuinely don't have a clue which one is true and I haven’t made any progress in the game to read any of the lore to make my own informed opinion.

@LonkiDonki

Ай бұрын

@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 I think it's suspicious that Radahn doesn't say a single word the whole fight. The dude who values strength and fighting prowess and apparently loved battle so much he calls himself the Lion of the Battlefield doesn't have a thing to say to the Tarnished who sent him off in a glorious spectacle? I'm thinking that part gives the he was bewitched theory more credibility.

Frenzied Flame is the only ending you don’t give an insane amount of power to amoral narcissists.

@dikastederook6380

Ай бұрын

Well, it's kind of difficult to give power when you have literally nothing left

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

That's true.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

This is also true.

@Varre922

Ай бұрын

I mean Ranni is probably the only person who wants a somewhat normal rule in the Lands Between where the Elden Ring isn't messed with and people just do what they got to do. Definitely alot better than Miquella "kindness."

@blacktigerpaw1

Ай бұрын

​@@dikastederook6380the Frenzied Flame basically is "give yourself over to Chaos and burn it all away" basically creating a new beginning via nuke. A Ragnarok if you will.

Marika made a consort of Godfrey by grafting Serosh onto him so as to achieve the allegiance of the Beastmen, and Miquella makes Radahn his consort by using Mohg's body, giving him Omen horns (at his elbows) and solidifying the allegiance of the Albinaurics (Gaius) and the Carians while also gaining power over the stars, and thus Fate.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Miq is certainly a smart cookie, gaining the allegiance of even more people to he's cause who would fight with religious fervour.

Flaming Frenzy ending makes the most sense to do at this point

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

It's certainly my favourite ending, slightly beating Ranni's one.

@GrandGoblin

Ай бұрын

These lands too fucked up we gotta go bald

@MuseMenaceTV

Ай бұрын

Rannis ending eliminates any order from Forming ever again so nothing like it can truly happen again. An outer god can always take control of the raw erd tree.

@cristianreiriz1529

Ай бұрын

​@@MuseMenaceTVbut can it solve the crimson rot and deathblight problem?

@starmoral5456

Ай бұрын

Doesn't Frenzied Flame ending inly burn the Lands Between? Not the Land of Shadow?

Imagine trying to develop empathy or respect when you have an aura of compulsory love affecting everyone who sees you. Miquella was as doomed from the start as Melania

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Indeed, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I can’t believe Mohg got Miquellested.

He wasn't trying to do good, he was trying to get a husbando😂

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂I mean fair play to him, but since the plan inevitably means us dying as well they won't get their happy ending.

@UmiChan358

Ай бұрын

😢 now i'm sad for him

We wanted Godwyn, somebody with the strength of Radahn, and the (percieved) nature of Miquella, who was said to be Kind. Instead we got a tormented Mohg, twisted into the shape of Radahn, wearing Miquella as some sort of blond wig/brain parasite. Leave it to Fromsoft to leave me feeling sick and despondent. Glad we don't live in such a miserable world.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Indeed.

@yellowflash511

Ай бұрын

Definitely. We didn't get anything on Godwyn at all, big shame. It's the only big plot hole I can find

@Ale-dd3ek

Ай бұрын

Godwin soul was destroyed and the body was corrupted in a terrible way It would be a risk using something like that

@mrsgamer9218

Ай бұрын

MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@yellowflash511 Yeah it's a shame he was regulated to having a singular enemy in his service and his creepy wooden face.

Considering that Miquella made it into Shadow Keep, I wonder if Messmer was aware of his presence or if he even cared? "Oh hey little bro. Good to see you." "What are you doing Messmer?" "Being sad." "Okay. See you around." "See you..."

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

The fact he appears aware of us and that we're a potential candidate for Elden Lord, would imply he knows Miq is around and maybe he simply didn't care because his duty would still remain.

@HM4Hill

Ай бұрын

Conversely, Messmer could have been standing in the way of Miquella. His flame was the only way to burn through the shadows holding the Tower, so he guarded it to prevent his family from meddling in anymore divine affairs. Miquella tried to find any warrior he could to defeat Messmer but it wasn't until the Tarnished came along did he finally get his wish

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@HM4Hill Yeah you have a point there, that once again we were used as pawn for someone's scheme, but I would argue that I thought that Miq and Radahn were already at the tower as it appears that Leda and her group reached the tower before you burn away the shadows so a God and his consort would be ahead of everyone. However, this could be explained away that once we burned the shadows, Miq was able to travel to the top immediately with his groupies.

“My lord deserved better” well he did kill me a lot so I don’t think so

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂That's fair.

