So I took out my copy of On the Origin of Species. I have a printing of the 6th edition from 1872. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record is actually the tenth chapter in that edition. If the original copy has it as the nineth, then that citation is still wrong in failing to specify the edition and actually citing the first edition in terms of the date given. It's not wrong purely on the merit of the chapter number.

@RenegadeScienceTeacher

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing that out! Mine is a first edition and it is chapter 9 for me.

@swagatochatterjee7104

2 жыл бұрын

Great they now don't know how to cite!

@shawn4888

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hello-vz1md A little hint, he doesn't make any good points in his videos.

@whatabouttheearth

2 жыл бұрын

Man's been dead since April 19, 1882 and they still attack him. As it says on his grave: "If you're having bird problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a finch ain't one"

@markshort9098

2 жыл бұрын

What an awesome book to have, I'm jealous

Attacking Darwin to refute evolution is like attacking the Wright Brothers to refute aerodynamics.

@shanewilson7994

2 жыл бұрын

We all know that if you can show the Wright Brothers were wrong on something, then the 787's will just all fall out of the air instantly.

@ForgedinPrint

Жыл бұрын

Man airplanes aren't real.....wait there are people who actually think that aren't there?

@Kickiusz

Жыл бұрын

@@shanewilson7994 obiously. According to those creationist-grade documentaries I watched so avidly as a child, a person can remain in the air as long as they believe they should. But the moment they notice that there is nothing to keep them from falling, they start to plummet, usually leaving a hole in the perfect shape of their silhouette on the ground.

@AlbertaGeek

Жыл бұрын

@@Kickiusz Yes, IIRC, that was proven true in repeated trials by Prof. Wile E. Coyote.

@Blackmuseops

Жыл бұрын

The Big Bang was theorised by a religious Christian. I guess it means we all actually follow the Christian god.....?

The Earth is 70% water, and virtually none of it is carbonated. Therefore, the Earth is absolutely, factually flat.

@davidsmith-uw2ci

2 жыл бұрын

Lol good one

@dudedumbdumb7712

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@michaelmoore7975

2 жыл бұрын

How distasteful.

@gabor6259

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the _surface_ of the Earth. What a piece of surface-level knowledge.

@geniuswithacapitalk

2 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of the argument between Patrick Starfish and SpongeBob on the ownership of the wallet 🤣

Quoting Darwin to "debunk" evolution is a very creationist thing to do. They have their sacred book, so obviously scientists must have their's.

@exiledkenkaneki701

Жыл бұрын

Trust me you guys don't even try to look up Muslims trying to " debunk" evolution because Darwin is like their dad they cite him like he's the only one who worked on evolution, 💀💀💀they are more cringy then Christians because they actually are quite more vocal in it then you think since debunking Muslims on evolution is rarely done so more and more are out there

@aaron2891

Жыл бұрын

That’s what my old homeschool textbook seemed to think! What is UP with Holy Book users, claiming that everyone else follows the same logic in their lives? It only represents ONE cultural context out of thousands!

@cyber_rachel7427

Жыл бұрын

@@aaron2891 because their Holy Book tells them that we actually believe in their God, deny his existence, and replace him with other things to worship To accept that we *don't* think like them, would require an answer as to why their book is wrong about that

@aaron2891

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, I already know that too well from having been one of them-when I read that textbook. I burn with hatred for their dishonest ways

@skulduggerypleasantt

Жыл бұрын

@@cyber_rachel7427 I mean technicaly your are worshipping stuff you just don't see it yet. although you never believe me god's will question on you everything you did about your life and you will see that you are technically worshipping stuff but until then keep enjoying your life. I am not a christian though because christianity's logic can be disproven so easily, I am just watching this video to gain more knowledge

The worst part is creationists use their ideas on children who lack the ability or permission to reject them.

@marknieuweboer8099

Жыл бұрын

Yup, in the course of the years I got convinced that teaching creacrap to children at least up to 12 years old is child abuse.

That was me tagging you in the tiktok. Means the world to me to have one of my personal heroes helping out! Keep doing awesome things Forrest!

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

Evolution Deniers still exist left and right and up and down. They’re everywhere in 2022. It’s wow. And on the same note: Facebook-Science (covered epicly by Sci Man Dan, so check him out if you like Forrest) is EVERYWHERE!

@shanewilson7994

2 жыл бұрын

great job on the tag

@fthomason93

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome

@kathrineprescott

2 жыл бұрын

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@MartTLS

2 жыл бұрын

Nice work Mikko well done .

Denouncing evolution because of Darwin is like denouncing all of math because the first guy that counted to 9 couldn’t solve a differential equation.

@Floppyseal11

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Vax-fg2ks

2 жыл бұрын

I see it sooo much. People keep bringing in Darwin. The man laid the foundation, he didn't build the house. Come on guys

@junodonatus4906

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vax-fg2ks That's because creationists think in terms of worship, they think that evolutionary biologists worship Darwin the way they worship a god. Therefore, to them, if you destroy the god the belief system falls apart.

@Vax-fg2ks

2 жыл бұрын

@@junodonatus4906 an interesting conclusion, and I feel like there might be some truth to that! If only they studied how science really works... it's so much more than just chasing facts

@sombodysdad

2 жыл бұрын

No one denounces evolution. It's the untestable nonsense of evolution by means of blind and mindless processes that is being challenged.

Reminder that you could disprove all of evolutionary theory today and it wouldn’t get you a millimeter closer to proving creationism.

@trashtrash2169

8 ай бұрын

Religous people do not care. They think kicking a pebble will somehow move the giant boulder placed next to it too.

@ceceroxy2227

7 ай бұрын

Sure it would

@acspicer

7 ай бұрын

@@ceceroxy2227 How?

@mirfielkeinnameein8496

6 ай бұрын

@@ceceroxy2227 how? theres absolute 0 proof thats even speaking for creationism

@Heracles_FE

5 ай бұрын

How do you disprove something that has not been proven? That is called the shifting the burden falacy .

Brilliant. My best friend is a biophysicist. One time, when a creationist troll at one of his lectures insisted during the Q&A that "evolution is just a theory," he responded, "you have it the wrong way around. Evolution is an established fact; it's the THEORY we're trying to nail down." Always enjoyed that little riposte.

@winstongrettum3412

Жыл бұрын

He lied

@clubpenguin13531

Жыл бұрын

@@winstongrettum3412 nah

@mattsadventureswithart5764

10 ай бұрын

I once saw a video where this came up, and the author said they responded with "Yes. So is gravity." Followed by dropping a piece of paper. It stuck in my mind for a much later date. At this much later date, I was having a chat with an acquaintance in the school car park as we waited for our kids to finish school (he was one of the few other Dads who did the school run - most people doing that were the Mums or Grannies). How things got onto evolution I'm unsure, but it may well have been him saying something about humans not being designed for x,y,z (because he is very deep in creationism), and me responding saying it was more that we didn't evolve that way. He told me that evolution was only a theory, so I pulled my keys out of my pocket and dropped them, then said "So's gravity." Had I come up with it on my own, I would have been very proud of myself. As it sstans, I could only be very amused and pleased that I remembered the video well enough to do it.

I was raised Christian and conservative, went to church and a Christian school, etc. I was taught since before I could walk that evolution was completely fake and creationism was the only option. I'm only now, as an adult, learning pretty much anything about evolution. It's... embarrassing, honestly. I appreciate you explaining things so simply, because I feel like I'm missing years of knowledge I was supposed to be taught.

@themortician3186

2 жыл бұрын

I really feel for people who were raised religious. I feel like that's the kind of thing kids should be able to choose as they're growing up.

@cathykrueger4899

Жыл бұрын

@@themortician3186 choose what?

@themortician3186

Жыл бұрын

@@cathykrueger4899 Whether or not they want to be a part of a religion

@Ixiink

Жыл бұрын

I’m so proud of you for learning for yourself!! You rock 🎉 keep learning 😊

@quinn799

Жыл бұрын

Same. I missed out on my education. But we’re catching up!

It's gratifying to see that creationist arguments haven't changed in 50 years

@alvaronavarro4895

2 жыл бұрын

500*

@mayday343

2 жыл бұрын

Their sources don’t ever improve

@Dragosmom.

