Can't wait for New (New(New)) New (New) New New (New(New(New))) Sadako

@ZeFluffyKnight

3 ай бұрын

Average ThatsGoodSports video title.

@georgegarcia9738

3 ай бұрын

Seeing that many new’s makes it look like thats not how you spell it lol

@MashtyxYank

3 ай бұрын

@@ZeFluffyKnight shoutout to the 3 people who understood that reference (I do and its funny as fuck lmao)

@godlyvex5543

3 ай бұрын

woah hey careful with the triple parentheses

BHVR really put the 'Sad' back in Sadako.

@gredezy

3 ай бұрын

hi pyrax

@lastboss4268

3 ай бұрын

the sad hasn't been in sadako??

@SentryWill

3 ай бұрын

ako

@JakeobE

3 ай бұрын

Pyramid head mains don't deserve rights (someone has to say it).

@Joeysworldtour315

3 ай бұрын

Yesh because survivors complained it wasn’t ”fun” to go against.

scott really puts the grim in the embrace

@tfcbioshock

3 ай бұрын

Scott mid hug: 😐

It pisses me off so much that there's a third closing parenthesis in the title when there are only 2 opening ones holy

@VeilInfinity

3 ай бұрын

With no way to yell at Scott, yeah, wanna punch a hole in the wall.

I would love it if Sadako could phase through stuff, it makes sense and it would be a nice chase buff. Like pallets,windows, maybe breakable walls too. Seeing her phase through a breakable wall would be pretty freaky lol

@Johnnyyoo1

3 ай бұрын

I enjoy that idea since she manifest through the TV in the films so so must be able to move through objects to an extent. I be believing tho the windows and walls don’t make much sense, or would be a technical nightmare to develop. A simple one I’d like to see is she could phase through pallets, it’s simple and a big buff to her kit.

@SneakyAlba

3 ай бұрын

@@Johnnyyoo1 wouldn't that turn her into PTB Chucky? Just walk through the pallet and manifest on the other side

@Johnnyyoo1

3 ай бұрын

@@SneakyAlba basically, but considering her kit is lackluster any benefits to her chase potential can only be a positive one

@wheremybike

3 ай бұрын

@@Johnnyyoo1to be honest phasing through stuff ain’t that hard to make, it’s easier than programming *not* phasing through stuff lmao

@kitanat9944

3 ай бұрын

I would only be okay with this if she only passively phased while demanifested and had a much clearer manifesting animation like Wraith’s. Otherwise a cool but difficult to implement idea.

I really like new sadako. I think it's great we're having a killer who makes up for a poor and way more survivor-mistake reliable chase ability by having excellent map mobility and built-in slowdown. She's still counterable AF, but at least in most average pub games I can enjoy m1 killer experience without worrying too much about gens flying by.

@ivo8150

3 ай бұрын

Not many other kinds of games besides pubs anyway

@graphitedrizzle

3 ай бұрын

And honestly I'm a little afraid of her chase power becoming TOO strong (and by "strong" I mean "decent.") Condemnation is really hard to balance around, and I think it's ok if she has this really powerful macro gameplay and hit-and-run potential with gimmicky and inconsistent chase potential to compensate.

@Epitafffio

3 ай бұрын

@@graphitedrizzle i like the direction they went with making condemn more consistent but only where it's not as gamebreaking. she's way closer to pyramid head with his finisher mori rather than having condemn as a win condition.

@dineez627

3 ай бұрын

@@Epitafffio The efficient way to play her is still slugging combined with condemning. So if going against a sweat your getting slugged.

@Epitafffio

3 ай бұрын

@@dineez627 so? That's the efficient way to play any killer who isn't oppressive in chase. All killers eventually get reduced to tunnelling/camping/slugging machines at peak (sweaty) performance. No other way around.

The thing about sadako that I really hate is that weak or strong, I'd still probably play her. But with how many changes she's had, I don't even know how her power works now and THAT discourages me.

@sillylilstella

3 ай бұрын

I somewhat understood her original version. I barely understood her initial rework. And now I have no clue how she works. It's weird.