Miquella is the “child” prodigy of the bunch. He was cursed to never wield his empyrean godhood/demi-godhood and therefore had to develop means of rising to power otherwise. This is where Mohg and Radahn come in. Mohg was Miquella’s initial consort, who followed him with blind devotion. Radahn was however the most sought. Miquella’s plan all along was to pit Malenia against radahn. Either would win. He knew this would accelerate Malenia’s rot regardless of the outcome, thus taking Malenia out of the race. And should radahn fall or die, he would then be resurrected with mohg’s body anyway as a mindless puppet with no will. He accounted for both. Radahn would not survive rot after the battle and malenia’s condition would worsen. Radahn did not want to serve miquella, he didn’t want to serve anyone. But rather be a force of his own volition. Which is where it loops back into radahn needing to die anyway, to then be brought back as a puppet. Mohg believed he was bringing miquella back in his actual body to then serve as his champion. This is why he was guarding/sustaining Miquella’s body within the egg. However, it was actually backwards. Mohg was only sustaining Miquella’s life force long enough for his soul to possess radahn once radahn fell. This is why players must kill the both of them to access the dlc. Mohg must be dead to complete the transferral ritual and radahn must be dead for him to then be revived as a mortal shell, free of rot/free to be possessed by miquella. Basically, miquella is a 300 iq genius. He didn’t have physical prowess, so had to act as a tactician. Basically killed himself, only to set up a grand plan where he could around hang around as a soul, to then later possess the strongest warrior in the entire land. And like scooby doo, it would’ve worked if not for us mettlesome tarnished.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂😂The end comment killed me, but I think this is a good explanation as to his motives and what he planned, as since we now know he is self serving and potentially evil, it puts into question if he ever really cared for his sister or was it all a ploy to garner sympathy.

Mfs saying frenzied flame ending is the best when the abyss is right there.

Mohg truly got Johnny Depp'd, or Vic Mignogna'd.

im sorry mohg

This game never ceases to give you an even darker plot twist. Guess we were all deceived by Miquella's theme & light aesthetic. He truly is... terrifying.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Indeed he is.

I think we owe mogh an apology!

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Agreed. #Moghisinnocent

Go into settings and turn on the new items inventory settings. This shows all your most recent found items on a new inventory page.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks man, I knew they had introduced it, but with wanting to see what the DLC contained it slipped my mind as to how to get it to appear, I appreciate it.

So Radahn halting the stars is not because he likes it, but to 'seal' his own fate and prevent Miquella from achieving his goal, protecting his family in the process. Dude is not just chad, he is also a BROTHER. Too bad Miquella takes advantage of him, in the end.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Unfortunate indeed.

Miquella straight up looked at Redahn and said “I want you to be my daddy” Redahn probably said “no Mickey”

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂😂

Miquella giving off Griffith vibes

@dikastederook6380

Ай бұрын

Still much better than Griffith though.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Far better.

@CustomSet101

Ай бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming Dunno. It's still rape what Miquella is doing; forcing his beloved to be his consort. Plus both use their charm powers to force people to serve under them and make the kingdom a hellhole; all for their ambitions. Caenia was flooded with the scarlet rot and the Haligtree - one of the few safe spots - became an abattoir. All thanks to Miquella. Not to mention that Heart Stolen in Miquella's boss fight is considered death; just a loving one. I'll grant that Griffith is a lot pettier, heinous and disgusting but the end result of their actions is overall the same.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@CustomSet101 Yeah you make a good point.

Miquella's pristine bussy be hitting different i guess.

@Luis-sz7tn

Ай бұрын

Got mohgdahn acting different crash out for it 😂

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂

@Cyrus-rodn45

Ай бұрын

😂

So that’s why he’s smaller in the final battle, Mogh’s body morphed into Radhan’s image

@blacktigerpaw1

Ай бұрын

Radahn was that size when he fought Morgott.

@SpottedHares

Ай бұрын

more likely Mogh body is just wearing Radhans old armor while being somewhat cured of the omen curse. Also they really wanted to make the omen spikes look like the ones decorating the divine mob in the tower.

@thebigdoginthisbitch4733

Ай бұрын

@@blacktigerpaw1Morgott gets used by Malenia stans cause Malenia got bodied by Radahn

@theneef174

Ай бұрын

Naw radahn just kept getting bigger as he aged. This is a "younger" radahn in his prime

@blacktigerpaw1

Ай бұрын

@@theneef174 It's theorized his Great Rune made him huge. He's around this size when you see the opening scenes of the main game, when Morgott pins him down.

