We need an hbo “Rome” quality Sulla vs Marius show or movie.

@ebenezerpaul9413

3 жыл бұрын

Yessss

@ElSa-fu8bi

3 жыл бұрын

I swear once in my wildest dreams, someone was going to make "The First Man In Rome" into a series!!!

@ashtavakra3710

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElSa-fu8bi it will be game of thrones all over again

@rogeriopenna9014

2 жыл бұрын

I said that myself plenty of times.

@rogeriopenna9014

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElSa-fu8bi I also said that myself plenty of times.

Sulla was actually very pro-senate, he gave huge powers to the senate and took many powers from the tribunes. Caesar on the other hand was a man of the people, probably the greatest populist in ancient history.

@elperrodelautumo7511

2 жыл бұрын

Caesar succeeded Sulla in the dictatorship role of Ancient Rome.

@alvaro4867

2 жыл бұрын

@@elperrodelautumo7511 Caesar became dictator several decades after sullas death

@ilect1690

Жыл бұрын

@@alvaro4867 ironically enough, sulla actually pardoned caeser after he was forced to flee. Caeser was Gaius Marius's nephew in law who was the main rival of sulla

I'd say Sulla is a combination of Richard Harris' iconic roles: He possesses the soft but authoritative voice of Albus Dumbledore, the military prowess of Marcus Aurelius, and the ruthlessness of Oliver Cromwell.

@rodrikofharlaw6848

Жыл бұрын

Aurelius really wasnt that great of a military leader compared to cromwell.

@ghostinthemachine8243

Ай бұрын

Richard Harris nailed this character. He projected a proud, capable, and ruthless Sulla, which seems in line with what we know about him from history.

Cato was a kid when Sulla took power, and actually Sulla was a very "senate friendly" guy. All his reforms were made only in order to restore the privileges for the senatorial aristocracy which had been weakened before by Marius (uncle of Caesar) and Cinna (father in law of Caesar)

@mikemanners1069

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Hollywood absolutely makes havoc of Ancient Roman History....the average American is too ignorant and uneducated in the Classics to get the disparity.

@terminator324343

5 жыл бұрын

Ironically, Richard Harris here is more like Marius, not Sulla. The entire speech has Marian characteristics.

@Thelionpaladin

5 жыл бұрын

paolo bignardi Cato was a kid and Sulla was definitely trying to restore “Optimate order.” However, he definitely does so in a very populare way and did whack an awful lot of the aristocracy, though he did so with the support of other members of the senate. This film does make Sulla look basically just like Marius or Caesar, but it’s cause it’s v hard to portray that individual complexity that Classical figures often had. After all, most roman dramas often portray the populares and Optimate divide as if they are political parties, when it was in fact largely individuals swinging between both groups of opinion for various reasons, ideologically and material. Like Cicero is often portrayed as this massive democratic republican when he swung all time time from Optimate to populares and back again. After all, he almost was a fourth member of Caesar’s first triumphate.

@DustinTheGreat1123

4 жыл бұрын

You’re right of course. But Harris is amazing as this type of Sulla. And Walken as Cato is my heart’s delight.

@bcm8984

4 жыл бұрын

He was probably almost opposite of this scene. Except for the arrogance

Richard Harris was a beast in the arts... "...I may withdraw that, then again I may not; I will let you know after dinner, but for your sake, you better hope the food is good!" That was brilliant delivery of some terrifying lines

@EricWilke1141987

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently the food wasn't good.

@fodicky4

2 жыл бұрын

@@EricWilke1141987 Apparently

@rickster578

2 жыл бұрын

@@fodicky4 Or maybe, he was going to kill him either way.

@fodicky4

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickster578 That is also probable. Still imagine someone saying this to you and meaning it... you might as well go find a high peak coz the stress alone is too much

Christopher Walken as a roman senator...........so much awesome!

@FilmandClips

6 жыл бұрын

Quite surprising huh? :D

@gabrielaubry1334

5 жыл бұрын

Not just any senator, but Cato!