New Sadako XL Deluxe & Knuckles featuring Dante from Devil May Cry

0:38 I'm glad those strange misses don't just happen to me. Sometimes I'm not sure whether it's just my mouse sperging around or if it's some kind of bug the community is unaware of.

@anettelma123

3 ай бұрын

I would say I had them more when I was playing Sadako than on any other killer lol. Maybe because of her hight idk (before FOV changes)

@Brutes_

3 ай бұрын

i think its just the autoaim idk why they dont have an option to turn off autoaim

@tripleberrycheesecake

3 ай бұрын

this started happening to me recently and i assumed it was due to the FOV increase but idk

I agree wholeheartedly. I really hate how everyone expects every killer to have god tier anti loop chase powers, I think for the sake of variety it's better to have killers like sadako who focus on slowdown and map pressure over chases. I think this is the closest to perfect we're gonna get with sadakos design.

theres an extra right bracket there scott

@ScottJund

3 ай бұрын

the actual video title is (Scott's Thoughts on New (New(New))) Sadako - Dead by Daylight

@MacaroniMan_

3 ай бұрын

Not nearly enough brackets add a few more ​@@ScottJund

@larsliamvilhelm

3 ай бұрын

​@@MacaroniMan_Uhm akshully those are parentheses, not brackets!! ☝️🤓

I think one change that went overlooked with her is that while demanifested, you can still continue chase. Because of this change, you can actually use demanifest to absorb pallets while actively in chase, meaning that chaining to a window isn't safe anymore either. Ever since Nic Cage, while demanifested you cannot be stunned by pallets. Someone who abuses this change is going to find exceptional results in chases due to the lack of slowdown while manifesting, as she still has the hinder add-on when manifesting within 7m.

@AaronG.

3 ай бұрын

This is why brutal strength is insane on her because you can just eat a pallet drop and break it super fast and just continue the chase

@dachieclippz9826

3 ай бұрын

"Ever since her release, while demanifested you cannot be stunned by pallets." This is not true this was new with the nicolas cage PTB rework for her.

@Cracken_

3 ай бұрын

Her hinder add-on is garbage. It slows survivors down by 3% for 3 seconds. For context, Clown's bottles slow survivors down by 15% for 2.5 seconds. And he can still struggle to catch up to survivors chaining loops. Sadako's chase potential is bad. But at least her slowdown is much better now.

@DillonMeyer

3 ай бұрын

@@dachieclippz9826 Thanks for the correction, edited to reflect.

Sadako has to be played hit and run, she is a hit and run monster. If you like chases and taking good ones, she is not the killer for you. Glad to see Slugdako back in the well though, slugging with iri tape was so broken

Concept of Sadako: you look at TV, get cursed, die. Or pass a tape around and don't die. Why the ever loving f*ck do people expect her to have a chase gameplay ? It's the first killer with a really different gameplay since...ever ? And people want her nerfed into an M1 killer that has to give chase. Ok but no, her gameplay is the condemn mechanic, that's the whole concept of this character...

You should see if you can do the community killer review thing again, those were awesome

It's getting kind of difficult to stay up to date with all these changes to her. I especially feel for the really casual players who have no idea about all the changes she has gone through.

her chase is good when you play along with her invisibilty aspects

Sadako can generate lose/lose scenarios at pallets better than most killers in the game. You can time your demanifest so if they pre-drop, you don't get stunned. If they wait too long, you end up on the same side of the pallet as them and can finish your demanifest and hit them, or, very rarely, they can perfectly time the pallet so you get stunned perfectly at the end of Demanifest. This only takes one loop to accomplish and should be mastered by anyone playing Sadako.

Could let her phase through pallets and doors at the same speed as Wesker vaults.

I get why they had to change condemn spam Sadako, but a chase-focused Sadako is always going to be pretty mid, IMO. I kinda liked that the condemn heavy version at least gave her a unique playstyle even if it ended up being unhealthy for the game in the long run. I'm worried she's gonna end up being "meh" for most of the game's life cycle because people hated slugging condemn Sadako so much that they don't really care what happens to her as long as that playstyle is dead.