2 жыл бұрын

@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264 evolution:religion math:philosophy

@Drghost1235

2 жыл бұрын

@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264 Says the guy who called evolution a religion. As people keep saying, it is a theory, they never claimed to be a religion, and as Forrest previously said, the reason why it changes is because we keep finding new things. This is why we don't say 'There has always only been one creature, ect', because science is being curious about the world.

@lunanthestoryteller1074

2 жыл бұрын

@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264 If science never changed, if people don't admit that they are wrong and improve upon their theories and laws and ideas, if we just stick to something and adhere to it no matter if it correct or not. Then you wouldn't have a phone, or a tv, or a computer, or antibiotics, or surgery procedures, or cars, or working plummery, or light bulbs, or machinery that harvests fields, or modern printers, and a long etc. Science is a way to find truth, it can be through experimentation but also through collaboration of scientists of multiple fields giving their feedback on scientific papers. Some of that feedback shows flaws on those scientific papers and other scientists learn from that and enbodies the new evidence so that they can work on something that actually works. If you criticize the scientific process because it's always changing, then maybe you can't trust light bulbs because Thomad Edison was once wrong about how to make one.

Its interesting that they're holding evolution up to this ridiculous standard where there can be absolutely no gaps in the record in order for it to be true. Yet they don't seem to hold creationism or the bible to anywhere near the same standard.

@ReiperX

2 жыл бұрын

That's because that would take intellectual honesty, and these guys are very clear in their own video that they aren't interested in intellectual honesty, or the multiple reply videos they made to this video

@Jay-uc8rm

Жыл бұрын

Preach! Is was the same about the vaccine…despite 1 million things in their lives that are flawed or slightly imperfect, the vaccine on the other hand had to be 100% effective or it wasn’t worth taking.

@undrwatropium3724

10 ай бұрын

They don't hold their Bible to any standards at all. The word "kill" appears 146 times in the Revised Standard Version of The Bible. It appears 118 times in the King James Version. It appears 218 times in the Douay-Rheims Version.

@nikkiofthevalley

8 ай бұрын

​@@undrwatropium3724That might be in any context for any one of those individual words. Just counting how many times a word appears doesn't give you the contexts in which it appears in. The fact that they don't have intellectual honesty doesn't mean we have do the same.

@ethanmiller3200

6 ай бұрын

@@nikkiofthevalley I think what they’re trying to say is that each translation is different and that some are worse than others.

Love how they bashed Darwin and the dinosaur-to-bird evolution. Darwin is the one that suggested that bird wings appeared to be fused dinosaur-like fingers/claws. He postulated the fossil record should show a bird-like reptile with unfused wing-fingers. Lo and behold, archaeopteryx discovered a few years later exactly matching Darwin's prediction

That moment when Darwin himself responds to and disproves a 21st century creationist nearly 200 years before they even make their arguments against him... gosh Scientists are such badasses sometimes.

@Rime_in_Retrograde

Жыл бұрын

Well, to be fair, creationists probably haven't changed their arguments in the past 100+ years. It appears that, not believing in evolution, they themselves see no reason to evolve.

@Spectrik

Жыл бұрын

@@Rime_in_Retrograde the ironic tragedy of willful ignorance

@sjl197

Жыл бұрын

@@Rime_in_Retrograde ... to be even fairer, creationists haven’t changed their arguments in about 2500 years since the Torah was developed supposedly during the second temple period

@think_of_a_storyboard3635

Жыл бұрын

@@Rime_in_Retrograde their arguments haven't changed in 100+ years because their beliefs and their evidence and what they know never changes either.

@Rime_in_Retrograde

Жыл бұрын

@@think_of_a_storyboard3635 I think most of them eventually conceded that the Earth revolves around the sun... so, progress? Then again, there are those flat Earthers that think we live under a dome and that the sun moves above it, so...

I love how you can turn 4 minutes of creationism into 33 minutes of interesting science talk

@davidsmith-uw2ci

2 жыл бұрын

Funny and entertaining too

@fleshanthos

2 жыл бұрын

"Creatardism"; let's be accurate.

@davidsmith-uw2ci

2 жыл бұрын

@@fleshanthos yes accuracy is very important ;)

@theokaygatsby228

2 жыл бұрын

@@fleshanthos I’m not trying to be mean and I’m sure you meant well but combining a word with the r-slur to show that it’s stupid is kind of weird…

@fleshanthos

2 жыл бұрын

@@theokaygatsby228 I'm not trying to be mean. I am being accurate. The French word "en retard" means "late"; it was used to describe late mental development; which itself is generous; because usually there is NO further development than an arrested child-level stage. That is ENTIRELY accurate in terms of the religious; their mental development about understanding reality is ARRESTED at a Kindergarten level; believing in magic fantasy beings. It is called a 'portmanteau' (yet another French term appropriated by English) to combine two words to combine their meanings. Hence, the ACCURACY.

About the whole “we don’t follow people we follow evidence” it’s exactly why you hear people say “I love your work”

Coincidentally I'm a computer programmer tasked with writing a document (happily, it only has to make sense when read forwards), and instead of doing that for the past couple of hours I've been watched your videos. For the performance that's starts around 13:00 the fact that I'm now going to have to pull an all-nighter to catch up on what I was supposed to be doing became incredibly worth it.

@exhumus

Жыл бұрын

Aaaaand another big win at 23:00

@dryfox11

5 ай бұрын

Oh great, a programmer. Have you ever had the argument of “DNA is just genetic code, and therefore had to be written by a designer” thrown at you? xD

@exhumus

5 ай бұрын

@@dryfox11 Yep.

@pammer12345

3 ай бұрын

Omg I did the same thing I was supposed to be writer a paper on indigenous culture 😂

@exhumus

3 ай бұрын

@@pammer12345 It's funny that you reply to this post after over a year, at a time I'm in the aftermath of yet another all nighter from work. Except this time I watched my Forrest video strictly during a break. Good luck with you paper.

I recently discovered your channel. As someone who grew up a Christian and was told evolution is false, I was saturated in these "debunking evolution" videos as a child. Now, as a biology student with healthy doses of religious trauma, your Reacteria series has helped me break down the oppressing walls I was raised in and practice critical thinking. These videos are incredibly therapeutic and cathartic. Thank you

@shanewilson7994

2 жыл бұрын

They really are great for that, and congratulations on moving away from the indoctrination.

@dyliamvonkillsu

Жыл бұрын

Hey man, its ok to have been indoctrinated into cringe. Critical thinking doesn't develope till a person developes it. Trust me, I was raised mormon, and didnt question much till I had other stuff going on in High School

@danminer5343

11 ай бұрын

So tell me how any organism could live before it was complete with an entire DNA required to build every part and system. Science has now proven that each kind of organism had to originate 100% complete. We find zero mistakes in the design of any organism and with no randomness and nothing just 'cobbled together". All 100% perfect design.

@lechatroux4106

8 ай бұрын

​@@danminer5343wtf are you talking about? We did find "mistakes" (such as the eyes on human lol)... I'm not gonna talk about the history of evolution because i didn't study it completely yet but i do know some pretty good bases and i do know that what you're saying is so wrong lmao Your arguments just show lack of knowledge in what you're talking about... Btw, the "formation" of DNA is chemical reactions.

@danminer5343

8 ай бұрын

@@lechatroux4106 Instead of studying the parts of the body, through ignorance evolutionists predicted that there were over 100 mistakes in the human body, but now every one of those predictions have been proven false.l The human eye is complete perfection, proven now by expert scientists. In fact, every prediction make by evolutionists have now been proven false. Through many years of research we now know that there is NO honest scientific statement in the world that is used to promote the STORY of Evolution. The story of evolution has never been able to explain anything which is why evolutionists use only lies and deception, which gullible people such as you willingly swallow eagerly. Scientists are not the ones who believe in the story of evolution, but it is only the evolutionists who want to pretend that there is no God nor absolute morals.

Just discovered Forrest Valkai. Knowledgeable, helpful, entertaining. I like.

@winstongrettum3412

Жыл бұрын

You forgot arrogant and willfully stupid.