Justice for mohg

A direct reference to the cycle of the mind lords within GRRM’s the glass flower. There’s a Miquela character who’s able to destroy consciousness and place the minds of other beings in their bodies, she even becomes the god of her own planet.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Well that sounds horrifying but it's a nice reference and I like that they've put their own twist on it.

the biggest gift to Mohg fans

Im sorry mohg

But why didn't he return his sister, who literally dedicated her life to protect him and brought back the war hero?

@davidforde2507

Ай бұрын

Because malenia was an empyrean. She can't be a lord, she's destined to become a god.

@abdelrahman788

Ай бұрын

@@davidforde2507 Thanks for the explanation 🙏.

@yogsoggoth

Ай бұрын

She ended up just being a cannon fodder for Miq's plan.

@MrGrimlock1

Ай бұрын

The promise Miquella made to Malenia was "kill Radahn, ill marry him and then ill come back to you", but the plan got fucked over 1. Malenia didn't kill him good enough, and 2. We finish the job and kill both Radahn and Miquella

@nicolailaude1891

Ай бұрын

As he said "My loyal blade. And champion of the festival(?). Your deeds will both forever be remembered in song", he honors them both

Miquella is genuinely one of the most evil characters in any fromsoft game. Blinds people with love while using them as pawns, resulting in their eventual deaths.

the most notorious shota in history of anime

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂

So Miquella has the ability to mind-control/bewitch anyone he touches, (we can see this in the final boss fight, where being grabbed by him twice leads to a insta kill, and reads "heart-stolen"). Is beloved by everyone, his haligtree where everyone comes to it seeking compassion and acceptance from the cruel world, is adored by all. And yet is the single-most sinister character in the game, mind you there is a disgusting dug-eater who steals your souls and defiles your corpse. Bro really is Grifith/Makima lmfao.

So this means if Radahn was bewitched by Miquella too that the battle between him and Malenia was fueled by who is the bigger simp of the two.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂😂It's certainly looking to be the case.

@lafayecci5619

Ай бұрын

Check "Young Lion Set"....

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@lafayecci5619 The description on the armour is a little vague to me, does this mean Radahn heard Miq when he was younger? If so, this would mean Miq has had their eye on him for a long time.

@lafayecci5619

Ай бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming (All is based on the set description from ER Wiki). I think the murmur was Malenia's. In the main ER trailer we see Malenia saying something to Radahn just before detonating. And there was always a discussion about what it had been. So, I am pretty sure the set reveals this secret.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@lafayecci5619 Ahhhhhh you're absolutely correct, I rewatched the trailer a couple of days ago and noticed it and simply thought it was odd, but with the description it ties it all together. This just shows From has it (mostly) all planned from the start.

Miquella, the real mohglester

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂😂

Wow Miquella charms even Demigods. Thats truly terrefying. And he can even charm you. St. Trina too.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

I can totally see why he was considered the most fearsome Empyrean. At the end of the day we all love a bad guy.

@Bashbekersjiw

Ай бұрын

St.trina Is a part of miquella so tecnically Is still trive

@Jb-id1bu

Ай бұрын

Characters with the ability to "charm" are always horrifying in fiction. They can be the most disgustingly broken characters around, to the point that even characters who SHOULD be able to disintegrate them with a thought can't lift so much as a finger to challenge them. And I've always found abilities that mess with the mind to be seriously unsettling. Even Malenia's Scarlet Rot is far less scary to me than the terror of losing your whole personality and beocming a slave or.....anything else he wants, simply because Miquella just ....felt like it one day.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@Jb-id1bu Couldn't agree more, I am sure the Golden Family enjoyed the great power that each individual had, and only their own family could be equals, but with the power of charm you can compel all these beings of great power into your service, having a small army and their powers are essentially yours without any of the drawbacks.

Assuming that miquella had radhan and malenia manipulated, theres a chance miquella specifically wanted godrick dead for whatever reason lol

@aidenmcgonigle2498

Ай бұрын

Didn't want Godrick finding the corpse early and grafting it? Grafting magic seems unique and Godefroy was likely already imprisoned

"I can see it, as clear as day, the coming of our dynasty... Mohgwyn" What do you think it was supposed to mean? Do yo think he had a glimpse of him and miquella fighting the tarnished because it was still his body?