@taroman7100

4 жыл бұрын

Ha he's holding onto a noble voice

@jona.scholt4362

4 жыл бұрын

That's because he still has that watch shoved in his ass...

@yngvebalmsteen9174

4 жыл бұрын

He's one of those American actors like John Malkovich that sound out of place with British actors. Malkovich especially.

"I have altered the roman law, pray I don't alter it any further"

@tamasfekete4124

4 жыл бұрын

haha nice reference :)

@grndiesel

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. First thing that popped into my head too.

@chadsknnr

4 жыл бұрын

And yes, Caesar was a Sith Lord. His moniker was Orange Julius . . . .

@marcoslaureano5562

2 жыл бұрын

He would hate to have to leave a garrison there....

So Marcus Aurelius used a time machine...

@MiguelPerez-zx2wg

4 жыл бұрын

It not Marcus Aurelius is Sulla the frist Roman dictator for life.

@MrMansionIV

4 жыл бұрын

@@MiguelPerez-zx2wg I think the same actor played Marcus Aurelius in Ridley Scotts Gladiator.

@MiguelPerez-zx2wg

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrMansionIV oh.

@BaronVonYolo

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrMansionIV Really dude?

@NightWanderer31415

4 жыл бұрын

@@MiguelPerez-zx2wg it is actually Richard Harris, great actor. Also played M.A. in Gladiator.

"Cato, why is your mouth hanging open?" That is so badass and funny XD

The only time Albus Dumbledore was able to silence Archangel Gabriel.

@owlsayssouth

4 жыл бұрын

"Do you know how you got that dent, in your top lip? Way back, before you were born, I told you a secret, then I put my finger there and I said "Shhhhh!""

This is basically Richard Harris playing Cromwell again, storming Parliament.

Two powerful historical characters, played by two heavyweight actors. Wish there were more scenes with these two actors.

@jonfranks6902

5 жыл бұрын

Byzantine41 I agree.

@provablegrub4581

4 жыл бұрын

Byzantine41 Except that the history is shot to bits. Cato wasn’t even 15 when Sulla took power and the depiction of Sulla is ahistorical here. I do agree that they are both brilliant actors though.

@panoskatrin4910

4 жыл бұрын

@@provablegrub4581 dude come on they just wanted to show how threatened the senete would have seen sulla,a senete which was fullied with Marius supporters,Sulla himself had strong opinions on how the senete should faction But you are right he is portrayed completely inaccurate since in his mind the people of rome was just a mob which could only be controlled by a strong senate ,he wasn't so much a tyrant who wanted to just eat and fuck but he truly valued political stability

"Since when did the senat ever represent the people??" The Romans had the same problems as we have today. ;-)

@alonenjersey

4 жыл бұрын

So sad yet so true.

@luftim

4 жыл бұрын

they had a tribune of the plebian tho. they had veto of any desicion of the consuls

@Lumpenkasperle

4 жыл бұрын

@@luftim Yes, of course, but did the tribunes truly represent their people? They had the right to veto the action of the magistrates, but they had no real legislative or executive power. And they were not allowed to leave the city of Rome, so their actions and availability was limited to the city. Nowadays the people also elects its "tribunes", but do they really represent our interests? The pro-election promises are often forgotten after the election. I assume, that it was similar in ancient Rome.

@caiawlodarski5339

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lumpenkasperle The plebeian assembly WAS the people. And they had legislative authority, they could propose laws directly to the pleibean assembly without going to the senate.

@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg

4 жыл бұрын

We have a house of representatives, which is the equivalent of the plebeian assembly. The senate is actually meant to represent the states, not the people directly. Most people don't know this, but up until fairly recently, there were no elections for senate -- senators were appointed by state legislatures. That's how the founders intended it. The law was changed in 1913. Frankly it made more sense in the original construction; now instead of one body that represents the interests of state governments entirely, we basically have a super-house. It's redundant.

Richard Harris is LEGENDARY!!! His biography is so entertaining!