This episode is glorious, between the terrifyingly accurate depiction of an anti-vaxxer, then the unhinged rant about the programmer guy freaking sent me

@axolotiator2505

4 ай бұрын

😢🎉

LMAO my wife actually came downstairs to my office to check on me because I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair at the "mother, I have seen the gaze of god and touched the beard of ODIN!!!!" bit. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

@paulgemme6056

2 жыл бұрын

This man doing these videos doesn't know God/Jesus Christ and has no wisdom and no understanding of the things the really matter (spiritual life). Don't believe him. Jesus Christ is the creator of all things. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

@tsev1000

Жыл бұрын

@@paulgemme6056 i'd recommend proving the accuracy and modern day relevance of the bible before using it as an argument

@randolphphillips3104

Жыл бұрын

@@paulgemme6056 First, nobody was arguing the creation of life (evolution is about the diversity). Second, even your own bybull doesn't say Jesus created all things. Finally, try learning about the subject you are arguing about, give evidence (actual evidence, not "for the bible told me so"), provide a testable hypothesis, allow others to actually test it, then either accept your hypothesis needs adjustment or collect you Nobel Prize. Until then your argument here is just an ad hominem and invalid.

@paulgemme6056

Жыл бұрын

@@randolphphillips3104 Jesus Christ is the King of Glory! Yes, he did create all things. Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

@OmniphonProductions

Жыл бұрын

​@@paulgemme6056 Question: Regarding the, "...things which are not seen," how do you determine the difference between unseen things that are _real_ and unseen things that are _imaginary?_ Every religion in recorded history discusses, "...things which are not seen," but I suspect you would consider _their_ unseen things to be imaginary, and they would say the same about _your_ unseen things. Beyond, "The Bible says so," (Logical Fallacy: Begging the Question), by what _objective_ criteria can one determine who is correct?

"I am gonna try and prove creation by misquoting biology to disprove evolution cause I cannot prove creation" End of story.

@Intergalatikk

2 жыл бұрын

That’s creationism is a nutshell. I am going to borrow your statement..

@marknieuweboer8099

2 жыл бұрын

Good summary.

@rowleyj31

2 жыл бұрын

@@Intergalatikk by all means!

@ReasonsforHope

2 жыл бұрын

Here is our response to this video. There is so much to Debunk we had to do it in parts. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2ylltiOc8XPlqg.html

@TheRenofox

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought the Bible said something about giving false testimony, yet quote mining and flat-out lying seem to be the bread and butter of any Christian apologist.

"Individual rights, do your own research, Joe Rogan..." I lost it. Great work as always, Forest! Cheers!

To anyone who wonders how 4 minutes of creationism is turned into 30 minutes of science: These 4 minutes of creationism are not full arguments disproving evolution, it's a rapid-fire of open questions designed to confuse people and make them untrusting of science. These 4 minutes are so tightly packed with cr*p that needs a lot of explanation that it takes 30 minutes for Forrest to deal with it.

@shanewilson7994

Жыл бұрын

Yup, basically a gish gallop in order to just ask a ton of questions hoping that a couple aren't answered.

@Finckelstein

6 ай бұрын

It's just Brandolini's Law in action.

@ethanmiller3200

6 ай бұрын

@@shanewilson7994 Yep, a classic and time-honored creationist debate tactic.

@user-kv2xy8rf3g

4 ай бұрын

@hilbushok is on fire with reasonably fine articulations.

@user-kv2xy8rf3g

4 ай бұрын

​@@shanewilson7994I am becoming more and more enlightening in regard to evolution. What a time in my life on Earth 🥳

Interesting question about "why did the artist portray them as more human-like?", Mister Creationist. Question for you now: Why do you suppose artists depict your messiah, who would have been a brown-skinned middle-eastern man, as white, blonde-haired, and blue-eyed?

@bariumselenided5152

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, yeah. Real brain bender, that one is

@fermintenava5911

2 жыл бұрын

Ouch. That's a burn.

@sledzeppelin

2 жыл бұрын

@@JD-wu5pf Sorry, light golden brown. And are you kidding? That’s how he’s ALWAYS portrayed. Long light hair, light skin, light eyes.

@cosmic-dreams-

2 жыл бұрын

Oh this is actually super funny. The picture of Jesus all know is a portrait of Leonardo da Vinci's lover 😂

@tomobedlam297

2 жыл бұрын

@@sledzeppelin Waldemar Januszczak has a brilliant video on KZread showing how artistic renderings of Jesus "evolved" through the centuries, starting out as a youthful clean shaven "Apollo" in Roman times to a more fatherly, bearded, 'Zeus" depiction of him in the Enlightenment era.

This is BY FAR my favourite episode of reacteria. Not only did you COMPLETELY destroy all his arguments, but I was laughing almost the entire time! Especially the whole skit about Seegert realising he should write about evolution. Amazing

@Hecarim420

2 жыл бұрын

I've been watching a lot of science stuff (across the spectrum and comedy) in recent years but he got me with that one xD

@praiselordh7139

2 жыл бұрын

"MOTHER, MOTHER, I HAVE TOUCHED THE BEARD OF ODIN" fucking killed me

@ReasonsforHope

2 жыл бұрын

Here is our response to this video. There is so much to Debunk we had to do it in parts. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2ylltiOc8XPlqg.html

@ancapftw9113

2 жыл бұрын

Powerleveling your Runescape account is no joke.

19:30 as an aspiring paleoartist and an obsessed dino-nerd it is so painfully obvious what they were trying to say but these creationists say interpreted it in the weirdest way possible. What they were trying to communicate was that we don’t know if these exact species were part of the line of descent, it is far more likely that they were more like aunts or uncles rather than the direct ancestor, but it is impossible to prove that they definitely were or were not the direct ancestor, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t helpful or don’t prove the evolution of birds from early dinosaurs, for exampl you can still get a lot of information from a person by studying their aunts or uncles even though they aren’t their parents.

the whole rant impression of his supposed revelatory inspiration while coding had me laughing harder than I have in years

@Jakkgusa

Жыл бұрын

I'm just here like What if we did run all the code backwards? What would happen? I'm sure we get something completely different than running it forwards

@immaTraitor

Жыл бұрын

@@Jakkgusa probably so. the example the comes to mind is nature's right and left handedness. theres these compounds, I cant remember exactly what. but they're the same basically. same elements, and same arrangement. except they're mirror images. and one is a spice while the other is a poison

@Jakkgusa

Жыл бұрын

@@immaTraitor dude nature is metal as hell

Speaking as a professional geologist, I can say without a doubt that, Yes, the geological record is incomplete. That is due to the incredibly changing nature of geological deposits and the forces that act upon them to either change, remove or redeposit them. I can think of very few places where there exists a complete, or relatively complete, geological record. And even then, this record would only apply to the area in which it is located! But even after all of that, the amount of fossil evidence that exists despite the incompleteness of the geological record is truly astounding. Even if you just count the "real" fossils and not the trace fossils that exist in almost every strata of sedimentary rock, there is a staggering amount of evidence out there. These yutzes need to actual pull their noses out of their bibles and actually look at the world around them for a change.

@shanewilson7994

2 жыл бұрын

Not a geologist, but yeah I agree. The amount of fossils that we do have is amazing for how rare fossil formation, survival, discovery is.

@mito88

2 жыл бұрын

is the grand canyon an example of a place where a complete record exists?

@safarimike2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@mito88 The Grand Canyon has one of the most complete rock records for the area, yes.

@user-fb2jb3gz1d

2 жыл бұрын

Dawkins claims that humans and chimpanzees come from a common ancestor from orangutans. Ok, sounds logical. Where is that common ancestor though? I believe in a god. I can't prove it. Therefore you don't believe me. Dawkins believes this common ancestor existed. He can't prove it. Therefore, I don't believe him. I'm not saying I'm right. Im just saying suggestive evidence is not absolute proof. That is common sense

@jakesmith5278

Жыл бұрын

Oh they all do, but sadly they only see the "trees". You know, look at the trees argument.

I decided to support you on Patreon after hearing how little TikTok pays. You deserve it, your videos are so well researched and the energy and fun you bring to the game is simply unparalleled.

@heartyunho0716

2 жыл бұрын

Did you also watch Hank Green's video right before this one?