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

I thought that it was simply him believing that when Miq finally "wakes up", Mohg can become the lord consort to him and rule The Lands Between but with this new information makes me think that maybe he did foresee something regarding us.

you see now it makes sense why we fight radhann again

@dev4159

Ай бұрын

still quite disappointing

@nicolasramirezortiz302

Ай бұрын

​@@dev4159Same, i wanted Godwin and miquella

@Somethinglazyidk

Ай бұрын

@@nicolasramirezortiz302 I've never understood why people thought Godwin would appear, he is super dead his soul his gone, his body lives but his soul Godwyn himself mega dead

@AuroraBoost

Ай бұрын

@Somethinglazyidk exactly, it wouldnt make sense at all for Godwin to come back. He is literally the deadest person in the whole story

@SuperMrSkully

Ай бұрын

​@@SomethinglazyidkAnd yet the same thing happened to Mohg, so what's your point? Plus no one should die without the Rune of Death, body or soul.

I knew Mohg would beat the allegations! Mohg is the Bran to Miquella's Bloodraven. I've always said it.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂

He beat the allegations

Miquella and Consort Radhan Age of Light Ranni and Consort Tarnished Age of Dark

@epicsusan5548

Ай бұрын

And of the stars too

@Vincentpanh

Ай бұрын

In the age of dark people are free to believe what they please because tarnished and Ranni venture into the dark loneliness endless space (but you have each other, you are her one and only lord). In the age of light everyone believe in god and will fight and die for him.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😯😯It's certainly a nice twist that the age of dark sounds bad, when actually it's the better option out of the two.

@someguy4405

Ай бұрын

Miquella and consort Mohg Age of consent

@TheStraightestWhitest

Ай бұрын

@@someguy4405 LMAO!

I always knew Miquella couldn’t be trusted, but damn.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Yeah the most powerful beings in video are so rarely on our side, unfortunately Miq was no different.

Radahn was a wild choice. I was for sure it would be godwyn.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Maybe they're saving him for the eventual sequel, since I think this has become the new dark souls, so there should be at least one more game.

@wyldeman7

Ай бұрын

@DrGrimReaperGaming I didn't think of that! I thought maybe they just couldn't get the look or fight right so they went with old faithful and made the lore fit. But saving him is a great idea. Definitely since they teased him even more here.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@wyldeman7 I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the next main antagonist or threat as his mere presence is slowly distorting the lands between and can even kill those who get too close to portions of his body, so I can totally see us having to stop him from his willing/unwilling destruction of his home.

I paid $40 to feel bad for Mogh? Well played Fromsoft, well played...

Miquella Is disgusting! Poor Radahn.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Agreed, Justice for Radahn and Mohg.

@frdveloz

Ай бұрын

Radahn agreed to this. You can see in the memory after defeating them that they made a pact when they were young. It would not make sense to make a pact with someone you're controlling... Mogh on the other hand, that's another story.

@Guy-iv2hw

Ай бұрын

​@@frdveloz You don't hear Radahn's answear

@stoicghost4313

Ай бұрын

@@frdveloz I disagree, Radahn never speaks in the memory and if he did agree. Melania wouldn't have had to fight him.

@jayschmucker2184

Ай бұрын

@@frdveloz The spell Light of Miquella also gives more credibility to the idea that Radahn rejected Miquella, as it mentions that only one person rejected Miquella, which suggests that it was Radahn, given how Malenia nuked Caelid to kill him and said "Miquella awaits thee, o promised consort". Radahn is known for his immensely powerful willpower, such as holding back the stars while rotting away, so it stands that Radahn would be able to resist Miquella's charm.

If you truly think miquella's plan was brilliant, he would have control of 3 demigods, mohg, malenia, and radahn with several armies under his command, including the redmanes, the haligtree, the ceanrot due to radahns haritage this could akso include the carian and cuckoo knights and lastly the bloody fingers. The only ones that could stand up to them would have been the god devouring serpent godrick and his mercenary army, and most of all, Morgott. Godrick has no chance in hell banished knights are powerful, and his one crucible knight as well, but the sheer numbers of miquellas forces would bring castle stormvale to the ground the god devouring serpent would be a tramendous for but malenia radahn and mohg would be far too much morgott and his army would be the only hope hes got numbers powerful cavalry and fortifications he would be by far the one to last the longest.

I was expecting godwyn body to be the final boss because of the corruption or a form of his soul

I knew it. I KNEW IT. Miquella was a GRIFFITH, all along!

I knew it! Miquella was evil all along! And people told me that I was wrong!

@TheStraightestWhitest

Ай бұрын

Those Bewitching Branches had me telling people he was the bad guy for years already.

@dikastederook6380

Ай бұрын

He's more of an anti-villain than straight up evil. Still shady af.

@Oquajii

Ай бұрын

@@dikastederook6380 He’s no anti-villain, he brainwashed people. He bewitched melania and all of the haligtree. He brainwashed and defiled Mohgwyn and Radahn.

