Let me know what you think of this new trend?

I have a waydoo flyer one plus. "levelness" awareness can indeed be challenging. A lot of times I'll hear the wing starting to breach out of water as signal to shift front down. But, I still don't want a psuedo boeing 737 max auto gyro forcing me up or down....

Mike, Thank you for the video... My understanding is that Waydoo's sensors are towards the nose and vary motor output before prop breech, so a different approach than self-stabized as referenced in the title of this video. Closer to the mast there are two down facing LED lights.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

That is correct. Different approach to get the same goal of stabilizing the riding

I have been teaching newbies to ride efoils for years. There are many challenges to learning to ride, all can be overcome in a single session with good coaching. We have a 93% success rate for 1st time riders to get on to foil safely and confidently. The other 7% had obstacles that they couldn't overcome in their first session, including balance, fear, and fitness. Handle bars can help. Inflatable collars can help. Mechanical stabilizers can help. IMHO, getting through the short learning curve is important, but then you need to have complete freedom to ride the efoil the way you want to, with or without stabilizers. Life is short. Have a little fun everyday!

@ep2043

Ай бұрын

Glad to find you here ! My first efoil experience was with you, two years ago. Been wanting an e-foil since then. Last week finally pulled the plug and brought a flite-board pro.

@hawaiiefoil

Ай бұрын

@@ep2043 Congrats! I am sure you will live your best life on your new efoil. Can you share with me why you chose a Flite rather than another brand? As you may have heard me say... "this activity is HIGHLY addictive!"

@ep2043

Ай бұрын

@@hawaiiefoil I think the only three brands worth considering is flite, lift, and waydoo. Waydoo is a Chinese brand. They might have good reputation but still don't have the same quality/support as lift or flite. So, it's really between lift and flite. Lift, and flite are at the same price point so it really comes down to small details. Flite seems like a better engineer board. Only two power connections, motor is at the bottom of the mast, battery tech seems better too. Overall I think flite innovates more. I think lift mast might be better, as it is carbon fiber while flite is aluminun, which is heavier. Lift offer the blowfish, which is an added perk if you want to share your board.

@hawaiiefoil

Ай бұрын

@@ep2043 I don't disagree with you. I am a Lift rep. I chose to work with Lift because of its history in the foiling industry. My personal focus with the efoil is to ride waves. The Lift tech supports wave riding 100%. From the folding prop, to the trigger control, to the foil combinations and mast sizes, Lift fulfills every bit of my desire to wave ride. We can even downwind on the Lift efoil, which is a special treat. In the end, as long as your efoil gets you out on the water having a good time, then you are improving your life in so many ways. Have fun out there!!

@ep2043

Ай бұрын

@@hawaiiefoilI heard Efoils got banned in Hawaii. Did that ever happen ? Do people like to surf with Efoil in their line-up ? Just curious about this.

thank you for pointing out the red flags with X-FOIL they sent me very misleading LOUNCH notifications they wanted immediate $4000.00 I did not buy in , there was no LAUNCH , is no no EX-FOIL

I don’t see the appeal. Local efoil place just posted video yesterday of 70 year old getting up on foil after 30 minutes of first lesson. I thought a one-wheel type gyro balance assist via acceleration and deceleration might be helpful for beginners but adding all the moving parts sounds like a maintenance nightmare

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

Great point

Nice, i am buying a Evo performance with the 89cm mast. Sold my Carver 2 this week.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

Good choice!

Hey Mike, now that Get Foil is out of business I'm trying to get my remote into debug mode or developer mode Do you remember any of the steps?

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

You can ask Jeremy instagram.com/efoillakepowell?igsh=c2hycmgwdWFubWVu

@sc5102day

Ай бұрын

I have been in contact with him just seeing what info you might remember.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

I hope he can help. I never had this board myself, I only saw it once when I visited Jeremy to test it

With all respect falling to water and LEARning how to adjust your stance its BIG part of efoiling. Maybe seft adjust is good for people who have some type of injuries and rentals places.

@xfoil

Ай бұрын

Xfoil 2 with dynamic wings will allow beginners to ride like intermediate quickly. Intermediate to advanced riders will enjoy doing maneuvers no other efoil can achieve with our "Super Maneuverability."

@Benyzland

Ай бұрын

@@xfoil would be interesting to try your product one day.

@xfoil

Ай бұрын

​@@Benyzland We'll be doing a tour with Xfoil 2. Where are you based?

@Benyzland

Ай бұрын

@@xfoil Finland, but if you go to Germany then maybe i can come. Lets see

@PLXDevices

Ай бұрын

@@Benyzland We love Finland. We have many dealers from our automotive division there and in Germany as well. We'll try to make it out to you!

How bout a stabilising front wing like the aquaskipper?

@PLXDevices

Ай бұрын

The front wing and tail are stabalized. It reacts 1000 times faster than any human.

@noobsaibot5285

Ай бұрын

@@PLXDevices do you know what I talking about?