@JanStrojil

2 жыл бұрын

@@heartyunho0716 I did.

@easyybreezeyy

2 жыл бұрын

This should be top comment.

@justaway6901

2 жыл бұрын

KZread, despite the issues, is a much better platform

@marktrosien3005

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm going to support it too, been a subscriber for a while, but this video convinced me. I too want to touch the beard of Odin! Motthhhherrrrr!?!?!

Ray Comforts argument that evolution couldn’t have occurred because we’ve never found a “change of kind” makes me want to pull my eyes from my sockets

@spatrk6634

Жыл бұрын

that is most clever lie they make. makes people who dont know what evolution is "hey thats right" in majority of cases, when creationists ask you to provide proof for evolution, the thing they are asking you to present as evidence for evolution, would actually disprove evolution. thats how "well" they understand evolution

@dryfox11

5 ай бұрын

I’m still waiting for them to define “kind” xD

This video was actually played in my AP Biology class one time! I talked with my teacher afterwards about it and he genuinely did not know that it was creationist propaganda and he never showed a related video like that in class ever again once I brought it to his attention, but it’s still scary how deceptive these videos can be sometimes.

For the record, the dustjacket on Jerry Coyne's book says the following: "The jacket depicts a chronological sequence of fossils showing the evolution of birds. We do not know whether the actual line of descent included the first three species, but the origin of modern birds almost certainly involved a sequence very much like this one." Then it lists the names, dates, and locations of the three fossils, as well as the modern bird. You can see this on the Open Library copy of the book.

@RenegadeScienceTeacher

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the info! Looks like I won my bet in the video!

@PabloSanchez-qu6ib

2 жыл бұрын

@@RenegadeScienceTeacher good, have a diplodocus thigh bone shaped cookie. (Yes, my cookies are rather dry and hard)

@korbendallas5318

2 жыл бұрын

I think this is just the usual caveat because we can't be sure that these particular individuals reproduced before they were fossiilzed. It might have been their brother, or their cousin.

@PabloSanchez-qu6ib

2 жыл бұрын

@@korbendallas5318 more than that, it could have been a concurrent species with the same lineage.

@tanyanguyen3704

2 жыл бұрын

@@PabloSanchez-qu6ib the example i think of is cats, felines. In some future earth cats will have evolved into several new species. A biologist 1,000,000 years from now sees that their modern animal has retractable claws, and a rubber spine, dispite the new set of extra ears they developed. But was the actual ancestor the house cat? An african wild cat? A lynx?

I love the pure chaos in this episode Not only their arguments being chaotically awful, but your energy this episode was just so entertaining and informative

@ReasonsforHope

2 жыл бұрын

Here is our response to this video. There is so much to Debunk we had to do it in parts. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2ylltiOc8XPlqg.html

As someone who grew up learning only creationism, this series has helped me grasp science on a much better level just by hearing a rational person respond to the arguments. I have no doubt that these people know better, but the majority of people who listen to them genuinely don't know better. Even having not believed in creationism for years, I find the logical leaps creeping into my thought processes still. Thank you for your work. ❤

Your impersonation of an anti-vaxer was the best ever. You covered all the hypocricy in 30 seconds. Just get somone to make a cartoon for the voice and we are talking VIRAL.Great job.

*These people:* "overly simplified demonstrations prove that you're liars" Also them: when a mommy and a daddy love each other VERY much

@DragonNexus

2 жыл бұрын

Says a lot that even the simplified version is too much for them to grasp

@singularity925

2 жыл бұрын

@@DragonNexus The type of people who would believe 2 + 2 = FISH if the bible said so.

@99temporal

2 жыл бұрын

@@singularity925 to be honest, 4 is just a symbol we created to represent the concept of four things... if you wished to create a collection of symbols where the thing after 3 and before 5 is represented by the collections of the letters F I S H written sequentially, you could

Pausing to say this before watching. I “LOVE,” you for standing up to their judgmental bullshit. People should be LAUDED for reaching out for the view point and response from those they respect. Nobody knows everything. No you don’t have to “fight your own battles,” if you know someone more educated on a subject than you.

@eleSDSU

2 жыл бұрын

That's what society is supposed, we are not alone and don't need to fight alone against anything, alas...

@writeonshell

2 жыл бұрын

Dontcha know, you're only supposed to appeal to authority if that authority is the bible /s

@bariumselenided5152

2 жыл бұрын

Felt like it had the tone of a kid doing something wrong trying to intimidate onlookers not to tattletale

@MagiRemmie

2 жыл бұрын

Especially if you're not an expert. Just because you understand something doesn't mean you know it well enough to explain it to someone. I wonder why they don't understand that? Like I am sure we all understand these topics but who could realistically explain it in depth to someone? Not I, so we go to experts.

@conundrum60690

2 жыл бұрын

@@MagiRemmie Especially when that someone actually opposes your views. Heck you could be an expert but just not have any debate skills. You can easily be made to seem a fool in that situation.

Here's the full quote from the inner jacket of the Coyne book: "The jacket depicts a chronological sequence of fossils showing the evolution of birds. We do not know whether the actual line of descent included the first three species, but the origin of modern birds almost certainly involved a sequence very much like this one. The sequence shows, top to bottom: Coelophysis bauri from the Late Triassic, 225 million years ago, from New Mexico, USA; Compsognathus longipes from the Late Jurassic, 152 million years ago, from southern France; Jeholornis prima from the Lower Cretaceous, 140 million years ago, from Liaoning, China; Ardea herodias, the great blue heron, common today in North America and the Caribbean." Another lying Creationist exposed again. Great work Forrest!

You just about killed me with your "beard of Odian" solliloquey - my hats off to you sir! 🤣

It drives me crazy how many religious people see intellectual honesty, the ability to admit when there is a gap in your idea, or when you were wrong, or simply that you don't know a thing yet, as a negative. To me that's why I care what science says. Because it's humble enough to never claim things that it cannot demonstrate, and always will to completely change it's view if new evidence becomes available.

@davidsmith-uw2ci

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely and scientists that cant admit they are wrong and think they are right despite contrary evidence (there are a few) they are not real scientist's like that Egyptologist something hawass still thinks his timeline for the sphynx is right even though they found water erosion on the bottom of it or something making it later or earlier i 4got but hawass timeline was wrong and when they found coblecki tepi (or however u spell it lol) timeline for egypt goes back farther he is dogmatic in his science like the other fake scientists sorry so long

@przemog88

2 жыл бұрын

​@@davidsmith-uw2ci What gobekli tepe has to do with ancient Egypt? And you know that there are evidence that Sphinx is as old as egyptologists claim, right?

@mathias3721

2 жыл бұрын

@@przemog88 I think he's referring to the guy that says the Sphinx is a different age than the consensus among his peers, and despite being proven wrong continues to spread his bs

@peppermintgal4302

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidsmith-uw2ci How do you know its not wind erosion lol

@MoonChildMedia

2 жыл бұрын

I guess that didn't apply during the last 2 years.

Before I became a highschool teacher, I studied biology. I am really fascinated by evolution and anthropology! I really love the way you explain this subject and how you use the examples and arguments presented to you to show how fascinating science can be! THANK YOU!

@BjerkeRobin

2 жыл бұрын

And thank you! Teachers are some of the most important people in society. Especially good ones. You have my undying respect and gratitude.

@agustinfranco0

2 жыл бұрын

you should check the videos about evolution by the channel "stated clearly"

@danminer5343

2 жыл бұрын

It is a criminal act to teach and to promote the story of evolution because it is impossible to teach it without lying.i Us scientists can show the fraud and deception in 100% of every sentence used to promote that ancient myth. Scientists today have quit believing that quackery and are forming creation organizations that prove that evolution is impossible and they use known science to do so.

Forrest, you’re a gem! I love all of your videos! You remind me of my calculus professor, Dr Lenier. I sat through his class and felt I had a mind meld going on between us. I absorbed everything he said. I’ll never forget a take home test he gave us. Most people were happy they were given a take home test thinking it would be easy. But I spent the next week going to 7 different libraries (yeah, those ancient places) but I was able to construct answers to all of the problems. I blew the curve out of his testing criteria. I made a 100 on the test, the only one. Most people scored 40-50. Btw, Dr Lenier was in his first year at the University of Houston. His previous year was teaching 10th grade in a high school. I’ve always admired him for his intelligence abd ability to explain calculus so brilliantly. He reminds me of you 😀. All the best Forrest and keep the wonderful videos coming! Take care…

The "Foghorn Leghorn Rant" will go down in history (my personal history) as possibly the greatest tirade on KZread. So perfect.