@Oquajii

Ай бұрын

@@TheStraightestWhitest exactly, because it’s insane that anyone but Morgott had something bad to say about him. “ Witful traitors, all! “

@Oquajii

Ай бұрын

@@dikastederook6380 evil, he brainwashed Mohg, Radahn, and Melania

All true Mohg Heads rise up

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️

Radahn doesn’t deserve that 😔

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Neither of them do. #JusticeforMohgandRadahn

"... And the Lord's soul will require a vessel" I see whatchu did there

Bro wants everyone to love him, but he's incapable of love.

Justice for Mohg

@ASNS117Zero

Ай бұрын

Justice for Mohg.

the fact that Miquella, supposedly the kindest and most compassionate of the empyreans would be so willing to take advantage of someone, especially one of the omen twins, the ones who had the most tragic of lives deprived of love is amazingly despicable incredible how Fromsoft completely turned my opinion of everyone around and dashed ANY hope of a good ending for the lands between. maybe burning it all down would be better

@yuikodai5148

Ай бұрын

I’m just astonished when I say: Miquella still has one a redeeming quality. The Haligtree. He made it for the Accursed races (Misbegotten, Omens, Demi-Humans, Etc.) to have a safe haven from enslavement or persecution. Basically a second Erdtree. Then there’s the Unalloyed needle for Malenia to combat the scarlet rot. Now I understand as an Emperyean he NEEDS a Lord in order to ascend into Godhood, but to use Mogh, an already Damned demigod by birth to gain access to the Land of Shadow and his body as a vessel. To then send his sister to face off against Radahn to claim his soul for a Consort is…messed up. Its literally like Seluvis’s puppets. But Miquella is Seluvis and Radahn is Nerfelli. Also, I think the whole Consort thing is just a “power” or “political” dynamic just to ascend and create the Age of Abundance (Miquella’s scrapped Rune) I don’t think there’s a sexual connection but I could be wrong. Fromsoft flipped the script on Three (really Two) major Demigods holy crap-

@oliverborromeo8460

Ай бұрын

@@yuikodai5148 This all sounds fitting, except for the consort thing being purely political or about power only. In the original Japanese, the word consort DID include a romantic meaning and therefore sexual connection. I mean it's probably GRRM's world building that put incest where previous games hadn't.

Well shit. I guess the fandom owes Mohg an apology.

Griffith did the same thing to the band of the hawk😂willing to sacrifice everything to achieve his dream and making everyone else believe he’s a good guy except for the few who know the truth about how he got there in the first place. At least that’s my berserk connection to it

if there is any consolation to Mogh is that Miquella in the end did wanted his body. Also explains why Mogh diying word is that he could see the birth of their dynasty as bright as day or sometihing like that, he saw is posesed body joining Miquella,

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Very true and would be interesting if this was the case.

Bro we all need to apologized to Mohg 😂

Me before dlc: why do we need to kill radahn? Isn't the dlc about miquella? What does radahn have anything to do wit miquella? After dlc: Oooohhhhh.....

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂It all connects together, From has it all planned from the start.

You know what's the worst part? Miquella got us as well.

Ansbach reminds me a lot of Sir Barristan from Game of Thrones. Loyal, dutiful, ever polite and respectful of his peers. But never a pushover when pressed.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

21 күн бұрын

Now that you mention it I can totally see that.

So let me get this straight. At first Miquella only wanted a world in which her sister could live in health forever, to cure her from her Rot. When all his efforts resulted to failure, I presume Malenia comforted him nonetheless. She was his blade and forever would be. So Miquella designed another plan: he would create a world where no one has to endure pain and hurt, a world of compassion. He searched all his life for the truth about Marika and the very foundation of her kingdom. He discovered its “rotten roots” as Ymir puts it and so talked to Radahn: become my consort since you’re the only good and strong guy in our family and let’s create a new order. Radahn accepted on the condition he would confront Malenia in lethal combat, to have one last superb battle before death. But he didn’t die because he was too strong, Malenia couldn’t defeat Radahn but only turn him into a giant beast eaten away by the scarlet rot. Miquella didn’t know this because he knew that in order for a soul to return he would need a vessel: Mogh’s body. So he charmed Mohg, hid himself in a cocoon under the false pretence of “growing up into a god” and let himself be kidnapped by the Omen Lord. I believe the plan was for Malenia to kill Mohg after defeating Radahn so that both soul and vessel could be found in the Land of Shadow “where all manners of death” go to instead of the Erdtree (no longer capable of absorbing souls). But that didn’t happen. Malenia would hope someone else could defeat Mohg while she waited his brother’s return in full godhood. So she dreamed of that future: her body was completely replaced by “dull gold” and “her blood rotted.” Malenia was ready to become his brother automaton, to be his blade for eternity and defend Miquella’s reign of compassion and kindness. But we killed her. We killed Radahn and we killed Mohg. We were instrumental to Miquella’s plan. Compassion. As if, he abandoned her sister, he abandoned everyone to pursuing godhood not understanding that it’s naive to think that that much power wouldn’t corrupt or reveal something darker in him. As St. Trina says: “the poor thing” could never endure godhood. Mohg was rejected by everyone, by his own mother, he just wanted to share the love he felt from the Formless Mother. He was twisted in his ways, sinister and disgusting, absolutely. And his Omen body was to be used by Miquella who could never accept an Omen as his Lord. Miquella chose his half brother as his betrothed. That is disgusting beyond measure. I hate Miquella with a passion lol