“Since when did the senate ever represent the people?” Sulla asked calmly.

@dohalim-il-qaras

11 ай бұрын

He make a point.

The second time Richard Harris marched troops into a government assembly.

@kingfedrick4698

4 жыл бұрын

Ha yes, Cromwell (1970) I forgot about that movie

@yngvebalmsteen9174

4 жыл бұрын

@@kingfedrick4698 First Richard Harris movie I ever saw!

Sulla: "Cato, why is your mouth hanging open?" That would have been a low-blow if he asked that to the Cato from HBO's Rome, since his actor suffered a stroke.

@C00kiesAplenty

4 жыл бұрын

@November It wasn't pro Caesar the actor was just very charismatic. Like the real Caesar. Re watch a lot of his scenes, and pay attention to the actual dialogue.

@DustinTheGreat1123

4 жыл бұрын

Cookies Aplenty just rewatched the series and wholeheartedly agree

@cortex383

4 жыл бұрын

@November Cato was younger than Caesar it's true. But the stereotypes of conservatives being old means a lot of people just cast him as an old man.

@seandlax9

4 жыл бұрын

@@C00kiesAplenty It's def pro Caesar. Best example is how dirty they do Cato in the series. Instead of the stoic and famously uncorruptable Senator he was in real life, they portray Cato as a guy throwing a temper tantrum. Who's primary concern is keeping power in the aristocracy rather than being fearful that Caesar is another Sulla in the making. If I remember right, Sulla isn't even mentioned once in the HBO series.

@imonlyamanandiwilldiesomed4406

4 жыл бұрын

Juno's cunt, man! Have you run mad!??

Any one who loves this movie and would like to experience the roman history asif they were reading the dune novels or Ice and fire anthology should read Colleen McCullough's Rome series of books. Truly epic. Six books of awesomeness. All the heroes and villains are there doing their thing. The protagonists are Marius first, then Sulla, Pompey, Caesar(obvs) and Octavian. Such a good read. Having said that, it would take even an average reader a couple of months to get through them all but it's well worth it.

@colinr1960

2 жыл бұрын

I have read them twice. It helps that she was a visiting speaker on Roman history at Harvard (I believe. Memory fades.) History set to drama. I often wonder why we change history “with poetic licence”, when history is so great by itself.

@badman231177

2 жыл бұрын

@@colinr1960 I know right. Funny enough I read them twice too. It was like watching a favourite Netflix series but better

I need to watch this. Those few minutes of Richard Harris did it for me. Amazing actor.

“...for your sake, you better hope, the food is good.”

@Noutelus

4 жыл бұрын

Good job at repeating the last thing that was said, like 100.000.000 commenters before you.

@logoseven3365

4 жыл бұрын

Aqw aq 238 commentators

@Noutelus

4 жыл бұрын

@@logoseven3365 Yeah nice avoiding my comment..

@logoseven3365

4 жыл бұрын

Aqw aq So sorry, I didn’t recognize who I was dealing with. 23 people gave it a thumbs up. Sorry I didn’t affirm you. You are a good person and people like you. I wish I could give you a big hug 🤗.

@suaiman4263

4 жыл бұрын

talk about a lot of pressure on the chef...sheesh!!!

"Make sure you debate how I want you to debate" - the definition of a dictatorship.

I got Oliver Cromwell vibes

@smoochym

5 жыл бұрын

Something that wasn't lost on Cromwell's critics at the time, John Milton even directly quotes Juvenal; "we too gave advice to Sulla, now we give it to the people."

@Lightingwarrior

4 жыл бұрын

Of course both men took power through military force after a civil war and became dictator of their nation and marched troops into senate/parliament to impose their will on the members

@adbar89

4 жыл бұрын

@UNSCForwardontodawn exactly, I was binge watching his Cromwell performance before I found this vid

@dibdap2373

4 жыл бұрын

@UNSCForwardontodawn Jewish actors have played Nazis before.