Yes. There are legions of people out there literally denying medicine and science in favor of essential oils, lemon rinds, etc. It is infuriating.

@singularity925

2 жыл бұрын

the worst part is how much damage they are doing. There are some benefits for some of these things but by puffing up the importance and adding false benefits it ruins what they are actually good for. No way in hell my essential oils are gonna cure my cold but the pleasant smells help with my mental help. They don't care about finding alternatives or fixing issues, they only want to fight science and medicine. My oils do smell really nice. Makes me feel like I'm in a forest by a stream when I'm sleeping. They smell more natural than stuff like Febreze. Why on earth would someone need to say these oils cure anything when they already has things going for them. "Hey this movie is really good!" "Yeah and it also helps us lose weight!" like wtf

@mathias3721

2 жыл бұрын

@@singularity925 Exactly, a lot of these things should be used alongside medicine, rather than replace medicine.

@singularity925

2 жыл бұрын

@@mathias3721 fun fact. Some hospitals still use leeches. They've been proven to have use in medicine. My mom works at a hospital and they use leeches.

@michaelgoldstein8516

2 жыл бұрын

@@singularity925 Yes. There are some benefits to them. Peppermint oil has been shown to be effective at preventing chemo-associated nausea, but it was essentially in a nebulizer form. Lavender has been shown to help with anxiety. But lavender isn't curing anyone's generalized anxiety disorder, and you shouldn't be foregoing actual efficacious antiemetics for peppermint.

@genuinedickies99

2 жыл бұрын

I am all about natural remedies. They gained a reputation for a reason. Now, that being said, shoving a crystal up your nose will not cure cancer. There is nothing that cannot be improved. Denying ages of wisdom in natural remedies is as ignorant as denying advancements of modern medicine. Both have their pros snd cons.

Creationism is just as embarrassingly dumb as flat earth.

@loveableheathen7441

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed 😂

@Johnboy33545

2 жыл бұрын

They're frequently shared delusions.

@kenanbroersma709

2 жыл бұрын

Evolutionism isn't that good

@loveableheathen7441

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenanbroersma709 "evolutionism" isn't a thing. People who believe in evolution aren't following a dogma, unlike creationists.

@Johnboy33545

2 жыл бұрын

@@loveableheathen7441: I don't believe in Evolution, I accept it as a Scientific Theory backed by evidence from all major branches of Science. "Evolutionism" isn't even a recognized word and like micro and macro lurks between stupid and ignorant. Rock on, Heathens.

Forrest just subscribed, dig your the way you go about explaining difficult subjects Appreciate you and Matt on sane posts.

Great entertainment. What I love about what Forrest is doing with these review videos is that the people who have watched them can now see the other side of it. It does alot of good Forrest and it’s fun to watch!

@23:30 "MOTHER, MOTHER, I HAVE AWAKENED, I HAVE GAZED BEYOND THE WALLS OF TIME AND TOUCHED THE BEARD OF ODIN" Gotta get that on a shirt! Also "Humans are animals, we are too big to be bacteria and we move too much to be plants...just sayin'"

I finally got around to actually reading On the Origin of Species recently. I was honestly amazed at how thoroughly Darwin addressed potential arguments against the idea. So much so that most of these counter arguments can be and are just used as-is today. So many of these creationist mined quotes of Darwin supposedly showing doubt in his own idea are literally just him steel-manning these ideas before completely addressing them.

@ReiperX

2 жыл бұрын

Well yeah, the people who tend to use those same arguments haven't actually read the book.

@sombodysdad

2 жыл бұрын

What? Darwin just wrote a story. He didn't have any clue.

@ReiperX

2 жыл бұрын

@@sombodysdad He had a pretty good understanding of how some of it worked. He got parts wrong, but where it came to natural selection, he was pretty much spot on.

@clydeallen120

2 жыл бұрын

Ther is no proof. If man came from monkeys then where is the millions of reminds that would prove it? We have nothing!! It's easy to debunk this bullshit

@MattBenicFlintZA

2 жыл бұрын

@@sombodysdad he had significantly more than “a story”. He laid out the hypothesis in great detail, provided significant evidence to support it, steelmanned some of the strongest arguments against it and demonstrated why they were invalid. He got some parts wrong because he just didn’t have as much data as we do today, but the overall idea was correct and an amazing insight. If you think he had just “a story” you should read both the book and modern works detailing the additional evidence we have today.

It makes me really grateful that there are people like you who do this, so thank you. While I do enjoy in depth conversations, even heated ones on all sorts of topics, once I’m I faced with outright dishonesty and purposeful manipulation of facts I just get pissed off. It makes it damn near impossible to respect the person enough to want to get the point across. I do realize that you’re doing it for the benefit of a much wider and hopefully receptive audience but I would go mad trying to go through the ‘source material’ in order to debunk it. So thank you for having such a high tolerance for idiocy and such a passion for science, knowledge and teaching.

And *EVEN IF* evolution isn't true, doesn't mean god. You still have to prove your god.

23:00 I love you for this! Also, as a Software dev, it baffles me how anyone in the comp sci field can think DNA is like any form of "computer code" to such a degree.

@tony-te7gd

2 жыл бұрын

IKR, and even if it were, it is perfectly possible to have a type of code that can have a meaning both ways, as at the end of the day it all depends on the interpretation you create. Most common encodings wont have this because there is no reason for it, and it isnt practical, but it isnt entirely impossible if you think about it.

@Kaeresh

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony-te7gd Not just entirely possible, people in programming have used similar systems before, even in binary! Like the tape in a Turing machine. The problem is the argument that dude made relies entirely on an order of operation and interpretation as strict and rigid as his world views seem to be. Consider a simple queue buffer that passes messages. Certain workers can pick up different sections of the original message that is buffered onto the queue completely out of order, then based on the segment the worker picked up, do work and perhaps set or unset (new) flags. Those flags may then control a different flow in future messages. The context in which the message is interpreted as well as the segments that potentially preceded or succeeded it are relevant. Just like in natural language! E.g.: "Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana". Is it easy to setup? No, but if you have millions of generations/iterations to try stuff out, you'll eventually stumble across a solution. Sorry I realised I'm ranting at this Seegert fellow by now. But I hope I made my point.

@franciscodetonne4797

2 жыл бұрын

That software engineer seems to me, is an example of "for someone with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail".

@nati0598

2 жыл бұрын

@@HQbaracuda Especially when using esoteric languages, like Brainf@ck, Whitespace or even Piet. Making programs while having such a limited amount of instructions is much easier than having to control the instruction flow, since the code is written with letters that depends on the context and not preprogrammed modules.

@nunyabisnass1141

2 жыл бұрын

Superficial similarities. Ppl like say Meyers, willfully misrepresent information theory and cherry pick specific definitions of information, then pervert layman perceptions of dna to fit the cherry picked definition of information as if there is only one of each. Iys very much a "well blood ius red, applkes are red, therefore apples are made of blood, or blood is made of apples..."

That was the most heartfelt and genuine recognition of EVERYONE who watches you. I have been a patreon member about a month. You are one of three that I support and that thank you “even for people who can’t afford it” just reinforces what a great decision it was to choose you. Thanks so much your passion and exuberance is infectious. Keep up the good work.

@charlesroberts-moses6074

2 жыл бұрын

Which other people are you supporting?