@MagicNash89

3 ай бұрын

I enjoyed her with the condemn spam as survivor to be honest, it pressures you in a unique way

@SolidRazo

3 ай бұрын

I think how she is perfect her condemn playstyle shouldn’t be a thing but should just something that happens through out the game while you chase and teleport to gens to patrol Her chase being on the “weaker”side is perfectly okay, because it’s compensated with teleporting as her map pressure and her condemn which acts like a slowdown which is the healthiest way of fixing her power And now that she’s in a healthy state they can buff her pretty easily to make her more enjoyable to play and more stronger if necessary

@viennasavage9110

3 ай бұрын

​@SolidRazo I think you missed the point of the post. The issue is that she's basically a teleporting pig. Condemn added something unique and now they're taking it away.

She is literally perfect right now to me. The healthiest and most fun she's ever been for both sides. Super simple counter-play and lots of things you can do playstyle-wise now. The one thing I don't like is how they kinda went back on the lock-in condemn change since that PROMOTED not slugging because you wanna lock in the condemn. Now with that feature being pretty much useless I find myself slugging a lot more again with her. But other than that I adoreeee it.

3 ай бұрын

the bug fix patch from a few days ago made it 3 stacks locked per hook. im not sure if you were accounting for that but letting you know in case thats good news o7

@dachieclippz9826

3 ай бұрын

@ I am accounting for that but its still not worth it in trade of giving them access to ds, dead hard, bt, etc. And on second hook when it goes to 6 that doesnt even matter because if they go down after second hook they're dead anyway usually

A fun idea to get her chase a bit better but not make it super strong when the condemn is high is to tie her passive invisibility duration during chase to the condemn level of the survivor your chasing. So if you chase a survivor with zero stacks you're granted a longer duration of invisibility. However chasing a survivor with max stacks would grant almost no invisibility

I will never Prestige Up my Sadako nor play her. I never cared for her. For 1 simple reason: I can't ready up/ spend my bloodpoints on her without shitting my pants everytime she jumpscares me. I'm not proud of it but that's how it is.

@autumnull

3 ай бұрын

Rotate her to the side so that it is obvious she isn't facing you in the menu. She will rotate back towards you when she is going to jumpscare, so just alt tab or look away when she turns towards you! then she will rotate back to the side :)

Ive been thinking about the "issue" on tunneling. Gen rushing is just doing the objective, but when tunneling is involved its something that "you dont need to do", which should be true for both but people dont seem to use them enterchangably. This rubs me the wrong way because it almost puts people under the notion that a survivor can do no wrong, which is what the devs seem to be thinking. The devs keep adding stuff that works with tunneling, making tunneling significantly effective while nerfing killers as a whole to specifically mitigate their design mistakes. With this in mind, I thought of a new mechanic: Paranoia. Basekit: a for 60 seconds after being unhooked, your generator speed is slowed significantly. Think about how this will change the game. The optimal play will change from "tunneling out the weakest link" To "Hook all the survivors as soon as possible" Im really excited about this one because it honestly sounds like a win win for everyone. A killer who hooks more survivors will actually be rewarded for once, and the best part is this doesn't make killers who need to tunnel to play optimally against high MMR suffer for existing. Instead of making the entire room weaker, we can just make specifically the "healthier" playstyle stronger.

V2 Onryo could Get you fully condemned in 127sec (assuming survivors don't counterplay). The Newest one (assuming they don't counterplay condemned) can do it in about 30-35sec. Thats obviously a magical christmas land example, buuuuuut I feel buffing her chase TOO much is a little too much everything, combined with the Inexorable Stare potential. It's as you said, similar to Pig, and Pig can't have remote-murder AND insane chase too.

"sup Peter? How do you like the new new?"-electro

They probably wont touch sadeko again for a while, but i had an idea for a downside to holding onto tapes: the more people that are holding tapes, the faster TVs turn back on. Or make ring drawing basekit and rework the addon?

reminds me of the "New" 3ds

I've always been a huge fan of playing Sadako since her release. She's really close to being decent in my opinion, and I love this new version of her. HOWEVER, I agree that something else in chase would be great. My idea right now is, since Sadako has to hook survivors now to apply more condemned, maybe give her some action speed when they are holding a tape, or, like Scott said, being able to manifest through pallets is an interesting suggestion.