@jeffhreid

4 жыл бұрын

Didn’t end well for Sulla or Cromwell.

Harris and Walken...two great actors

Richard Harris playing Sulla doing a Marius impression

Richard Harris always steals the show when he's acting.

"I have just changed Roman Law." that line! 💪

Richard Harris always owns the senate when he walks in it.

@FilmandClips

5 жыл бұрын

Sure he does! 😎

@DedicatedSpartan

5 жыл бұрын

@@FilmandClips did it as Cromwell to (parliament)

@Rendell001

4 жыл бұрын

Does this mean that Richard Harris owns Palpatine then?!?

No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wrong me, whom I have not repaid in full.” -Lucius Cornelius Sulla, self-written epitaph

"I have just changed Roman law" Chilling

@tebellokhala9801

Жыл бұрын

Pray I don't change it again. 🤣

Dumbledore is pretty pissed.

"You have nothing to fear your not on my list" I wish I had a classics teacher.

Spoiler: The food was not good

Sad fact: Sulla's actor died before the series was released.

@Vampirewolfking

4 жыл бұрын

And they also had to replace him with Michael Gambon in Harry Potter films.

@yngvebalmsteen9174

4 жыл бұрын

Why did he die so abruptly?

@Lorgar64

4 жыл бұрын

@@yngvebalmsteen9174 Lymphoma.

@koalabandit9166

4 жыл бұрын

Sulla did too.

@thechosenone1533

2 жыл бұрын

Not surprising. He was barely hanging on in this scene.

Harris is such a legend

Regardless of his misrepresentation Sulla Richard Harris was one of the finest actors ever! He could have played any Greek or Roman or Egyptian with flair… he just read the script he was given .. But this really does bring you into the full movie right away

Sulla would not have said that to Metellus. Metellus was one of his strongest allies and most reliable Legates. Metellus was courageous enough to ask because he knew that.

@Cleeon

9 ай бұрын

Also, Metelleus is from optimates party, their family was aristocratic

Beyond the historical inaccuracies dealing with the persons shown in the scene, the legionaries are outfitted completely wrong for the time frame. During the first century BC legionaries would be wearing chainmail, and a Montefortino-type helmet.

@royalhero4608

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I hate it when people depict Caesar's veterans in lorica segmentata etc. Give me lorica hamata and plumed Montefortino helmets any day!

@williamalfonso1373

4 жыл бұрын

it was a TV mini series, prob low budget and had to make due with what they had on hand.

@bolshoefeodor6536

4 жыл бұрын

Or more likely the Coolius Helm? But for sure mail jerkins. And the gladius hispaniensis.

@JOhnDoe-nl4wj

4 жыл бұрын

and they spoke english instead of latin, totally inaccurate!

@solinvictus39

4 жыл бұрын

@@JOhnDoe-nl4wj Different issue. You can't teach the whole production to speak proper Latin, as no one alive even knows what it sounded like. You CAN have the production wear the proper attire and use the proper weapons, because we have archaelogical evidence of those things.

I love this scene. Richard Harris is amazing

Richard Harris was about 72 (he looks older) when he played Lucius Sulla here. Sulla was only 60 when he died.

@jstrahan2

4 жыл бұрын

@Zfast4you : Well, they would look about as good. :)

The hatred between Marius & Sulla spilled out across Rome into one of the nastiest civil wars of the Republic. Its good to see pivotal Roman figures such as Cato & Sulla portrayed by heavyweights like Walken & the late Harris. Well done! And yes Sulla did put up proscription list of his enemies that included Senators,equestrians & commoners. By the second time Sulla took Rome Marius was dead,and Sullas vetern army defeated his son. The amazing thing is Sulla gave up the dictatorship & retired! Caesar later criticized Sulla for surrendering power. But Sulla died at home in his bed,Caesar died from stab wounds from Senators at the foot of a statue of Pompey.

It doesn't matter what emperor Richard Harris plays, he's always good at it.

@anonymousskunk

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think the Empire had yet been formed.