@ReasonsforHope

2 жыл бұрын

Here is our response to this video. There is so much to Debunk we had to do it in parts. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2ylltiOc8XPlqg.html

@MeganVictoriaKearns

8 ай бұрын

I am happy to have found this enthusiastic and well educated science communicator's channel, but I am a bit upset I'm 2 years and change "late to the party" if you will. I'm still going through older content to catch up, so I don't know 100% that I'll choose to give my support via patreon just yet (although it's looking promising!) I see your comment is over a year old and I doubt you'll ever see this late reply, but I just liked the things you said about this man and I (so far!) find myself agreeing very much with your summation of what are, to me, wonderful traits in a content creator that I find extremely worthy of my support. And wish were more prevalent on KZread in general, but in the science education corner most specifically. Anyway, hello 👋 like-minded stranger! ❤ --- Megan V. Kearns, Elder Millennial Ohio, USA 🇺🇸 😊

Another example of how being an expert in one field doesnt say anything about your level of understanding in any other field

@aw7145

Жыл бұрын

Honestly! I studied literature and political science (aka ~liberal arts~) in college and I had to take the same amount of biology or geology classes as my friends who were studying compsci or engineering haha. Being an expert in one scientific field doesn't make you an expert in all science!

I showed my (super religious and anti-evolution) mom and her only reaction is “I don’t like him” lol 😂

@fourtynine49

2 жыл бұрын

pop off!! i wish i could do the same :,)

@paulgemme6056

2 жыл бұрын

This man doing these videos doesn't know God/Jesus Christ and has no wisdom and no understanding of the things the really matter (spiritual life). Don't believe him. Jesus Christ is the creator of all things. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

@Alessandro-B

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, she doesn't like him because he destroys her faith and preconceptions. Therefore, shoot the messenger, not the message.

@paulgemme6056

Жыл бұрын

@@Alessandro-B The true message only comes from the one who is the way, the truth and the life. The life giver and sustainer. Jesus Christ. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. "Blessed are they who have not seen yet believe" -Jesus Christ

@Christobanistan

Жыл бұрын

@@paulgemme6056 Every second you waste in service of your sky fairy is a precious second you'll never get back. When you die, you're going in the ground, worm food, just like all your friends, all your relatives. That's it. Sorry dude.

Forrest, it really says a lot about you that the pinned comment here is someone correcting an error that you had in the video. It shows your intellectual honesty.

@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264

2 жыл бұрын

Honesty? He claims evolution is a fact even though no evidence supports it.

@ozzyjames87

2 жыл бұрын

Bearing false witness is the modus operandi of creationists despite it being forbidden by the supposedly infailable word of your god. Proverbs 19:9 - A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

@winstongrettum3412

Жыл бұрын

@@ozzyjames87 Valkri is in real trouble then.

@rogersmith6744

Жыл бұрын

@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264 I know that I'd be wasting my time actually trying to debate you, since I'm entirely certain you're not actually interested in the truth. So instead, I'm just going to put down the names of a few articles about experiments in which scientists have actually seen evolution happening in real time. 'Scientists Have Witnessed a Single-Celled Algae Evolve Into a Multicellular Organism' 'Evolutionary resurrection of flagellar motility via rewiring of the nitrogen regulation system' 'Evolution: Watching Speciation Occur'

@rogersmith6744

Жыл бұрын

@@winstongrettum3412 And yet, numerous fraudulent faith healers and preachers who have made false predictions are just fine

The world needs you Forrest. Thank you for doing what you do.

That Steve Martin bit made me burst out laughing

The funniest thing Creationists say is "this one dude said" as if it makes any point. You can really feel that this comes from their "but the bible says" rhetoric.

@LathosZan

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this

@edwarddongres7866

2 жыл бұрын

How about the creationists who don't know the bible? How do you "feel" now?

@Drghost1235

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwarddongres7866 look back on 'this one dude said', using a strawman doesn't prove any form without learning from the mistakes of it and moving on. After all, isn't that what we're taught, to learn and move forward?

@edwarddongres7866

2 жыл бұрын

@@Drghost1235 I may possibly agree. But I'm not sure what you just said.

@Drghost1235

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwarddongres7866 to put this in _easier_ terms, even if they don't know about said bible (unlikely), they learn it from the people around them.

That guy, even though having practically no argument, was right on one thing : “the fossil record doesn’t prove evolution”, it just strongly corroborates it. I know that’s an oversimplification, but even without fossiles we’d know that evolution exists.

@shanewilson7994

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, that's something that they can't seem to understand. While the fossil record really does offer good evidence, its far from the best evidence.

@ReasonsforHope

2 жыл бұрын

Here is our response to this video. There is so much to Debunk we had to do it in parts. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2ylltiOc8XPlqg.html

@davidlanger3295

2 жыл бұрын

True. You could throw out Charles Darwin’s contribution to Evolution and more modern scientific disciplines would fill in the gap of evolutionary knowledge and do a better job of it

@thekwjiboo

Жыл бұрын

No one thing proves evolution. It's a conglomeration of data from a whole bunch of different sciences. That's why I hate when an anti-evolutionist says "give me your 3 best proofs for evolution". That's like telling someone what your favorite poem is and they tell you to pick your 3 favorite words.

@viktorbirkeland6520

5 ай бұрын

​@@thekwjiboo tell me your 3 favorite words in all of Shakespeares work

Man, I have to tell you Forrest, youre the Robin Williams, of explaining scientific fields to the public ! Apart from your specialties, your ability to explain without saying um ah or another space filler all the time and youre extremely clear and your explanations are very simple and understandable ! Your productions rock ! Im glad I found your channel through Matt Dillahunty ! Great stuff bud, Im looking forward to your shows for the foreseeable future !

Thank ypu so much for not editing out the 'Forrest over the edge' segments 🖖💚

As a professional programmer I think I can say that just because just because a computer science degree has the word science in it does not in the slightest make you an actual scientist.

@thefaboo

2 жыл бұрын

Cue my favorite Dijkstra quote: "As a result, the topic became -primarily in the USA- prematurely known as "computer science" -which, actually is like referring to surgery as "knife science"- and it was firmly implanted in people's minds that computing science is about machines and their peripheral equipment. Quod non."

@granthurlburt4062

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Computuer engineer might be better

@martinmckee5333

2 жыл бұрын

@@granthurlburt4062 Point taken. But my own interest through school was more in the areas of algorithmic complexity, language design, and computability. It would more rightly be classified as mathematics than science, but certainly not engineering. It is, indeed, unfortunate that the term is used so widely. When I tell people I have a computer science degree, they always assume that I can develop a website, or do IT. Part of that is misunderstandings of the general public. A greater part - I believe - is confusing terms.

It is 2022 and here we are, still having to make videos explaining why evolution is indeed fact. I doubt you'll see this but this is my first time running into your channel and I absolutely love your energy! I watched a lot of different channels on evolution vs. creationism mostly in high school and none of them were as entertaining and light-hearted as you! I appreciate what you do and I can't wait to see more of your stuff as time goes on!

@jrskp3677

2 жыл бұрын

It'll be around a long time at this point. Like a vestigial appendage, dragging behind our species like a turd with worms still attached to the anus.

@Christobanistan

Жыл бұрын

At least this channel isn't fighting flat earthers. That's how you lose faith in humanity.

@jrskp3677

Жыл бұрын

@@Christobanistan I couldn't imagine what George Carlin would say about this subject. I however expect it would be hilarious 😆😂.

@Christobanistan

Жыл бұрын

@@251rmartin I wish they were trolls. My brother's friend's wife is a flerf. It's too close.

OK...40 years ago I finished my degree in Human Biology. Unfortunately my career path ended up not using my degree to a large "degree". I also realize that the science in all fields has multiplied exponentially since then. So basically I remember nothing and have learned very little new science. BUT I'm sure basic concepts I will pick up easily as I have been through some things in detail before. But Forrest has just lit a fire under me. I've watched a couple of videos and I realize he is my re-entry to science. Thank you.

I love that you pointed out Darwin's rhetorical style, his way of framing objections before getting into his evidence. This was the rhetorical style of writing at the time. It just goes to prove that we need more critical thinking and historical reading classes, Academics didn't write the way they do now and even now there are definitely different styles among the disciplines.

That’s exactly why I left religion! Cause every time I look up for the information it was misinterpreted or deliberately dishonest! And I had to choose between being honest even though that would mean I had to deny my faith ! Or deny reality and keep going with a lie ! But I heard some said one time “ if you have to lie to defend your truth, it was not truth to begin with “

@tekcomputers

2 жыл бұрын

It's how it goes, they treat the science argument much like they treat the bible.