The thing is, Sadako does have some chase power outside of her TVs. (I hardly even ever use her TVs as a chase tool, it's more like something I can use to cut someone off from an area and force them to go to say, a weaker area of the map) Anyhow, ITS HER INVISIBILITY. It just lets you mindgame, which isn't always reliable, but it shifts things in her favor. Reiko's watch and old newspaper, which increase her invis in and out of demanifestation, allows her to use her invis with more viability at more loops. Sadako's invisibility isn't a traditional form of anti loop, but it's a power that can be used in chase all the same, and a decent one at that. The ability to mind-game any loop with a greater degree of success is something unique to her as an m1 killer and is *heavily* overlooked imo. Like, you mentioned making The Game easier, but the thing is, that's one of the better maps for her. Aside from making condemn easier because multiple floors, a lot of the loops aside from the god pallets of course, are very mind-gameable with her invisibility. If they wanna make Sadako's chase better, they just need to make reiko's watch and old newspaper basekit.

@xaven2877

3 ай бұрын

I know what you're trying to say but if you're build is around her being invisible and getting a hit you're just making her a more accessible, easier to play (albeit weaker) Spirit with more map control. Is it a mind game when you're relying on a passive ability that just kinds of works out? Scott typically thinks "chase powers" that is luck based on the survivor part boring to play against. Making those add ons base kit would just make people hate Sadako and lead to a new new new NEWER newest Sadako 😭

@cksupreme

3 ай бұрын

The intermittent invisiblility is cool except for the fact you can never tell when it's actually happening. If we knew when to time it then it'd be an actual chase power/tool in the arsenal, but as of right now it's just an unreliable effect that sometimes gets you hits not even you expect.

If you wanna see a strong sadako, check out mobile.They are usually a few patches behind… we still have global condemned but someone fudged the power and you get 2 stacks if you’re hit carrying a tape (may have been what it was on PC, idk), plus you can be condemned while bleeding out or hanging on a hook.

Personally, I think she's pretty fine to go against for the most part. Unless you're on a two floor indoor map. Then suddenly, she's the most oppressive and frustrating killer ever

At least from the 4 matches I’ve had since the patch this week, I just hate playing against her. It always ends up being the tunnel someone out with condemned, then it’s a 3v1 and she spam teleports until she can mori. Maybe I had bad matches but I got two P100s for her and they both did that 🤷🏼‍♀️

@oksnowy5085

3 ай бұрын

Guess that’s the way to play her now

@larsliamvilhelm

3 ай бұрын

​@@oksnowy5085Condemn stacks locking in is just BHVR absolutely BEGGING Onryo players to tunnel.

i personally am happy that she is closer to her original design but with buffs. now to pray they never touch her again

@graphitedrizzle

3 ай бұрын

Apart from fixing Ring Drawing...

@ywnbye

3 ай бұрын

​@@graphitedrizzlenah they can leave it as is

I tend to like longer matches, if anything because it makes Sadako (theoretically) need less regression perks since slowdown is already a part of her kit.

Have you tried her on lights out mode staying manifested, she's op again

@graphitedrizzle

3 ай бұрын

She also doesn't have a lullaby in lights out, so if you time her invisibility right you can really jumpscare people with no warning!

I like that there's some killers that're weak in the micro side of the game (the chases) but focus more on the micro side of things, in her case both with lots of map control and slowdown that forces survivors to run around, having to micromanage things and such. I like that you highlighted that she just isn't for you as not everyone has fun the same way, that's exactly why having killers with playstyles like hers is good for the game! While the chase is very fun and where the most overt skill expression is, I think some tend to tunnel-vision on that side of the game (obviously its a key factor in balance/power, but I'm moreso talking about game design and fun). I think it'd be cool if she could walk through pallets like you said, although I hope if they buff her that her chase remains the weaker side of her kit and her strengths lie elsewhere.