@jeangove01

Жыл бұрын

This is the Roman Republic still, and Harris is playing Sulla, a Consul and a Dictator of Rome. He's being portrayed as accusing the Senate as not being representative of the people but he belonged to the Optimates "party" and wouldn't have cared about such a thing - for him the Senate would have been an aristocratic institution, and in any case, his strongest opponents were from the Populares side.

@joaosusano845

Жыл бұрын

Sulla wasn't an emperor, but I get your point

Cato was 13 years old at this time(Sulla's civil war) Why is he a senator These filmmakers always portray Cato to be older than he should be (HBO rome too) so that they can give him the archetype of old conservative aristocrat even though he was 5 yrs younger than Caesar & 11 years younger than Pompey and he was born in a plebian (albeit rich) family

@Cleeon

9 ай бұрын

What's? I just know Cato is from plebeian family?

* Is this legal? - I will make it legal.

@yngvebalmsteen9174

4 жыл бұрын

Such an amazing actor.

Caesar! I think I have a fever! and the cure... is more cowbell.

To be fair most senators did their time in the legions and as governors and functionaries in the provinces. While prestigious and lucrative they were not all orgies and wine.

@taroman7100

4 жыл бұрын

yes, I get so sick and tired of how Rome has been presented by Hollywood

@TheFenny

4 жыл бұрын

As much as I liked this movie, I have to agree with you. So many historical inaccuracies in it

@lucianosantucci108

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe not all orgies and wine - perhaps mostly wine and some orgies.

@raymondjurie9047

4 жыл бұрын

They all did spend time in the military, not so much as legionnaires, but their entry level was sort of like starting at Lieutenant and being a junior officer. And it wasn't most of the Senatorial class it was all in the Republic. Although someone like Cicero had a very short military career and made his name in the law courts. Making a name for yourself as a military leader was the most common way to achieve the Dignitas and Fama to run for high office. Having a big name like coming from the family of the Caecilii Metelli or Cornelii Scipiones was vitally important to. Although as others above have pointed out the Novus Homo like Marius won high office too.

@raymondjurie9047

4 жыл бұрын

@Gary Daniel Well when you take into account the patronage/clientelia system that was practiced at the time, it's not too dissimilar in many ways.

"....Dumbledore said calmly"

By all accounts and measures the Romans had the most sophisticated form of government at the time, one that prevailed to be the basis for all modern societies to come.

"What this senate needs, is more cowbell" -Cato

The only guy who treated Senate this way was Emperor Maximinus Thrax, brutal savage of low birth, and he never met Senate or was in Rome (his head was). Some Emperors however openly mocked the Senate, like Caligula (yes, he did it real) and Commodus.

@marcoslaureano5562

2 жыл бұрын

Commodus was not the sniveling politician that historians have made him out to be. Not at ALL. He merely hated the backstabbing politics of the senate as he grew up watching them closely. He obviously, as a gladiator, preferred to face his enemies head on. I believe this is why he mocked them openly. The first couple of years of Commodus reign went much the way his father's reign went. The senate AND their HISTORIANS hated him.

Excellent performances and cinematography. I have never seen this movie but will see it now.

Ah yes, Roman soldiers wearing Lorica Segmentata armor a full 100 years too early, Cato in the Senate chatting with Sulla at a time when he would have been a child, smells like Hollywood

@BattlestarGenesis

2 жыл бұрын

yeah that was bugging me too

@filipkozon2182

2 жыл бұрын

Try Storm before the storm by Mike Duncan, it is excellent

@HCProds1

2 жыл бұрын

Christ you must be fun at parties. Its a film mate, get over it

@felipitofeliciano8652

Жыл бұрын

Cato the elder was a contemporary of Sulla. Cato the younger was a contemporary of Caesar. Both Cato’s were relative. Father and son.

@pyry1948

Жыл бұрын

take it easy, if these films get a single man of simple mind to read history for themselves, it was worth it to make.

For a minute I thought this was some kind of deleted scene from Gladiator.