@rcnfo1197

2 жыл бұрын

Kudos to you for following what is True, rather than the "truth" that was handed down to you. It reminds me why Richard Dawkins keeps arguing against religion. "Because I care about what is true." I love your quote, too. That's a keeper!

@ReasonsforHope

2 жыл бұрын

Here is our response to this video. There is so much to Debunk we had to do it in parts. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2ylltiOc8XPlqg.html

@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264

2 жыл бұрын

You didn’t leave religion. You just went to a dumber religion(evolution).

As soon as I saw this was a *33 minute* video debunking a *4 minute* video, I knew I was going to learn some cool new shit!

I've been enjoying your videos today... Just found your channel. Funny coincidence...on tonight's Jeopardy, show "Piltdown Man" (which I had never heard of before today) was one of the questions. I believe you mentioned they didn't know who perpetrated the hoax, but Wiki claims it was Charles Dawson. Anyway, loving your channel. Thank you!

Awesome. Clicked "Like" during the epiphany meltdown reenactment.

Fantastic work as always. It’s always frustrating seeing people argue against evolution despite the mountains upon mountains of evidence by pointing at one mistake made by one human being and saying that it is all invalid. It’s also frustrating seeing them misinterpret information and warping that misinterpreted evidence as proof for their misguided views. It’s very satisfying seeing you dig into these poorly made, fallacy riddled arguments and doing twice as much researching to prove them wrong. Keep doing what you’re doing

@andystokes8702

2 жыл бұрын

The only people who argue against evolution are those who don't understand it. If they understood evolution they would not be creationists.

@jackthebassman1

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystokes8702 Sadly, their parents and pastors got to them first.

@jackthebassman1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lifesizemortal Ignorant and proud of it.

@BjerkeRobin

2 жыл бұрын

That's always the problem with misinformation. It takes 10x more effort to debunk the misinformation than it takes to spread it. 😥 People like Forrest are saints

@theotherscientist

2 жыл бұрын

That's the whole point of the movie Dogma (Kevin Smith). If the two angels would manage to proove god wrong in even the tiniest detail, reality would cease to exist. They don't get that science does (should) not have any dogmas.

The feeling of happiness I feel to be able to help someone who I think provides a valuable resource is surreal. Take my money, goddammit! This shit is gold!

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

Evolution Deniers still exist left and right and up and down. They’re everywhere in 2022. It’s wow. And on the same note: Facebook-Science (covered epicly by Sci Man Dan, so check him out if you like Forrest) is EVERYWHERE!

@dreugh424

2 жыл бұрын

@@slevinchannel7589 Facebook science? That's silly. This isn't even Facebook. How do you refer to a video that wasn't hosted on Facebook as "Facebook science"? Sorry, but despite Facebook being an absolute haven for misinformation, the only false science I've seen there is creationism.

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreugh424 I didnt. You just heavily misunderstood my rather simple comment.

@dreugh424

2 жыл бұрын

@@slevinchannel7589 Sorry lol, I just woke up and words didn't correlate properly in my head. I get you now lmao

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreugh424 Ok. Good. No harm done.

I love having a conversation with someone who doesn't " believe " the theory of evolution. They invariably list all the objections that you read from " on the origin of the species " , and then act as if...checkmate evolutionist. I always ask " so you've read Darwin's book ? " When they ask why I would assume such a thing, I tell then that they may not be aware of it but those are all the objections that Darwin himself raised about his own theory. I tell them that people who don't actually know anything about evolution, but are sure that it's wrong, always bring up these points. They usually heard them from a pastor or an apologist who is also unaware that uninformed folks have repeating the same lame arguments ( that actually come from Darwin ) for over 150 years.

Please tell the creationist that I’ve programmed computers _three_ _times_ longer than he has and that does not qualify me to understand evolution more than him. But the evidence says he’s wrong and that’s good enough for me.

@Henrik_Holst

2 жыл бұрын

Same here (aprox 37 years programming computers) and I would also like to point out that it's quite possible to write code that works both forwards and backwards and does different things so he is even wrong when it comes to computer code.

This is the BEST channel. I don't think I see anyone else go and look things up like this... and it is sooo satisfying to watch.

@DracoJ

2 жыл бұрын

Some other similar channels are Sir Sic and professor stick.

13:36 i feel extremely attacked here while im smoking, eating a bigmac and drinking a mtn dew....

Amazing video - I've just subscribed to your brilliant science channel. Thank you so much, Forrest. Best to you and your family - Alice.

I am reminded of an old joke about transitional forms. Scientists find new fossil that perfectly slots between two other fossils in a particular evolutionary line (forgive imperfect terminology), dating is right, it's a beautiful fit. Creationists say, "New gap found in fossil record."

@Fishbiene

2 жыл бұрын

reminds me of that clip from futurama

@otherbats

2 жыл бұрын

I love your profile picture

@paulgemme6056

2 жыл бұрын

This man doing these videos doesn't know God/Jesus Christ and has no wisdom and no understanding of the things the really matter (spiritual life). Don't believe him. Jesus Christ is the creator of all things. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

@granthurlburt4062

Жыл бұрын

Two new gaps!

@OrdinaryEXP

Жыл бұрын

@@granthurlburt4062 Bigger than the gap God lives in!

I think one of my favorite things about your videos is how you go directly to the sources and show how much they're taking out of context. It's such a vital part of critical thinking, and you demonstrate it well. I also want a clip of just that anti-vax bit to share/react with online.

The Foghorn leg horn accent rant was dead one and absolutely made me lol! You're so awesome Forrest

Him roasting the shit outta antivaxers is my favorite part

Wow... so within the first minute, they demonstrate that they're part of the problem, legitimately. No, I am not a biologist. I don't know everything about biology, and never will because I have dedicated my time to something else. As such, I trust the scientific consensus and in a shock to no one, it supports biological evolution.

@nagranoth_

2 жыл бұрын

well, scientists who dedicate their entire life to biology don't know everything about biology either (it's kind of a huge field), so... 😄

@rickkwitkoski1976

2 жыл бұрын

@@nagranoth_ and @Thoron Neto And PLEASE UNDERSTAND that "scientific consensus" does NOT mean the scientists!!!! The consensus is about the DATA! The EVIDENCE is in consensus with other evidence. And Stefan... WHAT is YOUR specialty? Broadly! Betcha YOU don't know everything about THAT either. No one can know everything about any particular subject. So don't even go there.

@tarri16

2 жыл бұрын

@@nagranoth_ yeah I was going to say I have a degree in biology but I don’t know much about non-plants/genetics because those were my focus. They don’t seem to understand that a biologist or scientist knows all the things.

@BjerkeRobin

2 жыл бұрын

Wait... you mean.... people who dedicate their entire professional lives to attaining deep, nuanced and thorough knowledge about a given subject actually.... KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT?! *click, click, clickclick* "yes hello? Hold the press, I got something big here!" ;) ❤ It's astounding to me how many people fail to appreciate this. Particularly when it comes to climatology (Norway is a very secular country, but we do like our oil. Climate deniers are our religious fundamentalists).

@BjerkeRobin

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickkwitkoski1976 I don't think he was going there dude... 🤔

I want to emphasize that there's nothing wrong with calling for help from other people to understand something. For most people, this evolution stuff just isn't important. Interesting, perhaps (and hopefully), but it's not going to change their everyday life whatsoever. It's enough to know that, if you have a question, there's someone you can ask who understands it who can explain it to you. No one knows everything, and that's okay. I agree, it's remarkably shitty to try to shame someone for asking for help.

@shanewilson7994

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. If someone is asking me questions about orbital mechanics, I'm going to ask a friend of mine who studies it in depth. Especially if someone is trying to debunk gravity or something and asks a few questions I'm not 100% sure on (like when a flat earther asked why noon isn't the middle of the night six months from now if the earth rotates 360 degrees in a day, that's because I didn't know the difference between a sidereal day and the other day that my brain just blanked on. I asked, and I learned.

@paulgemme6056

2 жыл бұрын

@@shanewilson7994 This man doing these videos doesn't know God/Jesus Christ and has no wisdom and no understanding of the things the really matter (spiritual life). Don't believe him. Jesus Christ is the creator of all things. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

@shanewilson7994

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulgemme6056 unless you can show actual good evidence that god is real, then quoting the Bible isn't any more profound than quoting Harry Potter to me. In fact, there are far better quotes in Harry Potter, the Dresden Files, or Star Wars than anything in the Bible.