@rafsandomierz5313

Ай бұрын

Mogh wasn't rejected by Morgott the reason why he killed omen killers across lands between (There isn't any headquarters in lands between, but there are headquarters of omen killers in land of shadow. Which is very interesting, you would think that the golden order would have omen killer base in their place where they come from) was because for his brother to return and convinced Godrick to take in Omens into the golden order so his brother Mogh could live no longer hiding.

@lorisceleste1860

Ай бұрын

@@rafsandomierz5313 I'm so sorry, could you please rephrase your comment? No hate I just found it really hard to understand, dude! (:

So bummed Godwyn wasnt part of the dlc, or Miquella mentioning Malenia once.

@AALion2004

Ай бұрын

Well he is kinda you fight a knight of his a death knight who used to serve him Godwyn is in the Dlc bit not as a major role

@Varre922

Ай бұрын

He does at the beginning of the final boss

When I first saw Miquella I said I wonder if this is going to be miyazaki's Griffith character. And it feels horrifying to be so right.

"Endless War to invigorate the soul, as befits the soul of General Radahn" I think that quote is gonna throw a wrench in the "Is Radahn bewitched or not" debate. Because we just straight up do not know. His knight here thinks he would work with Miquella just to have more wars to fight, despite us giving him an honorable death. So it's hard to say. The description on Radahn's new armor set implies that he did make a deal with Miquella but that doesn't mean he wasn't bewitched even before the shattering. Base game lore implies that everyone loved Miquella, so who's to say who was bewitched and who was of right mind? Miyazaki out here giving the fans something to debate for the next 10 years lol.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

It is certainly smart of him, as it will still be talked about by the public even when they release their next several games, and it makes the game and story even more enjoyable. Since there's always new thoughts and opinions whereas if we were told outright, it wouldn't be as enjoyable since we've been given the definitive answer and the game would stay in the public eye much less.

Theres something deeply terrifying about the idea of having your corpse used as a vessel for someone else’s soul. Miquella isntruly evil

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

Indeed, I thought Marika was bad but Miq clearly saw it as a challenge.

@seliamila1005

Ай бұрын

I won't call him evil, he's neither pure nor evil. He's the end justify the means person, but his end goal is to create a compassionate world

@FalcoMoment

Ай бұрын

​@@seliamila1005 Except his means involve taking control of everyone's minds and purging those he can't control DLC also makes it clear he purged his ability to love or feel empathy, so his "kind world" is not gonna be very kind

Sweet home Alabama!

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂😂

@Matheus01992

Ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@TheStraightestWhitest

Ай бұрын

The fact that the lore is literally that Miquella was just looking to get pounded out by his half-brother and it still being one of the greatest games and DLC ever made is why FromSoftware is the GOAT.

@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290

Ай бұрын

I have been trying to make this not weird, but I can't come up with an explanation... Mogh wasn't the bad guy in this situation.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 😂Yeah it's a weird situation that I think no one expected.

Miyazaki loves Berserk so much. The resemblance between Miquella and Griffith is uncanny

@DrGrimReaperGaming

26 күн бұрын

I don’t know much about Berserk but what I’ve looked up due to the comparisons being made, it certainly is uncanny.

@panagiotisn8675

26 күн бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming you have to read the manga. It is truly amazing

@DrGrimReaperGaming

26 күн бұрын

@@panagiotisn8675 I shall definitely give it a shot since I hear nothing but good things about it.