I think she's fun - A Freddy Main

I think she is at a good spot. She is simply not meant to be a chase oriented Killer but more of a secondary Objective Pressure + Teleport Killer

@larsliamvilhelm

3 ай бұрын

Just like Pig, but people still act as if she needs massive buffs to absolutely everything.

@kingkurasaki4095

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@larsliamvilhelmto be fair unlike sadako, pig has to actually down survivors to slow down the game and she has little to no anti loop to do so, she’s not in dire need of buffs but she definitely needs something

i was really hoping he’d say it

I was going crazy with her against swfs the other day, she’s not OP in my opinion but the built in slowdown is nice. But you gotta run a chase perk or two, like almost needed

i honestly dont understand what people mean when they said sadako is reliant on condemn for kills, i mostly do chase builds on her and it works great, i only get condemn kills when they get sloppy, which, in all fairness, could just be me at lower mmr, tbh.

even non oreo players starting to say she could be able to walk through dropped pallets now? damn. I guess it makes sense now

Last night went against a slugging condemn on The Game. She would just teleport to every single TV as soon as they were available. I was even camping one and couldn't get a tape. Doesn't help having 5head teammates who couldn't last in chase

@IRzy

3 ай бұрын

And that my friend is the problem with her

That extra parentheses in your title giving you a compile error scott

I wonder what next years sadako rework will be like... 🤔

Letting her walk through pallets would be a goated change

I don't understand why they didn't just take the Freddy/Pig route with her power, where it builds passively but slowly over time That way, they wouldn't have to worry about the killer player controlling it, and it would be more consistent

@freezerounds

3 ай бұрын

They kind of had that in her original iteration, grabbing a tape built passive condemned. She needs it back, in my opinion.

I think it's fine having longer chases and longer games, more bloodpoints :p

Did they buff sadako again?

Can we get to 7 reworks, it would be like her 7 days reference x586447845

What makes her weak in chases in comparison to other m1 killers?

@boariso3o627

3 ай бұрын

She just kinda lacks chase tools, all she has is her mind games when manifesting and her 2 second of speed when teleporting, she lacks options imo

@deadbydaylightdaily5455

3 ай бұрын

@@boariso3o627 Well, she is short and thin, to me she is one of the best m1 killers. Of course, I'm talking about pure m1. Trapper is m1 but he can place traps to shut down loops. What I am comparing here is Trapper with no traps to use and Onryo, and then I say she is one of the strongest "m1" killers

@scrapinator8898

3 ай бұрын

@@deadbydaylightdaily5455 she is not even close to other m1 killers

@taragnor

3 ай бұрын

Other M1 killers generally have anti-loop. Dredge, Clown, Trapper, etc.

@deadbydaylightdaily5455

3 ай бұрын

@@taragnor Like I said before, I'm talking about pure m1. The fact that she is short and thin makes her the best m1 killer imo

i much prefer Scott's Thoughts to Scott's Tots

Built in enduring if stunned at a pallet

@N.E.M.o777

3 ай бұрын

What?

Scott has an Syntax error in his title...

Its weird, the new Sadako has survivors booping her belly and offering their items.

She should get a slight speed boost during chase, for that survivor , depending on THEIR individual condemn stacks .

@freezerounds

3 ай бұрын

Can we stop the trend of using haste to bandaid fix killer powers?

@anthonywhitaker4332

3 ай бұрын

@mycatsnameisraya 😆😆😆 honestly I agree but I don't know what else they could do- it would give survivors incentive to get rid of their stacks because they would be at a clear disadvantage in chase🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@NameIsDoc

3 ай бұрын

I actually think we could do something more creative and make it interesting. Your passive invisibility becomes shorter the more stacks an individual survivor has. So if you have no stacks it would be like the max duration of invisibility now but at full stacks you see sadako nearly completely.

@Isaac7even

3 ай бұрын

@@NameIsDoc thats a really cool idea

@NameIsDoc

3 ай бұрын

@@Isaac7even thanks it was kinda on the spot. I felt like it would be moderately easy to implement, Circumvent the chief issues of having a strong chase with a slowdown and would add a layer to sadako and encourage multiple play styles. It also increases interactivity with her ability. Sure you can take the tape and keep your stacks low but sadako is now more invisible and thus harder to loop . Vs the risk of dying to condemn but being able to see her properly.