@paulgemme6056

2 жыл бұрын

@@shanewilson7994 That's because of unbelief. Unbelief will do that. Keep one from knowing the truth. What is truth? Glad you asked. Truth is the fact that we have all sinned. Truth is the fact that there is only one who has the power/authority to pardon us of our guiltiness. Jesus Christ died in your place and in mine to forgive sin (wrong doing) so that we might believe and live spiritually. The gift of God/Jesus is eternal life (to know him). That's what living spiritually means, knowing our Creator/Maker and loving him because he first loved us. Unbelief keeps one from knowing Him (God/Jesus Christ). No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. So sad.

@shanewilson7994

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulgemme6056 You don't know how to have a conversation do you. Perhaps you should learn to do that, it will make you not be such a terrible example of a Christian.

"Mother! I have awakened! I have gazed beyond the walls of time and touched the beard of Odin!" I'm glad this made you laugh as much as I did.

😂😂😂 The beard of odin skit was great

@taylorthetunafish5737

Жыл бұрын

I eat bees.

As someone who's been a programmer for over 30 years, I suspect maybe Jay wasn't ever a very good programmer. DNA is not like a user manual for building living things. DNA is a domain-specific language. It's entirely possible to design a language such that a program could have meaning forwards and backwards, but that doesn't mean any arbitrary set of symbols makes a valid program forwards and backwards.

@giftedfox4748

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many of those 14 years he did any programming. Maybe HTML or just C++ instead of using Java or Python. But he does talk a lot about I-phones so maybe he was thrown into that restricted mess of how it should be and got bored with the app creation. Most likely one of his friends said "hey, you're a smart guy. Want to help me overthrow evolution?"

@zar3434

2 жыл бұрын

@@giftedfox4748 Hey, you can write bad code in any language. I tried googling him to see if his name appeared on any source code (nope, so no open source) and I didn't get any hits on LinkedIn. It's always possible he was working on his own on the "next killer app".

@martinmckee5333

2 жыл бұрын

@Fk Yu That got me too. Been using C++ since '96 and Java since the early 2000s. Programming C++ well has always taken a better programmer. While C++ was the inspiration for Java, there's been lots of cool cross pollination between languages in the past couple of decades. I haven't worked with Java for years, but Python and C++ have grown to be much better languages in that time.

@jasonOfTheHills

2 жыл бұрын

@@giftedfox4748 Sorry, had to downvote for listing "HTML" along with languages (but the L literally means "language" brah! -insert eye roll-). Then throwing out "just C++". Um, yah...Give me two applicants for a job: one has written Java for 20 years, one who has written C++ for 10. I'll take the C++ guy every time, even if the position is for primarily writing Java. If you write C++ code, you know how to program. You probably also have PTSD from dereferencing pointers and building strings out of char arrays, but again, I'll take that PTSD because that guy knows what a register is and there are plenty of "professional" Java programmers that are right now Googling "register".

@Miju001

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the comment about DNA left me baffled. The only reason why some sentences don't mean anything in any language is that we decide what sentences we can and can't interpret. DNA can always be interpreted

It's really frustrating that all the arguments these people make against evolution are based on either quotes taken out of context from people who have dedicated incredible amounts of time to studying evolution, or the fact that we had, at one point, not entirely been sure about what we were talking about and made mistakes. Mistakes that we later corrected or explained. Personally i feel like this can be dangerous. Sure, right now we point and laugh, but what happens if they get more traction. What happens if science becomes taboo. Also "MOTHER! I HAVE AWAKENED!"

@purpleemerald5299

2 жыл бұрын

If they manage to get more traction and science somehow becomes taboo, we as a species will deserve whatever shitstorm ensues.

@rdizzy1

2 жыл бұрын

What will inevitably happen here in the US is that we will end up locked in a christian theocracy, coming soon whenever the next republican president is elected, and when they also have a majority in congress. SCOTUS already backs up religious law as well, so challenging the laws they will pass will be irrelevant.

Okay… I admit I'm getting hooked on this series. Thank you so much for your content!

Foghorn Leghorn is my new favorite character. “In this particular, politicized context, those odds trouble me greatly”

23:23 This needs to become a meme. Any time an insane person tells you the "truth" this should be the response

I subscribed because you bellowed "...AND I TOUCHED THE BEARD OF ODIN!!!" Well done, sir.

The fossil hunters over the last several decades have been discovering new species right along. The remarkable thing about relatively recent finds is how frequently they plug right into gaps in already suspected lines of development, like the interesting series of fish-to-tetrapods around 350 million years ago, the feathered-to-flying theropod line, etc...& our own surprisingly diverse hominid family tree. It can be honestly said that there are fewer missing links today than there were when Dr. Leakey explored Olduvai Gorge.

Thank you again. I learn so much

The monologue at 23:00!!! I wasn't ready and spilled coffee down my shirt laughing everyone at work is looking at me, but I don't care. Thank you for this :D

I'm glad I found your channel. While I've been atheist for a while now. It was a long journey getting there. Just as so many others, I've seen and heard all the same apologetic "arguments" that never go away. Because it's kinda hard to have any new arguments when they have no evidence to begin with. So, even though the things they say are nothing new, and I've heard many of the responses you give before too. You just articulate your arguments so well. Concise, understandable, humorous, while having the scientific data to back it all up. Well done and keep it going! :)

@kristenl2367

2 жыл бұрын

My story is similar to yours. My parents are Christian and raised my sister and I as such. After learning more about evolution in a senior biology class, and an Anthropology, Sociology and Psychology class I learned there was much more substantial evidence than I realized. My sister was on the same page and announced herself as atheist. When my parents were aware of our doubts, they scrambled to find apologetics, books and videos to quench our questions. Some were better than others but weren't satisfying. I'm so glad I stumbled across this channel. Forrest is so well researched, fun, and articulate, it helped me solidify my beliefs and be able to explain myself to others.

@BjerkeRobin

2 жыл бұрын

@@kristenl2367 it's interesting that. Often I will be met with an argument (usually in my case against anthropogenic climate change) or a 'paper', and will usually immediately have a sense of hownit is fallacious, but as a layperson it is not always easy to pinpoint why. This is one of the reasons why communicators like Forrest are such a precious resource.

@icycooldrink6085

2 жыл бұрын

@@BjerkeRobin Are people still arguing against anthropogenic climate change? I haven't seen that in the wild for quite some time now.

@Stratosarge

2 жыл бұрын

@@icycooldrink6085 They still very much are. And most of them do it dishonestly. Whenever there is discussion about politics around the issue, those denialists pop up because they know they can get votes from their base.

@BjerkeRobin

2 жыл бұрын

@@icycooldrink6085 sadly, norway is a hotbed for climate science "scepticism". It largely stems for the undeniably monumental impact the petroleum has had on the norwegian standard of life. Our wealth and welfare state is a direct result of how the norwegian government set up their oil and gas policies in the 70's. So. Certain generations shall we say have a rather higher cognitive inertia when it comes to the fact that what they see as the golden goose that drew us out of poverty after WW2 is in fact causing potentially catastrophic harm, and needs to be phased out... 🤷‍♂️ Just like evolution deniers, they feel the science threatens their very identities. The underlying psychology is very similar I think.

25:36 that graph is also great because of how clumped stuff is. In the chunks where there are little to no fossils was probably due to the environment not being suited for fossil development. To little rainfall, an abundance of scavengers, or just a general lack of tectonic activity that would result in fossils implying a higher level of academic honesty

Hello :) just stumbled upon oyur channel and gotta say: I love it. You do great videos (at least the 3 I've seen so far^^) and you are super sympathic. Thanks for the work you do.

14:02 "Something something, individual rights, do your own research, Joe Rogan." That's how you can summarize 2021, and probably how 2022 will turn out.

As a person who spent with more than 14 years in software development, I can tell you, with absolute certainty, not everyone in software development actually put much thought into what they are doing. They just try to get something to work, not necessarily to work well, with low cpu cycles or low memory impact, that holds especially true with modern software short of a decent architect.