Ohhh, i was so confused when fighting Radahn on why he had omen horns coming out of his arms and some random Mohg-esque attack. I don’t know how I missed Ansbachs 2nd location

@DrGrimReaperGaming

29 күн бұрын

I mean I screwed up the Hornsent questline as I only saw him in the initial meeting and then after Mess Boss Fight and finally the group fight of a bunch of people wailing on each other. So, it could simply be you've progressed in a manner that skips part his questline and his disappeared as Elden Ring doesn't tell you what you need to do if you want to continue a storyline, you either get lucky or follow a guide. Or it could simply be with a new area and new enemies trying to kill you. You just simply missed it since there was a lot going on.

have you spoken to st trina recently? she is the female half of miquella (similar to marika and radagon) she stated that "divinity is a prison" what does this mean for miquellas situation?

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

I have indeed spoken to her, and my thought/theory is that by ascending to Godhood you're forever chained to the greater Will. You can thrash and rattle all you like but ultimately Miq will always be under it's control. Whilst Marika gave it a good go by breaking the Elden Ring she was still able to be imprisoned by it.

@federicofilippini6780

Ай бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGamingI was thinking people say Marika is evil, I think she Is more grey than actually just a evil person, why do I think so? In the great scheme of stuff yes marika did horrible shit to arrive to where she was but I feel she was manipulated by the greater will a lot, cause to me it woudnt make sense for marika the great manipulator that litteraly did all that stuff and than just save the omen twins cause they were her children they are like giant liability to all she stood for even if they are her kids during that time , but also why I think this is cause it would make sense for marika and miquella to be a reflection of each other mirrored but not the same. It’s likely marika did all that shit to create a world she thought was gonna be a better world same as miquella but in the end, the greater will Preaty much tricked her cause than if u look at all the stuff she did and the dialogue of when Melina speaks for marika I think, she realized she was tricked and started to regret it all. , the treatment of the people like the omens and after I feel was more a panicked response to the fact shit wasn’t going as the greater will told her, so she started to doubt and then realized later that the golden order was not perfect at all and it was all a lie and she started to get desperate and having remorse. Cause think about it as much as radagon was more kind than marika, radagon rapresenting the law of regression would want stuff to go back to how it was see him trying to fix the Elden ring instead of actually fixing what was wrong aka the golden order itself, marika likely wanted to free herself and the world cause she realized she was wrong unlike miquella which had the opposite happen, his human side st Trina realized he was wrong but miquella didn’t want to listen, meanwhile marika realized she was wrong but radagon didn’t cause he couldn’t because of his concept of regression he rappresents. What do u think? Cause marika than put on all those plots to destroy the golden order by helping rani getting stuff for her plan and start the shattering, cause when marika says that she and randagon the little hound of the golden order should be shattered and that he is a blind fool, I think that made it clear what at the end marika intensions were, she regrets what happened and the fact it was all a lie and considering the plan with the tarnished was to have them try again and again until Someone strong enough could beat the Elden beast and the greater will out of the world they lived in. I don’t know maybe I might be remembering or misinterpreting stuff but what do u think?

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@federicofilippini6780 I think you're correct with Marika being more grey than evil, as I believe there isn't good or evil per say in this world just different shades of grey. At the time before the release of the DLC many people thought the actions she and Mess took upon the Hornsent were pretty evil and that she destroyed an entire civilisation so that she was able to create her own, but various pieces of lore give us the implication that the Hornsent was just as "evil" as Marika was and how they would abuse other tribes/people they thought were inferior, so her war against them could be seen as heroic since she wanted to bring down their civilisation and make a new and brighter one. Which would explain why she and the rest of the Golden Order hated anything to do with the crucible and horns because they're from a time where people were unhappy and Marika doesn't want to be reminded of that fact, and whilst she hated anything to do with that she couldn't bring herself to harm her own children even if they did represent everything she hated and so hid them in the sewers. I do agree with you that Miq and Marika almost seemed to mirror eachother, that from our point of view both have done some pretty horrific stuff in the name of their order but in their eyes they HAVE to do this so that they can create a future where this doesn't need to happen anymore, but this can cause an endless cycle of someone not agreeing with their actions and wanting to kill them for it, and so they do horrific stuff in the name of stopping Miq or someone else and on and on it goes. I also agree with the point that Marika was starting to realise the Golden Order wasn't what she hoped it would be, due to the small little tidbits we can find in the base game and DLC, that she either started to regret her actions or planned to bring down her Order and by extension the Greater Will, which I will discuss later thereby freeing the world. I do agree that whilst Marika started to realise her mistake, Miq went the other way and permanently removed his ability for doubt and regret so that he could do any action he deemed necessary for his age, as he got rid of St Trina which in my opinion was his compassion and so by doing this he would never be able to reverse the actions he done because he is literally incapable of it. One thing I currently disagree with is that the Greater Will lying to Marika and her finding this out which set her off planning the downfall of it all. I think she wanted to get rid of the Greater Will for a reason but I don't think it was because it lied to her. The reason I think this is because we find out that the Fingers come from an entity called Metyr which is a direct daughter of the Greater Will, and Metyr was the one communicating to the fingers I believe, and I seem to recalling reading that at some point the Greater Will stopped talking to Metyr it doesn't mention when this was but Ymir who starts you on the quest to fighting it says, is it any wonder Marika's order was rotten to the core, if the Fingers were rotten if they came from a rotten source. So, I believe that Metyr was the one telling Marika what to do in service of the Greater Will and how she can bring about her age, but Metyr like the fingers in the base game was guessing on what they thought the Greater will wanted instead of it coming directing from it. The Greater Will seems to of had a very hands off approach from the very start, and doesn't care or want a particular order as long as it follows a structure/form of it's choosing and we can do whatever else we want as long as the core of it remains, which I guess is the Elden Ring itself and an attack on that is an attack on it, which is why Marika was imprisoned maybe Marika didn't know this and only see it as a means to destroy her order. What do you think? is there any points you agree or disagree? Have anything additional to say?