"she has much built in slowdown", I mean c'mon guys

I assume she's not problematic for higher level players, but she's still so miserable towards low to mid range. She literally feels kinda similar to how Skull Merchant used to be. Keep the games long, prevents gen progression. Also on smaller map with tv rng you can barely move without getting condemned (which I assume punishes heavily non coordinated survivors). Btw. about her chase power. I really recommend Telephone. That short small hindered pretty much can guarantee you a hit if you time it right (I'm surprised they didn't make it base kit, that way she would do something during chase). And it actually makes her chases interactive.

Syntax error in your title

Brave new Sadako

i like this killer her chase does still suck so it would be nice if they made tapes take 2 seconds again to turn in or if they buffed her chase up, since that extra 1 sec turning tape it would be nice through out the match saving the killer maybe like 10secs of slow down if they want onyro to be kinda like pig i still feel like she needs some more time added on her tapes cause her chase is bad. this why once survivors that played bad and only worked on gens or choose to get that gen done instead of clearing the condemn stacks and they get caught by the killer they should be punished more towards the end of the match or mid match depending on how they're playing since she isnt getting as many hooks as other killers but more condemn kills is how this killer should be when playing vs greedy survivors. she still needs a buff her chase is still extremely bad! and if your a killer with bad CHASE, survivors can just abuse certain loops vs this killer with ease, on top of that her tvs can be shut off, on top of that she can only chase somewhat near the tvs which are only located in certain areas so not all loops have them! and when tvs are shut off its even worse!. with her chase you can only get good survivors if you teleport correctly! they really need to give her some slight movements speed and her teleport to not take to long coming out of the tv, self stun is to long plenty of time for surivvors to react! way way to much time for surivvors, first they can see if the killer is behind them, if not you already know sadako TELEPORTED!, so you can already avoid it, on top of that it tells you when the killer teleports! and on top of that the killer has a decent self stun/travel time and speed. they really need to fix it so the killers can hit surivvors with ease if they run close to a tv!. i honestly think she needs some basekit movement speed that one addons gives and her teleport self stun shouldn't be as long. this will help with onryo! survivors can still deal with this by shutting tvs down so there is already HUGE COUNTER PLAY! even if the killer gets these buffs since turning a tv off automatically shuts her power down, but atm this game has to much counter play vs onyro/sadako way to much counter play vs her teleport, she still needs buffs for chase. bvhr needs to make tapes take 2seconds again or give her something more when she teleports to a tv to try and help sadako out for a m1 attack if survivor get to close to a tv.

Finally I can sit and enjoy my chicken nuggets

Another thing for Condemn Sluggers to know, is that their playstyle only existed in the first place because a big streamer figured out if you moonwalk in chase and slug instead of hook, you can spread condemn to the entire team. BHVR shouldn't have even humored that playstyle, they sure as hell didn't for release Legion, but they did, so shut up and just be glad you can still build around Condemn at all.

I got condemned in the first minute or two of an RPD match and not for lack of trying. Projection spamming seems even worse now.

The fact that the slug and condemn playstyle made it miserable for survivors is part of what made it enjoyable. Win and punish survivors at the same time, it's great!

People still trying to spam teleport, lol... it never fails they get someone to full condemn in like the first minute. GRAB A TAPE PEOPLE... TURN OFF TVS...

Scott why don't you just do 1v1s? It's pure chase and you don't have to deal with macro killers like sadako. Plus, you would improve a lot faster.

@ScottJund

3 ай бұрын

i like the macro gameplay part too. its actually the hardest thing to learn in the game

You put one too many brackets in your title. Please fix.