Metellus: "Please excuse me - I have to go to the vomitorium".

@Serai3

4 жыл бұрын

Something interesting out in the hallway?

@adventussaxonum448

4 жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 Ha! Nice one!

3:56 "I can`t possibly kill everyone so I will kill only you" Numbnuts`s bigmouth got him killed. If I was a Senator when Sulla came in I would stay seated,never meet Sullas`s gaze and try to make myself as "small" as possible, would`nt you?

Rome needs more Cow Bells!!!

@michaelwilliams369

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 You beat me to it!

@Conan_the_Based

4 жыл бұрын

*stabs Caesar through marble column* "We ratify your consulship loud and clear."

@joelcriollo5919

4 жыл бұрын

I was searching for this comment

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHERING MOVIE,

Dankeschön

Sulla is so good in this scene

This was very good! I’m curious to watch the movie now

This is so good.

The actors all bring back images of past movies like Gladiator, Batman, The Deer Hunter, James Bond A View To A Kill, Harry Potter, all at the same time.

I'm still a fan of Claudius. How crafty he was to assume power in the way he did.

welp, that sure was intimidating.

I love this scene. I love it! :D

"Talking about the queen again Bob? On independence day!"

@EricWilke1141987

4 жыл бұрын

I guess you think i'm kicking you Bob? But it ain't so!!

That's a good representation of the Senate house which still stands.

@John-tc9gp

4 жыл бұрын

The senate house which stands today is not the same building. It was built long after the time when this scene is set

This is an excellent movie.

So Marcus Arelius's ancestor was Sulla?

I'm sorry, am I watching "Cromwell" again?

“SULLA???” (Lawrence Olivier ala ‘Spartacus’ injection🤣)

Oh look, another movie where Richard Harris bursts into a senate/parliament and takes over.

Oliver Cromwell stormed the SENATE!!!

Christopher Walken playing as a Roman senator....well I've seen everything now.

@timhallas4275

4 жыл бұрын

My first thought too.

@pentuplove6542

4 жыл бұрын

You never watch him as a gangster of New York. Federal USA is modelled on Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece. Federal USA does allow a few Plebs in to give the illusion of a Constutional Republic with strong ties with Democracy, yet it isnt a Real Democracy. Switzerland is a real Democracy. Federal USA has Congressmen and Congresswomen and the same for Senators casting votes for absent members who are paid for being absent. Federal USA Government run by gangsters, traitors, child molesters and criminals. Who will rarely if ever be jailed or executed for their crimes.

@Taffer-bx7uc

4 жыл бұрын

@@pentuplove6542 Wut...

@fernandoduarte8067

4 жыл бұрын

Isnt this the guy that danced in a music video?

@timhallas4275

4 жыл бұрын

@@fernandoduarte8067 this is the guy who played Russian Roulette with the Vietcong in the movie the Deer Hunter. This is the guy who told the king of the jungle story in Pool Hall Junkies.

Julius Caesar, now there was a real man and leader. You can bet if there was TV in those days the common people would have been cheering him on.

Looks really good for a direct to video movie.

we need our army to march on Washington senate and do this right now in 2021 !

Wasn't Sulla a conservative? He was not a populist.

@El-Silver

4 жыл бұрын

He was but in the later years as during the early days the man fought against the Senate power for the benefit of the state but when he was finished he was worried that others would replicate him .

The Duck of Death striking fear in the heart of wretched polititians...

@OdintheGermanShepherd

4 жыл бұрын

Walter LOLOLOL Classic!!!

@leroyhovatter7051

4 жыл бұрын

It's the Duke the Duke of death. Nevermind.

Wow, actual acting from a time when the cult of celebrity didn't loom over everything.

@Piterdeveirs333

4 жыл бұрын

The movie isn't that old

@yngvebalmsteen9174

4 жыл бұрын

@@Piterdeveirs333 Still. Acting is dead now, seemingly overshadowed by hype and clout.

Ahh poor Richard. He could deliver lines like an eel to water.