@noobsaibot5285

Ай бұрын

@@PLXDevices what I meant was that the front wing on the aquaskipper will automatically level while cruising and will also accentuate the pumping motion (through the flexible hinge point on the front wing)

I think market trends is budget boards to get people into the system or expensive boards for experts to ride. I don't see who needs a high cost beginner only board, it seems like this tech will need crazy RnD and I don't think the market is there.

@PLXDevices

Ай бұрын

We have a base model fully carbon fiber for $3999. (Retails for $12,000).

@Shrek881

Ай бұрын

@@PLXDevices So at the 12k price point, you're in the same ballpark as flite/lift prices, which obviously have a proven track record of reliability, customer service, and warranty support. When you're buying a toy this expensive, those things I listed above tend to matter more than new gimmicks like the self stabilization. I feel like we're about to witness GETFOIL2.0 here

@miles2309

Ай бұрын

@@PLXDevicesidk why a beginner would opt for that over Fliteboard air + lesson cost.

Not sure if this will have legs.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

Lets see!

@xfoil

Ай бұрын

We're 20+ years in business with award winning products. It will have nice long, fast legs. :) But that's not what you want to hear on this thread right JetSurfNation? It's more fun to do biased negative reviews.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

I am not biased at all, i am independent of any brand and just want to make people discuss issues openly and find solutions! I am glad you decided to help the customers after my video which makes me happy it was a good call. Also I didn’t do review of your products. I only overview what is on the market for stabilized efoils… 🍻

Lots of false information about XFoil here. XFoil is based in Silicon Valley, California (Not China). The dynamic wings/tail can be interchanged (not sure how you missed that especially when you yourself scrolled back and forth on the video that showed it). All the comparisons facts are verifiable and true. The bladder comment is irrelevant. The "lower cost" efoils doesn't have the range and runtime capability. At the end of the video a Chinese manufacturer is mentioned to have stability. It doesn't show anything related to dynamic stability at all... We're happy to answered questions about XFoil here.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏 glad you stand by your product and I hope you prove your skeptics wrong!!! Cheers 🍻 Just do more verified independent testing to win trust!

@xfoil

Ай бұрын

@@JetSurfingNation Please do your homework before putting out information that isn't true. If you need clarity on topics, please reach out to us, we will be happy to explain.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

Yes that’s the whole point of open discussion is to cover concerns in an open manner! I am glad to be proven wrong, that’s why I welcome your comments here and on e surfer forum

@xfoil

Ай бұрын

@@JetSurfingNation Open discussion yes, no problem. Manufacturing false information lacks integrity. How did you arrive that our company was Chinese despite us being in business for 20+ years based in Silicon Valley, California. We're American, our CEO is American. Now you have the views, congratulations at the expense of your integrity.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

Because the product produced in China and there is nothing wrong with it. You have to be honest and transparent to win trust. Iphone is not hiding the fact it’s made in China!

If you have the option to turn the Gyro stabilizing on and off, then you can have the best of both worlds and experiment. Instead of criticizing boards that are indigogo, someone needs to actually order one and do a real review instead of just criticizing! Everyone is a critic, but if you haven’t actually been able to ride the board, you can’t really talk about it adequately.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

Someone unfortunately ordered xfoil and see what happened just as i worried he received total junk forum.e-surfer.com/t/xfoil-3-in-1-efoil-jetboard/2368/14

@Libertyforall1776

Ай бұрын

@@JetSurfingNation PLX Devices who makes XFoil is based out of California, they are co-located near Apple, manufacturing is overseas. The guy who is posting on that blog has no pictures and no video so there’s no way to know if it’s real or just a troll. If the issues are truly as bad as he says they are, he should be making a video.

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

I don’t have any reason to doubt it. It’s not customers job to do videos. It’s xfoil who should have done many independent testings before selling it. However in 2 years since launch of their kickstarter we have not seen any. The only video they made was quickly removed for strange reasons saying fliteboard asked to remove it but fliteboard said they didn’t… shady stuff.. co located near apple?? What that even mean 😭

@xfoil

Ай бұрын

The gyro sensitivity can be adjusted with the user interface. Adjustments can be made to noise cancelation and "super handling" amplification. Super handling is when a rider's input is amplified. It feels like changing wings from a large wing to a small wing on the fly.

@xfoil

Ай бұрын

@@JetSurfingNation "Total junk" lol. Xfoil 1 works. Xfoil 2 is the best board by far. Lighter, faster, stronger, with dynamic wings. All concerns have been answered line item by line item.

Removes the fun….

@JetSurfingNation

Ай бұрын

But it’s for beginners?

@BeenatTV

Ай бұрын

@@JetSurfingNation still

@miles2309

Ай бұрын

@@JetSurfingNation I think Flitescooter is good enough. If your buying one you don't want a board only for beginners, you want one you can grow with. At the very least it isn't for the type of person who actively follows an Efoil youtuber.

More dreamers that will lose money on their entrepreneurial fantasies