I think adding more chase potential gets us closer to boring and repetitive game design, many killers already have consistent anti loop abilities. Tweak the strength of her existing abilities and let survivors have the occasional m1 chase without a random baked in super speed boost and fast killer vault, it's getting really old in terms of gameplay design IMO

Feel like a good way to give her some depth is make the invs she has when manifesting last waay longer so it allows for actual mind games

i miss 1.0 sadako

sadako is B tier -scott imao

New 4x Sadako. Her chase sucks still

@abcdefghifkl

3 ай бұрын

shes not meant to have good chase shes sadako

@larsliamvilhelm

3 ай бұрын

Not every killer has to be Blight.

Lisp be like

She's not for everyone, but most people that play her are quite happy with the buffs. I think this is the healthiest version, too. Just like Pig her chase just can't be improved much before it's too much. As a returning Sadako main, I love the quality of life movement speed increases and I'm learning how to demanifest in chase to bait pallets or force them to leave the loop. Her hit and run playstyle does tend to drag games longer but she tends to be better in late game, if she has been putting on good condemn pressure. She will never be top tier but I'm glad they don't just neuter her condemn and buff her chase potential. There are a few things I could ask for (like making her TV spawn algorithm better) but I'm very happy with how she is now.

There's an additional closing parenthesis in the title, your argument is invalid 😏

They need to improve the speed to get condemned it takes too long.

I think a nice buff that would make her better in chase without making her too good would be to allow her to "phase" through interactable points like windows, downed pallets, and breakable walls. Mechanically it'd be the same as a vault, though a bit faster than standard vault speed for killer. The drawback is that it would only be usable while demanifested. So you would need to manifest before you could hit a survivor, or you would need to demanifest before you approach the interactable point. Would require planning and game sense to know when to demanifest to take advantage of your phasing ability.

Sadako sucks now. They can just grab a tape and hold on to it and now condemned is a non issue for them.

Scott spund

I like how you tell us you won every game but you still want her to be stronger

I personally think they should at least delay the condemned from teleporting a little bit so that you can mindgame with it a little easier, because it is a dead giveaway that you teleported when a survivor gains a condemned stack

She's terrible, people cry about having to play against her condemn playstyle and now we have this. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. Easily shut down by people with experience.

anybody complaining about teleport spam needs to shut up and get good. That was the lowest skilled way of playing a killer in this game, equal to Skull Merchant 3 gen level. All these condemn Sadako's were purely abusing a mechanic rather than actually playing the game. Personally, I found her previous version to be the best for me based on how I play her and that is by using her teleport in chase. Sure, I use it for general navigation, but for the most part that's what I used those TVs for the most. I get why they changed her, I just think based on how most survivor players refuse to ever learn anything, they'll still complain about condemn 1000%. Was on Twitter yesterday, best believe they def are complaining about that mechanic STILL.

New New scu scu

I literally never know wtf Sadako is meant to do cause they keep changing it, and I never play the game so I can't gets hands on experience

She much better with the buffs I will agree but there still alot more they could do to make her prefectly strong. The main things I do like is 1)Tapes having no downside at all, 2) Survivors are given so much info about the tvs to the point it hurts her and 3) putting in a tape is way to fast. The fact tapes have no downside means survivors can take a tape and deny sadoko of so much with that one sec interact. Not only do they deny her comdem spread but also a tp spot with is I would say her strongest thing since she has really good map travel. 2) Survivors can see the auras of TV pretty much all the time meaning they never have to look for them and they get a heads up if a sadoko tp to them since the TV aura turns off with the tv when she comes out(this also makes on of her addons competely useless). On top of that in chase you cant really use you tp in chase against a good suvivor bc they can see where the tv is and if you tp to it they know where you be coming meaning that speed broost really doesnt mean anything. Final about point 3) survivors can do tapes in your face and there nothing you can do about it. Combine the fact you can only lock in 3 stacks per hook having someone early on put a tape in your face removes so much pressure you could had. Overall she nood stomper imo. She preform really well against new players who dont pick up tapes and just do gens but against a decent to really go team she be so bad because of those three points. A good team will deny her most powerful part of her kit, her tp, and deny her slowdown as well. In chase decent survivors will use the easy known knowlege of where all the tvs since the game is showing them and run away from them to areas where tvs are turned off meaning your speed boost out of tv is competely deny there as well. Even if survivor has decent amount of stacks and you find them traveling to their tv, they most likely get to that tv before you can down them and put the tp in with no risk since it only takes them one sec to pop that tape in and remove most of thier stacks. Then even if you down and hook them they may only have one or two stacks if any you will lock in. Overall she is better but there few things they need to do to her to make her strong. Give some risk to tapes like passive condem, either remove tv aura all together and only show the survivor the aura of the tv they need to put thier tape in or make it where if they holding a tape they cant see no other tv other than the one they need to go to, and finally make tapes be 2s again to put into a TV so you cant just do in her face risk free. Edit: I suggest ppl and scott to read some sadoko mains opinions on the fourms. Lot of them love this version of her but feel there things that would make her so much better. Also Scoot alot of sadoko main are happy slugging playstye is gone, they just have the some compains about the TVs and Tapes as I do. Here the link and i suggest looking up users radiantHero23 and MechWarrior3 forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/403722/the-onryo-feedback