@federicofilippini6780

Ай бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming nah I think what u said is right cause now I looked at the new stuff in the dlc cause I hadn’t found about the mother of fingers so yeh I kinda agree. Now it makes sense why all this happened

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

@@federicofilippini6780 It is fun discussing this game with others, as there's always new ideas and opinions about the lore and characters in this world, and someone might have thought of something others hadn't before as new tangents and theories are born. I can't wait to see what theories people have when we've collected the lore and examined it more thoroughly.

Miquella rizzed up that gravitational GYATT without effort...truly remarkable

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

😂Some people are just that skilled.

Cracked Theory: But I think that Miquella made some deal with Radahn that either fell through or Radahn did not uphold. Miquella was involved in trying to bring peace to Godwyn. Because Radahn was such a fan of Godfrey and Godwyn was a similarly golden warrior and Godfrey's eldest son, I don't think it's completely out of possibility that Radahn may have supported bringing Godwyn peace. Castle Sol implies that doing so would require either: A) A joint effort from a Carian (The Moon) and someone of the Golden Order (The Sun) -> Making up an Eclipse; or B) Like. A literal eclipse, which wouldn't happen if Radahn was holding back the stars to prevent a meteor. It also could be that Radahn just abandon's the project entirely when they fail to bring peace to Godwyn and ultimately make things worse. Either way, Radahn backs out of their deal, so Miquella goes to plan B and sends Malenia to kill him so he can be resurrected by his side. She fails, but by that time Miquella has already stripped himself of his body and is just waiting for someone (likely hoping it was one of his followers or Malenia herself) to kill Mohg and complete the process. He calls Radahn his "promised consort," which I do think is literal. Radahn may have agreed to his terms at one point, but the deal fell through and Miquella decided to take what he wanted anyway.

@DrGrimReaperGaming

Ай бұрын

I don't think that's a cracked theory at all, I think is a genuine explanation as to what has happened, as we've seen that Miq will go to any length to get his "Age of Compassion" and Radahn backing out of the deal for whatever reason and Miq deciding he will have Radahn no matter what, does fall in line with how Miq character is being currently portrayed. This is also a good explaintion as to what's Miq side of the deal was, as we get no explanation on what it is, but we do know he tried creating an eclipse so that might be what Radahn wanted before joining Miq but it unfortunately didn't occur and so Radahn went and did his own things.

@elviraweekes3906

27 күн бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming your name is long so it will be hard for me to type this out because I can’t see but maybe he just wanted his neck to be spectacular because you have to die to enter the realm of shadow

@elviraweekes3906

27 күн бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGaming I meant death not neck

@DrGrimReaperGaming

27 күн бұрын

@@elviraweekes3906 😆Yeah it's certainly a small inconvenience when somebody wants to respond to a message of mine, but I think that is a good argument as Radahn is a warrior first and foremost and so simply dying outside battle isn't a worthy end. Hence why they throw a festival in his name to give him one. Malenia also clearly underestimated Radahn ability to "resist" her rot and overestimated her ability to kill him with it and bring a worthy end to Radahn, as we have to come in and do her job for her.

@elviraweekes3906

27 күн бұрын

@@DrGrimReaperGamingIt would explain why he let Melania put her arm back on. Maybe Miquella and Melania’s part of the vow was to give Radahn a honorable death. And then in return he will become their lord of the coming age.

I would be glad that From Software didn't actually go with Mohg trying to continue his dynasty in the DLC but it still has a dude giving birth.