Love Richard Harris

Remember the Golden Rule: "He who holds the Power, makes the rules.".

@ajc564

4 жыл бұрын

Thought it was "He who has the Gold, Makes the rules"

@chevalierjd

4 жыл бұрын

@@ajc564 Probably so... sentiment is the same for all tyrants.

Masters of interpretation

Gentlemen! An immovable senate is more obnoxious than an immovable Emperor!

We are the people!

RICHARD Harris !!! AS LUCIUS !!!Sulla 😔And OLIVER Cromwell !!!! A MASTER Of MENACE !!! & An Actor SUPREME g

Sulla looks too old in this version. He should be around 50s at that time

@CrniWuk

4 жыл бұрын

And Kato should be a child.

Not sure about the historical accuracy here, but the acting was extraordinary. The dread and angst of suddenly being under a true tyrant's thumb was palpable and immediate.

Richard Harris=BADASS🙌😁👍

The tragic of the Roman republic lies within the blind spot of ancient times: Economy. Success was limited to and exained by military virtue and agricultural business. The economical changes that accompagnied Romes growth could hardly be recognized by a value system like the Roman one.

It’s very sensible to keep 1’s mouth firmly shut and observe

I understand artistic license, but what would have been so hard about making this even vaguely conform to history? Oh I guess whoever wrote this would have needed to actually learn Roman history...

@andrewdeshazo9343

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that when I watched. That portrayal of Caesar sounded nothing like the man that was. For all of Caesar's self-interest and ambition, he was not tempestuous and evil as .he is portrayed here. I don't recall reading that he ever made a direct threat on Cicero's life. I can't imagine that he would have ever made such a reckless risk, killing Rome's most famous statesman. Haven't seen this film, and I won't see any more of it than I already have.

@EbonAvatar

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdeshazo9343 You have it all wrong. Harris is portraying Sulla in this scene, not Caesar. That other senator he threatened was not Cicero.

@andrewdeshazo9343

4 жыл бұрын

@@EbonAvatar I am very wrong then! That all sounded exactly like Sulla. :D

@EbonAvatar

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdeshazo9343 no worries! Always glad to nerd out over Roman history with other fans. Sulla is a really underrated historical figure I think. So interesting and so comparatively little-known to most people

Even as a guy who loves historical costume pieces and Christopher Walken, this was some batshit insane miscasting.

@markgundle4150

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher Walken is never miscast.

@1PJ7

4 жыл бұрын

They, should, have had him, speak, Latin. That way, nobody, could even tell.

Sulla was protrayed as a wanton sadist. However, Gaius Julius Caesar's death showed that he wasn't sadistis, but realistic. Caesar was so unrealistically eager to be friends with everybody again after defeating them in battle and destroying their ideals that it ended up killing him. Sulla knew better, and so did Octavian.

@thescholarlychronicler1805

3 жыл бұрын

The1980Philip -- I shall add and challenege. Julius was a populist and wanted the approval of the people, it fuelled his ambitions. That unrealistic eagerness was a consistent PR move to seem generous and lenient. By constantly making friends he wanted to seem the nice guy, and stay in power. Sulla and Octavion weren't interested in playing that game to the same extent as Julius.

@LeeTiller

Жыл бұрын

Like Chronicler said Caesar wanted to spare as many senators as he could so as to preserve all the senators since they were sort of celeberties of their days and held influence and support. pr moves and preserving the senate

Sulla.....the first who showed Pompey , Ceaser and Marcus Anthonius the way ...

*Fun Fact* Sulla was actually an ally of the conservatives on the Senate (The Optimates), which was the majority of them and only the The liberals (The Populares) along the tribunes that feared Sulla because the are allies of Marius in the senate, So most of them find their names on the Proscription (Sulla's Black List)

Evil Dumbledore :D

Walken is the man!

Walker!One of my favorite actor!But see him as A Roman counsel? Shiiiiittttt!!!

Richard Harris, Sulla meeting Richard Harris, Cromwell would be interesting.