Returned to the game after a long break, she was my main and now shes terrible and unfun, behaviour once again doing everything they can to ruin their own game

Sorry but I'm never playing against another Sadako again bc she can spam condemned. It's not fair and it's super annoying.

@taragnor

3 ай бұрын

Dude, go up to the TV and shut it off. Take a tape. She won't condemn you then. You only get condemned if you sit next to the TV while she keeps teleporting and do nothing. There is no drawback to picking up a tape.

@TheFrog27

3 ай бұрын

@taragnor I'll give her another try but if I can't avoid being hunted down then I'm not dealing w it sorry.

She’s still unhealthy for the game. People have gone back to the slug condemn play style.

@freezerounds

3 ай бұрын

People never stopped slugging with her. She had no incentive to waste time hooking with her previous iteration.

@HiHi-yk1mv

3 ай бұрын

@@freezerounds That’s not what I seen. Since you couldn’t teleport across almost instantly that wasn’t exactly possible anymore. It was less effective than her now being able to teleport without a cooldown.

@HiHi-yk1mv

3 ай бұрын

@@freezerounds Still going to be an issue regardless of the iterations they keep making for her. I like her now but still problematic regardless.

@freezerounds

3 ай бұрын

@@HiHi-yk1mv Teleport frequency had very little, if anything, to do with how effective it was to slug on her. Hooking people in her previous state was a waste of time because she got her kills from condemnation, not hooks. Furthermore, taking the time to hook gave survivors more time & opportunities to grab and deposit tapes (removing condemned). It was more efficient to leave people on the ground and continue spamming teleports to keep building condemnation, deny survivors televisions to grab tapes from, and contest survivors with tapes before they can deposit it. I went against it often.

I love Sadako bc I like killers who play the game a bit more strategically than mechanically. I'm still sad she isn't great. Def will be using bloody fingernails still. I still really wish they added a chase element to her power instead of doubling down on slowdown. For those wondering, my mains are hag, Sadako, plague, spirit, and (my only mechanical strength killer) nurse.

dead by daylight

Hens and otz on their way to ask bhvr to nerf her

sadako being able to demanifest and walk through pallets is a horrible idea that'd make her miserable to 1v1 especially with how easy it is to demanifest anyways, if u want an idea of how it would probably feel try to time a stun with her manifestation she needs an actual doctor-esque rework because she fails at both the macro and the micro game against above average players, her walking thru pallets is like nurse blinking through obstacles, thematically cool but lame in game

But not going for condemned kills means you’re not using her ability or her power…now she’s just a trash m1 killer

@melonplaiz5611

3 ай бұрын

Her kit is slowdown u don't need condeem kills for sadako to shine her slowdown is insane like I had a 30 minute match with her perk less and her chase not great but not horrible so why is she a trash m1 killer? She doesn't need kills from condeem to be effective

Nice, more survivor sided opinions from Scott. Are you paid by BHVR? Don’t dodge the question. Answer directly or we know you’re a liar.

@scrapinator8898

3 ай бұрын

??? bro he said that he wants oreo to be buffed did you even watch the video?